Our Ignorance of Religion-especially Islam: Where are the roots of this Ignorance?



Judging from the rhetoric from political and religious leaders on the topic of the clash of Islamic ideologies with the Western Judeo-Christian ideologies I have come to the conclusion that somewhere along the line, Western as well as Islamic educators have gone slightly amiss. I therefore attempted to find some articles on this topic but there was nothing to satisfy what I was looking for. So I will attempt to compose something that would make sense. (29.12.2015)

I will begin by posting some of the comments made by important people and will develop my thoughts from there.

David Cameron: Prime Minister of Great Britain

Cameron laments the “poisonous radical narrative that is turning so many young minds,” and says, “We have to combat it with everything we have.”

He says this terrorism is “not in the name of Islam. Islam is a religion of peace.” The killers, rather, “do it in the name of a twisted, perverted ideology.”


Brief Comments on Cameron:

Cameron keeps repeating that Islam is a religion of Peace. I wonder where it ever got that idea. Islam means submission and not Peace. Salaam means peace be on you but has nothing to do with the word “Islam.”

Terrorists followed the example of their prophet Muhammad, which was no twisted or perverted ideology:

“The Prophet Muhammad boasted, “I have been made victorious with terror”. [Bukhari: 4.52.220]

It shows Cameron’s total ignorance of the works of Islam. I suspect that Cameron’s knowledge of Islam is mostly from hearsay.


Majority of 38 Tunisia Jihad Attack Victims are Britons: UK PM Cameron, “Islam is a religion of peace.”
ByPAMELA GELLER on June 27, 2015
“Our brother, the soldier of the Caliphate, Abu Yahya al Qayrawani, reached his target the Imperial hotel despite the security measures,” the statement said. It said he had attacked a “bordel” and killed 40 “infidels”.

The UK Prime Minister Cameron said, today’s jihad attacks are “not in the name of Islam. Islam is a religion of peace.”

– See more at: http://pamelageller.com/2015/06/majority-of-tunisia-islamic-terror-attacks-victims-are-britons-uk-pm-cameron-islam-is-a-religion-of-peace.html/#sthash.EtuYwCmA.dpuf

Brief Comments on Tunisian attacks on infidels:

There is without a doubt that the Tunisian attack was an attack on infidels as approved and sanctioned by Allah in the Quran. This fact stands out throughout the whole Quran and there is no excuse for not knowing it. But Cameron does not seem to know what Islamic ideology is about.

Barrack Obama

Obama says the West is not at war with Islam
US president urged Muslim communities, including scholars and clerics, to push back on twisted interpretations of Islam.
20 Feb 2015 07:19 GMT

US President Barack Obama has reiterated his call for the world “to stand up to violent extremism”, saying that violent groups peddle a lie that there is a clash of civilisations.

Obama said on Thursday that there was a complicated history between the Middle East and the West and no one should be immune from criticism over specific policies.

“But the notion that the West is at war with Islam is an ugly lie,” he said. “And all of us, regardless of our faith, have a responsibility to reject it,” he told a three-day conference at a White House summit on so-called violent extremism.

US programme seeks to fight ISIL on social media
“Muslim communities, including scholars and clerics, therefore have a responsibility to push back not just on twisted interpretations of Islam, but also on the lie that we are somehow engaged in a clash of civilisations,” the US president said.

Obama said that the US will continue the fight against al-Qaeda and its affiliates in Afghanistan, Yemen and Somalia a day after he said that those fighting for ISIL and al-Qaeda were not religious leaders, but “terrorists”.

“We are united against scourge of violent extremism and terrorism. As we speak, ISIL is terrorising people of Syria and Iraq, involved in wanton murder of children, enslavement and rape of women and beheading of hostages,” he said.

In his speech, Obama pledged that “in Iraq and Syria, our coalition of some 60 nations, including Arab nations, will not relent in our mission to degrade and ultimately destroy ISIL”, referring to the Islamic State of Iraq and Levant by its acronym.

Obama asked Middle Eastern countries to stop actions that he claimed have stoked the rise of ISIL, al-Qaeda and others.

Fighting between Sunnis and Shia “will only end when major powers address their differences through dialogue and not through proxy wars”, he said.

Syria and Iraq blamed

Obama blamed the governments of Syria and Iraq for the emergence of ISIL.

“In Iraq, the failure of the previous government to govern in an inclusive manner helped to pave the way for ISIL’s gains there,” he said.

Inside Story: Will training moderate Syrian rebels work against ISIL?
In Syria, Bashar al-Assad’s “war against his own people and deliberate stoking of sectarian tensions help to fuel the rise of ISIL”, he said.

During the summit’s closing session at the State Department, Obama urged delegate to “confront the warped ideology” espoused by armed groups.

“These terrorists are desperate for legitimacy and all us have a responsibility to refute the notion that groups like ISIL somehow represent Islam, because that is a falsehood that embraces the terrorist narrative,” Obama said.

He urged Arab countries in particular to take steps to quell sectarian violence and boost economic and educational opportunities for young people susceptible to recruitment by armed groups.

Obama also announced the creation of a joint digital monitoring centre with the UAE.


Brief Comments on Obama

ISIL is an Islamic Caliphate complying with all the codes of conduct according to the Quran and Islamic Governance i.e., ISIL represent Islam and it is not a twisted version of Islam but represents a fundamental aspect of Islam. Fighting ISIL is equivalent to fighting fundamentalist Islam, there is not question of it being otherwise. Clever rhetoric will not absolve him that he is fighting fundamentalist Islam, but lying about it.

Angella Merkel

Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:10pm EST Related: WORLD, GERMANY
Merkel says Islam ‘belongs to Germany’ ahead of Dresden rally

German Chancellor Angela Merkel said on Monday Islam “belongs to Germany”, in a clear repudiation of anti-immigration protesters gathering in Dresden and other cities.

A day after walking arm-in-arm with French President Francois Hollande at the front of a massive march in Paris to honor the victims of killings by Islamic militants, Merkel received the Turkish prime minister and urged dialogue among religions.

The conservative chancellor pointed to comments made by former German president Christian Wulff, who said in 2010 that Islam was part of Germany, triggering a fierce debate.

“Former president Wulff said Islam belongs to Germany. That is true. I also hold this opinion,” Merkel said at a news conference with Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, who also took part with other world leaders in the Paris march on Sunday.

She was speaking hours before marches by a movement dubbed PEGIDA, or Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamisation of the West, were due to begin in several German cities.

Such demonstrations, launched in Dresden, have been dwarfed by counter-protests. Merkel has said PEGIDA’s rallies are organized by people with “hatred in their hearts”.

Merkel said her government was doing everything it could to ensure migrants were being successfully integrated into German society regardless of their religion.

Nearly two in three of the four million Muslims in Germany are of Turkish origin. Roughly half are German citizens.

But Merkel acknowledged the need for better dialogue between religions, praising Muslims for publicly rejecting the use of violence after the Paris killings and calling Turkey an ally in the fight against terrorism.

She and Davutoglu announced that their governments would begin regular German-Turkish consultations, a format in which the cabinets meet once a year and which is reserved for some of Berlin’s closest allies, like Israel and France.

Merkel and other German politicians are due to take part in a solemn vigil at the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin on Tuesday. Muslim organizations called the event to remember the victims of last week’s Islamist militant assaults on the French satirical journal Charlie Hebdo and a kosher supermarket in Paris.

Davutoglu said it was important to fight all forms of Islamophobia in Germany. Speaking later in Berlin, Davutoglu said that if Turkey was accepted in future as a European Union member it would send a powerful message of how Muslims and Christians could live together in peace in Europe.

“If Turkey as a secular and moderate country is not accepted into the EU because of cultural prejudice, that will give a negative message to European people,” he said.

(Reporting by Andreas Rinke; Writing by Noah Barkin; Editing by Mark Heinrich)


Brief Comments on Merkel

The fact that Merkel has welcomed all Muslim refugees into Germany and to declare that Islam is part of Germany, shows how ignorant Merkel is of the ideology of Islam, a Totalitarian Supremacist Ideology which is even more vicious and ruthless than Nazism ever was.

Pope Francis

Dialogue between religions essential, says pope on first day of African visit

Bridging divisions between Muslims and Christians is main theme of pontiff’s three-nation tour of continent


Pope Francis has called on Christians and Muslims to engage in a dialogue of peace in the face of religious radicalisation and “barbarous” attacks, as he began the first full day of his three-nation trip to Africa.

The pope met a small group of faith leaders in Nairobi before a public open-air mass, attended by around 300,000 people in the pouring rain and amid tight security.

Religion could never be used to justify violence, the pope told Christian, Muslim, Sikh, Hindu and Jewish representatives. “All too often, young people are being radicalised in the name of religion to sow discord and fear and to tear at the very fabric of society,” he said.

“How important it is that we be seen as prophets of peace, peacemakers who invite others to live in peace, harmony and mutual respect.”

Francis’s message of religious tolerance will resonate in Kenya, where there have been three major attacks in the past two years by the Somalia-based Muslim extremist organisation al-Shabaab. In April more than 150 students – most of them Christians – at Garissa University, close to the Somali border, were killed. A month earlier 12 people died in al-Shabaab attacks in Mandera county, and in September 2013 at least 67 people died in an attack on the Westgate shopping mall in Nairobi.

The pope referred to all three episodes, saying he understood that memories were still fresh in people’s minds.


Brief Comments on Pope Francis

Pope Francis is either being very stupid or very naive. As head of the Catholic Church he should know that in the past 1400 years of attempts to compromise with Islam, there has never been one single instance that Islam has ever conceded anything to the Christian requests. Thus this sort of rhetoric is simply hollow Papal rhetoric and he knows it. This totally discredits him.

I am sure too that he is fully aware of Pope Benedict XVI’s views:

“Now Pope Benedict XVI has let it be known that he does not believe Islam can reform.”

Brief comments on all the above

It is clear that all of the above dignitaries are ignorant of Islam in one respect or other. This clearly implies that all the above world leaders were ill-informed about Islam. So it clearly cries out loud that the Western educational system, over many generations have left her people totally ignorant of Islam and possibly of their own Christian religion as well. Because the same cannot be said of the Muslim educational system, since most Muslims have clearly learned their obligations to Allah, and can recite pages and pages of the Quran from memory and know their duties as Muslims and also know the characteristics of their enemies and infidels well. So let us study some of the traits of Western religious education. Has the Western educational system failed in disseminating religious education to their pupils over the generations?

School RE classes are failing to teach children about Christianity

  • Education Editor, Richard Garner  – Saturday 5 June 2010

Schools are failing to teach pupils about Christian beliefs in religious education lessons, inspectors said today.

Too often they focus on Jesus’s parables to explore pupils’ personal feelings and principles, but ignore any religious significance they may have.

The report, by the education watchdog Ofsted, said standards of teaching in the subject are falling. Christianity is a core part of the compulsory course and is taught alongside other major world faiths, including Judaism, Islam and Hinduism.

Compared with a survey carried out three years ago, the number of lessons classified as inadequate in secondary schools has doubled.

The figures show the quality of teaching to be inadequate in nearly a fifth of lessons over a three-year period. In the past year, though, this had risen to one in three. Inspectors visited a total of 183 primary and secondary schools in 70 authorities to compile the report. They singled out the way Christianity is taught for particular criticism. “Primary schools were often uncertain whether Christian material should be investigated in its own right as part of an understanding of the religion – or whether it should be used to consider moral and social themes outside of the context of the religion,” it said.

In one example given, a primary school used the story of the healing of the blind man to get pupils to try to understand what it would feel like to be blind rather than to gain any understanding of miracles.

“In many cases, the study of Jesus focused on an unsystematic collection of information about his life, with limited reference to his theological significance within the [Christian] faith,” the report said.

However, it added that schools are making progress in teaching about comparative religions, which helps to promote a more harmonious society. But they are neglecting the study of humanism, despite a directive that they should include it on the syllabus. Some local authorities failed to include non-religious beliefs altogether, despite clear guidelines.

The report also highlighted the increasing use of non-specialist teachers to take RE lessons, resulting in a tendency to focus on their own subjects in topic work – ignoring RE.

In one school which was failing to get 30 per cent of its pupils to obtain five A* to C grade passes at GCSE, the short course in RE was dropped altogether to make more time available to boost performance in the core subjects. Ofsted urged the Government to review the way RE is taught in schools.

The chief schools inspector, Christine Gilbert, said: “All young people should have the opportunity to learn about religion, as well as learning from religion. This requires good teaching based on strong subject knowledge and clarity about the purposes of religious education.”

Dr Stephen Parker of the University of Worcester said: “The real problem is not having enough qualified RE teachers. You need to have a sophisticated understanding of the subject to be able to properly convey it to pupils.”


Brief Comments on Religious Education

The failure of religious education is:

“The real problem is not having enough qualified RE teachers. You need to have a sophisticated understanding of the subject to be able to properly convey it to pupils.”

How many of the above mentioned dignitaries have ever been taught about Islam, or Hinduism, or Taoism or Judaism in their religious education? I belong to an even older generation, and I certainly had no idea of any other religions during my whole education, let alone my own Christian religion. Even with my own religion, what was I exposed to? The concentration was on stories from the Gospels and about the life of Jesus. But nothing was ever mentioned of whether Jesus was a mythical figure or a person of history, but only reinforcements of the legends in the New Testament. There was never revelation of any of the 700 verses of Biblical Intolerance (that I only learned about only recently), or of Judaic Intolerance or of Islamic intolerance and the hatred between these different religious beliefs.

So what we were taught of Christianity was not even the fundamental Christian doctrines, but a dressed down, benign, love thy neighbour as thyself, version of Christianity. We were never taught of the irreconcilable difference of ideology that could never be bridged between the three abrahamic faiths. We were only fed half truths, even lies, of the beauty of religion but  never shown its ugly head of hate,  cruelty and total intolerance.

I never knew or heard of all of the 700 verses of Biblical Intolerance before.  https://wordpress.com/post/mbplee.wordpress.com/2602  because much of what I believed was Jesus was love and forgiveness and tolerance, not intolerance. How many Christians, including those dignitaries above were aware of the power of the 700 verses of Biblical intolerances. If they, like me, were not aware and conscious of it, did we really know our Christianity? If we were not knowledgeable of such detail  n our own faiths, Christianity, would we even know the intolerances in Islam or Judaism? NEVER! I will bet that most of them will still say, “Islam is a religion of Peace.” IT IS NOT. Islam means submission totally to the will of Allah. If Cameron does not even know that, how can he even speak authoritatively about Islam? From the rhetoric of all the above dignitaries, none of them know much except possibly hearsay about Islam. Yet they are leaders of our communities our nations, our total Spiritual lives. How very pathetic!

Those were the half truths and lies we were fed over generations, without knowing much about Islam or Judaism or Hinduism. Is there any wonder that our leaders who were fed the same set of lies by our clergy and school teachers, who were actually totally unqualified on the subject, have turned out to be such ignorant people of other religions and faiths?    We barely know the truth of our own Christian faith. Our Popes, and Archbishops, and religious clergy have been duping us with half-truths and lies over generations and they owe us all an apology. Our clergy have spent their life time of studies in order to be able to make their lies as realistic as possible so that it is believable by the gullible.

On the other hand, Islam although practicing Taqiyya against the infidel are straight and direct with their believers. Where an infidel is an infidel, and there is no political correctness about it.

Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”  No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

Quran (3:56) – “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”


Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”.  This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be ‘joining companions to Allah’).

There is no political correctness in Islam where they identify an infidel as an infidel.

But Christians will continue to say, “Islam is a religion of Peace when it clearly is not, or that there are many Moderates amongst Muslims when moderates are apostates to true Muslims. Why are Christian always apologising and appeasing to Islam and dare not stand up to them? Fear? Intimidated?

The following was deleted from Discuss from a topic, “Importing Rape culture” posted on  my telegraph; I am placing it here for safe-keeping and a record of what was said:

“All Muslims want a better life, a better standard of living that the West can provide, freely available because of our generous and lenient welfare state. And why not if it is provided for all who live here? But Muslims believe that we are a degenerate culture and THEY DO NOT RESPECT OUR CULTURE OR OUR PEOPLE. As far as they are concerned we are infidels, and to be treated as infidels. Muslims are superior in every way, their religious beliefs, their culture, their traditions. We are trash. With such lack of respect why would they treat us any better than scum?
That must change. If they do not respect our laws, customs, women, or traditions then they should go to a country that they can respect, like Saudi Arabia, or Egypt, or Pakistan or Afghanistan. Ship all refugees there where the rules and conditions are such that they can respect and where they should integrate well. They do not belong in Europe.”

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