§7 “Whoever kills a person (unjustly)….Quran 5:32

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§7: “Whoever kills a person [unjustly]…it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind.” (Qur’an, 5:32)

Quran & Hadith Contradictions & Misconceptions

Quran 5:32 has been so misquoted, adulterated, dissimulated, that it is necessary to openly discuss it and examine its real meaning to dispel further falsehoods told around it.


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Quran 5:32


This morning, 10.10.10 on BBC, “Sunday Morning Live” I heard an Sunni Imam, Ajmal Masoor, who is also a politician say:

“Whoever kills a person [innocent person]…it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind.” (Qur’an, 5:32)

I immediately was very disturbed that this Imam could use the BBC to disseminate dissimulations to millions of viewers unchallenged. Why do I accuse Imam Masoor of dissimulation? Let us first examine the original text, with different translations and assess for ourselves.
(Note: That remark has been edited out of the iPlayer version:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00vf0x0/Sunday_Morning_Live_Episode_13/  ) [1]
Different translations of Quran: 5:32

[5.32] For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our apostles came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land. (U of Michigan’s translation.)

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YUSUFALI: On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
PICKTHAL: For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah’s Sovereignty), but afterwards lo! many of them became prodigals in the earth.
SHAKIR: For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our messengers came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land.
Bijan Moeinian: Based upon this incidence, I decreed to the children of Israel (and such passages are missing in the existing bibles except a few verses in Thalmud) that: “Whoever kills a human being (unless the latter being guilty of murder or spreading corruption on earth) should be looked upon as though he has killed the entire humanity and whoever saves a life should be considered as the savior of whole mankind.” However, in spite of many Prophets which came to them with undeniable miracles, the majority of them chose to disregard the Divine laws.
Muhd Ahmed Scimira: That is why We decreed for the children of Israel that whosoever kills a human being, except (as punishment) for murder or for spreading corruption in the land, it shall be like killing all humanity; and whosoever saves a life, saves the entire human race. Our apostles brought clear proofs to them; but even after that most of them committed excesses in the land.
Sher Ali: That is why We decreed for the children of Israel that whosoever kills a human being, except (as punishment) for murder or for spreading corruption in the land, it shall be like killing all humanity; and whosoever saves a life, saves the entire human race. Our apostles brought clear proofs to them; but even after that most of them committed excesses in the land. Q: 5:32 alt
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Analysis of the various translations of Quran 5:32


It is quite apparent that “Whoever kills a person….it is as though he killed all mankind” is completely misleading and dishonest and is intended as a dissimulation. It is as though it is saying that Allah disapproves of killing (of any kind) i.e. “whoever kills… is killing mankind.” It is misleading because it is out of context and it was abbreviated deliberately to deceive those not familiar with the Quran. Because when the verse is read in full it implies that “when the person is a murderer, or someone who inciting sedition,” that killing him is justified. And in the eyes of Muslims, all non-Muslims who reject Allah and Islam are “spreading corruption”(are thus enemies of Islam and cannot be innocent) and are legitimate targets to be killed. But it does imply (to Muslims) that killing another (innocent) Muslim would be synonymous to killing all mankind. (That, I believe was Muhammad’s intended meaning of that verse.)

Umar ibn Kathir (1301-1373) – Tafsir


Let me quote from Umar ibn Kathir (1301-1373) a foremost Tafsir(interpreter) writer, (another source to illustrate that this concept is not unique or bigoted or modern.) [3] :

So, strictly speaking, verse 5:32 is only applicable to the children of Israel (the verse says it). Any way, to be fair, we shall ignore this limitation and concentrate on the wider meaning:

On the surface of it, the first sentence (Islamists often quote only the first sentence, conveniently hiding the next sentence) of verse 5:32 seems very munificence and non-violent. What does the next sentence say? It says clearly that even when Allah sent His messengers many people disbelieved them. Muhammad was one of such messengers, the best and the last. Therefore, “those who disbelieve in Muhammad and Allah (i.e. the non-Muslims) are the transgressors. Evidently, the non-Muslims are the mischief-makers on earth. Logically, these non-Muslims do not fall under the purview of the merciful provisions of verse 5:32. In simple language, this means: verse 5:32 is applicable only to the Muslims. To confirm this, let me quote ibn Kathir  the foremost Tafsir writer:

Beginning  of Kathir’s quote

(if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land – it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind.) ***Saving life in this case occurs by not killing a soul that Allah has forbidden (A Muslim.) So this is the meaning of saving the life of all mankind, for whoever forbids killing a soul without justification, the lives of all people will be saved from him.” Similar was said by Mujahid;

[وَمَنْ أَحْيَـهَا]

(And if anyone saved a life…) means, he refrains from killing a soul. Al-`Awfi reported that Ibn `Abbas said that Allah’s statement,

[فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ النَّاسَ جَمِيعاً]

(it would be as if he killed all mankind. .) means, ***“Whoever kills one soul **’that Allah has forbidden killing,’ is just like he who kills all mankind.” Sa’id bin Jubayr said, “He who allows himself to shed the blood of a Muslim, is like he who allows shedding the blood of all people. He who forbids shedding the blood of one Muslim, is like he who forbids shedding the blood of all people.” In addition, Ibn Jurayj said that Al-A`raj said that Mujahid commented on the Ayah,

[فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ النَّاسَ جَمِيعاً]

(it would be as if he killed all mankind,) ***“He who kills a believing soul (*believer in Islam) intentionally, Allah makes the Fire of Hell his abode, He will become angry with him, and curse him, and has prepared a tremendous punishment for him, equal to if he had killed all people, his punishment will still be the same.” Ibn Jurayj said that Mujahid said that the Ayah,

[وَمَنْ أَحْيَـهَا فَكَأَنَّمَا أَحْيَا النَّاسَ جَمِيعاً]

(and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind.) means, “He who does not kill anyone, then the lives of people are safe from him.”

End of Kathir’s quote.

There you are! This tafsir by Kathir says ***when a Muslim is killed it is as if the entire humanity is killed. When an infidel is killed it has no relevance. Similarly, when a Believer’s (i.e. Muslim’s) life is saved it is as if the entire humanity is saved. You see, in the Qur’an and in Islam what matters most is the lives of Muslims and not the lives of infidels. [4]

Why do the erudite Islamists of the Fiqh Council of North America want to hide this truth?

This answer can also be found in the Qur’an.

Please note: ***there are at least 18 verses in the Qur’an which ask for the pre-emptive murder of the kafirs (infidels). But, it is not that simple to annihilate all the unbelievers just like that. It needs time, patience, plan, strategies, weapons and pretexts to wage a campaign of total slaughter of the non-Muslims. We observe this clever procedure is followed by the true Islamists and the suicide bombers. Even the former Prime Minister of Malaysia , Dr Mahathir Mohammad had asked the Muslims to acquire modern weapons to wage a war against the Jews. He purposely, did not mention the entire non-Muslim population, simply because his country is precariously dependent upon the investment of these infidels.

When the situation does not permit the Islamists to openly declare the murder of infidels, Allah asks them not to be friendly with them. Here are a few verses that tell the Muslims not to befriend the non-Muslims:

Do not take unbelievers as friends; caution is necessary to befriend the unbelievers…3:28

3:28 Let not the believers take the disbelievers as Auliyâ (supporters, helpers, etc.) instead of the believers, and whoever does that will never be helped by Allâh in any way, except if you indeed fear a danger from them. And Allâh warns you against Himself (His Punishment), and to Allâh is the final return.

In pure Islamic Paradises one will surely note this verse being fully practised. You will observe very little co-operation between the Muslims and the non-Muslims. The interaction between the aggressive Muslims and the feeble non-Muslim minority is almost non-existent. In some Islamic societies (like Malaysia , Brunei ) Muslims are not even allowed to patronize non-Muslim restaurants and eateries. In an Islamic State like Brunei , there are signboards in Malay language inside all non-Muslim restaurants stating, “Bukan Makanan orang Islam (food here is not for the Muslims)”. Similar warnings are also implied in Malaysia or in other Islamic countries.

This is the limit of tolerance and friendship (with infidels) in Islam!

Now, when the Islamists migrate to infidel lands, they simply hide those truths. They become sheer hypocrites. Outwardly, they pretend to show a friendly face, but inwardly, they remain as hateful, vicious and cantankerous towards the non-Muslim as before. Why should they have this double-face?—one might wonder. Once again, the answer is also contained in the above verse (3:28). This verse tells the Muslims to exercise caution when befriending the infidels. In fact, what it really means is:  when weak, the Muslims are allowed to be hypocrites in dealing with the non-Muslims. They are permitted to tell lies and hide the truth about their religion.

Once again, I will prove my assertion by quoting from ibn Kathir

Start of Kathir’s quote:

The Prohibition of Supporting the Disbelievers

…………………………………………………………

Allah said next,

[إِلاَ أَن تَتَّقُواْ مِنْهُمْ تُقَـةً]

(unless you indeed fear a danger from them) meaning, except those believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers. In this case, such believers are allowed to show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly. For instance, Al-Bukhari recorded that Abu Ad-Darda’ said, “We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curst them.” Al-Bukhari said that Al-Hasan said, The Tuqyah (Taqiyya) is allowed until the Day of Ressurection.” Allah said,

[وَيُحَذِّرُكُمُ اللَّهُ نَفْسَهُ]

End of Kathir’s quote.

Islam even forbids Muslims to be in friendly terms with their non-Muslim parents or kindred. In Islamic parlance, even verbal criticism of Islam means oppression. If a non-Muslim father or a non-Muslim brother of a convert (to Islam) utters any words and/or makes any grimaces that is offensive to the nascent Muslim convert, it is deemed to be oppressive/blasphemy. Therefore, as per Islamic rule a retaliation becomes due. Muslims are now allowed to murder them even though they might be their father, brother or sister.

Do you not believe this? Read the following Qur’anic verse.

The believers should not take even their fathers, brothers, or sons as friends if they resist God and Muhammad; these types of believers are the party of God, that is, the believers cannot be friendly with the unbelievers even though they are their blood… 58:22

58:22 You (O Muhammad) will not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, making friendship with those who oppose Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad), even though they were their fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred (people). For such He has written Faith in their hearts, and strengthened them with Ruh (proofs, light and true guidance) from Himself. And We will admit them to Gardens (Paradise) under which rivers flow, to dwell therein (forever). Allah is pleased with them, and they with Him. they are the Party of Allah. Verily, it is the Party of Allah that will be successful. (ibn Kathir)

***Non-Muslims are Never Innocent(in the eyes of Islam) – They deny Allah and his Prophet

Views of a Respected Imam

UK Imam: “Non-Muslims are never innocent, they are guilty of denying Allah and his prophet”

APRIL 1, 2008 4:54 PM BY 

The Anjem Chaudary video has, of course, been circulating for quite some time — it was already old when we posted it in December 2006 — but it bears repeating whenever you hear a Muslim spokesman in the West claiming that Islam forbids the killing of innocent civilians. Why is it so hard to get a definition of “innocent” in this context?

“Report: Non-Muslims Deserve to Be Punished,” from FoxNews (thanks to PNM):

A report posted on Islam Watch, a site run by Muslims who oppose intolerant teachings and hatred for unbelievers, exposes a prominent Islamic cleric and lawyer who support extreme punishment for non-Muslims “” including killing and rape.

A question-and-answer session with Imam Abdul Makin in an East London mosque asks why Allah would tell Muslims to kill and rape innocent non-Muslims, including their wives and daughters, according to Islam Watch.

“Because non-Muslims are never innocent, they are guilty of denying Allah and his prophet,” the Imam says, according to the report. “If you don’t believe me, here is the legal authority, the top Muslim lawyer of Britain.”

The lawyer, Anjem Choudary, backs up the Imam’s position, saying that all Muslims are innocent.

Click here to watch the interview with Islamic lawyer Anjem Choudary.

“You are innocent if you are a Muslim,” Choudary tells the BBC. “Then you are innocent in the eyes of God(Allah). If you are not a Muslim, then you are guilty of not believing in God(Allah).”

Choudary said he would not condemn a Muslim for any action.

“As a Muslim, I must support my Muslim brothers and sisters,” Choudary said. “I must have hatred to everything that is not Muslim.” [5]

Concluding Comments Ending Dissimulation:


Quran 5:32 Has either been used ignorantly or surreptitiously in such a way as to portray, innocently or maliciously, the munificence of Islam by the simply contraction of the verse to the following and saying the Quran says,

Whoever kills a person……it is as though he has killed mankind.”
This implies that the Quran believes killing another person is abhorrent and it is not Islamic. But as the above has shown, the contraction has altered the meaning of the verse 5:32 altogether and is a dissimulation. However for a non-Muslim to arrive at such a conclusion would appear bigoted, thus it was necessary to quote, at lengths, Tafsirs from respected Muslims like Umar ibn Kathir to provide the irrefutable evidence needed to show authentication.

This article should put to rest any further ambiguity regarding Qur’an 5:32

Addendum

It appears that this article has troubled many Muslims who have read it. Thus I felt that the article has not sufficiently covered the salient points I have attempted to convey, thus I will extend my analysis. Many Muslims still adhere to:

“Whoever kills a person [innocent person]…it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind.” (Qur’an, 5:32)

Indeed, on the surface it sounds a very noble cosmopolitan philosophy but it is totally out of context with the totality of the Islamic Quranic ideology and thus a total dissimulation as it stands. To prove that it is totally out of context I will quote a few Islamic verses to show why I believe this is so.

Muslim (1:33) – the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people (infidels) till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah

Bukhari (8:387) – Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been ordered to fight the people (infidels) till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally.”

Muslim (1:30) – “The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people(infidel) so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah.”

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, “Kill any Jew who falls under your power.”

Bukhari (52:73) – “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords’.”

Then in case Women and children are considered “innocent?” I quote:

Tabari 9:69 “Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us” The words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam.

Bukhari (52:256) – The Prophet… was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, “They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans).”

In this command, Muhammad establishes that it is permissible to kill non-combatants in the process of killing a perceived enemy. This provides justification for the many Islamic terror bombings. ***[The Prophet makes it very clear that a non-Muslim (infidel) is a legitimate target for death. It also implies that only Muslims can be innocent,  but never infidels. This is a point missed by most apologists for Islam.]

Quran (2:244) – “Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things.”

Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.” Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

Quran (3:56) – “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”

***Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”. This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be ‘joining companions to Allah’).

Quran (4:74) – “Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.” The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today’s suicide bombers.

Quran (4:76) – “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…”

Quran (4:89) – “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”

Quran (4:95) – 

***“Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-“ This passage criticizes “peaceful” Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah’s eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that “Jihad” doesn’t mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man’s protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and this is reflected in other translations of the verse).

Quran (4:104) – “And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain…” Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?

***Quran (5:33) – “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and *****strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement”

***Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them” No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

Quran (8:15) – “O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey’s end.”

Quran (8:39) – “And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah”

Some translations interpret “fitna” as “persecution”, but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for 2:193). The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj. Other Muslims were allowed to travel there – just not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad’s intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until “religion is only for Allah”, meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition. According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that “Allah must have no rivals.”

Quran (8:57) – “If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember.”

Quran (8:67) – “It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land…”

Conclusions

There is no doubt that Islam is a Totalitarian Supremacist Theocracy that has no mercy for infidels. There are also no innocent infidels, they are all guilty of “mischief against Allah” and are not a part of mankind.

ESSENTIAL EPILOGUE  (added on 22 November, 2015)

This article on Quran 5:32 has attracted much attention from Muslims some of whom are quite distressed and disturbed with its contents. This is probably because I have not presented it thoroughly enough, so I will make an attempt to be more plain in my analysis. I will restrict myself to referring to Islamic religious texts in my analysis.

Why Quran 5:32 is Out of Context with the Quran and Ahadith

(1) “Whoever kills a person [innocent person]…it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind.” (Qur’an, 5:32)

We have already discussed that a Jew, Christian or Idol worshipper are NEVER an innocent person. No where in the Quran has a Jew, Christian or Idol worshipper ever been referred to as an innocent person. Only Muslims can be innocent.

(2) [5.32] For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or “for mischief in the land,” (non-Muslims) it is as though he slew all men; (Another version)

What is considered spreading “mischief in the land?”

Fasad (Arabicفساد /fasād/) is an Islamic concept which means spreading mischief in a Muslim landmoral corruption against God, and any form of expression or activity by non-Muslims or apostates of Islam that “creates disorder in the Muslim community.”

***So “spreading mischief ” is a code term to clearly refer to non-Muslims and never to devout Muslims. So it becomes clear that it does not apply to, “those who spread mischief in Muslim land or non-Muslims. This cannot be clearer.

So it should be abundantly clear that most Muslims have been misled or misunderstood Quran 5:32

I just hope that Muslims will read this article slowly and digest every word carefully to understand the analysis made. This analysis has not been made to discredit Quran 5:32, only to interpret it as Muhammad would have intended it to be. In fact Quran 5:32 is defending the integrity of the Muslims as Muhammad had intended i.e., ***That a Muslim must never kill another Muslim but with only the above exceptions.

What, I believe, is so distressing to most Muslims when they read this article is that, “they cannot accept that what they believed as one of the NOBLE tenets of Islam has been so badly misunderstood by them for all these years with this new analysis of Quran 5:32”

Thus Quran 5:32 should read as follows:

“Whoever[a Muslim] kills a person [another innocent Muslim] [innocent person]… unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land [blaspheming against Allah – apostasy or any non-Muslim],it is as though he has killed all [of Islamic] mankind. And whoever saves a [Muslim] life, it is as though he had saved all [Islamic] mankind.” (Qur’an, 5:32)

*****Any other meaning of the above is a corruption of that phrase, or out of context  of the whole ethos of the Quran and Ahadith, and unworthy of consideration because it dissimulates its true meaning.

 

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    • mbplee

      Rafeeque thank you for your links. Link 1 states:
      “According to Islam it is a great sin to kill an innocent person, and anyone who does so will suffer great torment in the hereafter:

      …So We decreed for the tribe of Israel that if someone kills another person – unless it is in retaliation for someone else or for causing corruption in the earth – it is as if he had murdered all mankind. And if anyone gives life to another person, it is as if he had given life to all mankind. Our Messengers came to them with Clear Signs but even after that many of them committed outrages in the earth. (Qur’an 5: 32)

      As we can see from the above verse, killing one innocent person is regarded as equivalent to killing all of mankind. In another verse, the importance that the faithful attach to life is expressed in these terms:

      “Those who do not call on any other god together with Allah and do not kill anyone God has made inviolate, except with the right to do so, and do not fornicate; anyone who does that will receive an evil punishment” (Qur’an 25: 68)”

      But the Quran also states: Qur’an:8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”
      So it is clear that, “an infidel can never be an innocent person.” Therefore, killing infidels is totally justified in Islam. In fact all Jihad killings can be justified as retaliation for rejecting Allah.

      In Link 2: “”If one amongst the pagans ask thee for asylum,grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure that is because they are men without knowledge.”
      [Al-Qur’an 9:6]”

      Quran (9:29) – “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” “People of the Book” refers to Christians and Jews. According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status. This was one of the final “revelations” from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad’s companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.

      So if the infidel is not willing to repent and accept Allah as his god, he should be killed. There is no other alternative, is there?

      That is my perspective.

      • Jalal Kassab

        the quran talks about not to go to extreme with your religion, this is what this post is wanting to conclude. The Imam gave the verse and the sanctity of life, yet some arguments that killing innocent people is acceptable. It is not.
        Qur’an:8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”
        NO. This does justify, “an infidel can never be an innocent person.”
        God i stalking and saying “I”. He is not saying Mohammed because He is named here is an “Apostle”. Furthermore this Chapter 8 in the Quran is in a war context, it is not about killing your neighbour or warring with your neighbour about having different beliefs. This is about when you are being attacked.
        The context you preface and your interpretations is not found in mainstream of Islam and you and the extremist share a perverted view of Islam only due to your misunderstanding and lazy interpenetration.

      • mbplee

        Jalal Kassab, Thank you for your comments. I would not expect any other reply from a Muslim. But we have each to interprete the Quran as it appears to us and not according to how you want us to interprete it. Muslims should be realistic when they read their Quran and not attempt to window dress Islam. Just look around the world at the Islamic world when you interprete the Quran and ask yourself, why? Why are ISIL beheading other Arabs? or their captive Christians? Why? Are they misguided Muslims or are you?

      • Jalal Kassab

        Once again you post “infidel is not willing to repent and accept Allah as his god, he should be killed. There is no other alternative, is there?”
        Yes there is, you just have not collated all the evidence. Yet the substantially more verses about harmony and tolerance. They cant contradict each other and they don’t. It is your interpenetration of them and poor scholarly application.
        You have obviously not familiar with the numerous treaties that were made with both Christians and Jews and while many flourished with religions freedoms and where significant communities lived.
        Do they not forget it was the Muslim upon capturing Jerusalem the Patriarch Sophronius, a representative of the Byzantine government in 637 AD handed the keys to the city to the Muslims Caliph. After 600 years in exile the Muslims permitted the return of the Jews back in to the holy city with full religious freedoms.
        Furthermore, when the Jews were persecuted and expelled with the Muslims during the Spanish Inquisition of the late 14 Century in Europe they’re settled in the Muslim lands with full religious freedoms, another convenient fact forgotten, even to some less informed.
        DO they not remember the treaties made with the Christian and Jews even after the death of the prophet such as the treaty of Umar detailing the rights and privileges regarding the conquered people and the Muslims in Jerusalem. This treaty was signed by Umar and Patriarch Sophronius, along with some of the generals of the Muslim armies.

        When the Jews were being persecuted in Christian Europe as part of the purge of the Spainish Inquisition many came e to settle in the Muslim Lands.

        Over the past 100 years, this harmony has changed and has become less tolerant, it is called colonisation.

      • mbplee

        Jalal Kassab, Thank you for your comments. I believe that there is still a lot about Islam that you are not familiar about. Do you know the difference of Islam pre- and post- Medina and why? Do you know about the betrayal in Medina and the genocide that occurred there at the time of Muhammad?
        Do you understand the weapons of Taqiyya and Kitman, or do you even know what and why Muhammad abrogated Quranic verses, and do you know the Verse of the Sword, Quran 9:5, actually abrogated 124 verses referring to Peace in the Quran? Or that Jihad, Quran 2:215 is a mandate for all Muslims to obey? Or that the Quran has 109 verses that calls all Muslims to War?
        When you have collated all that, then I welcome your comments on my articles.

      • Mahmood

        Dear author,

        As a Muslim brother, I sincerely advise you ask for forgiveness from Allah, the Almighty, for your highly strange and unprofessional analysis. Brother, please do not be offended. If you wish to write articles on Islam, you should enrol yourself in Islamic university. You will truly be repentful for the psychotic words you preach. May Allah almighty forgive you after you repent and not burn you in hell fire.

        Why do you want to cause trouble, my brother? If the Quran says, ‘If a person kills someone, it is as though he has killed all of mankind’, why do you want to add more words to that and state Christians and Jews etc are an exception? Brother, you know that is a grave sin to change the Quran’s words – this is in one of the very first few pages of the Quran in fact. If you cannot fund an Islamic degree, you can also practice SATs, which is an American system of examining words. Do not worry that it is American, it is used internationally also and it will InshAllah comfort you in its interpretation techniques moving forward. Please, my friend, I am very afraid for you. Oh Allah, please guide our brother to the right path and do not lead him astray, as you say in Surah Fatiha. Oh Allah, please one day if brother marries a Mo’mineen, that is a Christian or Jew, as you state Muslims can do in Surah Bakarah, let brother not kill his wife in the night. Oh Allah, teach brother to compress his fiery temper and remind him as you say in 6:107 that you have not made our brother the non-muslim keeper, nor guardian over them too. Oh Allah, by all means, encourage brother to praise our Iman but let him read the verses the he may have missed somehow when perhaps distracted by worldly possessions, that there is no compulsion on religion (2:256) and that if the people of other religions choose to dispute us, You are very instructive about what to do next and that is to say, `God best knows (the value of) what you do (22.67)’. Praise to thee, God. Oh Allah, please help brother reach and inhale the perfume of paradise by encouraging him to also read and practice the hadith of our beloved Prophet, peace be upon him. For,
        “whoever kills a person who has a truce with the Muslims will never smell the fragrance of Paradise (Saheeh Muslim).” Finally my brother, a stark warning from Abu Dawud’s recording of a hadith from the messenger of Allah (PBUH):

         “Beware! Whoever is cruel and hard on a non-Muslim minority, or curtails their rights, or burdens them with more than they can bear, or takes anything from them against their free will; I (Prophet Muhammad) will complain against the person on the Day of Judgment.”

        My brother, we fear for you but will not lose hope. Pray in 2/3rds of the night when Allah is listening the most. You should endeavour fasting, my friend, out of Ramadan, and inshAllah, praise Allah, our almighty Allah will forgive you before your life ends. I suggest 4 months fasting this year but maybe you can do it 1 month per season. Oh Allah, let him repent, oh Allah, show your mercy, oh Allah, may he be saved from the burning hellfire once he asks for your forgiveness, oh Allah, let him be saved from eternal burning in the Pits, inshAllah.

      • mbplee

        Mahmoud, as you will see, I have approved your post so it can be read by all. I am sorry your views on Quran 5:32 are so narrow and out of context with the rest of the Quran. I hope some day you may see that your views are wrong. You are not the only Muslim with such views, but that is what I expected because your thoughts are all so regimented. Read again what I have written with an open mind and open heart and perhaps you will see things differently. My good wishes to you.

    • Syahrul arfany

      Why do you really want to believe that islam despite the clear above verse, that we muslim are not allowed to kill the innocent you insist that muslim should kill you. Do you really want 1.5 billion muslim starts killing all christians ?.

      Read albaqarah 190, 191.193 1nd 194 and do not leave any verse so it is not out of context, this is exactly how majority of muslim understand jihad, in order for muslim to fight in the way of allah is if they are under oppression they are attaked first. Allah never allowed them to be the aggresor.

      Why suicide bombers think they are doing jihad, perhaps you should ask why israel are killing their innocent brothers in palestines, and why USA and its european ally kept supporting israel politically and in terms of arm forces, while palestinian who fight israel were mostly kids arm with stones.

      • mbplee

        Syahrul arrant: I will quote Surah Al Baqarah 2:190 t0 194 in full:

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        (2:190) Fight in the way of Allah200 against those who fight against you but do not transgress,201 for Allah does not love transgressors.
        200. The believers (Muslims) are asked to fight those who hindered their efforts (those who do not accept Islam) in the cause of God, and acted with hostility towards them merely because they sought to fashion human life according to the revealed guidance of God. Earlier, when they were weak and scattered, the Muslims were asked merely to preach and be patient with the wrongful repression meted out to them by their opponents. However, now that a small city state had been established in Madina they were commanded for the first time to unsheathe their swords against those who had resorted to armed hostility against their movement of reform. It was some time after this injunction that the Battle of Badr took place, to be followed by several other battles.

        201. The believers are told that material interests should not be the motivation for their fighting, that they should not take up arms against those who were not in opposition to the true faith, that they should not resort to unscrupulous methods or to the indiscriminate killing and pillage which characterized the wars of the pre-Islamic era, the Age of Ignorance.

        The excesses alluded to in this verse are acts such as taking up arms against women and children, the old and the injured, mutilation of the dead bodies of the enemy, uncalled-for devastation through the destruction of fields and livestock, and other similar acts of injustice and brutality.

        [Here again are Islamic dissimulations that contradict the true intentions of Mohammad. I quote:

        The Prophet replied, “They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans).” I also heard the Prophet saying, “The institution of Hima (safe haven) is invalid except for Allah and His Apostle.” (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 256) [1]

        The statement that “the institution of Hima (safe haven) is invalid except for Allah and His Apostle.” is crucial in the understanding of “killing of innocent women and children.” No Muslim who has read this, should with a free conscience, be able to dissimulate such distortions again. [3]

        i.e., they are all the same—both the women and children are nothing more than pagans! The above narration is repeated in several, different hadith collections:

        Hence , to me, Muslims are all gullible because they cannot connect what are the true teachings of Muhammad or Allah.]

        In the Hadith all these acts have been prohibited. The real intent of the verse is to stress that force should be used only when its use is unavoidable, and only to the extent that is absolutely necessary.(This paragraph are lies that have been disproved by other Hadiths.)

        وَاقۡتُلُوۡهُمۡ حَيۡثُ ثَقِفۡتُمُوۡهُمۡ وَاَخۡرِجُوۡهُمۡ مِّنۡ حَيۡثُ اَخۡرَجُوۡكُمۡ​ وَالۡفِتۡنَةُ اَشَدُّ مِنَ الۡقَتۡلِۚ وَلَا تُقٰتِلُوۡهُمۡ عِنۡدَ الۡمَسۡجِدِ الۡحَـرَامِ حَتّٰى يُقٰتِلُوۡكُمۡ فِيۡهِ​ۚ فَاِنۡ قٰتَلُوۡكُمۡ فَاقۡتُلُوۡهُمۡؕ كَذٰلِكَ جَزَآءُ الۡكٰفِرِيۡنَ‏ 
        (2:191) Kill them whenever you confront them and drive them out from where they drove you out. (For though killing is sinful) wrongful persecution is even worse than killing.202 Do not fight against them near the Holy Mosque unless they fight against you; but if they fight against you kill them, for that is the reward of such unbelievers.
        202. Here the word fitnah is used in the sense of ‘persecution’. It refers to a situation whereby either a person or a group is subjected to harassment and intimidation for having accepted, as true, a set of ideas contrary to those currently held, and for striving to effect reforms in the existing order of society by preaching what is good and condemning what is wrong. Such a situation must be changed, if need be, by the force of arms.

        Bloodshed is bad, but when one group of people imposes its ideology and forcibly prevents others from accepting the truth, then it becomes guilty of an even more serious crime. In such circumstances, it is perfectly legitimate to remove that oppressive group by the force of arms.

        فَاِنِ انۡـتَهَوۡا فَاِنَّ اللّٰهَ غَفُوۡرٌ رَّحِيۡمٌ‏ 
        (2:192) Then if they desist, know well that Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Compassionate.203
        203. God, in whom the believers have faith, is forgiving and ready to pardon even the worst criminals and sinners after they have renounced their arrogant defiance towards Him. It is suggested that this attribute of God should be reflected in the behaviour of the believers as well. As the saying goes: ‘Mould your morals according to the attributes of God.’ Hence, Whenever the believers have to resort to armed conflict, they should do so not for the sake of quenching their thirst for vengeance but in the cause of God’s religion. Their conflict with any group should last only as long as that group resists the cause of God. As soon as it gives up this resistance hostility should cease.

        وَقٰتِلُوۡهُمۡ حَتّٰى لَا تَكُوۡنَ فِتۡنَةٌ وَّيَكُوۡنَ الدِّيۡنُ لِلّٰهِ​ؕ فَاِنِ انتَهَوۡا فَلَا عُدۡوَانَ اِلَّا عَلَى الظّٰلِمِيۡنَ‏ 
        (2:193) Keep on fighting against them until mischief ends and the way prescribed by Allah prevails.204 But if they desist, then know that hostility is directed only against the wrong-doers.205
        204. Here the term fitnah is used in a different sense from the one in which it was used above see( verse 191). It is evident from the context that fitnah refers here to the state of affairs wherein the object of obedience is someone other than God. Hence the purpose of a believer’s fighting is that this fitnah should cease and obedience should be consecrated to God alone.

        An investigation of the usages of the word din (which occurs in this verse) reveals that the core of its meaning is obedience. In its technical usage, the word refers to that system of life which arises as a result of a person recognizing someone as his Lord and Sovereign and committing himself to following his commands and ordinances. This explanation of the word din makes it quite clear that when some human beings establish their godhead and absolute dominance over others, this state of affairs is one of fitnah. Islam seeks to put an end to this and replace it by a state of affairs in which people live in obedience to the laws of God alone.

        205. What is meant here by ‘desisting’ is not the abandonment of unbelief and polytheism on the part of the unbelievers but rather their desistance from active hostility to the religion enjoined by God. The unbeliever, the polytheist, the atheist, has each been, empowered to hold on to his beliefs and to worship who and whatever he wishes. In order to deliver these people from their error, Muslims are required to counsel them and tell them where their good lies. But Muslims ought not to try to achieve this purpose by resorting to force. At the same time, these misguided people have no right to either enforce the false laws of their own contriving instead of the laws of God or to drive the people of God to bondage of others than God. In order to put an end to this fitnah, both persuasion and force be used, whenever and to the extent to which each of the two is needed, and a true believer will not rest until the unbelievers give up this fitnah.

        The statement that hostility is meant only against wrong-doers seems to imply that when the true system of life replaces the false one, ordinary people should be granted a general amnesty. At the same time, however, it would be justifiable to punish those who exceeded all limits in their hostility to the Truth, at the time when they held the reins of power. Yet in dealing with such people, it becomes the true believers, after they have one final victory, to adopt a general attitude of forgiveness and tolerance towards the vanquished rather than subject them to revenge for the wrongs they committed in the past. Those criminals whose records were exceptionally bad could, however, be punished. The Prophet (peace be on him), availed himself of this permission in respect of some notorious enemies whose hostility had exceeded all limits, even though pardon and forgiveness behoved none more than him. Thus ‘Uqbah ibn Abi Mu’avt and Nadr b. Harith from among the captives of the Battle of Badr were put to death and when a general amnesty, was proclaimed after the conquest of Makka four out of seventeen persons were executed. (See Ibn Hisham, vol. 1, p. 644 and vol. 2, pp. 409 ff. – Ed.) These acts were based on the permission to put to the sword those who have been conspicuously ruthless in their hostility to Islam and the Muslims.

        اَلشَّهۡرُ الۡحَـرَامُ بِالشَّهۡرِ الۡحَـرَامِ وَالۡحُرُمٰتُ قِصَاصٌ​ؕ فَمَنِ اعۡتَدٰى عَلَيۡكُمۡ فَاعۡتَدُوۡا عَلَيۡهِ بِمِثۡلِ مَا اعۡتَدٰى عَلَيۡكُمۡ وَاتَّقُوا اللّٰهَ وَاعۡلَمُوۡٓا اَنَّ اللّٰهَ مَعَ الۡمُتَّقِيۡنَ‏ 
        (2:194) The sacred month for the sacred month; sanctities should be respected alike (by all concerned). Thus, if someone has attacked you, attack him just as he attacked you, and fear Allah and remain conscious that Allah is with those who guard against violating the bounds set by Him.206
        206. From the time of Abraham three months – Dhu al-Qa’dah, Dhu al-Hijjah and Muharram – were consecrated for Hajj, and the month of Rajab was consecrated for ‘Umrah. For the duration of these four months warfare, killing and pillage were prohibited so that people could perform Pilgrimage and return home safely. For this reason these months were called the ‘sacred months’.

        The purpose of the verse is to stress that if the unbelievers respect the sanctity of the sacred months, the Muslims should do the same. If, however, they violate this sanctity and subject the Muslims to aggression, then the Muslims are also entitled to retribution even during the ‘sacred months’.

        The permission mentioned here was called forth by the introduction of nasi’, a practice which had been introduced by the Arabs in order to have an advantage over others in their battles and raids. The manner in which the Arabs used nasi’ was such that whenever they wished either to start a conflict in order to satisfy their vendetta or to loot and plunder they carried out their raid in one of the sacred months and then later on tried to compensate for this violation by treating one of the non-sacred months as a sacred month. The Muslims were, therefore, concerned as to what they should do in case the unbelievers resorted to this artifice and surprised them by an attack in one of the recognized sacred months. The verse refers to this problem.

        To understand Islam we cannot accept quotations out of context as representative of true Islam. We have to understand Islam as a whole integrated ideology, Quran, Ahadith, traditions, and history of Islam. The above is a clear illustration of the misconceptions of the majority of Muslims.

      • mbplee

        Syahrul arfany, you must learn to read the Quran as a Whole and not verses out of context from the whole spirit of the Quran. It is clear that a Muslim must not kill another Muslim, but it is also clear from the Quran that an infidel is open game for execution. That is in the whole ambience of the Quran and that is how verses should be interpreted, not out of context.

  1. Novak Djokovic

    Lesley Hazleton discussed some stereotypes about understanding the Quran:

    and here:

    • mbplee

      NovakDjokovic, Thank you. I finally managed (26.10.14) to update my Flash and saw all the videos you have presented. Unfortunately, I conclude that Lesley Hazelton is really an apologist for Muhammad and I disagree with her fundamental views on Islam. I believe she is misguided and rather biased.

  2. Reece

    You have understood it totally wrong because all you know is that one verse and have no wider knowledge. When God says ”we decreed to the children of Israel” he is talking about what he told the Jews to do previously.. because in the Talmud it says:

    ”FOR THIS REASON WAS MAN CREATED ALONE, TO TEACH THEE THAT WHOSOEVER DESTROYS A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE IMPUTES [GUILT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD DESTROYED A COMPLETE WORLD; AND WHOSOEVER PRESERVES A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE ASCRIBES [MERIT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD PRESERVED A COMPLETE WORLD”

    So your arguments are invalid.. God was talking about the whole of mankind, but he told the Jews first and he also says in the Quran he has not come to destroy the laws of which was before?

    But!!!
    The Jews turned away from God when they didn’t believe Jesus (peace be upon him) was the messiah.

    And the bible has been corrupted by man, which is proven by the highest Christian scholars, it was changed by Constantine
    and was infiltrated by Paul who was a agent sent by the Romans to destroy the true message of Jesus (peace be upon him)

    Paul was known as Saul before he changed his name. Saul persecuted Christians arresting and murdering them as he went from place to place.

    I pray for you brother.

    • mbplee

      reece Murda, thank you for your comments. You should really study what I have posted much closer than you have because you have entirely missed the point. The Quran is full of “dualism” and it is important that you are not misled by only reading one part of the Quran without the “dual” part. Typically like most Muslims you only see the part that suits your arguments.
      Let me quote from Umar ibn Kathir (1301-1373) a foremost Tafsir(interpreter) writer:
      Beginning of Kathir’s quote

      (if anyone killed a person (Muslim) not “in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land” – it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind.) Saving life in this case occurs by not killing a soul that Allah has forbidden (Killing a Believer is Forbidden by Allah but not an infidel.) So this is the meaning of saving the life of all mankind, for whoever forbids killing a soul(a Muslim) without justification, the lives of all people will be saved from him.”
      End of Kathir’s quote.

      There you are! This tafsir by Kathir says when a Muslim is killed it is as if the entire humanity is killed. When an infidel is killed it has no relevance. Similarly, when a Believer’s (i.e. Muslim’s) life is saved it is as if the entire humanity is saved. You see, in the Qur’an and in Islam what matters most is the lives of Muslims and not the lives of infidels.
      Please note: there are at least 18 verses in the Qur’an which ask for the pre-emptive murder of the kafirs (infidels).[Killing of infidels is APPROVED BY ALLAH. Killing of Muslims (Believers, except for murderers and trouble makers) IS FORBIDDEN BY ALLAH.
      That is the dualism you do not seem to understand. You have to learn to be more discerning. Look it up yourself to confirm what I have quoted.

      • Ali

        May Allah give you hidaya and change your evil thinking.

      • mbplee

        Hafsa Siddiqui: May Allah open your eyes to the truth one day.

      • Ldk

        It seems to me that you have only one tafseer to back up what you are saying, and honestly there are many other tafseers out there that do not say near enough that same logic. You have interpreted what you’d like from this verse and one evidence you found in tafseer to support it. I would very much like to look at the sanad of the ahadith you have quoted and show you that I’m sure you have misused them. In any regard you seem to be automatically inferring that those who cause corruption are automatically infidels and automatically non believers. Where is your evident to suggest this? And you have not explored the context of this verse, in the life of the Prophet Muhammad. One of the key miracles of the Qur’an is that it came down contextually as well as generally. You are doing a very typically modern thing which is to fixate on a specific perspective and then drill that into yourself and try to do it to other people. What are your qualifications to make these statements? How much have you studied the necessary sciences in order to interpret these things the way you have? Also a quick FYI there are many non Muslim scholars of the Qur’an please if you can find a non Muslim scholar who is respected and their controversies are quite minimal who has this same perspective I would gladly reexamine this issue. In any case basing any type of Islamic opinion on Anjem Chaudry and also on this little evidence is quite ignorant.

      • mbplee

        davinaprincess, You ask, ” What are my qualifications to make these statements?”
        I have spent the last 20 years making an unbiased comparative evaluation of Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Taoism, and Atheism without prejudice. I have delved at great lengths into the original origins of religions and cultures of peoples of this world. I have also travelled and seen much of the world and different peoples in different continents and appreciate their ways of life. My life’s experience and my maturity gives me the insights into the myths of cultural beliefs that is impossible without such experiences.
        Islamic interpretation of the Quranic scriptures is very biased and misleading. Muslims have a very narrow and exclusive interpretation of their texts. Muslims have proven that over the centuries they have never been honestly critically introspective, thus they are mired in their own disillusionments and cannot correct themselves. This is why Islam has remained stagnant for 1400 years and will continue to be so until Muslim scholars are willing to be honestly critically introspective and begin to make adjustment to fit into the modern world

      • mbplee

        Idk, you post has already been replied to in other postings.

  3. Reece

    Surat An-Nisā 4:123 – 125 Paradise is not [obtained] by your wishful thinking nor by that of the People of the Scripture. Whoever does a wrong will be recompensed for it, and he will not find besides Allah a protector or a helper
    If any do deeds of righteousness,- be they male or female – and have faith, they will enter Heaven, and not the least injustice will be done to them.
    Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to Allah, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For Allah did take Abraham for a friend.

    I do not read what any other man says about a book I just read the book. it says the book is full and complete. it is also said that anything said after is lies. I don’t believe in hadiths. or any scholars understanding of verses because that is proven to cause corruption.

    Surat An-Nisā 4:49 – 50
    Hast thou not turned Thy vision to those who claim sanctity for themselves? Nay-but Allah Doth sanctify whom He pleaseth. But never will they fail to receive justice in the least little thing.
    Behold! how they invent a lie against Allah! but that by itself is a manifest sin!

    I have quoted from a book as to what it means its not what my own mind has come up with? Are you trying to say god told the Jews something then switched sides? God made the whole of mankind!!!. it says it was ”decreed upon the children of Israel” meaning told before to the jews.. And it says ”a soul” not a ”Muslim soul”
    -Surat Al-Baqarah 2:6
    Indeed, those who disbelieve – it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them – they will not believe

    Whoever that scholar or whoever he is,(I will not waste my time looking him up) he obviously is not learned and he should not be putting across his views on scriptures because he obviously knows nothing.

    Surat At-Tawbah 9:6 – 7
    If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to a place of security. That is because they are men without knowledge.
    How can there be for the polytheists a treaty in the sight of Allah and with His Messenger, except for those with whom you made a treaty at al-Masjid al-Haram? So as long as they are upright toward you, be upright toward them. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].

    Surat An-Nisā 4:29 – 31
    O you who have believed, do not consume one another’s wealth unjustly but only [in lawful] business by mutual consent. And do not kill yourselves [or one another]. Indeed, Allah is to you ever Merciful.
    And whoever does that in aggression and injustice – then We will drive him into a Fire. And easy it is for Allah
    If you avoid the major sins which you are forbidden, We will remove from you your lesser sins and admit you to a noble entrance [into Paradise].

    I can quote a verse that can easily misquoted:

    Surat An-Nisā 4:74 – 76
    ”Let those fight in the cause of Allah Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah,- whether he is slain or gets victory – Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value)”

    (But it continues)

    And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and for those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: “Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!”
    Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan.

    And another easily misquoted verse

    Surat An-Nisā 4:89 – 90
    ”They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-”
    -Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (Guarantees of) peace, then Allah Hath opened no way for you (to war against them)

    Surat An-Nisā4:135
    O ye who believe! stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest ye swerve, and if ye distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do.

    Surat An-Nisā4:173
    But to those who believe and do deeds of righteousness, He will give their (due) rewards,- and more, out of His bounty: But those who are disdainful and arrogant, He will punish with a grievous penalty; Nor will they find, besides Allah, any to protect or help them.

    its is said that Muhammed (pbuh) was told by the angel Gabriel that he could go kill the infidels for there crimes against him and the Muslims and Muhammed refused and said he would not kill any of them because then none of there family would ever convert to the right path
    (paraphrasing)

    And jihad means ”struggle”
    Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) said ”The greatest Jihad is to battle your own soul, to fight the evil within yourself”

    Surat An-Nisā 4:60 -61
    Hast thou not turned Thy vision to those who declare that they believe in the revelations that have come to thee and to those before thee? Their (real) wish is to resort together for judgement (in their disputes) to the Evil One, though they were ordered to reject him. But Satan’s wish is to lead them astray far away.
    When it is said to them: “Come to what Allah hath revealed, and to the Messenger”: Thou seest the Hypocrites avert their faces from thee in disgust.

    Surat An-Nisā 4:171
    O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, “Three”; desist – it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.

    • mbplee

      reecemurda, thank you for your comments. This is not the place for extended discussions so my reply will be very brief. If you wish to discuss your doubts about Islam, try, posting at http://my.telegraph.co.uk/blogs/
      Referring to your quotes, they are all out of context with the whole of the Quran (and Ahadith), and you only quote that which suits your arguments. You have completely neglected taking into consideration of the extensive “abrogations” introduced by Muhammad nullifying the Meccan verses of the Quran but using those obsolete verses to support your arguments. Thus you have either not understood Islamic dualism, or overlooked it unscrupulously for the sake of Taqiyya, attempting to deceive or mislead your opponent. Hence most of your verses carry no currency because it is out of context. Let me illustrate: Your said:
      “And jihad means ”struggle”
      Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) said ”The greatest Jihad is to battle your own soul, to fight the evil within yourself””
      But the truth is:
      “Jihad Means ‘Inner Struggle’
      The Myth:

      Islam’s Western apologists sometimes claim that since the Arabic word, Jihad, literally means “fight” or “struggle,” it refers to an “inner struggle” rather than holy war.

      The Truth:

      In Arabic, “jihad” means struggle. In Islam, it means holy war.

      The Quran specifically exempts the disabled and elderly from Jihad (4:95), which would make no sense if the word is being used merely within the context of spiritual struggle. It is also unclear why Muhammad and his Quran would use graphic language, such as smiting fingers and heads from the hands and necks of unbelievers if he were speaking merely of character development.

      With this in mind, Muslim apologists generally admit that there are two meanings to the word, but insist that “inner struggle” is the “greater Jihad,” whereas “holy war” is the “lesser.” In fact, this misconception is based only on an a single hadith that Islamic scholars generally agreed was fabricated.

      By contrast, the most reliable of all Hadith collections is that of Bukhari. Jihad is mentioned over 200 times in reference to the words of Muhammad and each one carries a clear connotation to holy war, with only a handful of possible exceptions (dealing with a woman’s supporting role during a time of holy war).”

      Hence I recommend you study Islam in greater depth.
      AbdullahMuhammad

  4. Reece

    None of the verses were used out of context if you read Surat An-Nisā you’ll will see they are all totally in context.

    And there is 3 meanings of jihad actually.. the word is the same, its just different contexts you use them in.

    It is you who cannot understand that 1400 years ago things were much different than today, people used to ride around with swords as long as your leg, baby girls were buried alive in the sand as soon as they were born.. human sacrifice was out of control.. murdering was out of control And if them so called humans are willing to bury baby girls and sacrifice humans.. Do you think they could be changed by words? if they could and repent then that’s with God but if they cant and still want to make war and kill there is no wrong with killing someone who has killed or will kill..

    Like if someone today pulled a gun out on your family and was about to kill them.. would it be unjust for a policeman to laser dot and snipe them? No because there was no other way out of the situation a innocent life is worth more.

    All of the war verses are used in the context of war.. if the U.S came up with them verses no one would have a problem with them because they are logical? if your at war and someone tries to kill you and you kill them because there was no other choice or way out of the situation then its not your fault.
    But if you kill someone who wants peace, even if they are ”not innocent” then its a great sin.
    even a pagan who sacrifices humans it says if they want peace ” then Allah Hath opened no way for you (to war against them)”

    I am not saying all Muslims are innocent like with most things 99 percent do not follow properly.

    And Christians And Jews were before the quran was revealed, so obviously who do you think had greater armies.

    The quran is about abstaining from your desires and making your soul clean from sin.

    And I do not believe Bukhari at all in my opinion he done what Paul done to Christianity

    Surat Al-Baqarah 2:124
    And [mention, O Muhammad], when Abraham was tried by his Lord with commands and he fulfilled them. [ Allah ] said, “Indeed, I will make you a leader for the people.” [Abraham] said, “And of my descendants?” [ Allah ] said, “My covenant does not include the wrongdoers.

  5. Bel

    Completely wrong. The word “all man kind” is very clear. Any one who read the Koran should notice usually talk about Muslims or faithfuls or the opposite but in that one it says all man kind that means Muslims Jews Christians Buddhists whatever they are. so stop this game. we respect all religions.

    • mbplee

      agadir, thank you for your comment. This is not the place for an extended debate. You are ignorant of Islam because you are completely out of context of the Koran. It will be only necessssary for me to quote one paragraph that disproves your claims:

      Quran (4:56) – Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment Lo! Allah is ever Mighty, Wise

      That is what Allah has pronounced. I doubt you can dispute it. A Disbeliever (in Islam) can never be an innocent person (or person unjustly killed). Allah Commands that unbelievers must convert or be killed. So it is a just killing if he is a non-believer.

    • mbplee

      Bel, I am not sure if I answered this post of your adequately. I am not sure if you are attempting to be clever, or you are showing me your ignorance (of language). I will post a translation of “Quran 5:32
      [5.32] For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our apostles came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land.”

      Note: “unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land.” This refers to (1) murderers or (2) those who do not accept Allah – infidels. This translation state, “all men” not “all mankind.” It is clear that murderers and infidels are not considered worthy to be included in “all men.”

      Don’t be so gullible, read and try to understand its true meaning.

  6. Bel

    Just to clarify Islam equal terrorism as you said or incite to kill Jews if that is right you wont find any one of them alive today. Muslims never killed them as Hitler did instead they protected them in Andalusia and all Arabic countries till they FORCED to leave by MOSAD, if you dont know 8% of Israelis there origin is Morocco. We are all human we are all against terror and tolerance should be our religion.

  7. maliurj

    The author of this article is an idiot. Yes I said it and I am a Muslim. First of all, Prophet Muhammad salalahu alahi wa salam lived with his grandfather Abu Taalib who died a kafr. He loved his uncle dearly and would not have hurt him in any form or fashion. He even prayed to Allah subhana wa Taala for forgiveness on behalf of his uncle. Secondly, many reverts to Islam have relatives that are not Muslim but are making duaa to Allah subhana wa Taala to guide them to the deen of Islam. These non-Muslims respect Islam and some are even taking steps towards learning about Islam. If we were to randomly kill non-Muslims to whom Prophet Muhammad salalahu alahi wa salam was also sent, then we would be going against the mandates of Allah subhana wa Taala. What about our mothers whom we are strictly instructed to honor but who have not yet accepted Islam due to earlier indoctrination of christian beliefs etc…should we stab them to death because they have not accepted Al Islam according to our schedule? Come on dude, your common sense is severely lacking. Remember Prophet Lut AS who lived amongst the people who committed the vilest act upon men? He did not wage war against them! There are myriad of people who never received the proper teachings of Al Islam and therefore Allah subhana wa Taala will not allow them to become victims by the hands of Muslims before they receive proper knowledge. Didn’t Allah subhana wa Taala grant Firaun an oportunity to repent from shirk? He is Al Khaliq! Every human being born to mankind is a Muslim until they are led astray. Hence, Prophet Muhammad salalahu alahi wa salam was sent to call them back to the fitrah of Al Islam. There are over 7 billion people on earth, with approximately 1.5 of that population being Muslim. You do the math! Are you saying that we are supposed to wage war on over 6 billion people randomly without fulfilling our responsibility to educate them about the deen of Al Islam? Do you really believe that we are not going to be held responsible for failing to fulfill this responsibility? Wake up dude!

    • mbplee

      maliurj, Thank you for your post. Note that I HAVE APPROVED it. This article was posted taking into consideration its “total context” of the whole Quran. Muhammad was a simple illiterate Arab and so the Quran was written in a simple literal language so all could understand its meanings. I try to understand it as Allah would have wanted me to understand it. “I do not attempt to “justify” Allah’s words or message.” That would be blasphemy!
      So when Allah says:
      Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”
      Quran (4:95) – “Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-”

      I believe that Allah meant it and makes no exceptions for uncles or mothers or any other special loved ones who are not of the faith. If he did, he would have said so in the Quran. I cannot find such exceptions.
      I am fully awake and aware of things Islamic. Are you, muliurj? Looks like you may have got the wrong end of the stick at times.

      • abdullah

        as usual you non Muslims are ignorant liars, thank you for showing thats the type of ppl who try to lie about Islam the ignorant oppressors!
        Surah 8:12 spoke about angels who were defending Muslims from genocide: (Remember) when your Lord revealed to the angels, “Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes.”

        Thank you for showing you are a half truth bigot or at the least very ignorant! So i guess you support genocide and not self defense!

        Also you said : Quran (4:56) – Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment Lo! Allah is ever Mighty, Wise

        That is what Allah has pronounced. I doubt you can dispute it. A Disbeliever (in Islam) can never be an innocent person (or person unjustly killed). Allah Commands that unbelievers must convert or be killed. So it is a just killing if he is a non-believer.

        end quote

        The verse said unbeleivers go to hell, it didn’t say you could kill them, (they have time to learn Islam and revert on their own until their natural death as atheists built no civilizations , religion did and ISlam is the only preserved religion of the 124,000 or so Prophets, built the first world trade civilization and taught the west racial eqaulity) see how you are a liar!
        And just in another verse it mentioned angels but you didnt mention that it was for self defense again showing you are a liar or at least ignorant, you take one verse and leave the rest out!

        but your quote on Quran 4:56 adding the concept of murder shows you lie and make up stuff and are ignorant as saying someone is going to hell in another lifetime for denying their Lord who revealed ISlam and then murder in this life time is the same shows you lie/fabricate!

        Oh and re: for the sake of Taqiyya,

        Taqiyyah is a judeo shia concept, as the jew paul entered into christianity and reinvented teh pagan bc trinity as he himself stated in timothy 2 while ignoring the 4 diciples as he himself also admitted contradicting all the Prophets regarding the old law and even james who said deeds are important! showing paul just wants blanket sin, similar to how ppl wanted to evangelize puritan christianity making it less diciplined and more atheistic. Same way a jew named abduall saba pretendded to be Muslim to create shias, shias and zionist always work together, shia groups like the so called Muslim brotherhood a freemason secret order secular fo sunni and pro judeo shia communist group inspired terrorists like awlaki, bin ladin al queda and isis through writers like sayyed qutub (this freemason group brotherhood was funded by britain and communists just as bin ladin and others like isis were funded by zionist cia) who also inpsired 1979 shia revolution yet promotes seucalrism in sunni places, see judaism is racism so they want christians to be secular and forget christainity taught them judaism is racism and cheating loan sharking etc. same way shias want Sunnis to forget they are bigots to Sunni Muslims especially the first generation! because jews and atheists never built a civilization but together formed jusdeo communism tyranny as judaism is organized racism and atheism is organized nothing as useful idiots on the bottom, judaism and atheism being the least in building civilization killing hte most as opposite extremes is clearly a bad record. so judaism and shias want to secularize christians and Muslims and set up wars between them so they can steal the land! Iraq war wmd lies, jewish zionist neo con reporters took shia witnesses who lied and spread them to create iraq war based on wmds lies, so this was a shia jewish terrorsit plot, then there was iran contra etc.

        And taqiyyah is taught in the talmud so its in there ideas in their books:
        Jews May Lie to Non-Jews, Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies (“subterfuges”) to circumvent a Gentile.

        So yea taqiyyyah and bigotry are jewish and shia qualities in their faith. the bible is always changing so it can be in there and atheists have been communist tools who can’t build a civilization so they can learn bigotry too but ISlam is against it, and the ignorant liars, as you have shown you had to lie about verses about hell and say its about murder when they talk about 2 different lifetimes!

        Can you show me where taqiyyah is in the Quran oh yea you can’t because you are teh liar or the ignorant person who mixes up Sunnis with judeo made shias, just like te trinity is judeo made by paul the lone wolf who didn’t meet the diciples and contradicted them and the Prophets!

        Also someon said :Surat At-Tawbah 9:6 – 7
        If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to a place of security. That is because they are men without knowledge.
        How can there be for the polytheists a treaty in the sight of Allah and with His Messenger, except for those with whom you made a treaty at al-Masjid al-Haram? So as long as they are upright toward you, be upright toward them. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].

        end quote

        and you didn’t respond except that you lied because you are a bigot and denied and copy and paste showing you are a bigot!

        and in another post you said : That is the dualism
        See the issue isn’t dualism but the passage of time which would raise the issue is context! which you make up as you did with the verse about going to hell in another lifetime and then saying it means murder in this lifestime showing you are a liar equating the two.

        Self defense is a context as is the context where you don’t need it!

        the general context is peace and defense!

        60:9 – It is only as regards those who fought against you on account of religion, and have driven you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out, that Allah forbids you to befriend them. And whosoever will befriend them, then such are the Zalimun (wrong-doers – those who disobey Allah).

        you are just not an educated person at best!

      • mbplee

        abdullah, believe what you like but do not try to confuse others. No matter what I say will not change your mind but it might shine a light to others.

        Islam Permits Lying to Deceive Unbelievers and Bring World Domination!
        Muslims lie when it is in their interest to do so and “Allah” will not hold them accountable for lying when it is beneficial to the cause of Islam. They can lie without any guilt or fear of accountability or retribution. A lie in the defense of Islam is approved even applauded in their “holy” books.

        By Don Boys, Ph.D.
        KoranWithPrayerBeads
        al-Taqiyya:
        deception; the islamic word for concealing or disguising one’s beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies.

        It is impossible to understand Islam and Muslims by listening to their protestations against terror and their proclamations of patriotism for America. Usually, it is wise and fair to give people the benefit of the doubt but when it comes to national safety and the future of America, we had better look twice, even thrice at Muslim patriotism. Why? Because Islam permits lying! It is called “Al-taqiyya.” One Muslim said that Al-taqiyya means dissimulation then he expanded it to diplomacy but he should have gone further to deception. Now some Muslims who do not follow the Koran are as faithful Americans as any of us, but the problem is, we cannot know.

        Muslims lie not because they are liars by nature but by choice. Systematic lying as a religious policy is deadly, and if our politicians do not understand this, thousands could die.
        It seems our President and his advisors are clueless as to the desires, doctrines, and distinctives of Islam. While I feel a little audacious in giving advice to national leaders, it is necessary since no one else is doing it. Muslims lie not because they are liars by nature but by choice. Systematic lying as a religious policy is deadly, and if our politicians do not understand this, thousands could die.

        Muslims lie when it is in their interest to do so and “Allah” will not hold them accountable for lying when it is beneficial to the cause of Islam. They can lie without any guilt or fear of accountability or retribution. A lie in the defense of Islam is approved even applauded in their “holy” books.

        Muslims are permitted to lie: (1) to save their lives, (2) to reconcile a husband and wife, (3) to persuade a woman into a bedroom and (4) to facilitate one on his journey. Muslims are even permitted to disavow Islam and Mohammed if it is not a genuine heart-felt rejection. Muslims will tell you that concealment of a truth is not an abandonment of that truth if it benefits Islam.

        Mohammed gave permission for a follower to lie in order to kill a Jewish poet who had offended Mohammed. I could provide many examples of permissible lying from the Koran and Hadith and will do so when my critics accuse me of hatred and bigotry because of this column. My motives are not important but the truth is. However, many unprincipled people do not consider truth important. It is political correctness that sits on the throne to be worshiped.

        Muslims may appear very sincere; in fact, they are sincere, when they lie for their own protection or in the cause of Islam. They have permission to lie. Yes, Christians have also lied but never are they given permission to lie. However, a Muslim has no guilt since the Koran and Hadith permit his deception.

        Muslims have no hope for eternal salvation without their good works, so they must keep working to advance Islam. If a few lies will accomplish that goal, then lying is not bad but good. If they can get good publicity for Islam by lying, then lying is acceptable, even desirable.
        They will lie to make Islam more attractive to potential converts as they speak of “no compulsion in religion” while all of them know that verse was abrogated by later verses. They will quote verses that speak of tolerance and kindness knowing that those verses were written when Mohammed was desirous of “tolerance and kindness,” but when he climbed into the catbird seat, everything changed and he became a terrorist.

        Muslims have no hope for eternal salvation without their good works, so they must keep working to advance Islam. If a few lies will accomplish that goal, then lying is not bad but good. If they can get good publicity for Islam by lying, then lying is acceptable, even desirable. The Muslim is earning his way to heaven by lying to a non-Muslim.

        Unlike Christians who are saved once for all by the grace of God through faith in Christ’s propitiatory death, no Muslim knows for sure if his works are good enough for Heaven. The only Muslim who knows for sure that his eternal destiny is secure and he will drop into a delightful garden filled with 72 virgins on soft green cushions is the one who dies while “taking out” unbelievers in Islam.

        Most Muslims will not have the “opportunity” to become a martyr in this war between Islam and the rest of the world and make no mistake every true Muslim must be involved in making America (or the nation where he lives) a Muslim nation. Since Muslims are limited in their ability to die for the cause, they can help the cause by supporting terrorists with money, succor, and cover. Sure, they are aiding terror against the U.S. but since they believe they are doing Allah’s will, then any deception is acceptable.
        http://www.muslimfact.com/bm/terror-in-the-name-of-islam/islam-permits-lying-to-deceive-unbelievers-and-bri~print.shtml

  8. Houman

    With all due respect to authors. As a simple practicing muslim that has read the quran from start to end. It is very easy to understand meanings of words when you see the pattern it was conveyed. It starts with a reminder towards a certain thought or act. Then a history lesson relating to previous part and finally a prayer to help one accomplish that first part.

    In this regard all the parts that mention another group if people are lessons and examples of the first part. It is simple so that an uneducated man that hears it will understand it on his own and not need a highly educated interpretor to explain the words.

    It simply states do not kill an innocent of murder or other harms to man and try to save lives. Infidel or not they are not to be killed under that simple rule.

    As to the “duality” of verses they are simply red lines that Islam allows to change things tonsave ones life. Do not eat pork. But if you are starving its ok and so On. At the end the message is clear. Be grateful and give back.

    In no way it is my intention to insult any one. It has been said, it is the sign of intelligence to be able to contemplate an idea without accepting it”. I am a science scholar and a believer.

    • mbplee

      Houman, Thank you for your comments. In your attempt to be polite, you have not made yourself clear but I am assuming that you are rebutting my comments by your remarks:
      “It simply states do not kill an innocent of murder or other harms to man and try to save lives. Infidel or not they are not to be killed under that simple rule.”

      To me this indicates that you are selecting words out of context of the Quran to glorify “your biased concept” of Islam(taqiyya). That you do not appreciate the totality of the message of Allah in the whole Quran. Let me quote a few verses from the Quran to show you why you are deceitfully out of context and have isolated your verse with the Quran.

      Muslim (1:33) – the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people (infidels) till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah

      Bukhari (8:387) – Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been ordered to fight the people (infidels) till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally.”

      Muslim (1:30) – “The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people(infidel) so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah.”

      Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, “Kill any Jew who falls under your power.”

      Bukhari (52:73) – “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords’.”

      Then in case Women and children are considered “innocent” I quote:

      Tabari 9:69 “Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us” The words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam.

      Bukhari (52:256) – The Prophet… was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, “They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans).” In this command, Muhammad establishes that it is permissible to kill non-combatants in the process of killing a perceived enemy. This provides justification for the many Islamic terror bombings. [The Prophet makes it very clear that a non-Muslim (infidel) is a legitimate target for death. It also implies that only Muslims can be innocent, never infidels. This is a point missed by most apologists of Islam.]

      I hope you will attempt to study Islam in its full context and not take out extracts that could be misleading.

  9. ZAKIR NHUSSAIN

    FOLLOWING ARE CORRECT QUOTES FROM QURAN WHICH PROMOTES HUMANITY..

    This is a question that often comes up in critiques of Islam, especially in light of recent political events. It is incumbent on Muslims to respond to and clear misconceptions stemming from Islam’s perceived stance on violence and interfaith relations.

    The Importance of Context

    The word ‘context’ has two dictionary meanings:

    • The parts of a written or spoken statement that precede or follow a specific word or passage, usually influencing its meaning or effect.

    • The set of circumstances or facts that surround a particular event, situation, etc.

    Any discussion on Qur’anic verses that refer to violence would be meaningless, without a study of the surrounding context. Before we study the verses in question, therefore, let us examine this issue in a wider perspective:

    The Sanctity of Life

    The Glorious Qur’an says:

    “…take not life, which God hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus doth He command you, that ye may learn wisdom.”

    [Al-Qur’an 6:151]

    Islam considers all life forms as sacred. However, the sanctity of human life is accorded a special place. The first and the foremost basic right of a human being is the right to live. The Glorious Qur’an says:

    “…if any one slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.”

    [Al-Qur’an 5:32]

    Such is the value of a single human life, that the Qur’an equates the taking of even one human life unjustly, with killing all of humanity .

    The Verses of War

    The words that often causes consternation among those unfamiliar with Islam, is:

    “…and slay them wherever ye catch them…”

    The truth is that this is only part of the verse 191 of Chapter 2 of the Qur’an. Let us read the verses 190 to 191 in order to get a complete picture:

    “Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.”

    [Al-Qur’an 2:190-191]

    It is a well-known fact of Islamic history, that fighting against aggressors was prohibited during the first thirteen years of the Prophet’s mission. After Muslims migrated to Madina , the verses above were revealed to enable the community to fight in self-defense. The verses that follow clearly indicate Islam’s prohibition on aggression and inclination towards peace:

    “But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.”

    [Al-Qur’an 2:192-193]

    The verses above specifically refer to fighting against oppression and in defense of religious freedom as the Glorious Qur’an says:

    “Let there be no compulsion in religion”

    [Al-Qur’an 2:256]

    Fair-dealing towards all

    When read in context, the above verses do not even remotely suggest an exhortation for Muslims to be vicious or hateful towards people of other faiths. Far from this, the Qur’an actually requires that Muslims conduct themselves with fairness and dignity in all matters, and especially in regard to interfaith relations, as indicated by the following verse:

    “Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just.

    [Al-Qur’an 60:8]

    • mbplee

      ZakirHussain, Thank you for raising these misconceptions about the interpretations of the Quran and suggesting that due consideration be given to the context from which the phrase was derived. Please let me correct the misconceptions of most Muslims of the following:

      (1) ZH: “Let there be no compulsion in religion” [Al-Qur’an 2:256]

      mbplee: Your quote is totally out of context and thus misleading. The complete text must always be read as a couplet:

      Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth stands out clear from error; whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. Allah is the Protector of those who have faith: from the depths of darkness He will lead them forth into light. Of those who reject faith, the patrons are the Evil Ones: from light they will lead them forth into the depths of darkness. They will be companions of the fire to dwell therein (Hell Fires) (for ever).
      Surah 2:256–57

      As I read the couplet, the only choice is between Allah and Shaitan. That is not freedom of choice or religion, it is a compulsion of either choosing Allah or burning in Hell. So the phrase is totally misleading. Because the Quran continues:
      Quran (9:29) – “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”

      So any doubts that Islam will tolerate any other god than Allah is totally misguided. There is total compulsion in Islam.

      (2) ZakirHussain:“…take not life, which God hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus doth He command you, that ye may learn wisdom.”

      [Al-Qur’an 6:151]

      Islam considers all life forms as sacred. However, the sanctity of human life is accorded a special place. The first and the foremost basic right of a human being is the right to live.

      mbplee: The key words are, “which Allah hath made sacred.” These are clearly Muslims he has made sacred. Because Allah has said:
      Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them (disbelievers of Islam) wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing…
      but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)”
      It is clear that Islam does NOT consider disbelievers of Islam as lives that are sacred. This verse makes it very clear, Allah does not consider non-Muslims lives as equal to that of Muslim lives. So this is another popular Islamic misconception that must be destroyed.

      ZakirHussain: “Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just. [Al-Qur’an 60:8]

      mbplee: And yet within the full context of the Quran we find the following verses that contradict Quran 60:8. Which part of the Quran is believable?

      Quran (9:123) – “O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.”

      Quran (2:244) – “Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things.”

      Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.” Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

      Quran (3:56) – “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”

      Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”. This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be ‘joining companions to Allah’).

      Quran (4:74) – “Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.” The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today’s suicide bombers.

      Quran (4:76) – “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…”

      Quran (4:89) – “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”

      Conclusion: Muslims have been misled in their readings of the Quran and cannot even see the obvious. Let’s hope some Muslims will study in greater depth their own scriptures and get the true meanings of the Quran instead of some perverted interpretations.

  10. Beau Bassett

    Muslims will continue to kill so long as there quaran is in there hands. When the quaran is burned and every mosque torn down then bombings, shootings, beheadings, will not happen in the order they have done for the past 1500 years. For what I am doing is blasphemy to the prophet and to any willing muslims they would wish death upon me because I am an unbeliever, ask why there is such little religious freedom in the middle east? because unbelieveing results in death, and nobody wants death upon themselves. Many gay muslims do so in the most private of places and when found to have sinned they often are thrown from buildings or beheaded, just like what ISIL does. Many Iranians and kurds are tolerable muslims but true sunni muslims are a cancer that has caused great harm to the advancment of humans on earth and earth as a whole.

    • mbplee

      BeauBassett, Yes, all you have said is correct and true. Because Islam discourages independent inquiry most Muslims only know the interpretations that their Imams wish them to have. Most of the times, such interpretations are out of context of the Quranic teachings and misleading and wrong. Hence Muslims have only a regimented outlook on the literal immutable word of Allah. Yes, the ideology belongs to the culture of the 7th century and is no longer applicable in modern society.

      • Azzam Khan (@azzamk10)

        You are a joke sir!. How do you know what ‘Muhammads intended meaning was?

      • mbplee

        AzzamKhan,because I read the whole of the Quran in its proper context. Not out of context like so many Muslims do. You have to understand Islamic Dualism.

      • Yhanz

        Dear muslim brother/sister, dont try to argue or debate with close minded people like this author, trying to interpret and change the meaning of verse Quran, hadith and sunnah..this article for non believer only so that they will mislead or how they understand about Islam…no need to debate to him is useless, yes the author is not a muslim thats why we understand him why they change or attack us simply becoz he is not a muslim..even he knows the truth still their heart is block and full of evil…even we trying to comfort or give the fact still this such person will never listen…dear Author, your explanation is out of context and fake reference..we understand you because you hate us muslim…truth hurts because you are mis lead, i know you know the truth but because of your pride and being arrogant its obviously you are against us thats the evil whisper …no need to explain to us..we know our QURAN..even you trying to change the meaning by your own its not a big deal for us…continue your evil word to the person like you..spread it not a big deal for us…we don’t listen you, as you dont listen us..lastly, goodluck your soul.

      • mbplee

        Yhanz, Thank you for your reply. It is little wonder that Islam has not changed in 1400 years, when Muslims like you are so fixed in your views that you will forever retain that 7th century mentality, totally bigoted. It is people like you that has held back the advancement of the Islamic culture and remained in history. But as some of us live in a freedom of thought world, we can see the folly of ancient myths. But as I said, we live in a world of freedom of thought and each to his own.

        You may think I am prejudiced, but I think you are bigoted. Look around you. What has Islam ever produced, invented or discovered? Nothing, because they do not believe in questioning or investigating what is the truth. Because the Quran says, Do Not Question (Allah’s Words). Do Muslims question why Sunnis are killing Shias and Ahmadis and infidels? Why is the whole middle east in turmoil for so many years (in fact for 1400 years).Is there something that is not quite right in the teachings of the Quran that you have to continue killing to prove that Allah is real and he is the ONLY ILAH to be worshipped? Until Muslims are prepared to ask such questions and challenge the traditional teachings will you ever take the yoke off your shoulders. Learn to free yourselves. Ask question. Find the answers.

    • mbplee

      Sorry, unable to respond.

  11. John O'Meara

    I would like to ask mbplee whether his belief/stance is that, as one who reads the Quran accurately, he wishes to see the extermination of non-believers, or whether it is the opposite: that by presenting ‘a true reading of the Quran’ he is trying to discredit Islam and discourage people from following it.

    • mbplee

      JohnO’Meera, Muslims like to present Islam in a favourable light and to do this they often practice Taqiyya (Lies) or quote statements completely out of context to mislead and deceive non-Believers and often themselves included. As the Quran contains the immutable words of Allah, it is often not possible to argue against Allah’s pronouncements. As I can only use the Quran as authentic support for my arguments, I have to establish if those statements are “out of context and thus misleading.” I take the Quran as a Whole and that all concepts are inter-related within the Quran and that the correct concept can be found by evaluating all the verses as one.

      For example when Muslims claim that “there is no compulsion in Islam” but another command in the Quran says: “But the god of you all is the One Allah.there is no god but He: all things He comprehends in His knowledge. (Surah Ta Ha, 98)” So both cannot be right.The latter verse must override the previous. These are the misconceptions in Islam that need to be clarified.

      No, John O’Meera, I am not trying to discredit Islam, I am attempting to show the erroneous interpretations adopted by Muslims of their own Holy Quran, because some Imam choose to distort the truth either out of ignorance or for malicious purposes.

      Only by knowing the truth can we make good judgements for ourselves. I will always try to dispute Taqiyya (lies) of Islam because I have made the effort to learn about Islam.

      • John O'Meara

        Thank you for the clarification. I’m not qualified to argue interpretations of the Quran, but I suspect that truth won’t emerge from textual analysis; rather, I think it will be found in how people behave towards each other, and from this perspective I find, thankfully, that truth is widespread amongst people of all beliefs and none.

  12. Salaman

    You are all a disgrace to Islam. You have misinterpreted the Quran and the teachings
    Of our Holy Prophet Saw to benefit your own violent minds and hatred to those who do not fit in with your beliefs. The Prophet Saw was a man of peace who forbid the harming of people in any form lest it be you are under attack. One day you will leave this Earth and Allah will show you the truth. Allah is the Most Merciful, only HE can judge and decide who lives and dies. You are not a prophet or God to try to brainwash people into believing that anyone who isn’t a Muslim has no worth to their life. You should make Duaa and ask Allah to open your heart and mind to the truth instead of letting the shaytan convince you of these hatred beliefs. Focus on yourselves instead of preaching to people. May Allah have mercy and forgiveness on all of you for twisting our beautiful religion.

    • mbplee

      Salaman, Thank you for your views. Unfortunately you are totally OUT OF CONTEXT OF THE QURAN and thus you have been misguided. Pray to Allah to give you eyes that can see or a mind that can perceive clearly. Bless you!

  13. John O'Meara

    Just to clarify, I don’t myself think that mpb lee is an accurate reader of the Quran, because I suspect that the Quran should not be read in a rationalistic/fault-finding/’Western’ way – that this is to miss the point; rather it is in ‘experiencing’ it (and importantly in the original language) that people find valuable truths. I also believe that Islamic scholarship has paid a lot of attention to historical context, which Mr. Lee largely misses out. But I am no expert, and don’t want to be in a prolonged debate. I am just grateful that the area in which I live is richer and safer as a result of the Muslims who live here as well.

    • mbplee

      John O’Meara, I am so pleased that you feel richer and safer amongst your Muslim neighbours. May you always enjoy such confidence. But we live in a free country and we are blessed with Freedom of Thought and Views. I have expressed mine as comprehensively as possible for others to accept or reject as they please. I have spent many years studying Islam and I feel confident I know what I am talking about. It is up to you to accept or reject it.

  14. Mahmood

    Dear author,

    As a Muslim brother, I sincerely advise you ask for forgiveness from Allah, the Almighty, for your highly strange and unprofessional analysis. Brother, please do not be offended. If you wish to write articles on Islam, you should enrol yourself in Islamic university. You will truly be repentful for the psychotic words you preach. May Allah almighty forgive you after you repent and not burn you in hell fire.

    Why do you want to cause trouble, my brother? If the Quran says, ‘If a person kills someone, it is as though he has killed all of mankind’, why do you want to add more words to that and state Christians and Jews etc are an exception? Brother, you know that is a grave sin to change the Quran’s words – this is in one of the very first few pages of the Quran in fact. If you cannot fund an Islamic degree, you can also practice SATs, which is an American system of examining words. Do not worry that it is American, it is used internationally also and it will InshAllah comfort you in its interpretation techniques moving forward. Please, my friend, I am very afraid for you. Oh Allah, please guide our brother to the right path and do not lead him astray, as you say in Surah Fatiha. Oh Allah, please one day if brother marries a Mo’mineen, that is a Christian or Jew, as you state Muslims can do in Surah Bakarah, let brother not kill his wife in the night. Oh Allah, teach brother to compress his fiery temper and remind him as you say in 6:107 that you have not made our brother the non-muslim keeper, nor guardian over them too. Oh Allah, by all means, encourage brother to praise our Iman but let him read the verses the he may have missed somehow when perhaps distracted by worldly possessions, that there is no compulsion on religion (2:256) and that if the people of other religions choose to dispute us, You are very instructive about what to do next and that is to say, `God best knows (the value of) what you do (22.67)’. Praise to thee, God. Oh Allah, please help brother reach and inhale the perfume of paradise by encouraging him to also read and practice the hadith of our beloved Prophet, peace be upon him. For,
    “whoever kills a person who has a truce with the Muslims will never smell the fragrance of Paradise (Saheeh Muslim).” Finally my brother, a stark warning from Abu Dawud’s recording of a hadith from the messenger of Allah (PBUH):

     “Beware! Whoever is cruel and hard on a non-Muslim minority, or curtails their rights, or burdens them with more than they can bear, or takes anything from them against their free will; I (Prophet Muhammad) will complain against the person on the Day of Judgment.”

    My brother, we fear for you but will not lose hope. Pray in 2/3rds of the night when Allah is listening the most. You should endeavour fasting, my friend, out of Ramadan, and inshAllah, praise Allah, our almighty Allah will forgive you before your life ends. I suggest 4 months fasting this year but maybe you can do it 1 month per season. Oh Allah, let him repent, oh Allah, show your mercy, oh Allah, may he be saved from the burning hellfire once he asks for your forgiveness, oh Allah, let him be saved from eternal burning in the Pits, inshAllah.

  15. Gul Khan Mohmand

    The preacher (now a days) , with his wealth of anecdote and wordy legend. Little has to tell if truth, for all his fine grandiloquence.

    Dear Brother or sister or whatever!!!

    All the verses of Quran you quoted was wonderful hard work of yours to find all these and post it..

    Now let me tell you to learn something.. Quran was completed in 23 years 😀 not in one night or on week or month.. You should have read the begining of Islam from 1 Man (Prophet Muhammad SAW) and how Islam spread and the whole scenario of Fights they had with Arab pagans … Not christian or Jewish

    Many verses in which you tried to show that Quran in which ALLAH asked muslim to kill non believers it was the time when 313 first Muslim were surrounded by 10K non believers and were about to get killed. some of the revealations of verses that you mentioned were at the time when Pagan Arab wanted to kill Prophet Muhammad…SAW

    if muslim were asked to kill non believers… ISIS should not cross thousand of kilometers in Paris to kill innocent people instead of going few hundred kilometer in israel to kill Jewish …

    all i would do is to ask for forgiveness for you…

    • mbplee

      Gul Khan Mohmand: Thank you for your comments which I have approved for all to see.
      Unfortunately I do not believe that the Quran was written in 23 years nor was Muhammad the originator of the Quran. I believe that:

      (1) Many don’t know the Koran was an enlarged, revised version of the ancient Word of the Goddess Kore, revered by Mohammed’s tribe, the Koreshites (Children of Kore), who guarded her shrine at Mecca.

      The original writing was done long before Mohammed’s time by holy imams, a word related to Semitic imp, “mother.”

      (2) It was said they took the scriptures from a prototype that existed in heaven from the beginning of eternity, “Mother of the Book” – i.e., the Goddess herself, wearing the Book of Fate on her breast as Mother Tiamat wore the Tablets of Destiny. Sometimes the celestial Koran was called the ***Preserved Tablet.

      (3) There was some resemblance between this and other legendary books of divine origin, such as the ***Ur-text, ***the Book of Thoth and the ***Emerald Tablet of Hermes. As in the case of the Judeo-Christian Bible, the Koran was much rewritten to support new patriarchal laws and to obliterate the figures of the Goddess and her priestesses.

      *****14.1 LAUH MAHFOOZ: The tablet that is protected from any alterations.

      *****14.2 UMM-UL-KITAAB: Because it is the collection of all the Laws, rules and orders of Allah.

      *****14.3 IMAAMUM MUBEEN: Because everything is already written in it.

      *****14.4 KITAABUM MAKNOON: Because its contents are not known to anyone except Allah. [2]

      *****The Preserved Tablet is the Book in which Allaah had written the predestination of His Creation before He created them.

      Allaah Says (what means): {Do you not know that Allaah knows what is in the heaven and earth? Indeed, that is in a Record.}[Quran 22:70] Ibn ‘Atiyyah said: “This (i.e. the Record) is the Preserved Tablet.” Moreover, the Prophet said: “First of all, there was nothing but Allaah and (then He created His throne). His Throne was over the water, and He wrote everything in the Book (in the heaven) and created water, the heavens and the earth.” Ibn Hajar said: “What is meant with Reminder here is the Preserved Tablet.”

      *****As regards the location of this Book, it is in the seventh heaven, as stated by Ash-Shawkaani from some scholars from among our righteous predecessors. However, we are not aware of any authentic narration which clarifies when it was exactly created. *****However, it is confirmed that the Prophet said: “Allaah has decreed the destiny of all the creatures 50,000 years before He created the heavens and the earth.” [Muslim]

      Guy Khan, from the above, it would seem that there is a lot about the Quran that you did not even know. So go and do some deep research to find out more about the mythical origins of the Quran.

  16. Muhammad Barkaat Hussain

    Dear mbplea
    I sincerely wish and pray that Almighty God show all of us His right path. The whole world is one community, created by only one God. People usually differ out of mutual jealously and they have divided themselves in different religions and sects. Every religion and sects claim they they are on Right Path. To find out which one is authentic, please spare some time of your busy life and ask directly from Almighty God with sincerity, O God if you are there please guide me towards your Right Path and keep on asking till you find the response. Definitely you will be guided towards His Right Path.

    • mbplee

      Muhammad Barkaat Hussain, thank you for your comments. Some day perhaps you may find the answers about Allah and his origins and perhaps realise that you are in fact praying to Allal-Hubal the original Allah of the Kaaba. There are unfortunately no “Right Path” to god, because the “Right Path” indicates that others are “Wrong Paths” hence you have just spelt out “Religious Supremacy” a sure path to death and destruction. THINK ON THAT MUHAMMAD. Let me end by quoting from my writings:

      “Supremacist Faiths Kill Others but It is Based on Mythological Beliefs

      Historical and archaeological evidence has proven that the Abrahamic Faiths, in fact all Faiths of this world, are based on mythical legends of imaginative and pious people of ancient times. The legendary figures of Adam and Eve and Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Moses, Jesus, and YHWH, Christian God, Allah, were mythical figures. They never existed and no one has ever proven that they existed. Thus any supremacist ideologies of any such faiths are man-created exclusive doctrines and does not belong to the Divine world. So today’s savagery and killings are based on the absolute supremacy of their god is nothing but false doctrines of that faith. If only the pious could be made to see and accept that faiths are based on myths, the world would be a better place to live in.”

  17. Ebrima Manneh

    Sharia Law made it clear who are innocent among the Muslims and non-Muslims, the prophet lived peacefully with non-Muslims, and there are plenty non-Muslims living in peace in Muslim countries.
    The problem is, those have no sound knowledge of the Qur’an pretend to be its expert.

    • mbplee

      E.Manneh, you cannot take a verse out of context of the Quran. It must also be in harmony with the tenor Of the rest of the context of the whole Quran. Those who attempt to pervert the true meaning for misleading the unwary are scoundrels and blasphemers.

    • mbplee

      ausieconservativeblog, and excellent analysis of Quran 5:32. We should always interpret the Quran in context with the rest of the Holly Book.

  18. rolf

    Have to say I learned a lot from this. Can I believe that the verses of violent nature is done in setting when the muslims where at war and surrounded and had no other option the defend back? Or is this a “supreme” ideology where a muslim life is above more important than a non muslim.

    • mbplee

      rolf, As I see it, Quran 5:32 means that a Muslim has no right to kill anther person/Miuslim unless he is guilty of Murder or makes Mischief [meaning speaks against Islam in any form; i.e., is a non-Muslim.]

      The meaning is straight forward.

  19. rolf

    If a person kills someone, it is as though he has killed all of mankind’, I have told that this sentence is not in the quran, I mean the original arabic. But is a translation regarding only the jews. Is this true? Can someone take a photo of the original and translate?

    • mbplee

      rolfeilert, I only have these translations:

      The Quranic Arabic Corpus – Translations

    • Muhammad Barkaat Hussain

      Dear Rolf Please find the original text in arabic and translation in english.

      مِنْ أَجْلِ ذَٰلِكَ كَتَبْنَا عَلَىٰ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ أَنَّهُ مَن قَتَلَ نَفْسًا بِغَيْرِ نَفْسٍ أَوْ فَسَادٍ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا وَمَنْ أَحْيَاهَا فَكَأَنَّمَا أَحْيَا النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا وَلَقَدْ جَاءَتْهُمْ رُسُلُنَا بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ ثُمَّ إِنَّ كَثِيرًا مِّنْهُم بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ فِي الْأَرْضِ لَمُسْرِفُونَ

      From time that, We ordained on (the) Children (of) Israel that he who kills a soul other than (for) a soul or (for) spreading corruption in the earth then (it) is as if he has killed all [the] mankind, and whoever saves it then (it) is as if he has saved all [the] mankind. And surely came to them Our Messengers with clear Signs yet, indeed, many of them after that in the earth (are) surely those who commit excesses.
      For detail
      http://islamawakened.com/quran/5/32/

  20. Freddy

    Most of this article is false and misinterpretated. This person can’t be serious. When ever it mentions God saying fight them it’s because of self defense because it would be contra ticking the previous verses on the Quran about not killing any soul Muslim or non-Muslim. You have totally taken things out of context. The verse where it says killing a Muslim soul ????? It doesn’t mean that it says soul in Arabic not believers soul as if you killed all Nanking. It clearly states any soul without a good reason !!!!!!! Is as if you killed all mankind read the Quran good before you lie to your self and lie to the masses and go back to the first verses it says that even those infidels that want to kill you if they stop THEN GOD IS THE MOST FORGiVER !!!!!! What is wrong with you???????????. Stop deceiving yourself and the masses.

    • mbplee

      Farid_reda657 and rolfeilert1970 let me quote a lengthy quote to satisfy your confusion about Quran 5:32

      “The Holy Koran teaches that whoever kills an innocent, it is as if he has killed all mankind; and whoever saves a person, it is as if he has saved all mankind.” So said Obama is his speech at Cairo on June 4, 2009, intended to the Muslim world.

      This quote is taken from verse 5:32 of the “Holy Koran”. Let us first quote the full verse and see what it says (Yusuf Ali translation):

      “[005:032] On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.”
      The first thing to note is that, the command (allegedly of Allah) applies to the “Children of Israel” (i.e. Jews). It does not apply to Muslims. Probably, that is why you find a lot of killings of innocent civilians by extremist Muslims today. The extremist Muslims read nothing but the Koran and know their stuff better than the moderate Muslims and non-Muslims who don’t read the Quran.

      Secondly, the verse does not use the word “innocent” anywhere, in any translation, which you can see at this link from Islamist site.

      Thirdly, a person can be slain for (i) murder or (ii) for spreading mischief in the land (fasad). Now what is spreading mischief in the land (fasad)? The next verse 5:33 says:

      The punishment of those who wage war against God and His Apostle, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
      Let us see from other ayats, what this “spreading mischief” means:

      Quran 7:103: Then after them We sent Moses with Our signs to Pharaoh and his chiefs, but they wrongfully rejected them: So see what was the end of those who made mischief(Mufisdoon).[So rejecting prophet /not converting to Islam is “mischief” and non-Muslims can be put to death]

      Quran 8:73: The Unbelievers are protectors, one of another: Unless ye do this, (protect each other), there would be tumult and oppression on earth, and great mischief. [So, again unbelievers are mischief-makers-Providing Muslims equal citizenship rights and all rights -this would make us “mischief makers”]

      Now let us see some of the renowned Tafsirs, how they define “mischief”:

      “Because of that, which Cain did, We decreed for the Children of Israel that whoever slays a soul for other than a soul, slain, or for, other than, corruption, committed, in the land, in the way of unbelief, fornication or waylaying and the like, it shall be as if he had slain mankind altogether; and whoever saves the life of one, by refraining from slaying, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind — Ibn ‘Abbās said [that the above is meant] in the sense of violating and protecting its [a soul’s] sanctity [respectively]. Our messengers have already come to them, that is, to the Children of Israel, with clear proofs, miracles, but after that many of them still commit excesses in the land, overstepping the bounds through disbelief, killing and the like.” [Tafsir Al Jalalyn]

      “…Sa’id bin Jubayr said, “He who allows himself to shed the blood of a Muslim, is like he who allows shedding the blood of all people. He who forbids shedding the blood of one Muslim, is like he who forbids shedding the blood of all people.” In addition, Ibn Jurayj said that Al-A`raj said that Mujahid commented on the Ayah, (it would be as if he killed all mankind) “He who kills a believing soul intentionally, Allah makes the Fire of Hell his abode, He will become angry with him, and curse him, and has prepared a tremendous punishment for him, equal to if he had killed all people, his punishment will still be the same.” Ibn Jurayj said that Mujahid said that the Ayah, (and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind.) means, “He who does not kill anyone, then the lives of people are safe from him.” [Ibn Kathir’s Tafsir]

      Now I will examine the full story behind that verse. Recall that the verse commenced with “On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel”. Now the questions are:

      On what account?

      Was it really ordained for the Children of Israel by God? Was it there in the Torah?

      For this, we need to examine verses 5.27-5.31 of the Quran, which narrate the story of two sons of Adam:

      Recite to them the truth of the story of the two sons of Adam. Behold! they each presented a sacrifice (to God): It was accepted from one, but not from the other. Said the latter: “Be sure I will slay thee.” “Surely,” said the former, “God doth accept of the sacrifice of those who are righteous. If thou dost stretch thy hand against me, to slay me, it is not for me to stretch my hand against thee to slay thee: for I do fear God, the cherisher of the worlds. For me, I intend to let thee draw on thyself my sin as well as thine, for thou wilt be among the companions of the fire, and that is the reward of those who do wrong. The (selfish) soul of the other led him to the murder of his brother: he murdered him, and became (himself) one of the lost ones. Then God sent a raven, who scratched the ground, to show him how to hide the shame of his brother. “Woe is me!” said he; “Was I not even able to be as this raven, and to hide the shame of my brother?” then he became full of regrets.

      “Recite to them the truth of the story of the two sons of Adam. Behold! they each presented a sacrifice (to God): It was accepted from one, but not from the other”… Nothing is very clear in these verses unless we refer the Torah, where the story of Abel and Cain, the sons of Adam, is narrated. Now Quran does not even contain the names of the two sons of Adam and their sacrifices to God. So what is the purpose of repeating the incomplete story in the Quran, when the complete one is already narrated in the Torah as this:

      …And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto HaShem. And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And HaShem had respect unto Abel and to his offering; but unto Cain and to his offering He had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
      The rejection of Cain’s offering made him jealous and he killed Abel. Now what has this got to do with verse 5.32? Only one individual was murdered. There was no intent/action on part of Cain to commit mass murders. Secondly, this verse 5.32 said to be ordained for Jews is not found in Torah at all. It is found in Talmud. Let us see what Talmud says in Mishnah Sanhedrin:

      You may also be aware of the fact that there is no similarity between civil and criminal cases. In civil cases one may repay the money damage and he is atoned; but in criminal cases the blood of the person executed, and of his descendants to the end of all generations, clings to the originator of his execution. So do we find in the case of Cain, who slew his brother. It reads [Gen. iv. 10]: “The voice of the ‘bloods’ of thy brother are crying unto me from the ground.” It does not read “blood,” but “bloods,” which means his blood and the blood of his descendants. [According to others it reads “bloods” in the plural, because his blood was scattered all over the trees and stones.] Therefore the man was created singly, to teach that he who destroys one soul of a human being, the Scripture considers him as if he should destroy a whole world, and him who saves one soul of Israel, the Scripture considers him as if he should save a whole world. And also because of peace among creatures, so that one should not say: My grandfather was greater than yours; and also that the heretic shall not say: There are many creators in heaven; and also to proclaim the glory of the Holy One, blessed be He. For a human being stamps many coins with one stamp, and all of them are alike; but the King of the kings of kings, the Holy One, blessed be He, has stamped every man with the stamp of Adam the First, and nevertheless not one of them is like the other. Therefore every man may say: The world was created for my sake, hence I must be upright, just, etc.

      Thus, the verse—“he who destroys one soul of a human being, the Scripture considers him as if he should destroy a whole world, and him who saves one soul of Israel, the Scripture considers him as if he should save a whole world”—is not there in the sacred Torah. Actually, it was the commentary or interpretation of Jewish scholars/Rabbis of the Torah. The above commentary explains Genesis 4:10 and also the spiritual significance of the Adam and Eve story. It explains why only one Adam was created and not multiple of Adams. Muhammad, from his patchy knowledge, failed to figure out that this was a commentary on Genesis 4.10 and the significance of the creation of Adam story, and mistook it to be a revealed text. He distorted the sublime teachings of Talmud to this:
      On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.

      In fact, many Muslims do not quote the full text of verse 5.32, because it is a badly messed up and distorted version of the original from the Talmud, and that quoting the full verse will cause them embarrassment. In this context, it is worth examining Maulana Maududi’s comments:

      It is a pity that the precious words which embody God’s ordinance are to be found nowhere in the Bible today. The Talmud, however, does mention this subject…… The Talmud also mentions that in trials for murder, the Israelite judges used to address the witnesses as follows: Whoever kills one person, merits punishment as if he had slain all the men in the world.

      Maududi acknowledges that the verse 5.32, said to be revealed by God to the Jews, are not there in Torah but in the Talmud. But he cleverly conceals the full context, in which these words are found in the Talmud.

      Conclusion

      Muhammad, aka Allah, erroneously mistook Quran 5:32 to be a revealed verse of the Torah. He didn’t know that it was in the Talmud and couldn’t figure out how “Whoever kills one person, merits punishment as if he had slain all the men in the world” was connected to the Abel and Cain story.

      http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/82-jabali/65-killing-humanity-obama-misinterprets-quran-532-passes-noble-jewish-teaching-as-islamic.html

  21. yasir

    You my freind are sick

    • mbplee

      yasir, I am sorry you possess no logic.

  22. ihsanullah

    Islam is the name of love dear.the reference are wrong

    • mbplee

      ihsanullah, please quote Verse and chapter to support your claim.

    • rolf

      Death to infidels? Does it mean a spiritual kind of death , like those unbelivers failes to become whole peaceful beings?

      • mbplee

        Is that how you see it?

  23. KAICI

    Ibn `Abbas says: The Messenger of Allah, when dispatching his troops, would tell them, ” ..Do not behave treacherously, nor misappropriate war-booty, nor mutilate [those whom you kill], nor kill children, nor the people in cloisters.” (Musnad Ahmad, Sunan At-Tirmidhî)
    Another narration records that he said, “…Do not kill a woman, nor a child, nor an old-aged man’ (Sharh as-Sunnah Al-Baghawî)
    Narrated Anas ibn Malik: The Prophet said: Go in Allah’s name, trusting in Allah, and adhering to the religion of Allah’s Apostle. Do not kill a decrepit old man, a young infant, or a child, or a woman; do not be dishonest about booty, but collect your spoils, do right and act well, for Allah loves those who do well. (Sunan Abî Dawûd)
    And again, “Do not kill a child, nor a woman, nor an old man, nor obliterate a stream, nor cut a tree…” (Sunan Al-Bayhaqî)

    how merciful and noble the prophet was, a true prophet of God would never order the slaughter of women and children, a true prophet would spare them since they are innocent of what their men do, and that is exactly what the prophet did.

    • mbplee

      Kaiti I suppose you are not aware of the following:

      “Saheeh Bukhari
      Volumn 004, Book 052, Hadith Number 256.

      Narated By As-Sab bin Jaththama : The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, “They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans).” I also heard the Prophet saying, “The institution of Hima is invalid except for Allah and His Apostle.”

      So please do not quote out of context.

      • KAICI

        however islam is a religion of love peace and tolerance
        .judging islam on the basis of a few muslims or false hadiths is like eating a rotten fruit and blaming the whole tree

      • Muhammad Barkaat Hussain

        My dear mbplee- Please read Holy Quran and Holy Hadiths in its complete form putting biased at one side with open heart and mind. You shall realize that our Creator consider His creation as one family. A person is honorable before God Almighty who is good to His family. You shall find hundreds of verses in Holy Quran and more than in Holy Hadiths which promote peace, harmony, empathy and altruism. However, at the same time Islam advice not to remain silent against crime and curruption and proposes severe punishment who make crime or curruption in society. The above mentioned hadith is authentic which you mentioned and is related to criminals people, which are threat to society.

      • mbplee

        MUHD HUSSAIN, you may be correct. If so then all the Muslims in this world must be wrong. Look around you and tell me when was there ever a period of compassion in Islam? Perhaps, the Quran was never the word of Allah but of ambitious/unscrupulous men?

  24. mbplee

    KAICI, please provide citations that Islam is a religion of love, peace and tolerance. The Quran proves otherwise, i.e.

    The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called ‘hypocrites’ and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.
    Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by historical context contained in the surrounding text (although many Muslims choose to think of them that way). They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subject to interpretation as anything else in the Quran.

    The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God. Most contemporary Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book’s call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Their apologists cater to these preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.

    Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad’s own martial legacy, along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran, have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history.
    https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx

    Also read this:
    http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/20975

    • KAICI

      Islam according to the Quran teaches love and compassion for every human being, no matter their religion, says author Adnan Oktar whose television show is watched by millions in Turkey and the Arab world. He believes the problem for the majority of Muslims is that some groups are following traditions and superstitions invented centuries after the Quran was first sent and the Prophet lived, and these have gotten more radical over time.
      “There is no compulsion where the religion is concerned.” (Holy Quran: 2/ 256)

      As stated in the verse, no one can be compelled to live by Islamic morals. Conveying the existence of God and the morals of the Qur’an to other people is a duty for believers, but they call people to the path of God with kindness and love and they never force them. It is only God Who guides people to the right way. This is related in the following verse:

      “You cannot guide those you would like to but God guides those He wills. He has best knowledge of the guided.” (Holy Quran/28: 56)
      he Quran provides an environment where people can fully enjoy freedom of thought and freedom of religion and allows people to live by the faith and values they believe in. According to Islam, everyone has the right to live freely by his beliefs, whatever they may be. Anyone who wants to support a church, a synagogue or a mosque must be free to do so. In this sense, freedom of religion, or freedom of belief, is one of the basic tenets of Islam. There is always freedom of religion wherever the moral values of the Qur’an prevail.
      That is why Muslims also treat Jews and Christians, described in the Qur’an as “the People of the Book,” with great justice, love and compassion. God says in the Qur’an:

      “God does not forbid you from being good to those who have not fought you in the religion or driven you from your homes, or from being just towards them. God loves those who are just.” (Surat al-Mumtahana, 8)
      Muslims who share these basic values believe in the need to act together with Christians and Jews. They therefore strive to eliminate prejudices stemming from provocations by unbelievers and fanatics. Jews, Christians and Muslims should strive together to spread moral virtues across the world.

      God explicitly states that the existence of people from different faiths and opinions is something that we have to acknowledge and welcome heartily, for this is how He created and predestined humankind in this world:

      “We have appointed a law and a practice for every one of you. Had God willed, He would have made you a single community, but He wanted to test you regarding what has come to you. So compete with each other in doing good. Every one of you will return to God and He will inform you regarding the things about which you differed.” (Surat al-Ma’ida, 48)

      In acknowledgment of this fact, Muslims have an inner love and compassion for people of all faiths, races and nations, for they consider them as the manifestations of God in this world and treat them with an heartfelt respect and love. This is the very basis of communities administered by Islamic morality.

      The values of the Qur’an hold a Muslim responsible for treating all people, whether Muslim or non-Muslim, kindly and justly, protecting the needy and the innocent and “preventing the dissemination of mischief”. Mischief comprises all forms of anarchy and terror that remove security, comfort and peace.

      “God does not love corruption”. (Surat al-Baqara, 205)

    • KAICI

      As only the Islamophobes, who hate Islam or those Muslims, who want to enforce Shariah Law, of their imagination, by hook or crook, make headlines, the compassionate teachings of the Holy Quran are lost to the ordinary, non-Muslim observer.

      The Holy Quran talks about One God and one human family.

      Here, I want to stress the Quranic message of compassion, love and kindness by cataloging, as many verses, as I can, realizing that it can never be an exhaustive list as other readers will continue to find new ideas of mercy and grace in other verses of the Holy Quran.

      I will count the verses, in this post, as I go along.

      The Quran stresses that righteousness is not in precise observance of the rituals but in acts of compassion and kindness. It says that the litmus test for true belief and genuine worship is that it leads to compassionate living:

      1. It is not righteousness that you turn your faces to the East or the West, but truly righteous is he who believes in Allah and the Last Day and the angels and the Book and the Prophets, and spends his money for love of Him, on the kindred and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and those who ask for charity, and for ransoming the captives; and who observes Prayer and pays the Zakat; and those who fulfill their promise when they have made one, and the patient in poverty and afflictions and the steadfast in time of war; it is these who have proved truthful and it is these who are the God-fearing. (Al Quran 2:178)
      Every Friday in the second part of the sermon, Muslims all over the world hear a verse, which stresses, justice, kindness and natural mutual love as among the closest blood relatives:

      2. Indeed, Allah enjoins justice, and the doing of good to others; and giving like kindred; and forbids indecency, and manifest evil, and wrongful transgression. He admonished you that you may take heed. (Al Quran 16:91)
      Allah says that to be godly is to be compassionate. He makes His relationship or His Providence to the common man, conditional to common human compassion, by claiming that those, who wish to find Him, will succeed only if they are kind and compassionate to the common people:

      3. And as for those who strive in Our path — We will surely guide them in Our ways. And Indeed, Allah is with those who are of service to others. (Al Quran 29:70)

      4. Indeed, Allah is with those who are righteous and those who do good. (Al Quran 16:129)
      Allah says that we should be the first and take initiative to do good to others, but, if others have been kind to us, in the first place, we have no choice, but to return the favor:

      5. The reward of goodness is nothing but goodness. (Al Quran 55:61)
      In one of the verses, which is recited at the time of marriage ceremony, Allah links the responsibility owed to Him to kind treatment of the in-laws relationships:

      6. O ye people! fear your Lord, Who created you from a single soul and created therefrom its mate, and from them twain spread many men and women; and fear Allah, in Whose name you appeal to one another, and be mindful of your duty to Allah, particularly respecting ties of relationship. Verily, Allah watches over you. (Al Quran 4:2)
      In the very beginning of every chapter or Sura of the Holy Quran, except one, we read, “In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.”

      Allah is not only the Gracious and the Merciful, but, also wants humanity to be gracious and merciful, to each other, in their spheres and this can be inferred from many verses of the Holy Quran.

      As this verse is in the beginning of 113 chapters, except for Sura Taubah and in the middle of one Sura, it really sky rockets my count of verses here.

      7-120. In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
      Let me make a suggestion here, now, that we have 120 instructions from the All Knowing God, to be kind, merciful and compassionate.

      Anyone, who has conscious or unconscious desire to benefit from political Islam, should first try this repeated teaching of being compassionate for a few decades. May be it will assuage his or her political ambition and bring him or her to true teachings of Islam.

      The Holy Quran suggests compassion and kindness to be a recipe to turn ones enemies into bosom friends:

      121-122. And good and evil are not alike. Repel evil with that which is best. And lo, he between whom and thyself was enmity will become as though he were a warm friend. But none is granted it save those who are steadfast; and none is granted it save those who possess a large share of good. (Al Quran 41:35-36)
      Now, I am going to catalog all occurrences of the word “Mohsin,” in Arabic, in the Quran, in singular or plural form, as it means, one who does good and is of service to others. Two of these occurrences have already been counted above and I will not repeat those here:

      123. It shall be no sin for you if you divorce women while you have not touched them, nor settled for them a dowry. But provide for them — the rich man according to his means and the poor man according to his means — a provision in a becoming manner, an obligation upon the virtuous. (Al Quran 2:237)

      124. Those who spend in prosperity and adversity, and those who suppress anger and pardon men; and Allah loves those who do good. (Al Quran 3:135)

      125. So Allah gave them the reward of this world, as also an excellent reward of the next; and Allah loves those who do good. (Al Quran 3:149)

      126. And who is better in faith than he who submits himself to Allah, and he is a doer of good, and follows the religion of Abraham, the upright? And Allah took Abraham for a special friend. (Al Quran 4:126)

      127. So, because of their breaking their covenant, We have cursed them, and have hardened their hearts. They pervert the words from their proper places and have forgotten a good part of that with which they were exhorted. And thou wilt not cease to discover treachery on their part, except in a few of them. So pardon them and turn away from them. Surely, Allah loves those who do good. (Al Quran 5:14)

      128. So Allah rewarded them, for what they said, with Gardens beneath which streams flow. Therein shall they abide; and that is the reward of those who do good. (Al Quran 5:86)

      129. On those who believe and do good works there shall be no sin for what they eat, provided they fear God and believe and do good works, and again fear God and believe, yet again fear God and do good. And Allah loves those who do good. (Al Quran 5:94)

      130. And We gave him Isaac and Jacob; each did We guide aright, and Noah did We guide aright aforetime, and of his progeny, David and Solomon and Job and Joseph and Moses and Aaron. Thus do We reward those who do good. (Al Quran 6:85)

      131. And remember the time when We said: “Enter this village and eat therefrom — wherever you will — plentifully; and enter the gate submissively and say: ‘God! forgive us our sins.’ We shall forgive you your sins and We shall give increase to those who do good. (Al Quran 2:59)

      132. And create not disorder in the earth after it has been set in order, and call upon Him in fear and hope. Surely, the mercy of Allah is nigh unto those who do good. (Al Quran 7:57)

      133. And when it was said to them, “Dwell in this town and eat therefrom wherever you will, and say, ‘God! lighten our burden,’ and enter the gate in humility, We shall forgive you your sins, and surely We shall give increase to those who do good.” (Al Quran 7:162)

      134. No blame lies on the weak, nor on the sick, nor on those who find naught to spend, if they are sincere to Allah and His Messenger. There is no cause of reproach against those who do good deeds; and Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful. (Al Quran 9:91)

      135. It was not proper for the people of Medina and those around them from among the Arabs of the desert that they should have remained behind the Messenger of Allah or that they should have preferred their own lives to his. That is because there distresses them neither thirst nor fatigue nor hunger in the way of Allah, nor do they tread a track which enrages the disbelievers, nor do they cause an enemy any injury whatsoever, but there is written down for them a good work on account of it. Surely, Allah suffers not the reward of those who do good to be lost. (Al Quran 9:120)

      136. And be thou steadfast; for surely, Allah suffers not the reward of the righteous to perish. (Al Quran 11:116)

      137. And when he attained his age of full strength, We granted him judgment and knowledge. And thus do We reward the doers of good. (Al Quran 12:23)

      138. And with him there entered the prison two young men. One of them said, ‘I saw myself in a dream pressing wine.’ And the other said, ‘I saw myself in a dream carrying upon my head bread of which the birds are eating. Inform us of the interpretation thereof; for we see thee to be of the righteous.’ (Al Quran 12:37)

      139. And thus did We establish Joseph in the land. He dwelt therein wherever he pleased. We bestow Our mercy on whomsoever We please, and We suffer not the reward of the righteous to perish. (Al Quran 12:57)

      140. They said, ‘O exalted one, he has a very aged father, so take one of us in his stead; for we see thee to be of those who do good.’ (Al Quran 12:79)

      141. They replied, ‘Art thou Joseph?’ He said, ‘Yes, I am Joseph and this is my brother. Allah has indeed been gracious to us. Verily, whoso is righteous and is steadfast — Allah will never suffer the reward of the good to be lost.’ (Al Quran 12:91)

      142. Their flesh reaches not Allah, nor does their blood, but it is your righteousness that reaches Him. Thus has He subjected them to you, that you may glorify Allah for His guiding you. And give glad tidings to those who do good. (Al Quran 22:38)

      143. And when he reached his age of full strength and attained maturity, We gave him wisdom and knowledge; and thus do We reward those who do good. (Al Quran 28:15)

      144. A guidance and a mercy for those who do good. (Al Quran 31:4)

      145. And he who submits himself completely to Allah, and is a doer of good, he has surely grasped a strong handle. And with Allah rests the end of all affairs. (Al Quran 31:23)

      146. ‘But if you desire Allah and His Messenger and the Home of the Hereafter, then truly Allah has prepared for those of you who do good a great reward.’ (Al Quran 33:30)

      147. Thus indeed do We reward those who do good. (Al Quran 37:81)

      148. ‘Thou hast indeed fulfilled the dream.’ Thus indeed do We reward those who do good. (Al Quran 37:106)

      149. Thus do We reward those who do good. (Al Quran 37:111)

      150. And We bestowed blessings on him and Isaac. And among their progeny are some who do good and others who clearly wrong themselves. (Al Quran 37:114)

      151. Thus indeed do We reward those who do good. (Al Quran 37:122)

      152. Thus indeed do We reward those who do good. (Al Quran 37:132)

      153. They will have with their Lord whatever they desire; that is the reward of those who do good. (Al Quran 39:35)

      154. “Or lest it should say, when it sees the punishment, ‘Would that there were for me a return to the world, I would then be among those who do good!’” (Al Quran 39:59)

      155. And before it there was the Book of Moses, a guide and a mercy; and this is a Book in the Arabic language fulfilling previous prophecies, that it may warn those who do wrong; and as glad tidings to those who do good. (Al Quran 46:13)

      156. Receiving what their Lord will give them; for they used to do good before that. (Al Quran 51:17)

      157. Thus surely do We reward those who do good. (Al Quran 77:45)

      158. Nay, whoever submits himself completely to Allah, and is the doer of good, shall have his reward with his Lord. No fear shall come upon such, neither shall they grieve. (Al Quran 2:113)

      159. And spend for the cause of Allah, and cast not yourselves into ruin with your own hands, and do good; surely, Allah loves those who do good. (Al Quran 2:196)
      When it comes to the specifics, as to who is most deserving of our compassion and kindness, the Holy Prophet Muhammad, may peace be on him, advised in favor of the mothers. There is a popular Hadith that almost every Muslim knows. A companion of the Prophet, asked him, “Who is most deserving of my good treatment?” “Your mother,” said the Prophet. Companion asked and then after her? “Your mother,” repeated the Prophet. It was only on the fourth query that the Prophet said, “Your father.”

      Those who accuse Islam of gender inequality have perhaps not heard of this Hadith!

      Let me, now, tabulate a few verses about the parents:

      160. And remember the time when We took a covenant from the children of Israel: ‘You shall worship nothing but Allah and show kindness to parents and to kindred and orphans and the poor, and speak to men kindly and observe Prayer, and pay the Zakat;’ then you turned away in aversion, except a few of you. (Al Quran 2:84)

      161. They ask thee what they shall spend. Say: ‘Whatever of good and abundant wealth you spend should be for parents and near relatives and orphans and the needy and the wayfarer. And whatever good you do, surely Allah knows it well.’ (Al Quran 2:216)

      162. And worship Allah and associate naught with Him, and show kindness to parents, and to kindred, and orphans, and the needy, and to the neighbor that is a kinsman and the neighbor that is a stranger, and the companion by your side, and the wayfarer, and those whom your right hands possess. Surely, Allah loves not the proud and the boastful. (Al Quran 4:37)

      163. Say, ‘Come, I will rehearse to you what your Lord has forbidden: that you associate not anything as partner with Him and that you do good to parents, and that you kill not your children for fear of poverty — it is We Who provide for you and for them — and that you approach not foul deeds, whether open or secret; and that you kill not the life which Allah has made sacred, save by right. That is what He has enjoined upon you, that you may understand. (Al Quran 6:152)

      ‘164. Our Lord, grant forgiveness to me and to my parents and to the believers on the day when the reckoning will take place.’ (Al Quran 14:42)

      165. Thy Lord has commanded, “Worship none but Him, and show kindness to parents. If one of them or both of them attain old age with thee, never say unto them any word expressive of disgust nor reproach them, but address them with excellent speech. (Al Quran 17:24)

      166. And We have enjoined on man kindness to his parents; but if they strive to make thee associate that with Me of which thou hast no knowledge, then obey them not. Unto Me is your return, and I shall inform you of what you did. (Al Quran 29:9)

      167. And We have enjoined on man concerning his parents — his mother bears him in weakness upon weakness, and his weaning takes two years — ‘Give thanks to Me and to thy parents. Unto Me is the final return. (Al Quran 31:15)

      168. And We have enjoined on man to be good to his parents. His mother bears him with pain, and brings him forth with pain. And the bearing of him and his weaning takes thirty months, till, when he attains his full maturity and reaches the age of forty years, he says, ‘My Lord, grant me the power that I may be grateful for Thy favour which Thou hast bestowed upon me and upon my parents, and that I may do such good works as may please Thee. And make my seed righteous for me. I do turn to Thee; and, truly, I am of those who submit to Thee.’ (Al Quran 46:16)
      There are additional verses about the parents in the Holy Quran, but, as I am feeling more comfortable about my target of 200, I am going to leave those and talk about the teachings about spouses:

      169. It is made lawful for you to go in unto your wives on the night of the fast. They are a garment for you, and you are a garment for them. (Al Quran 2:188)

      170. Consort with them in kindness; and if you dislike them, it may be that you dislike a thing wherein Allah has placed much good. (Al Quran 4:20)
      What does the Quran says about the weakest in our society, the orphans? Here, are a few vereses:

      171. And they ask thee concerning the orphans. Say: ‘Promotion of their welfare is an act of great goodness. And if you intermix with them, they are your brethren. And Allah knows the mischief-maker from the reformer. And if Allah had so willed, He would have put you to hardship. Surely, Allah is Mighty, Wise.’ (Al Quran 2:21)

      172. And if you fear that you will not be fair in dealing with the orphans, then marry of women as may be agreeable to you, two, or three, or four; and if you fear you will not deal justly, then marry only one or what your right hands possess. That is the nearest way for you to avoid injustice. (Al Quran 4:4)

      173. And when other relations and orphans and the poor are present at the division of heritage, give them something therefrom and speak to them words of kindness. (Al Quran 4:9)

      174. And they seek of thee the decision of the Law with regard to women. Say, Allah gives you His decision regarding them. And so does that which is recited to you in the Book concerning the orphan girls whom you give not what is prescribed for them and whom you desire to marry, and concerning the weak among children. And He enjoins you to observe equity towards the orphans. And whatever good you do, surely Allah knows it well. (Al Quran 4:128)

      175. So the orphan, oppress not. (Al Quran 93:10)
      The Holy Quran advises us to be compassionate to any one who asks for our favor:

      176. And him who seeks thy help, chide not. (Al Quran 93:11)
      Continuing with verses about kindness and compassion in general:

      177. Those who believe and do good deeds — the Gracious God will create love in their hearts. (Al Quran 19:97)
      One of the attributes of Allah is ‘The Merciful,’ Arabic word رحيم (Raheem) and the believers are required to emulate the attributes of Allah in their limited spheres. I just searched the word رحيم in Arabic search for the Quran in Alislam website and found that it occurs at least 227 times, including the first verse of each of the chapters of the Holy Quran, except for one. As we highlighted before, there are 114 mentions of “In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful,” in the Quran, which we have already counted.

      This gives me 113 additional mentions for being kind and merciful: 177 + 113 = 290.

      I saved one of the most important verses in this regards, for the very end, “And We (Allah) have sent thee (Muhammad) not but as a mercy for all peoples.” (Al Quran 21:108)

      Now our count here is 291.

      I rest my case!

      May Allah give us true understanding of our faith. Ameen!

      • mbplee

        kaici, I commend you on your efforts. But your quotes do not make sense and are out or context with the fundamental tone of the Holy Quran. The true tone of the Quran is the preaching of the superiority of Islam over all other beliefs. For Islam teaches that is “No god but Allah.” And that there is compulsion in Islam, i.e., accept Allah or Shaitan – that is the only choice available. All who do not accept Allah are infidels and are given the choice to submit to Allah or death. On this matter there is no choice.

        The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. There are no exceptions. Violence is so ingrained in Islam that it has never really stopped being at war, either with other religions or with itself.

        Then simply look around you today. Muslims are killing non-Muslims and Muslims by the thousands and behaving true to the doctrines of Islam as illustrated in the Quran. This sort of depravity has been going on for the past 1400 years and has never abated and all in accordance withs the teachings of the Quran. Read the Quran and see what is happening around you in the world, and you will see that I am more correct than all that hollow rhetoric that you have posted.

        Islam is an exclusive, totalitarian, supremacist, fascist doctrine that will never alter or moderate to accommodate any other religions or beliefs. It is time you get real and realise that your Islamic doctrines are totalitarian. It is up to Muslims to change it, if they can, if not, there will never be peace.

      • KAICI

        mbplee
        sorry but you are wrong ..what is “allah”? god in arabic.did you read Quran? i don t think so because you will see that islam respect all religions i mean all monotheists religions and if you want to blame anyone just blame those who are prohibiting girls to study in schools and prohibiting women to drive cars ..saudia arabia ,pakistan …are they practicing real islam? what said archange gabriel in mohammed when he was in ghar hira ” ikra “that means “read” ,aknowledgement ,preach education to your people and disregard ignorance ..what we see in the arabic world except algeria (my country)tunisia ,marocco and north africa ,is the opposite of what is teaches in islam..don t blame islam mbplee please blame muslims from these countries .Quran respect jesus and the virgin mary , do you forget what did emir abdelkader in damascus when he fought muslims because they tried to commit a genocide against a christian minority and he was decorated all over the world !!! my daughter is called meriem it means mary and aissa means jesus in arabic and moussa means moise the jew ..we give names to our children in tribute to prophets in torah bible or Quran .change your vision you are blind and you are wrong and i have no time to give you exemples of greatness soul of islam among history..what they did for humanity in science ,civilization and research..fascists and totalitarians are in your spoiled mind ..it s time for humanity to change and let muslims living in peace ..you are fascists by bombing irak for a lie !!killing millions of muslims just for oil…shame on you …killing lybians palestinians and now syrians ….atheist or believer we don t care about anyone we just want to live in peace so change your vision of trying to spoil our religion …you are the destoyers and don t try to change subject evocating the barbars in syria and irak its not enough to wear barb and say “allah akbar “to be a muslim ..you have to be an human ..that is ISLAM my religion and i am proud to be muslim ….you insulted my religion but i am peaceful and i reply “salam alikoum
        peace !

      • rolf

        There is really a war towards the worlds oil resources. Those who invaded Iraq, did it from a business plan perspective, they could not care about any religion , the only god the obey is money. They help creating problems, then they assert a solution for the problem they created in the first place. *All this to manipulate minds, to play on religions. For a religious person , any conflict got a religious perspective, for a political minded person, any conflict becomes political. I am in finance , so I see the oil companies doing their filthy business, only extended with wars, and abusing in the name of the religions.

      • mbplee

        Kaiti, you are mostly out of context and ignoring Muhammad’s abrogations.You are out of context with the spiritual intention of the Quran which is EXCLUSION, AND SUPERIORITY.

        “The Quran Distinguishes Muslims from Non-Muslims
        and Establishes a Hierarchy of Relative Worth

        The Quran makes it clear that Islam is not about universal brotherhood, but about the brotherhood of believers:
        The Believers are but a single Brotherhood (49:10)
        Not all men are equal under Islam. Slaves and the handicapped are not equal to healthy free men, for example (16:75-76). The Quran introduces the “Law of Equality,” which establishes different levels of human value when considering certain matters, such as restitution for murder (2:178).

        Neither are Muslim believers equal to non-Muslims:
        Are those who know equal to those who know not? (39:09)

        Is the blind equal to the one who sees” Or darkness equal to light? (13:16)

        A believing slave is superior to an unbeliever (2:221)
        The Quran plainly tells Muslims that they are a favored race, while those of other religions are “perverted transgressors”:
        Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book [Christians and Jews] had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors. (3:110)
        As we shall see later, Allah condemns non-Muslims to Hell based merely on their unbelief, while believers are rewarded with the finest earthly comforts in the hereafter, including never-ending food, wine and sex (56:12-40).

        Much of the Quran is devoted to distinguishing Muslims from non-Muslims and impugning the latter. Among other things, non-Muslims are said to be diseased (2:10), perverse (2:99), stupid (2:171) and deceitful (3:73).

        The first sura of the Quran is a short prayer that is repeated by devout Muslims each day and ends with these words:
        Keep us on the right path. The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom Thy wrath is brought down, nor of those who go astray. (1:6-7)
        Muhammad was once asked if this pertained to Jews and Christians. His response was, “Whom else?” (Bukhari 56:662).Since Allah makes such a strong distinction between Muslims and those outside the faith, it is only natural that Muslims should incorporate disparate standards of treatment into their daily lives. The Quran tells Muslims to be compassionate with one another but ruthless to the infidel:
        Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are severe against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves… (48:29)
        The Arabic word used to describe the ideal treatment of non-Muslims (shin-dal-dal) is the same word used in over 25 places in the Quran to describe how painful Allah has made Hell for them.

        Islamic law actually forbids formal Muslim charity (in the form of the zakat payment) from being used to meet the needs of non-believers.

        Allah intends for Muslims to triumph over unbelievers:
        And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way to triumph over believers [Pickthall – “any way of success”] (4:141)
        The only acceptable position of non-Muslims to Muslims is subjugation under Islamic rule:
        Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. (9:29 Jizya is the money that non-Muslims must pay to their Muslim overlords in a pure Islamic state.)
        A common criticism of many Muslims is that they often behave arrogantly toward others. Now you know why.”

        Look around you, the world is in turmoil, killings, rape, genocide, millions of lives lost each day, and you claim that Islam preaches Peace and C|ompassion. It you are correct we should be living in peace, instead we are out to kill one another. What then is wrong with Islam because all the turmoil and unrest is coming out of Islam.

        Stop and Think on this and find an answer from within you.

      • KAICI

        exclusion and superiority ? you know “el fatiha “the first verset we read when we pray ..”el hamdoulillah rabi el alamine ” [All] praise is [due] to Allah , Lord of the worlds -lord of the worlds not of the muslims only ..lord of the christians and rhe jews and the universe
        One of the issues that we must bring to the fore is the fact that the Quran forbids us from judging others. This has been expressed clearly in many verses.

        Quran 88:25: For behold, unto Us will be their return,
        Quran 88:26: Then it will be for (only) Us to call them to account.

        By using the Arabic word “Inna” – which means “We” (i.e., God) – to begin 88:26 is a clear indication that it is ONLY God who can judge humans. To better comprehend why it is that humans are not capable (or allowed) to pass judgment against their fellow man, I offer the following analogy: Consider, for a moment, a long, stretching river – let’s call it “The River of Truth.” People are swimming at various points along this river. Now, let’s assume that absolute truth lay at the very end of the river, say, point 100. Based on this, we would assume that the person swimming alongside point 95 is closer to the Truth – and therefore better – than the person swimming alongside point 5.

        However, what if the fact was that the closer person had started out at 100, and had actually drifted away from the truth by 5, whereas the further person had actually started at 0 and was now 5 closer to the Truth? While it would be impossible for us to know this – it is not impossible for God, for He would certainly know this about both persons, He would know that the person on 5 was striving hard (that is, performing Jihad) for Truth’s sake. Based on this all too plausible scenario, it becomes obvious that in the eyes of God, the man on point 5 of the River of Truth is better than the person on point 95. It is for this very reason that the Quran has unequivocally stated that ONLY God can pass judgment on humans:

        22:17 Those who believe (in the Qur’an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians (can mean certain ancient religion or people with no specific religion), Christians, Magians, and Polytheists,- God will judge between them on the Day of Judgment: for God (alone) is witness of all things.

        As finite humans we do not possess the foreknowledge of God and thus we are in no position to pass judgment over others.
        Of course, we are capable of distinguishing between good and bad deeds – however, without the omniscience of God, we cannot judge this person or that as being either good or bad (as demonstrated earlier). If anyone had seen Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham) (PBUH) as he worshiped various planets and stars, as well as the moon and sun, before he at last came to worship the true God (as recorded in the Quran as well ancient Jewish scriptures), they would have considered him a “mushrik”—that is, an idolater or simply, an infidel. In fact, God Himself was pleased with Ibrahim since he was at least making a sincere effort to find the true God.

        Quran 6:75 And thus We gave Abraham [his first] insight into [God’s] mighty dominion over the heavens and the earth – and [this] to the end that he might become one of those who are inwardly sure.

        Quran 6:76 Then, when the night overshadowed him with its darkness, he beheld a star, [and] he exclaimed, “This is my Sustainer!” -but when it went down, he said, “I love not the things that go down.”

        Quran 6:77 Then, when he beheld the moon rising, he said, “This is my Sustainer!”-but when it went down, he said, “Indeed, if my Sustainer guide me not. I will most certainly become one of the people who go astray!”

        Quran 6:78 Then, when he beheld the sun rising, he said, “This is my Sustainer! This one is the greatest [of all]!” – but when it [too] went down, he exclaimed: “O my people! Behold, far be it from me to ascribe divinity, as you do, to aught beside God!

        Quran 6:79 Behold, unto Him who brought into being the heavens and the earth have I turned my face, having turned away from all that is false; and I am not of those who ascribe divinity to aught beside Him.”

        The search for Truth – the desire to find the Divine – is in and of itself a great deed, even if the individual seeker never ascertains absolute Truth. The act itself possesses great intrinsic value and is demonstrative of a willing heart.

        As God plainly reveals in his Holy Quran:
        Quran: 29:69 And those who strive in Our paths to find us (God)),- We will certainly guide them to our Paths: For verily God is with those who do right.

        From here, we should learn once and for all to never be judgmental against others but to leave judgment to God alone.
        Saiidna Issa (Jesus) PBUH is recorded in the scriptures as saying, “Judge not lest ye be judged…and by the same measure you judge others by, so too will you be judged.”
        Imagine how you would feel if you judged someone for their apparently bad deeds when, all the while, that person was suffering from a mental illness that influenced their negative actions? If this happened, it would be you who had sinned – who had truly committed a bad deed – for you passed judgment without knowing all the facts. It is for this very reason that God said to Prophet Mohamed in his Holy Quran :

        Quran 46:9 Say: “I am no bringer of new-fangled doctrine among the apostles, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. God is the ONLY one who can judge humans.

        and what you are talking about in irak ,syria and so on ….i told you but you don t understand or you don t want to understand that wearing a beard and saying “allah akbar” is not enough to be a muslim you have tp be humain and respect humans ..so these barbars called isis are not muslims but terrorists and criminals like those conquistadires who destroy civilizations in mexico and peru in the name of the christ and remember the times of inquisition in europa ‘1231 until 1834) and the KKK in united states .are those criminals represented chrisitanism ?? yes or no? stop blaming islam please …blame humans who convince blinded people like you that they are killing in the name of islam ..we condemn these barbars they represent themselves ..we fought them in Algeria during 90 and they killed 200.000people so muslims were the first victims of the madness of human being …I am muslim do you think i am arrogant toward you? superior? i am just a human like tou ..respecting you because i am muslim and we believe in peace love and tolerance ….the real islam ..not what you see arounf you in some countries ….thank you

  25. mbplee

    “KAICI
    April 28, 2016
    exclusion and superiority ? you know “el fatiha “the first verset we read when we pray ..”el hamdoulillah rabi el alamine ” [All] praise is [due] to Allah , Lord of the worlds -lord of the worlds not of the muslims only ..lord of the christians and rhe jews and the universe
    One of the issues that we must bring to the fore is the fact that the Quran forbids us from judging others. This has been expressed clearly in many verses.”

    Kaici, I quote the above from you to show you how little understanding of Islam you have. You have been blinded with a lot of verses and words out of context. The Quran has already passed judgement on others:

    ” La ilaha illa Allah wa-Muhammad rasul Allah.

    There is no god but God (ALLAH) and Muhammad is the prophet of Allah. Sincere recitation of this confession of faith before of two Muslims is the sole requirement for those who wish to join the Muslim community. It represents acceptance not only of Allah and his prophet, but of the entirety of Islam. ”

    The Quran accepts Allah as ilah and no others thus judging Islam as the only religion acceptable and which must therefore be superior to all others. Actually there is no need for me to say any more, but:

    Allah will make disbelievers’ lives miserable in this world and torture them forever after they die. 2:114
    Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don’t kill them.) 2:191-2
    Allah says that you must keep fighting until there is no more persecution and everyone on earth is a Muslim. Then you can stop killing people. 2:193a

    That is sufficient to convince me that Allah means business. He excludes all non-Muslims and instructs Muslims to KILL them.

    Kaici, you also said,
    “stop blaming islam please …blame humans who convince blinded people like you that they are killing in the name of islam ..we condemn these barbars they represent themselves ..we fought them in Algeria during 90 and they killed 200.000people so muslims were the first victims of the madness of human being …I am muslim do you think i am arrogant toward you? superior? i am just a human like tou ..respecting you because i am muslim and we believe in peace love and tolerance ….the real islam ..not what you see arounf you in some countries …”

    All Qaeda, the Taliban, ISIL, have all acted and behaved in accordance with the teachings of the Quran, without exception. I could not fault them for violating any of the Quranic teachings. These people have followed the teachings of Islam to the letter T. They are the shaheeds of Islam and they are the Jihadists of Islam in accordance with the teachings of the Quran.

    Kaici, Yes, I believe you are arrogant towards me and all non-Muslims because you believe that you are right and I am wrong. Superior? Yes, because because you worship Allah and I do not. You do not believe in Peace, Love and Tolerance because the Quran does not preach this for non-Muslims.

    You should study Islam, the Quran, and History of Islam, the History of Muhammad and Islamic jurisprudence to really understand Islam. I believe you have been taught a perverted form of Islam. Your Islam is all Taqiyya, to justify your warped concept of Islam.

    • KAICI

      sorry for you ..i know my religion better than you and i realize that we can t discuss in serenity because you hate islam and you have not a level to discuss with me about islam .i was trying to be fair with you and give you explanations and teach you my religion but all i see is a sick person ..seems to me i am with a teenager ..!!

      • mbplee

        Kaici said,”sorry for you ..i know my religion better than you and i realize that we can t discuss in serenity because you hate islam and you have not a level to discuss with me about islam.”

        To me that sounds like arrogance and conceit. You are so brainwashed with Islam that no one is able to discuss with you about Islam. I have spent the last 18 years of my adult researching Islam vis-a vis Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism and even Judaism. I have an open mind about all the religions as I have made a comparative study of all of them some in greater detail than others. There is very little I do not know about Islam or Christianity or Taoism or Zoroastrianism. That is why I have to keep an open mind to compare these religions on the same basis. The sick people are the bigots of religion, not those who study it with an open mind.

      • mbplee

        The Devout Muslim, Loyal But Misguided

        Having had a long detailed discussion about Islam with a person referred too as Kaici, https://mbplee.wordpress.com/wp-admin/edit-comments.php , I would like to make my observations of what I believe is a faithful and loyal Muslim, in the eyes of Muslims.

        The link above shows that Kaici is a fairly well educated Muslim about Islam and is able to make many references. His defence of Islamic doctrine and Islamic Benevolence, is admirable, as has been the defence of Islam by all the other contributors. I would not have expected any less of them. Their devotion to Islam and Islamic principles is truly admirable. Their faith in the righteousness and benevolence of Islam is as to be expected of a faithful followers Islam.

        Kaici said,
        “Quran 6:79 Behold, unto Him who brought into being the heavens and the earth have I turned my face, having turned away from all that is false; and I am not of those who ascribe divinity to aught beside Him.”

        The search for Truth – the desire to find the Divine – is in and of itself a great deed, even if the individual seeker never ascertains absolute Truth. The act itself possesses great intrinsic value and is demonstrative of a willing heart.

        As God plainly reveals in his Holy Quran:
        Quran: 29:69 And those who strive in Our paths to find us (God)),- We will certainly guide them to our Paths: For verily God is with those who do right.

        From here, we should learn once and for all to never be judgmental against others but to leave judgment to God alone.
        Saiidna Issa (Jesus) PBUH is recorded in the scriptures as saying, “Judge not lest ye be judged…and by the same measure you judge others by, so too will you be judged.”
        Imagine how you would feel if you judged someone for their apparently bad deeds when, all the while, that person was suffering from a mental illness that influenced their negative actions? If this happened, it would be you who had sinned – who had truly committed a bad deed – for you passed judgment without knowing all the facts. It is for this very reason that God said to Prophet Mohamed in his Holy Quran :

        Quran 46:9 Say: “I am no bringer of new-fangled doctrine among the apostles, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. God is the ONLY one who can judge humans.

        But then he (Kaici) makes this statement as Judge and Juror:

        sorry for you ..i know my religion better than you and i realize that we can t discuss in serenity because you hate islam and you have not a level to discuss with me about islam .i was trying to be fair with you and give you explanations and teach you my religion but all i see is a sick person ..seems to me i am with a teenager ..!!

        Yet, He has just played Allah’s role. Proving his “exclusivity, his superiority, his arrogance, and his inflexibility and bigotry.

        What is “A NEW-FANGLED DOCTRINE?” “God is the ONLY one who can judge.”

        So no one has the right to judge what I believe in any new fangled doctrines. In fact, no one on earth has ever proved the existence of Allah, or the God of Moses or Jesus Christ. All of the above are an act of faith, and a belief in legends based on ancient mythology. If you disagree, you have to prove me wrong.

        Kaici, you also said,
        “stop blaming islam please …blame humans who convince blinded people like you that they are killing in the name of islam ..we condemn these barbars they represent themselves ..we fought them in Algeria during 90 and they killed 200.000people so muslims were the first victims of the madness of human being …I am muslim do you think i am arrogant toward you? superior? i am just a human like tou ..respecting you because i am muslim and we believe in peace love and tolerance ….the real islam ..not what you see arounf you in some countries …”

        Reply: All Qaeda, the Taliban, ISIL, have all acted and behaved in accordance with the teachings of the Quran, without exception. I could not fault them for violating any of the Quranic teachings. These people have followed the teachings of Islam to the letter T. They are the shaheeds of Islam and they are the Jihadists of Islam in accordance with the teachings of the Quran.

        Kaici, You do not believe in Peace, Love and Tolerance because the Quran does not preach this for non-Muslims.

        You should study Islam, the Quran, and History of Islam, the History of Muhammad and Islamic jurisprudence to really understand Islam. I believe you have been taught a perverted form of Islam. Your Islam is all Taqiyya, to justify your warped concept of Islam. Your Islam are extracts of the Quran and all out of context of the tone of the Quran. The Quran advocates, DEATH TO INFIDELS.

        The Arabic word used to describe the ideal treatment of non-Muslims (shin-dal-dal) is the same word used in over 25 places in the Quran to describe how painful Allah has made Hell for them.

        Islamic law actually forbids formal Muslim charity (in the form of the zakat payment) from being used to meet the needs of non-believers.

        Allah intends for Muslims to triumph over unbelievers:
        And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way to triumph over believers [Pickthall – “any way of success”] (4:141)
        The only acceptable position of non-Muslims to Muslims is subjugation under Islamic rule:
        Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. (9:29 Jizya is the money that non-Muslims must pay to their Muslim overlords in a pure Islamic state.)
        A common criticism of many Muslims is that they often behave arrogantly toward others. Now you know why.”

        Look around you, the world is in turmoil, killings, rape, genocide, millions of lives lost each day, and you claim that Islam preaches Peace and C|ompassion. It you are correct we should be living in peace, instead we are out to kill one another. What then is wrong with Islam because all the turmoil and unrest is coming out of Islam.

        Stop and Think on this and find an answer from within you. I believe your intentions are that of a typical good Muslim but you have been misguided by Quotes from the Quran that have been taken out of context. The Quran is a Holy Book of Absolute Totalitarian Supremacy or all Non-Muslims.

  26. Shuf

    Tldr; has anyone considered going thru from 5:1 and not start at 5:32? Kinda interesting that in some dissection of the particular verse coincides with 5:13..

    • mbplee

      Shuf, why don’t you do an analysis and publish your conclusions?

  27. salimisslim@hotmail.com

    I don’t know why you try to distort the meaning of the verses 5:32 and 5:33?

    The interpretation of the verse is obvious and as follows : “It is because of this that We ordained for (all humankind, but particularly for) the Children of Israel: He who kills a soul unless it be (in legal punishment) for murder or for causing disorder and corruption on the earth will be as if he had killed all humankind; and he who saves a life will be as if he had saved the lives of all humankind. Assuredly, there came to them Our Messengers (one after the other) with clear proofs of the truth (so that they might be revived both individually and as a people). Then (in spite of all this), many of them go on committing excesses on the earth.”

    Thus, what was “ordained for the chidren of Israel”, applies to all humankind, Jews and None-Jews, because God’s decrees are absolute and universal and are not restricted by time or space.

    Concerning the following verse (5:33), which is frequently cited by Islam-haters as being ripped out of context, while these same haters ironically misinterpret other verses (e.g. 2:191) and take them blatantly out of context. These Islam-haters interpret it misleadingly as “inciting Muslims to kill and wage war against non-Muslims”, which is absolutely not true.

    This Verse, like the one cited above, applies to all humankind; for waging war against Allah and His messenger means waging war against the good morals, the universal norms, values and ethics. Waging war against Allah or God (who stand for the universal moral norms, values and ethics: i.e. abhorring murder, killing, spreading mischief and disorder) is actually an evil war against all what is universally considered to be good and righteous (Charity, brotherhood, honesty, love, making and promoting peace among people, doing justice, co-opearation, defend Evil with Good, heart sincerity, good conduct, keeping promise, etc). The word ‘war’ here means making or spreading evil, terror, corruption and distruction, sheding blood, creating disaster, causing havoc and ravage on earth. In modern terminology this would be considered “terrorism”.

    The punishment for this severe offence or crimes of violence against innocent people is, therefore, not limited to none-muslims (as some misleadingly try to make us believe), but it involves serious crimes comitted by everyone, including the (so-called) Muslims (e.g. ISIS).

    • mbplee

      salimisslim, no one is attempting top distort the meaning of the verses 5:32 and 5:33 but I am giving the verses its true meaning by placing it back in context of the total Koran. It is a shame that so many Muslims have been misguided in the interpretation of the verses in order to glorify the interpretation of its meanings. Such ignorance is biased and inexcusable but it is obvious that most Muslims posting here have a similar misconception. Let me illustrate:

      Quran 5:32 Mohsin Khan: Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land [i.e., those who speak against Islam will be regarded as “spreading mischief in the land” i.e., infidels, blasphemers, Islamophobes] – it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allah by committing the major sins) in the land!.

      [****Clearly the person referred to is not a Muslim but non- Muslims were not the intention of exemption since they are against the word of Allah and so are mischief makers. THIS IS THE CRUX OF THE INTERPRETATION. Quotations below will show that your interpretation of out of the context of the Quran because 537 other Quranic verses contradicts your claims and condemns all non-Muslims.]

      Quran 5:33 Mohsin Khan: The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed [This verifies that those who do mischief in the land can be killed are infidels, Jew, Christians and non-Muslims] or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on the opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter.

      [Clearly it is apparent that Jews, Christians and non-Muslims are therefore not part of mankind. That clearly infers that Mankind only includes the people of Islam.So killing of infidels is legitimate by Muslims.]

      The reason I say that your interpretations of 5:32 are out of context of the rest of the Quran is because of the total “intolerance of Islam for all non-Muslims.”

      At the risk of boring all of you, I feel that it is important for me to portray the ambience of the Quran to show that it has little or no tolerance for non-Muslims. You will find 537 Quranic verses of Intolerance of all non0-Muslims as follows:

      Intolerance in the Quran
      They who deny Our revelations and scorn them, for them the gates of heaven will nor be opened. … Theirs will be a bed of hell–7:40-41

      The Quran, virtually on every page, is a manifesto for religious intolerance. — Sam Harris

      “Show us the straight path, The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray.”
      Muslims generally interpret “those whom Allah has favored,” “those who earn Allah’s anger,” and “those who go astray” as Muslims, Jews, and Christians, respectively. 1:6-7
      Don’t bother warning the disbelievers. Allah has made it impossible for them to believe so that he can torture them forever after they die. 2:6-7
      Allah has sickened the hearts of disbelievers and increased their disease. He is a spiritual anti-doctor. 2:10
      Allah has blinded the disbelievers. “Allah taketh away their light and leaveth them in darkness, where they cannot see, Deaf, dumb and blind.” 2:17-18
      If you try to compose a surah that is better than those in the Quran, and then fail, Allah will burn you forever if you in the fire that he has prepared for disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 2:24 < They who disbelieve, and deny Our revelations, such are rightful Peoples of the Fire. They will abide therein." 2:39
      Allah stamped wretchedness upon the Jews because they killed the prophets and disbelieved Allah's revelations. 2:61
      Allah turned Sabbath-breaking Jews into apes to be despised and hated. All modern Jews are descendants of apes (or all modern apes are descendants of Sabbath-breaking Jews). 2:65-66
      Christians and Jews (who believe in only part of the Scripture), will suffer in this life and go to hell in the next. 2:85
      "Allah has cursed them for their unbelief."
      Because I disbelieve in his bullshit, Allah has cursed me, along with nearly six billion other non-Muslims. 2:88
      The curse of Allah is on disbelievers. 2:89
      "They have incurred anger upon anger. For disbelievers is a shameful doom." 90
      Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They'd like to live 1000 years. But even that "would by no means remove the doom." 2:96
      ***Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers. 2:98
      Allah has revealed "clear tokens." Only evil people are disbelievers. 2:99
      "For disbelievers is a painful doom." 2:104
      Don't question anything Muhammed says or choose disbelief over faith. 2:108
      The Jews and Christians know damn well that the Muslims are right, so they try to make Muslims disbelievers because they envy the truth that they know the Muslims have. 2:109
      "But those who keep their duty to Allah will be above them [non-muslims] on the Day of Resurrection." 2:212
      ***Allah will make disbelievers' lives miserable in this world and torture them forever after they die. 2:114
      "And thou wilt not be asked about the owners of hell-fire." (They are the non-muslims.) 2:119
      Disbelievers are losers. 2:121
      Allah will leave the disbelievers alone for a while, but then he will compel them to the doom of Fire. 2:126
      "Who forsaketh the religion of Abraham save him who befooleth himself?"
      Cited in the Hamas Charter (Article 27) to condemn the idea of a secular state. 2:130
      Allah will curse those who "hide the proofs and the guidance" that he revealed. But how can you hide things that don't exist? There are no proofs anywhere in the Quran and whatever guidance is there is almost always bad. 2:159
      ***Those who disbelieve in the Quran, for whatever reason, are cursed by Allah, the angels, and men combined. So every good Muslim must join Allah and the angels in cursing nonbelievers. 2:161
      The doom of the disbelievers will not be lightened. 2:162
      "Those who disbelieve [are] Deaf, dumb, blind, therefore they have no sense." 2:171
      Those who hide the Scripture will have their bellies eaten with fire. Theirs will be a painful doom. 2:174
      How constant are they in their strife to reach the Fire! 2:175
      If someone murders your slave, then you get to kill one of his. If it was a male that was killed, you kill one of the killer's male slaves. If a female, you kill a female. Murder for murder. Slave for slave. It all works out swell with Allah's wondrous rules. (Oh, and if you don't follow them, you'll have the usual painful doom.) 2:178
      *****Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2
      *****Allah says that you must keep fighting until there is no more persecution and everyone on earth is a Muslim. Then you can stop killing people. 2:193a
      *****But if there are any wrong-doers around after you've killed off all the disbelievers, persecutors and aggressors, then you'll have to kill them too. 2:193b
      Those who fail in their duty to Allah are proud and sinful. They will all go to hell. 2:206
      "But those who keep their duty to Allah will be above them [non-muslims] on the Day of Resurrection." 2:212
      *****War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216
      *****It's you and your religion against them and theirs. They won't stop fighting until they make you a "renegade from your religion" and if they succeed in that so you die in disbelief, Allah will burn you forever in the Fire. 2:217
      Intermarriage is forbidden. 2:221
      *****"The disbelievers, they are the wrong-doers." 2:254
      Disbelievers worship false gods. The will burn forever in the Fire. 2:257
      Allah does not guide disbelievers. 2:264
      "Give us victory over the disbelieving folk." 2:286
      Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. 3:4
      *****Those who disbelieve will be fuel for the Fire. 3:10
      Those who disbelieve shall be overcome and gathered unto Hell. 3:12
      Non-muslims will be punished by Allah for their nonbelief. 3:19
      "If they surrender, then truly they are rightly guided, and if they turn away, then it is thy duty only to convey the message."
      (The message for those who won't surrender is "you're going to hell.") 3:20
      Those who disbelieve, promise them a painful doom. 3:21
      "They [Christians and Jews] say: The Fire will not touch us save for a certain number of days. That which they used to invent hath deceived them regarding their religion." (The Fire will burn them forever.) 3:24
      Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. 3:28
      Allah loveth not the disbelievers. 3:32
      Allah will punish disbelievers in this world and the next. They will have no helpers. 3:56
      Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim. 3:73
      "Allah will neither speak to them nor look upon them on the Day of Resurrection, nor will He make them grow. Theirs will be a painful doom." 3:77
      All non-Muslims will be rejected by Allah after they die. 3:85
      *****Apostates will be cursed by Allah, angels, and men. They will have a painful doom. 3:86-88
      Disbelievers will have a painful doom. And they will have no helpers. 3:91
      Disbelievers will have their faces blackened on the last day. They will face an awful doom. 3:105-6
      Why does Allah like Muslims so much? Because they are the best people on earth, they behave themselves, forbid indecency, and believe in Allah. Allah loves people who believe in him. (Most Non-muslims are "evil-livers.") 3:110
      Those who disbelieve will be burnt in the Fire. 3:116
      Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you. 3:118
      The Fire is prepared for disbelievers. 3:131
      Give us victory over the disbelieving folk. 3:147
      Do not obey disbelievers. 3:149
      *****We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire 3:151
      "Is one who followeth the pleasure of Allah as one who hath earned condemnation from Allah, whose habitation is the Fire?"
      *****Unbelievers will burn forever in the Fire. 3:162
      Theirs will be an awful doom. 3:176
      Disbelievers do not harm Allah, but will have a painful doom. 3:177
      Disbelievers will have a shameful doom. 3:178
      *****Disbelievers will go to Hell. 3:196
      *****Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will be burnt with fire and suffer a painful doom. 4:14
      For the disbelievers and those who make a last-minute conversion, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 4:18
      For disbelievers, We prepare a shameful doom. 4:37
      Those who …believe not in Allah nor the Last Day" will face a shameful doom. 4:38
      "Allah knoweth best (who are) your enemies." 4:45
      "Allah has cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not." 4:46
      *****Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes, as he did the Sabbath-breakers. (See 2:65-66) 4:47
      Those who ascribe a partner to Allah (like Christians do with Jesus and the Holy Spirit) will not be forgiven. They have "invented a tremendous sin." 4:48, 4:116
      Allah curses those that invent lies about him, believe in idols and false deities, claim to be more rightly guided, or whatnot (like the Christians and Jews). 4:50-52
      Apostates are going to hell. 4:55
      Unbelievers will be tormented forever with fire. When their skin is burned off, a fresh skin will be provided. 4:56
      Oppose those that refuse to obey. 4:60-63
      The hypocrites refuse to die for Allah and Muhammad. 4:66
      Those who obey Allah and Muhammad are favored by Allah. They are the best company. 4:69
      Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars. 4:74
      Believers fight for Allah; disbelievers fight for the devil. So fight the minions of the devil. 4:76
      "Whoso obeyeth the messenger hath obeyed Allah, and whoso turneth away: We have not sent thee as a warder over them." 4:80
      "So fight (O Muhammad) in the way of Allah … Allah will restrain the might of those who disbelieve."
      *****So fight for Allah. Allah will always rig the battle so that Muslims will defeat non-Muslims. 4:84
      Allah casts the hypocrites back to disbelief. Don't try to guide those that Allah sends astray. 4:88
      *****Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89
      *****If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. *****Against such you are given clear warrant. 4:91
      Believers shouldn't kill believers, unless by mistake. If you kill a believer by mistake, you must set free a believing slave. 4:92
      *****Believers who kill believers will go to hell. 4:93
      After non-Muslims die, they will make excuses for their unbelief — like saying that they were oppressed. Then the angels will ask them, "Why didn't you move to another country?" But the angels won't wait for an answer. They'll just take them all to hell. 4:97
      The disbelievers are an open enemy to you. 4:101
      For the disbelievers, Allah has prepared a shameful punishment. 4:102
      Relent not in pursuit of the enemy. They have no hope from Allah. 4:104
      "Plead not on behalf of (people) who deceive themselves. Lo! Allah loveth not one who is treacherous and sinful." 4:107
      Those who oppose the messenger and become unbelievers will go to hell. 4:115
      They (those who ascribe partners to Allah) invoke in his stead only females and pray to Satan. 4:117
      Allah will lead them astray, arouse desires in them, and they will go to hell. 4:119-121
      Those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe and disbelieve again will never be forgiven by Allah. 4:137
      For the hypocrites there will be a painful doom. 4:138
      Stay away from nonbelievers who mock your beliefs or Allah will treat you like them. (He'll torture you forever in hell after you die.) 4:140a
      Allah will gather hypocrites and disbelievers into hell. 4:140b
      Allah will not allow disbelievers to succeed against believers. 4:141
      *****Do not choose disbelievers as friends. 4:144
      The hypocrites will be in the lowest part of hell and no one will help them there. 4:145
      You must believe everything Allah and his messengers tell you. Those who don't are disbelievers and will face a painful doom. 4:150-151
      For the wrongdoing Jews, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 4:160-1
      Allah will guide disbelievers down the road to hell. 4:167-169
      Those who deny Islam will be losers in the Hereafter. 5:5
      Disbelievers are the rightful owners of Hell. 5:10
      *****Allah has cursed the Jews and hardened their hearts. Nearly all of them are treacherous. 5:12-13
      Allah has stirred up enmity and hatred among Christians. 5:14
      Christians are disbelievers for believing in the divinity of Christ. 5:17
      *****Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. 5:33
      Disbelievers will have a painful doom. 5:36
      Disbelievers will want to come out of the Fire, but will not. Their will be a lasting doom. 5:37
      Cut off the hands of thieves. It is an exemplary punishment from Allah. 5:38
      Allah makes some people sin. He will not cleanse their hearts. They will have ignominy in this world, and in the Hereafter an awful doom. 5:41
      Non-muslims are wrong doers. 5:45
      *****Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them. 5:51
      Jews and Christians are losers. 5:53
      Allah could replace nonbelievers with believers who would love him and do whatever he says. 5:54
      Your only friends should be Allah, Muhammad, and those who believe correctly (Muslims). 5:55
      Don't choose Jews, Christians, or disbelievers as guardians. 5:57
      *****Jews and Christians are evil-livers. 5:59
      Evil is the handiwork of the rabbis and priests. 5:63
      Allah has cast enmity and hatred among the Jews. 5:64
      Allah does not guide disbelievers. 5:67
      The Jews rejected and killed Allah's prophets, since "they were wilfully blind and deaf." 5:70-71
      *****Christians will be burned in the Fire. 5:72
      Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom. 5:73
      Muslims that make friends with disbelievers will face a doom prepared for them by Allah. 5:80
      *****"Thou wilt find the most vehement of mankind in hostility to those who believe to be the Jews." 5:82
      Disbelievers will be owners of hell-fire. 5:86
      Allah will test believers to see if they are afraid. Those who fail a second test will suffer a a painful doom. 5:94
      After agreeing to send down a table of food from heaven, Jesus warns his disciples that will catch holy hell if they ever stop believing. 5:115
      Those who deny the truth of Islam will be punished by Allah. 6:5
      "See the nature of the consequence for the rejecters!" 6:11
      "Those who ruin their souls will not believe." 6:12, 20
      Disbelievers will say when they see the Fire that they would have believed if they had known the truth. But they are all liars. 6:27-28
      Allah will torment those how deny his revelations. 6:49
      Stay away from those who "meddle with" or mock the Quran. 6:68
      Those who disbelieve will be forced to drink boiling water, and will face a painful doom. 6:70
      When nonbelievers die, the angels will deliver to them doom and degradation. 6:93
      Stay away from idolaters. 6:106
      Allah confounds the hearts and eyes of unbelievers. 6:110
      Most unbelievers are ignorant. 6:111
      Allah allows some to disbelieve in the afterlife, and to take pleasure in their disbelief, so that he can torment them forever after they die. 6:113
      The worst thing anyone can do is deny the revelations of Allah. Those who do so will be awared an evil doom. 6:157
      *****Disbelievers lose their souls. 7:9
      Allah has made devils the protecting friends of disbeliveers. 7:27
      Disbelievers choose devils as protecting friends and believe they are rightly guided. 7:30
      Only believers go to heaven. 7:32
      Allah forbids beliefs that he hasn't revealed (i.e., all non-muslim beliefs). 7:33
      Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire. 7:36
      Disbelief is the greatest evil. 7:37
      Disbelievers will be excluded from heaven. Theirs will be a bed of hell. 7:40-41
      Those in the fire will be taunted by those in the Garden. "So how's it going down there? Are you enjoying the warmth of the Fire?" 7:44
      Those in the Fire will cry out to those in heaven, saying: "Pour water on us." But Allah has forbidden that to disbelievers. 7:50
      Those who forget Allah will be forgotten (sent to hell) on Judgement Day. 7:51
      Serve Allah or go to hell. 7:59
      Allah drowned everyone on earth (except Noah and his family) because they disbelieved. 7:64
      Disbelievers are liars. 7:66
      Those who believe incorrectly will face the terror and wrath of Allah. 7:71
      "We cut the root of those who denied Our revelations and were not believers." 7:72
      Allah killed the disbelievers with an earthquake. 7:78
      Allah killed everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah except Lot and his daughters.
      7:83-84
      "So the earthquake seized them."
      Allah killed the disbelievers with an earthquake. 7:90-91
      "Then We seized them unawares, when they perceived not."
      Unbelievers are never safe from Allah's wrath. 7:95-99
      "How can I sorrow for a people that rejected (truth)?"
      Shu'eyb tells the Allah's victims that they deserved to die for rejecting Islam. 7:93
      "We drowned them in the sea: because they denied Our revelations." 7:136
      Allah will destroy non-muslim cultures. 7:138-9
      "Those who deny Our revelations and the meeting of the Hereafter, their works are fruitless." 7:147
      Those who worship the calf will suffer terror and humiliation from Allah. 7:152
      "Those who believe in him, and honour him, and help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him: they are the successful." 7:157
      "But those of them who … changed the word … We sent down upon them wrath from heaven." 7:162
      "When they forgot that whereof they had been reminded, We … visited [them] with dreadful punishment." 7:165
      Allah turns Jews into apes! 7:166
      Allah will punish the disbelieving Jews until the Day of Resurrection. 7:167
      Those who deny Muhammad's revelations are like dogs. 7:176
      Those who deny Muhammad's revelation are evil. 7:177
      Stay away from those who blaspheme Allah's names. They will be punished for it. 7:180
      Allah leads astray those who deny his revelations. 7:182-3
      "Allah … cut the root of the disbelievers."
      *****Allah destroyed the unbelievers. 8:7
      Allah will throw fear into the hearts of the disbelievers, and smite their necks and fingers. 8:12
      Disbelievers will be tormented in the Fire. 8:14
      When you fight with disbelievers, do not retreat. Those who do will go to hell. 8:15-16
      Those that the Muslims killed were not really killed by them. It was Allah who did the killing. 8:17
      "The worst of beasts in Allah's sight are the deaf, the dumb, who have no sense [the non-muslims]." 8:22
      Taste of the doom because ye disbelieve. 8:35
      Those who disbelieve will be gathered into hell. 8:36
      *****Fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. 8:39
      The angels smite the face and backs of disbelievers, saying: "Taste the punishment of burning!" 8:50
      The worst beasts in Allah's sight are the disbelievers. 8:55
      Don't let the disbelievers think they can escape. They are your enemy and the enemy of Allah. 8:59-60
      Exhort the believers to fight. They will win easily, because disbelievers are without intelligence. 8:65
      A prophet may not take captives until he has made a slaughter in the land. 8:67
      Disbelievers cause confusion and "corruption in the land." 8:73
      "Ye cannot escape Allah. Allah will confound the disbelievers." 9:2
      Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve. 9:3
      *****Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. 9:5
      Those who submit and convert to Islam will be treated well. (Those who don't submit will be killed. See previous verse.) 9:6
      Don't make treaties with non-Muslims. They are all evildoers and should not be trusted. 9:7-9
      *****Treat converts to Islam well. (Kill those who refuse to convert. See 9:5) 9:11
      Fight the disbelievers! Allah is on your side; he will give you victory. 9:12-14
      Don't let idolaters tend the sanctuaries. Their works are in vain and they will be burned in the Fire. 9:17
      Don't be friends with with your disbelieving family members. Those who do so are wrong-doers. 9:23
      Allah punished those who disbelieved. 9:26
      Only idolaters are unclean. Keep them away from your places of worship. 9:28
      Fight against Christians and Jews "until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low." 9:29
      *****Christians and Jews are perverse. Allah himself fights against them. 9:30
      The "Religion of Truth" (Islam) must prevail, by force if necessary, over all other religions. 9:33
      Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to the rich and greedy Christian monks and Jewish rabbis. 9:34
      Allah does not guide the disbelievers. 9:37
      Fight for Allah with your wealth and whatever weapons are available to you. 9:41
      Those who refuse to fight for Allah (claiming they are unable) are liars who have destroyed their souls. 9:42
      Disbelievers go to hell. 9:49
      "Allah will afflict you with a doom from Him or at our hands." 9:52
      Pay your contribution willingly. Allah will not accept a contribution from disbelievers or idlers. 9:53
      Those who vex the Prophet, for them there is a painful doom. 9:60
      Allah is only pleased by true believers. 9:62
      *****Those who oppose Allah and His messenger will burn in the fire of hell. 9:63
      Allah promises hypocrites and disbelievers the fire of hell. Allah curses them. They will have a lasting torment. 9:68
      Fight the disbelievers and hypocrites. Be harsh with them. They are all going to hell anyway. 9:73
      Allah will afflict disbelievers with a painful doom in this world and the Hereafter. 9:74
      God will not forgive disbelievers, so don't ask. 9:80
      Those who refuse to give their wealth and lives to Allah will face the fire of hell. 9:81-83
      Don't pray for dead disbelievers or attend their funerals. 9:84
      Those who refuse to fight for Allah will be treated (along with their children) as unbelievers. 9:85
      For disbelievers there will be a painful doom. 9:90
      Non-muslim who pretend to believe (so they won't be killed by Muslims) are unclean and will go to hell. 9:95
      The unbelieving Arabs will be punished by Allah with an evil fortune. 9:97-98
      "We shall chastise them twice; then they will be relegated to a painful doom." 9:101
      Stay away from non-Muslims. They are all liars. 9:107
      Those that ignore Allah will be thown into the fire of hell. 9:109
      Believers must fight for Allah. They must kill and be killed , and are bound to do so by the Torah, Gospel, and Quran. But Allah will reward them for it. 9:111
      Don't pray for idolaters (not even for your family) after it is clear they are people of hell-fire. 9:113
      Abraham disowned his father for being an enemy of Allah. 9:114
      Fight disbelievers who are near you, and let them see the harshness in you. 9:123
      Disbelievers are wicked and have diseased hearts. 9:125
      Allah turns away those who misunderstand him. 9:127
      Disbelievers will have a boiling drink and a painful doom. 10:4
      If you enjoy life and ignore Muhammad's bullshit, Allah will torture you forever in the Fire after you die. 10:7-8
      Allah has destoyed entire generations. 10:13
      *****Denying the revelations of Allah is the worst sin imaginable. 10:17
      "Ignominy overtaketh them – They have no protector from Allah – as if their faces had been covered with a cloak of darkest night. Such are rightful owners of the Fire." 10:27
      On the last day Allah will kill all the disbelievers (and then he will torture them forever in hell). 10:45
      Those who disbelieved will face a dreadful doom. 10:70
      Allah drowned those who disbelieved his revelations. 10:73
      Moses asked Allah to harden the hearts of the Egyptians so that they would not believe until they saw the painful doom. 10:88
      If you deny the revelations of Allah, you will be among the losers and will "see the painful doom." 10:95-97
      Disbelievers will end up in the Fire. 11:17
      Those who oppose Islam and disbelieve in the Hereafter are guilty of the greatest wrong. 11:18-19
      Allah sent a lasting doom on those who mocked Noah. 11:39
      Those who drowned in the flood were disbelievers. 11:42
      Allah will send a painful doom on several nations. 11:48
      Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire 13:5
      Allah does not hear the prayer of disbelievers. 13:14
      Those who do not answer Allah's call will go to hell. 13:18
      Allah leads disbelievers astry while he torments them in this life. Then afterh they die, he makes them uffer even more pain in the doom of the Hereafter. 13:33-34
      The reward for disbelievers is the Fire. 13:35
      Woe unto the disbelievers. Theirs will be an awful doom. 14:2
      "Lo! for wrong-doers is a painful doom." 14:22
      "They set up rivals to Allah that they may mislead (men) from His way. Say: Enjoy life (while ye may) for lo! your journey's end will be the Fire." 14:30
      Let the disbelievers enjoy life and let false hope beguile them. They will come to know! 15:2-3
      *****"The disbelievers would not be tolerated." 15:8
      Iblis will lead humans astray. Only perfect Muslims will be safe from him. The rest will go to hell. 15:39-43
      Those who don't believe in the Hereafter are proud. 16:22
      Allah made a roof fall in to kill unbelievers. "And the doom came on them whence they knew not." 16:26
      Disbelievers are evil and will dwell in hell forever. 16:27-29
      Disbelievers are liars. 16:39
      Theirs will be the Fire, and they will be abandoned." 16:62
      "Theirs will be a painful doom." 16:63
      Allah will add doom to doom for those who disbelieve. 16:88
      Those who oppose Islam will face an awful doom. 16:94
      Those who loose their faith in Islam will face an awful doom. Allah's wrath is upon them. 16:106
      Those who invent lies against Allah will have a painful doom. 16:116-7
      Allah made hell to be a dungeon for disbelievers. 17:8
      Allah has prepared a painful doom for those who disbelieve in the Hereafter. 17:10
      Allah destroyed entire towns. 17:16
      How many generations Allah has destroyed since Noah! 17:17
      Allah intends to burn people in hell. 17:18
      "Set not up with Allah any other god, lest thou be cast into hell." 17:39
      Allah makes it so that unbelievers cannot understand. 17:45-46
      Allah will send disbelievers astray. Then he'll burn them in hell, increasing the flames from time to time. 17:97-98
      "He maketh none to share in His government."
      Democracy is heresy. Allah shares his government with no one. 18:26
      Allah has prepared a Fire for the disbelievers. When they want a shower, Allah will give them a shower of molten lead to burn their faces. 18:29
      Christians will cry out to Allah's "partners", but they won't hear them; Allah will send them to their doom. 18:52
      The worst wrong is to forget Allah's revelations. Allah covers their hearts and makes them deaf so that they will never believe the truth. 18:57
      On a certain day, Allah will present hell, in plain view, to the disbelievers. 18:100
      Allah will welcome the disbelievers into hell. 18:102
      The good works of disbelievers are all in vain. They will go to hell anyway. 18:104-105
      Hell is the reward for disbelievers because they made a jest of Allah's revelations and messengers. 18:106
      "Woe unto the disbelievers from the meeting of an awful Day."
      Jesus was not the Son of God. Those who say he was (Christians) are going to hell. 19:35-37
      Allah will pluck out from every sect those who should burn in hell. 19:69-70
      Allah will prolong the lives of non-believers so they can see their punishment, either in this world or in the Hour of doom. 19:75
      Allah will record what disbelievers say and then prolong their torment. 19:77-79
      Allah has sent the devils on the disbelievers to confuse them. 19:83
      Allah will "drive the guilty unto hell, a weary herd." 19:86
      Lo! it hath been revealed unto us that the doom will be for him who denieth and turneth away." 20:48
      Those who do not believe Allah's revelations will face doom in the Hereafter. 20:127
      Allah destroyed entire towns, yet the people still disbelieved. 21:6
      "And one of them who should say: Lo! I am a god beside Him, that one We should repay with hell." 21:29
      Disbelievers will not be able to put out the fire on their faces and backs. They will be stupefied and no one will help them. 21:39-40
      The disbelievers will stare in terror at what Allah has in store for them. 21:97-99
      "He who disputeth concerning Allah without knowledge or guidance or a scripture giving light, Turning away in pride to beguile (men) from the way of Allah. For him in this world is ignominy, and on the Day of Resurrection We make him taste the doom of burning."
      Those who turn from the way of Allah will face ignominy in this world and the doom of burning in the next. 22:8-9
      Whoever thinks that Allah will not give Muhammad victory should go hang himself. 22:15
      Disbelievers will wear garments of fire, boiling fluid will be poured on their heads, their bellies and skin will be melted, they will be tormented with iron hooks, and when they try to escape they will be driven back with the taunt: Taste the doom of burning. 22:19-22
      Allah will provide the disbelievers with a painful doom. 22:25
      Those who disregard Allah's revelations are the owners of the Fire. 22:51
      "Those who disbelieve will not cease to be in doubt thereof until the Hour come upon them unawares, or there come unto them the doom of a disastrous day." 22:55
      Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will have a shameful doom. 22:57
      Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will burn in the Fire. 22:72
      Those who don't believe in the Hereafter will receive extreme punishment from Allah. 23:74-77
      Disbelievers will not be successful. 23:117
      Those who traduce virtuous, believing women … cursed are they in the world and the Hereafter. Theirs will be an awful doom." 24:23
      Disbelievers are miscreants. 24:55
      Disbelievers will never escape the Fire that will be their home. 24:57
      The only true believers are those who believe in Allah and his messenger. 24:62
      Those who deny the coming of the Hour will be chained together and burned with fire. They will pray for their own destruction. 25:11-13
      It will be a hard day for disbelievers and wrong-doers. They will gnaw on their hands and wish they had chosen Islam. 25:26-27
      Those who deny Muhammad's revelations will be destroyed. 25:36
      Allah drowned everyone in the flood of Noah, and has prepared a painful doom for evil-doers. 25:37
      "They [the non-muslims] will know, when they behold the doom, who is more astray as to the road." 25:42
      Don't obey disbelievers. But rather fight against them. 25:52
      "The disbeliever was ever a partisan against his Lord." 25:55
      Those who cry out to another god with Allah will be tormented doubly in hell. 25:68-69
      Many will not believe until they see the painful doom. 26:201
      Those who believe in another god are doomed. 26:213
      Stay away from poets. The erring follow them. 26:224
      Allah leads those who do not believe in the Hereafter astray by making things work out OK in this life, so that he can torment them forever in the next. They will get the worst punishment and will be the greatest losers. 27:4-5
      But he "saved those who believed." 27:53
      Allah will taunt Christians on the day of their doom, saying: Where are My partners whom ye imagined? 28:62-64
      Never help disbelievers. 28:86
      Those who disbelieve in the revelations of Allah have no hope of mercy. For such there is a painful doom. 29:23
      "Ye have chosen only idols instead of Allah … on the Day of Resurrection ye will deny each other and curse each other, and your abode will be the Fire, and ye will have no helpers." 29:25
      Only wrong-doers deny the revelations of Allah. 29:49
      Those who disbelieve in the revelations of Allah are the losers. 29:52
      The doom of hell will come upon disbelievers suddenly, when they least expect it. 29:53-55
      The worst thing you can do is tell a lie about Allah. Hell is the home of disbelievers. 29:68
      When the Hour comes, Christians will be divided into two groups: Those who believed Allah's revelations, and those who disbelieved in them. The believers will be happy in the Garden; the disbelievers will be brought to doom. 30:13-16
      Allah does not love disbelievers. 30:45
      Allah seals the heart of disbelievers. (And then he burns them in the Fire.) 30:59
      Those who mislead others from Allah's way and mock Islam will have a painful doom. 31:6-7
      Allah will give disbelievers a little comfort for a little while, and then he'll torment them forever with a heavy doom. 31:23-24
      Allah will fill hell with the jinn and mankind together. 32:13
      Allah: Taste the doom of immortality because of what ye used to do. 32:14
      Those who used to deny the Fire will be tormented in it forever. 32:20
      The worst thing you can do is to deny the revelations of Allah. 32:22
      Don't obey disbelievers. 33:1
      He hath prepared a painful doom for the unfaithful." 33:8
      Allah makes the deeds of unbelievers fruitless. 33:19
      Allah cast panic into the hearts of the disbelievers. He killed some, and enslaved others. 33:25-26
      Ignore disbelievers and their poisonous talk. 33:48
      Those who malign Allah, Muhammad, and Muslims will be cursed by Allah in this life and with doom in the Hereafter. 33:57
      Those who oppose Islam will be slain with a fierce slaughter. 33:60-61
      Allah has cursed the disbelievers, and has prepared for them a flaming fire, wherein they will abide forever. 33:64-65
      T"On the day when their faces are turned over in the Fire, they say: Oh, would that we had obeyed Allah and had obeyed His messenger!"
      When Allah burns the faces of disbelievers in the Fire, they'll wish they had obeyed Muhammad and Allah. 33:66
      Those who challenge the revelations of Muhammad will have a painful doom. 34:5
      "They are filled with remorse when they behold the doom; and We place carcans on the necks of those who disbelieved." 34:33
      Those who disbelieve in the Hereafter will be tormented. 34:8
      Those who strive against Allah's revelations will be brought to the doom. 34:38
      Allah hates those who ignore his messengers. 34:45
      Those who ignore Allah's messenger (Muhammed) will face a terrific doom. 34:46
      Those who are cast into hell be terrified when they see that they have no escape. Then they will believe. But it will be too late. 34:51-52
      Those who disbelieve will have an awful doom. 35:7
      Allah hates disbelievers. 35:26
      Disbelievers will burn forever in the fire of hell. Allah will keep them alive so that he can torture them forever. When they repent and ask for mercy, he will ignore them. 35:36-7
      He who disbelieves, his disbelief be on his own head. 35:39
      Allah has blinded the disbelievers so that they cannot see the truth. So it don't bother warning them. They will go to hell anyway. 36:8-10
      Allah will burn the disbelievers in hell. 36:63-4
      Those who refuse to believe in Muhammad's revelations will face a painful doom. 37:31-38
      If you're not favored by Allah, you're doomed. 37:57
      Allah drowned everyone except Noah and his family in the flood. 37:82
      Only the "single-minded slaves of Allah" will be saved from the doom. 37:127-8
      Allah killed everyone in Sodom except for Lot and his family. 37:136
      No one is against Allah, except those who burn in hell. 37:162-3
      Just wait a while and watch. The unbelievers will soon be destroyed in the doom. 37:176-9
      Those who disbelieve are in false pride and schism. 38:2
      Allah has destroyed many generations. 38:3
      Those who doubt will soon taste Allah's doom. 38:8
      Those who deny the messengers deserve doom. 38:14
      Those who wander from the way of Allah will have an awful doom. 38:26
      Those who disbelieve will burn in the Fire. 38:27
      Tell the disbelievers to enjoy themselves now, because later they will be owners of the Fire. 39:8
      Those who disobey Allah should fear his doom. 39:13
      No one will be able to help those that Allah torments in the Fire. 39:19
      Woe unto those who forget Allah. They are in plain error. 39:22
      The doom will come upon those who deny what Allah has revealed. 39:25
      Allah will make non-believers "taste humiliation in the life of the world" and " the doom of the Hereafter" which will be even worse. 39:26
      The worst thing you can do is tell a lie against Allah. The home of disbelievers is hell. 39:32
      Surrender to Allah before he sends the doom upon you suddenly. 39:54-55
      Disbelievers had their chance to believe. They will all suffer in an endless doom. 39:56-59
      Those who lie about Allah will be sent to hell and will have their faces blackened. 39:60
      Losers are those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah. 39:63
      Those ascribe a partner to Allah (like the Christians) will be among the losers. 39:65
      Those who disbelieve will be driven into hell. 39:71-72
      Those who disbelieve are the owners of the Fire. 40:6
      Allah greatly abhors those who disbelieve. 40:10
      Those who ignore Allah's "clear proofs" will be seized and punished severely. 40:22
      Those in hell will beg to be relieved from the Fire's torment for just a day. But the prayer of a disbeliever is in vain. 40:49-50
      Those who bicker about Allah's revelations are filled with pride. 40:56
      Those who scorn Allah will go to hell. 40:60
      Those who deny the revelations of Allah are perverted. 40:63
      Those who deny the Scripture and Allah's messengers will be dragged through boiling water and thrust into the Fire. 40:70-72
      Allah will taunt the Christians in hell, saying: Where are all my parnters that you used to believe in? 40:73
      Thus does Allah send astray the disbelievers (in his guidance). 40:74
      Those who scorn will go to hell. 40:76
      When they see Allah's doom they will believe in Allah. But their faith will not save them. The disbelievers will be ruined. 40:84-85
      Woe unto the idolaters who disbelieve in the Hereafter. 41:6
      The enemies of Allah will be gathered into the Fire where their skin, ears, and eyes will testify against them. 41:19-20
      Non-muslims will be tormented forever in the Fire. Allah will not have any mercy on them. 41:24
      Allah will make those who disbelieve taste an awful doom. Their immortal home will be the Fire, since they denied Allah's revelations. 41:27-28
      "Lo! those who distort Our revelations are not hid from Us. Is he who is hurled into the Fire better?" 41:40
      Those who disbelieve will taste hard punishment. 41:50
      In whatsoever ye differ, the verdict therein belongeth to Allah."
      Disputes, whether religious or political, must be decided by Allah. Democracy is not an option. 42:10
      Those who argue about Allah will have his wrath upon them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 42:16
      "And as for disbelievers, theirs will be an awful doom." 42:26
      Allah sends some people astray and then punishes them for it by burning them in the Fire. 42:44-46
      Those who turn people away from Islam will "be sharers in the doom." 43:37-39
      "But they will come to know."
      Allah will torment disbelievers forever in hell. 43:88-89
      Those in torment will claim to believe and ask Allah for relief. But he will refuse since they will return to their disbelief. 44:11-16
      "He hath saved them [Muslims] from the doom of hell."
      (Everyone else is going to hell.) 44:56
      Those who hear and reject Allah's revelations are sinful liars. Give them tidings of a painful doom. 45:7-8
      Those who joke about Allah's revelations will go to hell. Theirs will be a shameful doom. 45:9-10
      Those who disbelieve in Allah's revelations will have a awful doom of wrath. 45:11
      Those who disbelieve are guilty folk. 45:31
      Disbelievers will be rewarded with the ignominious doom of the Fire. 46:20
      Serve only Allah or face the doom of a tremendous day. 46:21
      If you believe Muhammed, Allah will forgive some of your sins and protect you from the painful doom (that he plans to torture everyone else with). 46:31
      Allah will taunt the disbelievers that he torments in the fire, saying: "Taste the doom for that ye disbelieved." 46:34
      Allah makes the works of disbelievers vain. 47:1
      Those who disbelieve follow falsehood. 47:3
      Smite the necks of the disbelievers whenever you fight against them. Those who die fighting for Allah will be rewarded. 47:4
      Allah will damn the disbelievers and make all their actions fruitless. 47:8-9
      Disbelievers may eat and be happy now, but the Fire will be their final home. 47:12
      Those who turn away from Islam, and obey non-Muslims in some things, have been seduced by Satan. 47:25-26
      Angels will gather them together and smite their faces and backs. 47:27
      Allah will make the actions those who disbelieve fruitless. 47:32
      Those who disbelieve will never be pardoned by Allah. 47:34-35
      Those who think an evil thought concerning Allah will be cursed and sent to hell by him. 48:6
      Allah has prepared a flame for the disbelievers. 48:13
      If you refuse to fight for Allah, he will punish you with a painful doom. 48:16
      "Whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom." 48:17
      Allah punished those who disbelieved with a painful punishment. 48:25
      Allah will "cause it [Islam] to prevail over all religion." 48:28
      Those with Muhammad are ruthless toward disbelievers and merciful toward themselves. 48:29
      Allah will hurl those who believe in another god into a dreadful doom. 50:26
      Accursed are the conjecturers who ask: When is the Day of Judgment? It is the day they will be tormented by the Fire. 51:10-14
      "We left behind therein a portent for those who fear a painful doom." 51:37
      Woe to the disbelievers. 51:60
      Those who deny the existence of hell will be thrust into its Fire. 52:11-16
      "Their Lord hath warded off from them the torment of hell-fire."
      (Everyone else is going to hell — and the believers are all okay with that.) 52:18
      Those who disbelieve are trapped. 52:42
      Those who disbelieve in the afterlife give female names to angels. 53:27
      Those who disbelieve in the afterlife are only guessing and have no real knowledge. 53:29
      Stay away from non-Muslims, especially those who disbelieve in the afterlife. 53:29
      Allah sent a storm of stones on Lot's folk, killing all but Lot's family. 54:34
      The guilty deny hell. But after they die they go circling between it and fierce, boiling water. 55:43-44
      Those who deny Allah and the Hereafter will eat from the Zaqqum tree and drink boiling water. 56:51-54
      Allah will welcome the rejecters and erring with boiling water and a roasting in the hell fire. 56:92-94
      Those who disbelieve or doubt the revelations of Allah will be face the doom. 57:13-14
      The home of disbelievers is the Fire, a hapless journey's end. 57:15
      Those who disbelieve and deny Allah's revelations are the owners of the fire. 57:19
      For disbelievers is a painful doom. 58:4
      For disbelievers is a shameful doom. 58:5
      Those who disobey Muhammed will go to hell. 58:8
      Don't make friends with Allah's enemies. For those who do so, Allah has prepared a dreadful doom. 58:14-15
      Those who turn others away from the way of Allah will have a shameful doom. They are rightful owners of the Fire. 58:16-17
      Those who oppose Allah and His Messenger will be among the lowest. 58:20
      On the Last Day good Muslims will not love their non-Muslim friends and family members, not even their fathers, sons, or brothers (or their mothers, daughters, or sisters). 58:22
      Allah cast fear into the hearts of the disbelieving People of the Scripture. Their home in the Hereafter will be the Fire. 59:2-3
      "Whatsoever the messenger giveth you, take it. And whatsoever he forbiddeth, abstain (from it)."
      Do whatever Muhammad tells you to do. (Or you'll go to hell.) 59:7
      The disbelieving people of the Scripture are liars. 59:11
      The disbelievers fear the believers more than Allah. 59:13
      The devil and disbelievers will be in the Fire. 59:16-17
      The owners of the Garden and the owners of the Fire are not equal. 59:20
      Don't be friends with disbelievers. They are your (and Allah's) enemy. 60:1
      Abraham hated those who had religious beliefs that were different than his. So you should too. 60:5
      Don't be friends with those who have warred against you because of religion. Whoever makes friends with them is a wrong-doer. 60:9
      Don't be friends with those who disbelieve in the Hereafter. They are Allah's enemies. 60:13
      The worst thing you can do is tell a lie about Allah. 61:7
      Allah gave Muhammad the one true religion and sent him to conquer all other (false) religions. 61:9
      "O ye who believe! Shall I show you a commerce that will save you from a painful doom?" 61:10
      A hypocritical Jew looks like an ass carrying books. Those who deny the revelations of Allah are ugly. 62:5
      Allah seals the hearts of those who believe and then disbelieve so that they can understand nothing. 63:3
      Disbelievers are perverted. They are the enemy, confounded by Allah. 63:4
      Don't bother to ask Allah to forgive the disbelievers. He will never forgive them. 63:6
      "Might belongeth to Allah and to His messenger and to the believers." 63:8
      Those who disbelieve will have a painful doom. 64:5
      Those who disbelieve are the owners of the Fire. 64:10
      Be stern with disbelievers. They are going to Hell anyway. 66:9
      Disbelievers will go to hell where they will hear its roaring and boiling. 67:6-7
      Who will protect the disbelievers from a painful doom? (Nobody) 67:28
      Refuse to obey the "rejecters" (Non-Muslims?) who seek compromise 68:8-9
      Those who consider the Quran to be "mere fables" will be branded on the nose.68:15-16
      "Shall We then treat those who have surrendered (Muslims) as We treat the guilty (Non-Muslims)?" 68:35
      Those who do not believe in Allah will be chained up and cast into hell-fire where they will eat filth. 69:30-35
      Doom is about to fall on all disbelievers. Only worshippers (Muslims) and those who preserve their chastity (except with their wives and slave girls) will be spared from "the fires of hell" that are "eagar to roast." 70:1-30
      "Lo! the doom of their Lord is that before which none can feel secure" (except for maybe those who are fearful of it). 70:27-28
      Disbelievers will enter hell with frantic with fear, knowing they will be tortured forever by Allah. 70:36, 44
      Allah sent Noah to warn people about the painful doom he was planning to send. (It didn't work out well; Allah sent it anyway.) 71:1
      Noah asked Allah to drown all the disbelievers. 71:26
      The fires of hell will be fueled with the bodies of idolators and unbelievers. They will experience an ever-greater torment. 72:15-17
      Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will dwell forever in the fire of hell. 72:23
      Allah will take care of the deniers. He will tie them up, burn them in a raging fire, and feed them food that chokes them. 73:11-13
      The last day will be a day of anguish for disbelievers. 74:9-10
      Those who are stubborn to Allah's revelations will face a fearful doom. 74:16-17
      Allah has appointed angels to tend the Fire and has prepared stumbling blocks for those who disbelieve. He sends some people (whoever he wants) astray. 74:31
      Those who pay attention to this life and ignore the Hereafter will suffer forever in hell. 75:20-29
      Allah has prepared chains, manacles, and a raging fire for the disbelievers. 76:4
      Don't obey disbelievers. 76:24
      Woe unto the repudiators on that day! 77:19, 77:24, 77:28, 77:34, 77:40, 77:45, 77:49
      Depart unto that doom which ye used to deny." 77:29
      Those who deny the revelations given to Muhammed will burn forever in hell. 78:21-30
      "Lo! We warn you of a doom at hand, a day whereon a man will look on that which his own hands have sent before, and the disbeliever will cry: 'Would that I were dust!'" 78:40
      Those who rebel by choosing this life over the next will go to hell. 79:37-39
      Disbelievers are wicked people. On the last day they will be in darkness and have dust on their faces. 80:40-42
      Those who reject Allah's revelations will burn in hell. 83:10-17
      The disbelievers used to laugh at the believers. But the final laugh will be on them. 83:29-36
      Disbelievers will be given a painful doom. 84:22-24
      Those who persecute Muslims, without repenting, will burn in hell. 85:10
      Allah plots against non-Muslims. 86:16
      "Deal gently with them (non-Muslims) for a while. (How long is "a while"?) 86:17
      Allah will punish disbelievers with the direst punishment. 88:23-24
      Allah poured the disaster of His punishment upon those who rebelled against him. 89:11-13
      Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will have the Fire placed over them like an awning. 90:19-20
      Those who deny Allah's revelations must endure the flaming fire. 92:14-16
      Allah created humans to be "of best stature" but then reduced them "to the lowest of the low". Except for "those who believe and do good works." But what about those who don't believe but do good works? Are they the "lowest of the low"? 95:4-6
      Allah will grab those who deny His guidance by the forelock and call the guards of hell. 96:13-18
      Those who disbelieve will abide in the fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings. 98:6
      Only religious people help orphans or those in need. 107:1-3
      "I seek refuge … from the evil of malignant witchcraft."
      (Witchcraft is evil.) 113:4

      Comments:

      The 537 Quran verses listed above, proves the exclusivity of Islam and places Islam as a Totalitarian Supremacist Theocratic Political Doctrine that is inflexible and intolerant of all other religious beliefs. Any hopes of moderation of any such beliefs is impossible because the commands are the Word of Allah and no one on earth has the authority to alter a single of Allah's words or commands. Couple this with the 700 Biblical Intolerant verses, and you can understand why in 1400 years, there has never been a single compromise between Islam and Christianity. Those who hope for such compromise and moderation will have to wait another 1400 years to finally agree that it is an impossibility.

      • salimisslim@hotmail.com

        What make you think that Creating or “spreading mischief” refers to “those who speak against Islam” (“i.e. infidels, blasphemers, islamophobes”)? Nowhere in this verse are mentioned the words ‘infidels’, blasphemers or islamophobes. “Spreading mischief” simply means causing disorder in community, disruption of public peace, banditry, involving violence and bloodshed, and it refers to anybody. Not only disbelievers as you deceitfully try to makes us believe. Accordingly, the term “Mankind’ doesn’t refer only to Muslims, but rather to all human beings. The word ‘Nas’ means human beings. Muslims are part of human beings.

        As a matter of fact, Allah, The Almighty God, informed people either via Islam or via other divine religions that human life, any human life, is sacred and for this reason He deems saving a life a virtue, as supreme as saving all humankind (not only Muslims and Jews), and considers ending a life a crime as serious as killing all humankind, because a single human represents their species and humans are equal to each other. An unjustifiable murder of a person (i.e. without a legal justification) causes such actions to spread in the community, leads people and the community into disorder, chaos, and bloodshed.

        All religions, law and morality systems are in an agreement that an unjustifiable murder, ending a life is a serious crime, regardless of who committed that crime. The same goes for the Islam. “….And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden [to be killed] except by [legal] right. This has He instructed you that you may use reason.” Quran 6:151 (i.e. murder without legal justification is therefore forbidden, but the death penalty imposed by the state for a crime is permitted).

        Further you mentioned a long list of Verses and in doing so , you let your interpretive creativity run wild . Most of what you cited are ripped out of context and extremely distorted, which is very very strange. You blame others for taking the Verses out of context, but that’s exactly what you do. On that account, you seem to be contradicting yourself. We call this speaking with a double tongue and using double standards! Besides to ripping out of context, you keep distorting the meaning of those cited Verses all along.

        Take for example the Verse 2:191. You dangerously trimmed this Verse down to the following in order to suit your perception of Islam as ‘intolerant’, ‘evil’ and ‘harsh’. You appear to apply here what can be labelled as ‘cut and choose’ approach. Quote: “Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such as the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief , then don’t kill them)” .

        This is a blatant attempt to distort the meaning of the verse and hence mislead people about Islam. As a matter of fact and contrary to your interpretation, the full Verse , however, reads: “And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah (persecution and oppression) is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- îaram (The Sacred Mosque in Mecca) until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.” Quran 2:191

        The obvious question which rises here is “kill who?”. The answer lies within the Verse itself (which you only cited a part of it in order to suit your hatred of Islam and Moslims), The answer also lies in the surrounding verses.
        Within the verse, it is clear that the place in question is al-Masjid al- îaram (i.e. the Sacred Mosque in Mecca, not London, New York or Paris). The verse convey clearly self-defence (i.e. do not fight them until they fight you). There can be no doubt that Muslims (like anybody else) have a legitimate right to fight against aggression or when oppressed.

        The same goes for the surrounding verses, especially the one before and after the verse 2:191: “Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.” Quran 2:191. This verse mentions fighting also as a means of self defence (i.e. fight those who fight you). However, when the enemy ceases its hostility, Muslims are commanded to cease fighting: “And if they cease (desist), then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.” Qur’an 2:192

        The following Verse (2:193) which you interpret as “Allah says that you must keep fighting until there is no more persecution and everyone on earth is a Muslim”. The Verse, however, reads: “And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.” The verse mentions nothing about fighting till “everyone on earth is a Muslim”. Such interpretation exits only in your head.

        Let us also not forget that the Quran, the main source of all Islamic law, states that there is no compulsion in religion, that no one is to be forced into or out of any religion; it’s a person’s free choice. “Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error.” (2:256). “The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills – let him believe; and whoever wills – let him disbelieve ….” (the rest is irrelevant) (18:29). So, your insinuations has absolutely no ground.

        So, when the verses are examined in context, it is clear that nowhere does they sanction the killing of innocent people. From verse 2:190 to 2:195, when read, Allah makes it evident to fight those only who fight them, fighting in self-defence.

        For your knowledge by the way, these verses were revealed at a time when the Muslims had been expelled from their homes on account of their faith. They endured more than ten years of persecution and eventually had to flee to a safe land.

        The above verses were referring to the Arab pagans of Mecca during the Prophet’s time, who oppressed the Muslims and planned to attack them where the Muslims sought refuge.
        Hence, the above verses can only be applied in such circumstances.

        The same can be said about the Verses 8:59-60. To mislead us, you only mentioned these 2 verses, but you ignored the following one: “And if they incline to peace, then incline to it and trust in God; surely He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower.” Qur’an 8:61

        So, by reading the full (historical) context we see then that the verses in question were revealed in a war scenario. It’s very clear that the enemy at that time were the ones to start the war first, thus Allah commanded the Muslims to prepare to defend; but in the following verse Allah says that if the enemy wants peace, then you shall grant it to them.

        Another proof which reveals that Muslims 1400 yrs ago stuck to the ethics of war and peace(unlike the terror wars waged by the US and its closest ally Israel against innocent civilians in our days):

        Abu Bakr, Prophet Mohammad’s closest friend and first successor, spoke of the Islamic approach to war by highlighting the following. In the battlefield, one should not:
        – commit treachery
        – mutilate the dead
        – deviate from the right path
        – kill a woman, child or aged man
        – harm or burn trees, especially the fruitful
        – slay the enemy’s flock, except for food
        – harm those who devote their life to worship

        Besides, in the Islamic law of war, not just any civil engineer can declare or launch a war. It is the prerogative of the duly constituted leader of the Muslim community that engages in the war. Nowadays that would be the president or prime minister of the state, as advised by the mufti or national jurisconsult.

        Concerning your reference to the severe punishment that awaits the disbelievers in the hereafter: What’s wrong with that? That’s a matter between God and the misbehaving humans. There is no HUMAN agent in most of those verses. He chooses to do what He sees fit and it really is none of any human’s business. What does this have to do with human-afflicted punishment, or war or whatever? seriously?

        Concerning the Christians, Jews and others, this is what the Quran says about them: ““Permission to take up arms is given to those against whom war is made, because they have been wronged and Allah, indeed, has power to help them – those who have been driven out from their homes unjustly, only because they said: ‘Our Lord is Allah’ and if Allah had not repelled some people by means of others, cloisters and churches and synagogues and mosques, wherein the name of Allah is oft remembered, would surely have been destroyed.” (Quran 22:39-40)

        Permission to take up arms is only given to those ‘against whom war is made’ meaning in self defence only. Moreover, Muslims are told they must protect churches and synagogues before they even protect their own mosques. This was a true teaching of religious freedom and interfaith harmony which was taught by Quran and the only conditions under which war could be made. It may well be true that these teachings have been forgotten by a small minority of extremist Muslims, but that does not mean Islam is to blame in the same way
        Jesus/Christianity were not to blame for the crusades in medieval times.

        The Qur’an assures Christians and Jews of paradise if they believe and do good works. they need have no fear in the afterlife: “Surely they that believe, and those of Jewry, and the Christians, and those Sabeaans, whoso believes in God and the Last Day, and works righteousness–their wage waits them with their Lord, and no fear shall be on them, neither shall they sorrow.” Quran 5:69

        When speaking of the 7th-century situation in the Muslim city-state of Medina, which was at war with pagan Mecca, the Quran notes that the polytheists and some Arabian Jewish tribes were opposed to Islam, but then goes on to say: ” . . . and you will find the nearest in love to the believers [Muslims] those who say: ‘We are Christians.’ That is because amongst them are priests and monks, and they are not proud.” Quran 5:82

        Historically, Jews were expelled from Spain to find their refuge in the Arab lands. Jews, Christians and other minorities all lived there in peace side by side with Muslims.

        Considering the above, It appears to me that your biased interpretation of the Quran does not differ from the one held by ISIS, and other groups. It stems from frustration, extremisme, prejudice and hate and has nothing to do wit the real sense conveyed by the Quran when put in full (historical) context.

      • mbplee

        salimisslim, thank you for your lengthy reply. I reply by Quoting your last paragraph to you:

        Considering the above, It appears to me that your biased interpretation of the Quran does not differ from the one held by ISIS, and other groups. It stems from frustration, extremisme, prejudice and hate and has nothing to do wit the real sense conveyed by the Quran when put in full (historical) context.

        salimisslim, if you are right, then all the Jihadis martyrs of this world have got it wrong then. All the Jihadists have thus committed crimes in the eyes of Allah?

        2016[edit]
        Afghanistan January 1, 2016 – A Taliban suicide bomber detonated himself in a French restaurant called ‘Le Jardin’ in Kabul. 2 dead 15 injured.[204]
        India January 2, 2016 – In the 2016 Pathankot attack suspected Jaish-e-Mohammed militants attacked an Indian air base killing 7 security force members. Several injured.[205]
        Iraq January 3, 2016 – Five Islamist suicide bombers attack an Iraqi military base. 15 dead and 22 injured.[206]
        Afghanistan January 4, 2016 – A Militant drove a truck packed with explosives to the armored gates of a compound for civilian contractors near Kabul’s airport before detonating. 30 people injured, including children.[207]
        Libya January 7, 2016 – In the Zliten truck bombing Islamist militants detonated a truck bomb at the police training camp al-Jahfal in the coastal town of Zliten, Libya. 50+ dead 100+ wounded.[208]
        France January 7, 2016 – In the January 2016 Paris police station attack an Islamist from Morocco wearing a fake explosive belt attacked police officers with a meat cleaver. He was shot dead.[209]
        Libya January 7, 2016 – A car bombing at a checkpoint in the Libyan oil port of Ras Lanuf left seven people dead and 11 wounded.[210]
        Egypt January 8, 2016 – In the 2016 Hurghada attack two militants armed with a melee weapon and a signal flare stormed the Bella Vista Hotel. 3 injured.[211]
        France January 11, 2016 – A 15-year old Turkish ISIL supporter attacked a teacher from a Jewish school in Marseille with a machete. 1 injured.[212]
        Iraq January 11, 2016 – ISIL gunmen detonate suicide vests in a shopping mall, killing at least 20 and wounding more than 40 people.[213]
        Turkey January 12, 2016 – In the 2016 Istanbul bombing an ISIL suicide bomber kills 10 tourists and injures 15 more in the historical centre of Istanbul.[214]
        Indonesia January 14, 2016 – In the 2016 Jakarta attacks 4 assailants kill 2 and injure 24 in a terrorist attack in Jakarta. The attack was orchestrated and financed from ISIL in Syria.[215]
        Somalia January 15, 2016 – In the El Adde attack, Al-Shabaab terrorists attack a African Union Kenyan army base in El-Adde. 63+ killed, several injured.[216]
        Burkina Faso January 15, 2016 – In the 2016 Ouagadougou attack Islamist gunmen armed with heavy weapons attacked the Cappuccino restaurant and the Splendid Hotel in the heart of Ouagadougou, the capital of Burkina Faso. 20+ killed. 15+ injured.[217]
        Pakistan January 21, 2016 – At least 22 killed in attack on Bacha Khan University, Pakistan. The Taliban claim responsibility for the attack.[218]
        Somalia January 22, 2016 – Al-Shabab attack on beachside restaurant leaves 20 dead.[219]
        Cameroon January 25, 2016 – Suspected Boko Haram insurgents have blown themselves up in a market in Cameroon, killing at least 25 people and injuring 62 others.[220]
        Nigeria January 30, 2016 – Boko Haram gunmen raided a Nigerian village, at least 65 people were killed and 136 others injured.[221]
        Ivory Coast March 13, 2016 – In the 2016 Grand-Bassam shootings Al Qaeda gunmen stormed 3 hotels in the beach resort city of Grand-Bassam in the Ivory Coast, leaving 18 people dead.[222]
        Iraq March 20, 2016 – In Anbar, Iraq, ISIL suicide bombers kill at least 24 at municipal building[223]
        Belgium March 22, 2016 – 2016 Brussels bombings includes two suicide bombings in Brussels Airport and one bombing in Brussels Metro that resulted in 35 deaths and more than 300 wounded.[224]
        Yemen March 25, 2016 – Three ISIL suicide bombers strike security checkpoints in the Yemeni city of Aden, killing 26 people.[225][226]
        Iraq March 25, 2016 – 30 people killed and 95 injured after a suicide bomber blew himself up at a football stadium in Iskandariya, south of Baghdad. ISIL claimed responsibility for the attack.[227][228]
        Pakistan March 27, 2016 – The 2016 Lahore suicide bombing targeted Christians who had gathered on Easter in Gulshan-e-Iqbal Park. The blast, by Jamaat-ul-Ahrar, a Pakistani Taliban faction, killed at least 70 people and injured 300 others.[229][230]
        Afghanistan April 19, 2016 – The April 2016 Kabul attack targeted a security team responsible for protecting government VIPs in Kabul, Afghanistan. The attack killed 64 people and wounded 347. It was the Taliban’s biggest attack on an urban area since 2001.[231]
        Bangladesh April 23, 2016 – Attackers hacked a university professor to death in the city of Rajshahi, Bangladesh. ISIL claimed responsibility for the attack stating that they assassinated him “for calling to atheism in the city of Rajshahi in Bangladesh”.[232][233]
        Bangladesh April 25, 2016 – Two gays rights activists were hacked to death in the capital of Bangladesh, Dhaka. An Al-Qaeda affiliated group claimed responsibility for the attacks and stated they killed the two as they were “pioneers of practicing [sic] and promoting homosexuality in Bangladesh”.[234][235]
        Iraq May 11, 2016 – At least 40 people were killed and 60 injured in a car bomb attack on a market in Baghdad. ISIL claims responsibility.[236]
        United States June 12, 2016 – At least 50 people were killed and 53 injured in a mass shooting at a nightclub in Orlando, Florida. The shooter, Omar Mateen, pledged allegiance to ISIL.[237][238]
        France June 14, 2016 – Two french citizens, a police officer and a mother were stabbed to death in Magnanville, France by a man swearing his allegiance to ISIS.[239]

        Get real and see Isla as what the prophet Muhammad preached and what Allah has commanded his followers to do.

      • kaici

        The arabic word for war is: “al-harb”.
        In a religious sense, as described by the Quran and teachings of the Prophet Muhammad (s), “jihad” has many meanings. It can refer to internal as well as external efforts to be a good Muslims or believer, as well as working to inform people about the faith of Islam.
        If military jihad is required to protect the faith against others, it can be performed using anything from legal, diplomatic and economic to political means. If there is no peaceful alternative, Islam also allows the use of force, but there are strict rules of engagement. Innocents – such as women, children, or invalids – must never be harmed, and any peaceful overtures from the enemy must be accepted.
        Military action is therefore only one means of jihad, and is very rare. To highlight this point, the Prophet Mohammed told his followers returning from a military campaign: “This day we have returned from the minor jihad to the major jihad,” which he said meant returning from armed battle to the peaceful battle for self-control and betterment.
        In case military action appears necessary, not everyone can declare jihad. The religious military campaign has to be declared by a proper authority, advised by scholars, who say the religion and people are under threat and violence is imperative to defend them. The concept of “just war” is very important.
        The concept of jihad has been hijacked by many political and religious groups over the ages in a bid to justify various forms of violence. In most cases, Islamic splinter groups invoked jihad to fight against the established Islamic order. Scholars say this misuse of jihad contradicts Islam.
        Examples of sanctioned military jihad include the Muslims’ defensive battles against the Crusaders in medieval times, and before that some responses by Muslims against Byzantine and Persian attacks during the period of the early Islamic conquests.

        WHAT JIHAD IS NOT!!!!!

        Jihad is not a declaration of war against other religions. It is worth noting that the Koran specifically refers to Jews and Christians as “people of the book” who should be protected and respected. All three faiths worship the same God. Allah is just the Arabic word for God, and is used by Christian Arabs as well as Muslims.
        Military action in the name of Islam has not been common in the history of Islam. Scholars says most calls for violent jihad are not sanctioned by Islam.
        Warfare in the name of God is not unique to Islam. Other faiths throughout the world have waged wars with religious justifications
        i told you and i repeat again “isis and all those barbarians you described are not representative of muslims as KKK were not representative of christians !!!

      • kaici

        What Jihad IS NOT!

        If you open a modern Oxford English dictionary, you would probably

        find the definition of Jihad as “a holy war undertaken by Muslims against

        non-believers”. This is a very poor definition. Before trying to define what

        Jihad is, we should first define what it is NOT.

        Jihad is NOT Holy War

        Jihad is NOT blowing up one’s self (Suicide is a sin in Islam)

        Hadith : Shahi Bukhari.
        Book 23. Funerals (Al-Janaa’iz).

        Volumn 002, Book 023, Hadith Number 445.
        —————————————–
        Narated By Thabit bin Ad-Dahhak : The Prophet (p.b.u.h) said, “Whoever intentionally swears falsely by a religion other than Islam, then he is what he has said, (e.g. if he says, ‘If such thing is not true then I am a Jew,’ he is really a Jew). And whoever commits suicide with piece of iron will be punished with the same piece of iron in the Hell Fire.” Narrated Jundab the Prophet said, “A man was inflicted with wounds and he committed suicide, and so Allah said: My slave has caused death on himself hurriedly, so I forbid Paradise for him.”

        Jihad is NOT killing innocent people

        Jihad is NOT flying a plane into a building packed with civilians

        Jihad is NOT fighting out of anger and hatred

        Jihad is NOT killing others just because they don’t agree with you

        Jihad is NOT killing others just because they are not Muslims

        The real meaning of Jihad

        Jihad is an Arabic word from the root Jee Ha Da. It literally means to

        struggle or strive. Jihad is struggling or striving in the way or sake of

        Allah. Jihad takes a very important status in the doctrine of Islam and is

        one of the basic duties for every Muslim.

        Though, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the term Holy War. Such

        a term, or its equivalent doesn’t exist in the Islamic doctrine. The Christian

        Crusaders in the mid-ages invented this ideology of Holy War.

        There is nothing “Holy” about wars. Wars only involve killings and disasters!

        Jihad has many forms,

        Jihad of the heart/soul (jihad bin nafs/qalb)

        Jihad by the tongue (jihad bil lisan)

        Jihad by the pen/knowledge (jihad bil qalam/ilm)

        Jihad by the hand (jihad bil yad)

        Jihad by the sword (jihad bis saif)

        Jihad of the Heart/Soul

        Jihad of the heart/soul; in Arabic: jihad bin nafs/qalb. It is referred as

        “the greater Jihad” (al-jihad al-akbar).

        It is one’s inner struggle of good against evil; refraining oneself from the

        whispers of Shaitan (Satan).

        This process involves allowing Islam to transform one’s soul to achieving

        internal peace; and forgoing the hatred and anger.

        “Jihad is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it, and it may

        be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a

        thing which is bad for you. Allah knows but you do not know.”

        {Quran, Surah 2: Al-Baqarah, Verse 216; Mohsin Translation}

        Jihad by the tongue

        Jihad by the tongue; in Arabic: jihad bil lisan.

        It is defending Islam and spreading Islam by scholarly lectures, speeches

        and debates. It often overlaps with Da’awah (invitation to Islam, or

        spreading the message of Islam).

        In The Last Sermon, Prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) asked the

        listeners whether he has passed on the message to them; and they

        confirmed affirmatively.

        Then the Messenger of Allah ordered all those present today to pass on

        the same message to those who are not here today; and the last person to

        hear the message should understand it better than the people here.

        Jihad by the pen/knowledge

        Jihad by the pen/knowledge; in Arabic: jihad bil qalam/ilm.

        This form of Jihad involves scholarly research of Islam in aiding the

        spread and defence of Islam; and publishing written articles in clearing

        misconceptions and correction lies against Islam.

        Examples of such Jihad include the research and discovery of scientific

        evidences, literature miracles and mathematical miracles from the Quran.

        Messenger of Allah once stated that the ink of a scholar is holier than the

        blood of a martyr; and one who is reading looks handsome in front of

        Allah.

        Jihad by the hand

        Jihad by the hand; in Arabic: jihad bil yad.

        This is a Jihad of action rather than words. At certain areas, it overlaps

        with Zakart (charity) and Hajj (pilgrimage).

        Some of its examples include giving charity to the poor and needy,

        performing Hajj or Ummrah, helping those who need help, saving

        people’s lives, etc. These are more of physical deeds instead of words.

        “A person whose feet become dust ridden because of [striving] in

        the way of Allah will never be touched by the flames of Hell”

        { Sahih Bukhari 2811}

        The most beautiful of all Jihad is a perfect Hajj. It involves testing of

        one’s patience and piety to the apex. The whole period of Hajj, with just

        one intention and aim, worshiping Allah!

        Jihad by the sword

        Jihad by the sword; in Arabic: jihad bis saif. In contrary to Jihad of the

        heart/soul; this form of Jihad is referred as “the lesser jihad” (al-jihad alasghar).

        Sometimes it is necessary to undertake Jihad by the sword. This would

        include usage of arsenals and engaging in a combat. This could be simply

        a bunch of freedom fighters or an organised campaign of army.

        Jihad by the sword is use of arms to engage into a combat. It is not

        misuse of arms to create violence.

        There are only two situations were Jihad by the sword is allowed to be

        undertaken.

        1) For self-defence. When someone attacks you or when your

        nation has been attacked. Engaging into combat due to self defence.

        2) Fighting against evil and unjust. It is also a sin if a Muslim

        sees unjust been done, capable of stopping it, yet not doing

        anything about it. This can include war on drug, war on child

        labour as well as war on terror!

        The American administration today seems to be launching a global war

        on terror, but are they the first to launch the war on terror?

        The Muslims already announced the war on terror fourteen centuries ago,

        under the name of Jihad bis saif!

        There are many rules and limitations when engaging in combat under the

        title of Jihad. For example, civilians are not to be harmed; trees are not to

        be cut down; asylum should be granted to surrendering enemy soldiers;

        etc.

        “And if anyone of the Mushrikun seeks your protection then grant

        him protection, so that he may hear the Word of Allah, and then

        escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men

        who know not.”

        {Quran, Surah 9: At-Taubah, Verse 6; Mohsin Translation}

        The above verse states that when an enemy soldier surrenders during a

        battle, the Muslim soldiers must grant asylum and in addition, escort him

        to safety!

        The treatment for prisoners of war is also clearly stated in the Quran.

        Prisoners of war under Muslim prisons are to eat, drink and dress the

        same Muslim soldiers eat, drink and dress.

        And even under the unfortunate event of shortage of food, it is the

        prisoners who are to eat first before the Muslim soldiers guarding them!

        A closer look at the Sword

        Despite the fact that Jihad by the sword is the lesser Jihad, it is the only

        form of Jihad that most of the people in the world perceive Jihad as.

        This is unfortunate, especially for the Muslims. Many so-called “teachers

        of Islam” have been misusing this to assemble their so-called “holy

        army” to fight their so-called “holy war”.

        But you can’t blame the religion for what a few of its people do. In every

        society, there is a black sheep.

        Self-Defence:

        Since Jihad by the sword has been overwhelmingly magnified in the

        wrong angle, let’s take a closer look at it in the right angle. What is

        wrong with Jihad by the sword if it is fighting for self-defence?

        In the early years of revelation of Islam in Mecca, Muslims were not

        granted permission from Allah to fight. So the Muslims suffered both

        moral and physical humiliations from the non-Muslims in Mecca.

        The first verses regarding Jihad were then revealed allowing Muslims to

        undertake self-defence.

        “And fight in the Way of Allah those who fight you, but transgress

        not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors.

        {Quran, Surah 2: Al-Baqarah, Verse 190; Mohsin Translation}

        Many of the Quranic verses are being quoted out of context to

        wrongly justify terrorist actions. Yet, most of those verses are only

        referring to a particular situation; such as Battle of Badr or Battle of

        Uhud.

        Intention and war against Satan:

        “Those who believe, fight in the Cause of Allah, and those who

        disbelieve, fight in the cause of Satan. So fight against the friends

        of Satan. Ever feeble indeed is the plot of Satan.”

        {Quran, Surah 4: An-Nisa, Verse 76; Mohsin Translation}

        Now the second question is, what is wrong in fighting against evil and

        liberating people from sufferings?

        “Once a person came to the Prophet (sws) and said that some people

        fight for the spoils of war, some for fame and some to show off

        their valour; he then asked the Prophet (sws): “Which one of them

        fights in the way of Allah”. The Prophet (sws) replied: “Only that

        person fights in the way of Allah who sets foot in the battlefield to

        raise high the name of Allah”.

        { Sahih Bukhari 2810}

        Who is a Holy Warrior?

        According to the Quran, a martyr who died in the way of Jihad is

        promised Paradise. But what are the criteria of martyr, or in other words,

        what are the criteria of a Holy Warrior undertaking the True Jihad?

        The most famous of all Hadith is the one regarding everything we do are

        judged by our intensions; so as it is mentioned in the previous chapter.

        So who is an example of a Holy Warrior?

        Ali bin Abu Talib, cousin of Prophet Mohammed (s.a.w) and the fourth

        Caliph of the Islamic Ummah is a good example.

        During one of the battles, Ali was about to give a deathblow to an enemy

        soldier. Just then, that enemy soldier spat at Ali. Ali then suddenly

        stopped, threw down his sword and refused to kill that enemy soldier.

        After the battle, Ali’s soldiers asked Ali why he suddenly stopped

        and refused to kill that enemy soldier on the battlefield.

        Ali explained that he got angry when that enemy soldier spat at him. So

        if he had killed that enemy soldier right then, he would be killing out of

        his own anger and no longer fighting for Justice. In the sight of Allah, he

        would then be no different from a murderer.

        Brothers and Sisters that is how we should see a Holy Warrior!

        THANK YOU

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  28. Mr. Patience

    Islam teaches us that judgement is left to God. There is a day called judgement day that most with a religion believe in. That is the day when people will be judged by God according to Islam. No one has the right to kill anyone or for that matter to even discriminate against another no matter their belief. Again there will be judgement day for this. You simply are no different than ISIS and spreading hate. NO religion, no prophet, no God teaches hate but it is obvious that in life we have people like you and ISIS and many other groups that spread hate. I certainly hope love and respect for others prevails.

    • mbplee

      Dear Mr. Patience, thank you for your comments. I hope you will read the article more closely and appreciate the following:

      “What is considered spreading “mischief in the land?”

      Fasad (Arabic: فساد /fasād/) is an Islamic concept which means spreading mischief in a Muslim land,moral corruption against God, and any form of expression or activity by non-Muslims or apostates of Islam that creates disorder in the Muslim community.

      So “spreading mischief ” is a code term to clearly refer to non-Muslims and never to devout Muslims. So it becomes clear that it does not apply to, “those who spread mischief in Muslim land or non-Muslims. This cannot be clearer.

      So it should be abundantly clear that most Muslims have been misled or misunderstood Quran 5:32 ”

      Thus it would seem that the Quran has approved the killing of those, ” who cause mischief in the land, i.e., infidels, non-Muslims.”

      This amounts to Jihad against all infidels. This is very clear to me, I wonder why Muslims blank it out in their thought processes?

  29. kaici

    truggling or striving.
    The arabic word for war is: “al-harb”.
    In a religious sense, as described by the Quran and teachings of the Prophet Muhammad (s), “jihad” has many meanings. It can refer to internal as well as external efforts to be a good Muslims or believer, as well as working to inform people about the faith of Islam.
    If military jihad is required to protect the faith against others, it can be performed using anything from legal, diplomatic and economic to political means. If there is no peaceful alternative, Islam also allows the use of force, but there are strict rules of engagement. Innocents – such as women, children, or invalids – must never be harmed, and any peaceful overtures from the enemy must be accepted.
    Military action is therefore only one means of jihad, and is very rare. To highlight this point, the Prophet Mohammed told his followers returning from a military campaign: “This day we have returned from the minor jihad to the major jihad,” which he said meant returning from armed battle to the peaceful battle for self-control and betterment.
    In case military action appears necessary, not everyone can declare jihad. The religious military campaign has to be declared by a proper authority, advised by scholars, who say the religion and people are under threat and violence is imperative to defend them. The concept of “just war” is very important.
    The concept of jihad has been hijacked by many political and religious groups over the ages in a bid to justify various forms of violence. In most cases, Islamic splinter groups invoked jihad to fight against the established Islamic order. Scholars say this misuse of jihad contradicts Islam.
    Examples of sanctioned military jihad include the Muslims’ defensive battles against the Crusaders in medieval times, and before that some responses by Muslims against Byzantine and Persian attacks during the period of the early Islamic conquests.
    WHAT JIHAD IS NOT

    Jihad is not a violent concept.
    Jihad is not a declaration of war against other religions. It is worth noting that the Koran specifically refers to Jews and Christians as “people of the book” who should be protected and respected. All three faiths worship the same God. Allah is just the Arabic word for God, and is used by Christian Arabs as well as Muslims.
    Military action in the name of Islam has not been common in the history of Islam. Scholars says most calls for violent jihad are not sanctioned by Islam.
    Warfare in the name of God is not unique to Islam. Other faiths throughout the world have waged wars with religious justifications
    ISIS AND TALIBANS AND ALL THESES BARBARIANS ARE NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF MUSLIMS AS KKK WERE NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF CHRISTIANS OK?

  30. mbplee

    ***The true purpose of Jihad, to spread the Muslim faith, is spelled out explicitly: Allah’s Apostle said: “I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped by Allah and that Muhammad is Allah’s Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah.” (Sahih Bukhari 1:2:24 also 4:52:196)

  31. abdullah

    I see you are the liar who does taqiyyah as you said Muslims do taqiyyah when that is a jewish shia and maybe even a christian concept but not a Sunni Muslim concept and its not in the Quran!

    • mbplee

      abdullah, everything depends on how YOU want to practice Taqiyya.

      Is Allah the Best of Deceivers?
      According to the Qur’an, Allah is the “best of deceivers” (3:54; 8:30). The phrase is often translated into English as “best of planners,” “best of schemers,” or “best of plotters,” but the root word (makr) means “deception.” Hence, the following Qur’an verses should be rendered as follows:

      Qur’an 3:54—And they (the unbelievers) planned to deceive, and Allah planned to deceive (the unbelievers), and Allah is the best of deceivers.

      Qur’an 7:99—Are they then safe from Allah’s deception? No one feels safe from Allah’s deception except those that shall perish.

      Qur’an 8:30—And (remember) when the unbelievers plotted deception against you (O Muhammad), to imprison you, or kill you, or expel you. They plotted deception, but Allah also plotted deception; and Allah is the best of deceivers.

      All this from the Quran but it depends on how you wish to interpret it.

      • Salimisslim

        The first time I come accross the word “Taqiyya” was when I read the discussion between mbplee and abdullah. Nobody of my family, relatives, friends or acquaintances appear to ever have heard of this word before. In fact, most of the Muslims don’t know about it. So, I did some research and here’s what I found.

        As with other Quranic verses, the following verses are taken ou of context by Islam haters:

        Let not the believers take the disbelievers as Auliya (supporters, helpers, etc.) instead of the believers, and whoever does that will never be helped by God in any way, except if you indeed fear a danger from them. And God warns you against Himself (His Punishment), and to God is the final return. (Qur’an 3:28)

        The Qur’ânic instruction of not taking the unbelievers as friends must be carefully analyzed and understood in the context of the circumstance under which the verse was revealed. The verse and sûrah was revealed in 3 A.H./625 C.E. after the battle of Badr and Uhud when the Muslims were in a state of war and confrontation with the enemies. The prohibition of Muslims not being allowed to be friends with non-Muslims is only in war, making alliances with the enemy over the Muslims. That is what the passage is speaking about. There is no prohibition against Muslims having cordial friendly, everyday relations with non-Muslims as the bigots and Islam haters claim.

        “Whoever expresses disbelief in God after having accepted belief [will suffer greatly] – except him who is forced while his heart is still at peace in belief” (Quran 16:106)

        This verse deals with the case of those Muslims who were being persecuted with cruelty and were being subjected to unbearable torments to force them to give up their faith. They are being told that if at any time they are forced to utter words of disbelief to save their lives, when in fact in their hearts they are secure against disbelief, they will be pardoned. On the other hand, if they accepted unbelief from the core of their hearts, they shall not escape the torment of Allah even if they succeed in saving their lives.

        It does not, however, mean that one should utter words of disbelief to save his life. In other words, Islam does not urge or encourage believers to behave like that. This is merely a permission but not the ideal thing for a believer. According to this permission if one utters such a thing, he shall not be taken to account. In fact, the ideal for a believer is to utter words of truth in any case even if his body is cut into pieces. In Hadith in the Sunni commentary of Sahih al-Bukhari, known as the Fath al-Bari, it is therefore stated that: “There is a consensus that whomsoever is forced into apostasy and chooses death has a greater reward than a person who takes the license [to deny one’s faith under duress], but if a person is being forced to eat pork or drink wine, then they should do that [instead of choosing death].”

        There are instances which show that during the period of the Prophet (peace be upon him) most of the presecuted individuals acted upon the ideal, while only one person took advantage of the permission.

        There was Khabbab bin Art (may Allah be pleased with him) who was made to lie on embers of fire until the fire was extinguished by the melting of his fat, but he remained firm in his faith. Then there was Bilal Habashi who was made to put on an armor and stand in the scorching heat. Then he was dragged on the burning sand but he went on saying, “Allah is one”. There was another believer, Habib Gin Zaid bin Asim, whose limbs were cut one by one by the order of Musailimah, the Liar. Each time his limb was severed it was demanded of him that he should acknowledge the Liar as a prophet but each time he refused to bear witness to his claim of prophethood until he breathed his last.

        On the other hand, there was the instance of Ammar bin Yasir whose parents were mercilessly butchered before his eyes. After this he himself was put to such unbearable torture that, in order to save his life, he had to utter the same words of unbelief that were demanded of him. Afterwards when he came crying to the Prophet (peace be upon him), he said: O Messenger of Allah, they did not let me go until I spoke evil of you and praised their deities. The Prophet (peace be upon him) asked him: How do you feel about this, in your heart? He replied humbly: My heart is fully convinced of the faith. At this the Prophet (peace be upon him) replied: If they put you to the same torture again, you may utter the same words.

        My search for the word taqiyya yielded further the following information. The term Taqiyya (which -by the way- means caution, prudence, piety, fear of God and definitely NOT lying or deception) is unknown to the Sunni Muslims, because a situation like the instance of Ammar bin Yasir has rarely occurred in history. The concept was particularly embraced by the Shia, who took steps to hide their religious beliefs from the majority Sunnis. They had to hide their Shia identity in order to escape persecution.

        I think this is normal and understandable. If you are a Shia or Yazidi or whatever in Syria and someone from ISIS points a gun to you and asks: “are you a Shia or Yazidi?”. Your answer will be most likely “No” in order to save your life.

        Besides, any moral code, be it based in religious faith or atheistic humanism, should allow for lying in certain circumstances. That’s the most obvious thing in the world. If, for example, the Nazis knock on your door and ask you “are you hiding any Jews in your attic?”, would anyone demand you to be truthful and say “yes”? In that circumstance, lying should not only be allowed, but encouraged or even obligated. A moral code that did not allow for a lie in this circumstance would be highly flawed. This is simply common sense. No moral code, be it religious or otherwise, ought to command honesty without exception. It’s common sense that there should be some exceptions to truth-telling.

        Accordingly, in other religions, cultures and traditions deceit and lying during war is considered normal and even recommended.

        Lying in war is a well-known tactic. In fact, “War is deceit” is one of the oldest military principles in history. It is found in none other than ”The Art of War” by Sun Tzu, a Chinese strategist from the Sixth Century B.C. This book is the oldest military treatise in the world. In Part I, principle No. 18 says: All warfare is based on deception..

        This book forms the foundation of modern military thinking, and is listed in the United States Marine Corps Professional Reading Program. The book is required reading for CIA officers, and recommended reading for all U.S. military intelligence personnel. The book is required to be stocked in every major military library.

        Not only did Sun Tzu write of deception in warfare, but Italian Renaissance thinker Niccolo Machiavelli wrote: “Though fraud in other activities may be detestable, in the management of war it is laudable and glorious, and he who overcomes the enemy by fraud is as much to be praised as he who does by force.”

        In recent times, during World War II, there was a military operation called “Operation Fortitude.” It was a disinformation campaign to deceive the Germans about the Normandy invasion: “Fortitude” was the codename given to the decoy (or disinformation) mission mounted by the Allies to deceive the Germans about the date and above all the place of the landings…[The Germans] had to be made to think that a whole group of [Allied] armies was present in Kent, opposite the Pas-de-Calais…….. Fortitude succeeded beyond anyone’s wildest dreams.

        During the Gulf War, the US army successfully deceived the Iraqis regarding disposition of allied ground forces.

        The Menorah: A Monthly Magazine for the Jewish Home expounds:

        Deception in war…is legitimate according to Jewish law. Joshua used stratagem in capturing the city of Ai (Josh. viii), and the same was copied against Bejamin (Jud. xx). Ehud ben Gera killed Eglon, King of Moab, by disguise and deceit (Jud. iii., 20-22)…In our own times Gen. Fred Funston devised an artful plan to entrap Emilio Aguinaldo. Such deceit, however, is recommended in order to avoid needless bloodshed and hasten peace

        Rabbi Telushkin says the same in his book entitled A Code of Jewish Ethics, and even indicates that assassinations by stealth are permitted according to the Bible: “During a war, one may deceive enemies. The Bible relates how Ya’el, a Kenite woman, invited the fleeing Canaanite general Sisera into her tent: “Turn aside, my Lord, turn aside to me; have no fear,” she told him, before lulling Sisera to sleep and then killing him…The prophetess Deborah praised Ya’el for her deception of Sisera (Judges 5:24-26; see also Judges 4:17-21) …In short, in the proper circumstances, deception is not only tolerated, but applauded”

        The British and Foreign Evangelical Review says of Ya’el and Sisera: “That there was treachery, is admitted on all hands. The whole question resolves itself into this: Did Sisera deserve to be treacherously dealt with? Was Jael [Ya’el] justified in taking the advantage of him [as] she did? …If the deceptions of war we noticed just now [in the Bible] are not immoral, then we regard Jael’s act as morally defensible…She must use stratagem to kill him.”

        In a section entitled When Deceptions becomes Legitimate, The British and Foreign Evangelical Review writes: “Again, we find in the conquest that the Israelites were directed [by God] to practise certain deceptions upon their enemies…The moral aspect of these cases of deception on the part of God…[are justified by the] general understanding that in such circumstances “everything is fair” that can secure an advantage…There is no moral delinquency, therefore, in denying the whole truth to men, that is, in practising deception upon them, when it is understood that deception is part of the risk of war.”

        Christian professor Dr. Michael Heiser concurs that the “act of deception” and even “outright lie” is tolerated in war, even “HOLY war.” In a post entitled “Does God lie,” Prof. Heiser says that God uses deception, and even argues that Jesus himself used deception: “We know that there are specific statements asserting very clearly that God does not tell lies (e.g., Num. 23:19, Titus 1:2). However, God does use deception. Some of you no doubt will want to define lying so that it includes deception, but that is not only unwise, it puts you (and God) in a theological pickle…Why did Jesus demand deception (withholding the truth) on occasion? Why is that permissible?”

        I could carry on giving examples, but those listed above will suffice for now. Suffice it to say then that bigots and bold-faced hypocrites speak double tongue and use double standards when addressing Islam vis-a-vis other religions and cultures, based on half-truths and outright lies. Actually, they are the ones who really practice lying and deceit, not the Muslims. They are just projecting what they are actually doing. This is called psychological projection or blame shifting in psychology which is constantly used by bigots as a propaganda technique.

        Anyway, the idea put foreward by a bunch of bigots, Islamophobists, extrem right-wingers and evangelist zionists that Islam sancions deception and lying is absurd and an outright and bold-faced lie.

        Lying, except in a very limited situations during war, is highly prohibited in Islam and can lead to hell.

        The Prophet Muhammad was known by the name of Al-Amin (The Trustworthy), and even his greatest enemies did not know of him as a liar. The only so-called “lie” they counted against him was his claim to be a prophet of God. Abu Sufyan, the leader of the Quraish (the archenemy of the Muslims at the time), was asked by Heraclius about the Prophet Muhammad’s honesty. “Heraclius asked, ‘What does he [meaning the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him] command you to do?’ Abu Sufyan said, ‘He says: worship Allaah alone and do not associate anything in worship with Him, and abandon that which your forefathers did. He commands us to pray, to be truthful, to be chaste and to uphold the ties of kinship.” Heraclius also asked: “Have you ever accused him of telling lies?…Does he break his promises?” To both these questions, Abu Sufyan was forced to respond in the negative. (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 1/30 and Muslim, 1773). The Prophet Muhammad was known as being honest to all, regardless of religion.

        The prophet Muhammed minced no words about the necessity of telling the truth: “You must be truthful, for truthfulness leads to righteousness and righteousness leads to Paradise. A man will keep speaking the truth and striving to speak the truth until he will be recorded with Allaah as a siddeeq (speaker of the truth). Beware of telling lies, for lying leads to immorality and immorality leads to Hellfire. A man will keep telling lies and striving to tell lies until he is recorded with Allaah as a liar.” (Reported by Muslim, 4721)

        Al-Hasan ibn ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib (may Allaah be pleased with them both) said: “I memorized from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): ‘Leave that which makes you doubt for that which does not make you doubt, for truthfulness is certainty and tranquillity, whilst lying is doubt and confusion.” (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, 2520; al-Nisaa’i, 8/327; and Ahmad, 1/200)

        Hakeem ibn Hizaam (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Two parties to a deal have the option of changing their minds until they part; if they are open and honest, their deal will be blessed, and if they conceal and tell lies, the blessing of their deal will be diminished.” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 4/275 and Muslim, 1532.)

        It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “The signs of the hypocrite are three: when he speaks, he lies; when he makes a promise, he breaks it; and when he is entrusted with something, he betrays that trust.” (Narrated by al-Bukhari, 33; Muslim, 59)

        The Quran repeatedly mentions that the believers are those who stay honest to their oaths with the non-Muslims, and criticizes the Quraish idolaters for their failure to live up to their word. In Surah al-munafiqun (the Hypocrites, Chapter 63) and in various verses, we read how Allah expresses His aversion and abhorrence of the dishonest people and hypocrites and the severe punishment that awaits them in the hereafter, if they don’t repent.

        Some excerpts from the Quran:

        “O you who believe! Be afraid of Allaah, and be with those who are true (in word and deeds).” (9:119)

        “And cover not Truth with falsehood, nor conceal the Truth when ye know (what it is). (2:42)”

        “Those who are faithfully true to their amaanaat (all the duties which Allaah has ordained, honesty, moral responsibility and trusts, etc.) and to their covenants.” (23:8)

        “… and who fulfil their covenant when they make it…” (2:177)

        “That Allah may reward the truthful for their truth and punish the hypocrites if He wills or accept their repentance. Indeed, Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful.” (33:24)
        In conclusion: this whole accusation of muslims using “taqiyya” to deceive non muslims and then using “Jihad” to spread terror and whatever, is simply a BIG lie. It is aimed at spreading animosity, hatred and bigotry against Muslims, no more, no less.

      • mbplee

        salimisslim, thank you for your extensive reply. I will attempt to be brief. Your reply is typical of all replies from Muslims which is totally out of context of the tone of the Quran, and you have “cherry-picked” from the Quran to suit your prejudiced views and you have totally avoided looking at the topic with analytical detached valuation to see if there could be other interpretations to those views. I will quote from Islamic sources to show you that you have been “cherry-picking” to suit your biased views.

        First I will admit the following contempt for “lying” in the Quran:

        Lying is one of the greatest sins
        A tradition from the Holy Prophet (S) declares,

        “Beware I inform you regarding the greatest of the mortal sins: Associating anything with Allah, disobeying parents and lying!”1

        A similar tradition has been quoted from Imam Hasan al-Askari (a.s.) also,

        “All the evils have been locked in a room and its key is lying.”2

        Angels curse the liars
        The Prophet of Islam in another tradition is quoted to have said,

        “When a believer utters a lie without a valid excuse, he is cursed by seventy thousand angels. Such a stench emanates from his heart that it reaches the sky and because of this single lie Allah writes for him a sin equivalent to that of committing seventy fornications. Such fornications that the least of which is fornication with ones mother.”3

        Undoubtedly, lying is the worst of sins. It is obvious that the evils of lying are more dreadful than those of adultery. Some false words lead to war between two tribes or two sections of the society. Some lies blight the honour of thousands of people or endanger their lives, or lead to economic disasters.

        One kind of falsehood is that which is attributed to Allah (S.w.T.), the Holy Prophet (S) or the Holy Imams (a.s.). Understandably this is the worst kind of falsehood. Often due to lying, innocent people are sent to the gallows and their families destroyed. It is for this very reason that the traditions state:

        “Lying is an evil, greater than drinking wine.”

        But if you have never been exposed to Taqiyya, then you have been ignorant or uninformed of the teachings of Islam for a long time. Let me quote the following to let you understand how Taqiyya has been used by Muhammad and his followers for the past 1400 years:

        What is Toriya? (Concealment of truth without uttering a lie)
        Toriya means to say something, which could be interpreted in more that one way. One of the meanings should be the truth and the other against reality. It is said that one who speaks a ‘Toriya’ intends the true interpretation whereas the listeners take it to mean the opposite. For example if a tyrant comes to your place and wants to call you outside but you want to remain in the safety of your home, a person from your family can go to the door and say, ‘He is not here’; with the intention the ‘He’ is not at the door. The tyrant may think that you are not at home. This is permitted.

        Or if an oppressor is asking you the whereabouts of a person whom he intends to oppress. In this case you can say, ‘I do not know his whereabouts’; signifying by the pronoun ‘his’ someone else whose whereabouts you really do not know. In the same way if one has committed a greater sin and someone asks him, “Have you committed this sin?” The person could save his honour by saying, “I shall seek forgiveness from Allah (S.w.T.) if I ever committed it.”

        Similarly he may use uncertain terms or rhetorical sentences.

        For example he may say, “Do you expect me to commit such a grave sin?”

        Or he can also say the following prayer,

        “O Allah protect me from such a sin.”

        Also if you have pointed out somebody’s fault and he feels bad about it, there is no need to utter a lie and say, “You do not have this fault.” What can be said to pacify instead is, “Your personality is such that it is wrong to say such things about you.”

        Toriya is commanded
        Toriya is of Three kinds.

        First type

        The first type is when some purpose has to be achieved or there is a risk of some harm. These types of examples are quoted above. It is apparent that such a kind of ‘Toriya’ is permitted.

        Second type

        The next type of ‘Toriya’ is when a person intends to harm or insult someone else. There is no doubt that such a kind of ‘Toriya’ is ‘Harām’.

        Third type

        The third type of ‘Toriya’ is when there is neither a purpose behind it nor one intends to cause harm to others. According to some Mujtahids this type ‘Toriya’ is Harām. This is because ‘Toriya’ is a kind of a falsehood and whatever proofs exist for the prohibition of lying could also apply for this type of ‘Toriya’. Secondly there is nothing to prove the legality of this third type of ‘Toriya’. However, some of the Mujtahids are of the opinion that this kind of ‘Toriya’ is not Harām. For according to them all those proofs that permit ‘Toriya’ are also applicable to this type and hence it is not a lie.

        However, the precautionary method is to resort to ‘Toriya’ only when it is certain that it permissible.

        Circumstances when lying is permitted
        Whenever there is a danger to life, honour and property and if the danger can be avoided by lying, one is allowed to lie. The danger could be to ones own life, honour and property or to that of someone else.

        So much so that it is also permitted to take a false oath in this situation and in some cases it even becomes Wajib (obligatory) to speak a lie. E.g. when there is risk to ones life. In this case, it is Wajib to save oneself by lying and taking a false oath. For example, if an oppressor intends to kill a Muslim or to beat him up, dishonour him, seize his property or imprison him and if he enquires from you of his whereabouts, it is obligatory not to tell the truth even if one has to take a false oath and say that one does not know of his whereabouts.

        In the same way if someone entrusts a thing in your possession and another intends to seize it; it is your duty to protect the entrusted thing even if you have to resort to falsehood or take a false oath.

        False oath to save the Muslims
        There are many traditions that support the taking of a false oath in order to save the Muslims. For example, Shaykh Ansari in his book, Makasib quotes from Imam Ja’far as-Sadiq (a.s.) and Imam ‘Ali (a.s.) that they have narrated the following tradition of the Holy Prophet (S).

        The Holy Prophet (S) says:

        “Swear falsely by Allah, but save your Muslim brothers from unjust murder.”

        Ismael Ibn Sād records a confirmed tradition, wherein he says that he asked Imam ‘Ali Riďa (a.s.) concerning the person who takes a false oath to save his property from an unjust ruler.

        Imam Riďa (a.s.) replied,

        “There is no harm (in it).”

        He was again asked, “If a man takes a false oath to save the property of his believing brother, just as he had sworn falsely to save his own property. Is it allowed?”

        Imam (a.s.) said,

        “Yes! It is allowed.”34

        Also Hazrat Imam Ja’far as-Sadiq (a.s.) says,

        “If one is compelled to take a false oath to save the life of a Muslim or to save his property from an oppressor or a thief, not only is the expiation of this false oath not payable but he would rather be eligible for (divine) rewards.”

        Monetary loss and falsehood
        Two points must be remembered at this juncture. One is that even though it is permitted to lie to save oneself from every type of monetary loss, yet it is Mustahab (recommended) not to lie if one is capable of bearing the loss. Amir ul-Mu’minīn ‘Ali (a.s.) says,

        “The sign of belief is that one speaks the truth even if it causes loss and refrains from a lie even if it is beneficial (to lie).”35

        If one is compelled he must limit himself to Toriya
        Another important point is that in situations where the Mujtahids have permitted Toriya it is best not to use falsehood, but limit oneself to Toriya only.

        Reconcile two believing people by using falsehood
        Imam Ja’far as-Sadiq (a.s.) said:

        “Speech is of Three types, truth, falsehood and reconciling people.”

        Someone asked, “May my life be sacrificed for you. What is, ‘reconciling people’?”

        Imam (a.s.) replied:

        “You hear someone speaking ill about somebody but you tell the other person that the former was saying good things about you.”36

        Conveying a message of ill will
        Infact one is ordered to resort to lies if by doing so, one can bring about reconcillation between two people. One who brings about such reconciliation shall not be termed a liar. Because if the message of ill will is communicated from one to other, it will only increase enmity between the two.

        In the same way if a husband and wife have separated and divorce is about to take place, one is allowed to speak a lie if it can bring about a reunion. For example the husband could be told, “Your wife is very much troubled by the separation. She has such intense feelings for you that she may fall ill.” Or the wife may be told similar things so that they may reunite.

        Reconciliation among people
        The Holy Prophet (S) has said,

        “After the fulfillment of Wajib acts, the best action is to bring about peace and reconciliation among people. This is such an act that spreads goodness in the world.”

        Amir ul-Mu’minīn ‘Ali (a.s.) said that the Holy Prophet (S) has said at the time of recording his will and testament.

        “O ‘Ali, Allah even likes a falsehood for the sake of peace and dislikes truth that spreads corruption.”37

        The Holy Prophet (S) has also said,

        “To make peace among people and to think about reconciling people, and removing discord is better than prayers and fasting.”

        Abu Hanifa Saeq Al Haj says, “There was an inheritance dispute between my son-in-law and me. Our dispute was in process when the agent of Imam as-Sadiq (a.s.), Mufazzal happened to pass by. He stopped to listen for a while then returned to his house. He then gave us four hundred dirhams and solved the dispute.

        Then he said, ‘The money that I gave you was not mine. It belonged to my master Imam Ja’far as-Sadiq (a.s.). He had ordered me to solve the disputes among his followers through this money.’”

        This shows the importance of peace and reconciliation. The Holy Prophet (S) has also stated that it was better than prayers and fasting, even though this action is Mustahab (recommended) whereas the former are Wajib (Obligatory). The reason for this could be that due to prayers and fasting an individual is reformed. Whereas the peacemaker reforms the whole society and consequently prayers and fasting also become popular among the people. Unity among the Muslims is not only beneficial for the Hereafter, it is very much needed from the worldly point of view also. When the hearts of the believers unite for the sake of Allah (S.w.T.), such a power is achieved that not only the apparent enemies can be faced but even the hidden enemies, i.e. “the self” and “shaitan”, can be easily deflected.

        Kur water and the united hearts
        The unity and understanding among the people could be compared to Kur38 water. If water is divided by putting it in different vessels and each of them is less then a kur, then whenever impurity (Najasat) falls into one of them, it makes that water Najis (impure). But if all the water is collected in one place and it becomes more than a kur and if an impurity falls into it, it does not make the kur water Najis. On the contrary the kur water is capable of purifying the impurity of a Najis object. Exactly, in the same way when the people unite together, the divine mercy descends upon them and each one benefits by it. Secondly due to the unity among the Muslims they will be held in high esteem by people of different faiths.

        Another example is the merits of congregational prayers and its great rewards. It is very much recommended to behave kindly towards the believing brother, to help him and support him. Similarly it is highly meritorious to visit the believers, to shake hands with them and to hug them. These actions carry great benefits. To make peace between two believers qualifies one to untold rewards. Similarly it is mentioned that to befriend a believer for the sake of Allah (S.w.T.) carries tremendous rewards. After examining the rewards for all of the above actions one concludes that all such actions have been promulgated for maintaining the unity among believers.

        Falsehood in the battle-field
        It is known from some traditions that during a war with unbelievers, it is permissible to use falsehood, if by doing so, victory can be gained over them.

        Promise to a wife
        A man can give a promise to his wife even if he does not intend to fulfill it, a man can give a false promise to fulfill his wife’s desire, if he thinks that his refusal will cause dispute and discord in the family, or make his wife extremely unhappy. Obviously such falsehood is also permissible under compelling conditions when a man fears that refusing to promise may lead to an extreme situation like divorce.

        However, whether such a promise is permitted or not is difficult to confirm. Some weak traditions do state that such a false promise is allowed. For example if a wife asks for something, her husband can give her a false promise.

        Fear of retribution and good deeds
        Hazrat ‘Ali Ibn Abi Talib (a.s.) says:

        “Avoid lying! For when one desires something he strives for it and when one fears something he strives to keep it away from himself.”39

        Imam ‘Ali (a.s.) explains the above tradition as follows: If one sincerely desires the pleasure of Allah (S.w.T.) one must strive for it and one of the ways of doing so is by refraining from lies. Falsehood is a forbidden act causing extreme displeasure of Allah (S.w.T.). In the same way if one really fears divine retribution, one must keep aloof from sins, for sins incur punishment. If a person merely claims that he hopes for divine rewards and fears divine punishment, but does not perform good deeds nor refrain from sins, he is a liar.

        The following saying of Amir ul-Mu’minīn ‘Ali (a.s.) is recorded in Nahjul Balagha:

        “One who thinks that he hopes (in divine rewards) but his actions do not express it, then by Allah, he is a liar. For when he hopes for something it becomes apparent from his actions.

        But if he hopes in Allah and his actions do not show it? In the same way when one is afraid of something his actions express this (fear) and he flees from that thing. Then after claiming to be fearful of divine punishment why does he not flee from sins?”

        Thus if a person who claims to be fearful of Allah (S.w.T.) and hopeful of divine rewards, but whose actions do not confirm his claim, is considered a liar. In the same way a person who claims to have the traits of patience, thankfulness, contentment and resignation etc. which are not shown in his behaviour is also a liar.

        Your speech must conform to your thoughts
        Hazrat Imam Ja’far as-Sadiq (a.s.) says,

        “Whenever you say ‘Allahu Akbar’ (Allah is the greatest) you must consider everything between the earth and the sky to be lesser than Allah. Because when Allah sees that a person say Allaho-Akbar only superficially, He says, ‘O liar! You try to be smart with Me? By My Might and Honour I shall deprive you of My remembrance.’”

        It is regretful that people verbally say, ‘Allahu Akbar’ but their actions belie their words. For if they are told to do something for the sake of Allah (S.w.T.) or to refrain from something for the sake of Allah (S.w.T.) they do not pay any heed, but if a monetary fine is due for any disobedience, they are sure to respond. Thus money has importance for them than Allah (S.w.T.)’s pleasure or displeasure. There are people who perform particular actions or restrain from them only due to fear of harm by fellow humans. If they are told to do so only due to the fear of Allah (S.w.T.), they will not be impressed.

        A show of submission
        A person who says to Allah (S.w.T.), ‘Thee only do we worship and Thee only we ask for help’, but his actions are such that day and night he is involved in the acquisition of wealth and is preoccupied in the satisfaction of carnal desires. Can we consider this man to be truthful? Does this man really worship Allah (S.w.T.)?

        In the same way many a man puts his trust and faith in the apparent agencies through which he gets his profit and gain. He regards these as the deciding authorities and seeks their help, overlooks the fact that these means themselves are through Allah (S.w.T.)’s grace. Can such a person be truthful when he says “Thee only do we worship and Thee only we ask for help?”

        Falsehood in supplications
        Oftentime people supplicate with the following words, “I am pleased with my Lord and Cherisher, He the sole cherisher of all the creatures. I am satisfied with Him.”

        But if the situation changes and these people are faced with distressing circumtances, they do not hesitate to complain about what Allah (S.w.T.) has decreed for them. In such a case the above-mentioned supplication amounts to lying.

        Confession of Belief in the Imams (a.s.)
        The supplication, “I am pleased that Muhammad (S) is my Prophet; and Qur’an is my Book and ‘Ali is my Imam; and all of them are for my guidance,” will also be a lie when uttered by a person who does not practice the tenets of Islam as explained by our Ahl ul-Bayt (a.s.) and behaves according to his own whims and fancy.

        Do you speak the truth?
        A man prays, “(O Allah (S.w.T.)) when I look at my sins, I weep and when I see Your mercy and forgiveness I become hopeful and happy in anticipation that You will forgive me,” but when faced with temptations, he makes no serious effort to restrain himself and commits sinful acts without any qualms. The falsehood of such a person is clear.

        In the same way if a person says, “I weep due to (the fear of) the agony of death, due to the fear of questioning of the grave, due to the fear of Qiyāma,” while in reality he is not fearful of any of these, his falsehood is obvious. It could be this very kind of falsehood that is referred to in Du’a Abu Hamza Thumali of Imam Zayn ul-’Abidīn (a.s.):

        “O Allah! May be You have found me in the position of a liar and for this (You have taken away your mercy from me) left me on my own condition.”

        Lying to the Imams (a.s.)
        An example of lying to the Imams (a.s.) is that of a person who recites the Ziarat and says, “(O Imams) I accept your sayings and act upon your commands and obey you,” but who does not do so in reality. In fact he obeys his own desires. Such a person is a hypocrite! He is lying to the Imams (a.s.).

        Another example of such a falsehood is when he says in Ziarat, “We make peace with those who are at peace with you and we make war with those who are at war with you.” Even though he verbally claims this, in actual practice he is friendly with the enemies of Islam. Also, he is inimical to the believers. He also claims, “I keep aloof from your opponents,” but does not act upon it. Isn’t such a person lying to the Imams (a.s.)?

        Then how should we pray?
        A question arises here that if by reciting a Du’a or Ziarat, if one is bound to utter lies, then how should one pray?

        Although a detailed reply to this is beyond the scope of this book, we can say in brief that the manner of praying denounced by us is when the supplicant invokes Allah (S.w.T.), the Holy Prophet (S) and the Imam (a.s.), but he takes his supplication lightly and makes no sincere effort to better himself.

        However, a believer should not feel that since it is not possible to avoid falsehood in prayers it is better not to pray. This is despair of Allah (S.w.T.)’s mercy and a satanic instigation to keep the believer away from the divine rewards. What one should do is to pray sincerely and to achieve perfection in a gradual manner and Allah (S.w.T.) will surely help such a person in achieving this ultimate aim.

        A person either understands the meanings of duas and Qur’anic verses (as those quoted above) or not. Even if one recites them without following the actual meaning, the duas and Qur’anic verses will illuminate his heart by their light. He will also be eligible for the divine rewards.

        Every person has a different position
        With respect to knowledge and piety our Ma’sūmīn (a.s.) occupy the highest position. Amongst the believers there is a wide spectrum of people capable of different levels of understanding and piety, but none can reach the stage of Ma’sūmīn (a.s.). All believers succumb to their desires and selfish motives to a greater or lesser extent. Consequently they fall prey to sins and disobey Allah (S.w.T.). This is inevitable. This situation is aptly described in the following words of Du’a Abu Hamza Thumali.

        “O Allah! I did not sin due to disbelief in You, nor did I sin considering Your command insignificant or thinking that your punishment is light. But I sinned due to the instigation of my selfish desires and due to pride…”

        The believers can comfort themselves that they are not really lying when they do not rise up to the level expected in the supplication they utter. They can also comfort themselves that they are believers because they fear Allah (S.w.T.) and repose their hope in Allah (S.w.T.), as the Holy Qur’an says:

        “And fear (only) Me if you are believers. ” (Surah Āli-‘ Imrān 3:175)

        Firm conviction and disobedience
        Even though the belief in Allah (S.w.T.) and the fear of His retribution is present in man, he is still prone to sins. It is not that one who believes in Allah (S.w.T.) cannot sin. For example, who does not know that a dead body cannot cause any harm? Everyone firmly believes in it. Yet how many people can stay alone with a corpse at night? Here a firm belief is unable to rid the man of his fear of the dead. Even a firm belief cannot guarantee one’s actions. It is for this reason that we recite in Du’a, “Bestow upon me such a firm conviction that I can worship you with sincerity.” There is no doubt that if one prays to Allah (S.w.T.) out of intense fear; which would restrains him from committing sins, Allah (S.w.T.) will surely create such a fear in his heart.

        Also the magnitude of his fear increases along with the increase in grades of piety and obedience which he achieves due to constant efforts.

        It has been mentioned in the traditions:

        “Whoever desires something and strives for it, finds it.”

        Truly! Being absolutely truthful seems possible only for the Ma’sūmīn (a.s.). As the Holy Qur’an states,

        “And be with the Truthful Ones!” (Surah at-Tawba 9:119)

        The “Truthful Ones” referred to in this ayat are the Ahul Bayt (a.s.).

        1. Wasa’il ul-Shia
        2. Mustadrak ul-Wasa’il
        3. Mustadrak ul-Wasa’il
        4. Mustadrak ul-Wasa’il
        5. Usūl al-Kāfi
        6. Mustadrak ul-Wasa’il
        7. al-Kāfi
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        13. Wasa’il ul-Shia
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        16. al-Kāfi
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        18. Wasa’il ul-Shia
        19. Uyūn al-Akhbār ar-Riďa
        20. al-Kāfi
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        23. Wasa’il ul-Shia
        24. Kashful Muhajja
        25. Nahjul Balagha
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        31. Khisāl
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        35. Nahjul Balagha
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        38. ‘Kur’ is 377 litres. According to Islamic Practical Law if the quantity of water is more than a kur and if it comes in contact with a najis thing, it is not considered najis unless its colour, or its smell, or its taste has changed
        39. al-Kāfi

        Now what I have just posted should compliment a fuller understanding of the topic of “lying” (or Taqiyya) in Islam.

  32. Salimisslim

    In your supposed-to-be-short lengthy reply you stated the following: “But if you have never been exposed to Taqiyya, then you have been ignorant or uninformed of the teachings of Islam for a long time.” If so, then there is no real Muslim in this planet, because more than 80 % of the “ignorant” and “uninformed” Muslims (other than the Shia) haven’t heard about this word before. In this case you are the one along with the fanatic extremists like KKK, LRA, the Crusades, Colonialimse, KKK, NLFT, NSCN, the Army of God, CSA, Zealotry, Covenant of the Zealots, the Kingdom of Israel Group, Gush Emunim Underground, Kechet, Bat Ayin Underground, Lehava ….. who appear to have “a fuller understanding of” the word “Taqiyya”or “Toriye” or whatever. In this case too, you are the one who practice this hiding and deceiving technique in order to deceive people from facts and truth by devising and spreading half-truths and bold-faced lies.

    I am really amazed by – to use your own words- the “misquoted, adulterated, dissimulated” and “cherry-pick” partial quotes you constantly provide. You seem to use the strategy of Joseph Goebbels (Hitler’s propagandist): “If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself.” Actually, Gobbels appears as an apprentice to you.

    Another cunning strategy, in which you are skillful, is constantly cite a flood of out-of-context, cherry-pick partial and distorted quotes, and present them to your debators as facts and truth, knowing in advance that it’s impossible for them to check the authenticity of and address each quote apart and try to refute them.

    You know pretty well that the quotes you provided (of which I doubt the authenticity) are from the Shia sources. There is no quote from the Sunni sources. For your information, and as I mentioned before in my previous reply, the principle of “Taqiyya” is Shi’ite in origin. The word means “prudence”, “carefulsness” or “wariness” and in Shi’it Islam it came to have the sense of hiding one’s true beliefs in a time of duress or persecution.

    But why do you focus on what you think is “deceit”, “lying” and “terror” in Islam and neglect that in other religions and cultures? What about the Jewish, Christian and other culture’s version of “Taqiyya” of which I mentioned some excerpts in my previous reply ?! You said nothing about it, not a single word.

    1. Lying in war is a well-known tactic. In fact, “War is deceit” is one of the oldest military principles in history. It is found in none other than ”The Art of War” by Sun Tzu, a Chinese strategist from the Sixth Century B.C. This book is the oldest military treatise in the world. In Part I, principle No. 18 says: All warfare is based on deception..

    This book forms the foundation of modern military thinking, and is listed in the United States Marine Corps Professional Reading Program. The book is required reading for CIA officers, and recommended reading for all U.S. military intelligence personnel. The book is required to be stocked in every major military library.

    Not only did Sun Tzu write of deception in warfare, but Italian Renaissance thinker Niccolo Machiavelli wrote: “Though fraud in other activities may be detestable, in the management of war it is laudable and glorious, and he who overcomes the enemy by fraud is as much to be praised as he who does by force.”

    2. In recent times, during World War II, there was a military operation called “Operation Fortitude.” It was a disinformation campaign to deceive the Germans about the Normandy invasion: “Fortitude” was the codename given to the decoy (or disinformation) mission mounted by the Allies to deceive the Germans about the date and above all the place of the landings…[The Germans] had to be made to think that a whole group of [Allied] armies was present in Kent, opposite the Pas-de-Calais…….. Fortitude succeeded beyond anyone’s wildest dreams.

    3. During the Gulf War, the US army successfully deceived the Iraqis regarding disposition of allied ground forces.

    4. The Menorah: A Monthly Magazine for the Jewish Home expounds:

    Deception in war…is legitimate according to Jewish law. Joshua used stratagem in capturing the city of Ai (Josh. viii), and the same was copied against Bejamin (Jud. xx). Ehud ben Gera killed Eglon, King of Moab, by disguise and deceit (Jud. iii., 20-22)…In our own times Gen. Fred Funston devised an artful plan to entrap Emilio Aguinaldo. Such deceit, however, is recommended in order to avoid needless bloodshed and hasten peace

    5. Rabbi Telushkin says the same in his book entitled A Code of Jewish Ethics, and even indicates that assassinations by stealth are permitted according to the Bible: “During a war, one may deceive enemies. The Bible relates how Ya’el, a Kenite woman, invited the fleeing Canaanite general Sisera into her tent: “Turn aside, my Lord, turn aside to me; have no fear,” she told him, before lulling Sisera to sleep and then killing him…The prophetess Deborah praised Ya’el for her deception of Sisera (Judges 5:24-26; see also Judges 4:17-21) …In short, in the proper circumstances, deception is not only tolerated, but applauded”

    6. The British and Foreign Evangelical Review says of Ya’el and Sisera: “That there was treachery, is admitted on all hands. The whole question resolves itself into this: Did Sisera deserve to be treacherously dealt with? Was Jael [Ya’el] justified in taking the advantage of him [as] she did? …If the deceptions of war we noticed just now [in the Bible] are not immoral, then we regard Jael’s act as morally defensible…She must use stratagem to kill him.”

    7. In a section entitled When Deceptions becomes Legitimate, The British and Foreign Evangelical Review writes: “Again, we find in the conquest that the Israelites were directed [by God] to practise certain deceptions upon their enemies…The moral aspect of these cases of deception on the part of God…[are justified by the] general understanding that in such circumstances “everything is fair” that can secure an advantage…There is no moral delinquency, therefore, in denying the whole truth to men, that is, in practising deception upon them, when it is understood that deception is part of the risk of war.”

    8. Christian professor Dr. Michael Heiser concurs that the “act of deception” and even “outright lie” is tolerated in war, even “HOLY war.” In a post entitled “Does God lie,” Prof. Heiser says that God uses deception, and even argues that Jesus himself used deception: “We know that there are specific statements asserting very clearly that God does not tell lies (e.g., Num. 23:19, Titus 1:2). However, God does use deception. Some of you no doubt will want to define lying so that it includes deception, but that is not only unwise, it puts you (and God) in a theological pickle…Why did Jesus demand deception (withholding the truth) on occasion? Why is that permissible?”

    How about THE JEWISH TALMUD, the “Holy Writ” for the Jews?!!!

    The Talmud supercedes the Old Testament in authority for the Jews. And the Talmud is the most racist, hate-mongering , blasphemous book the world has ever known.
    The Talmud was written in Hebrew between the 3rd & 6th Centuries as a codification of the so-called Oral Law that the Jewish rabbis claim was handed down from Moses.
    But the Messiah Jesus censored the “Oral Law” when He said, “By the traditions of your elders you make void the Word of God.” (St Matthew 15).
    The English translation of the Talmud has been watered down so as to conceal from the Gentiles the verses contained in the original Hebrew.

    * “If a ‘goy’ (Gentile) hits a Jew he must be killed.” (Sanhedrin 58b)
    * “If a Jew finds an object lost by a ‘goy’ it does not have to be returned.” (Baba Mezia 24a)
    * “If a Jew murders a ‘goy’ there will be no death penalty.” (Sanhedrin 57a)
    * What a Jew steals from a ‘goy’ he may keep.” (Sanhedrin 57a)

    HATRED TOWARDS THE GENTILES

    * “The ‘goyim’ are not humans. They are beasts.” (Baba Mezia 114b)
    * “If you eat with a ‘goy’ it is the same as eating with a dog.” (Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b)
    * “Even the best of the ‘goyim’ should all be killed.” (Soferim 15)
    * “Sexual intercourse between the ‘goyim’ is like intercourse between animals.” (Sanhedrin 74b)
    * “When it comes to a Gentile in peace times, one may harm him indirectly, for instance, by removing a ladder after he had fallen into a crevice.” (Shulkan Arukh, Yoreh De ‘ah, 158, Hebrew Edition only)

    BLASPHEMIES AGAINST JESUS CHRIST, THE VIRGIN MARY,
    & ALL CHRISTIANS

    * “‘Yashu’ (derogatory for ‘Jesus’) is in Hell being boiled in hot excrement.” (Gittin 57a)
    [’Yashu’ is an acronym for the Jewish curse, ‘May his (Jesus) name be wiped out forevermore.’]
    * Yashu (Jesus) was sexually immoral and worshipped a brick.” (Sanhedrin 107b)
    * “Yashu (Jesus) was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness and refused to repent.” (Sotah 47a)
    * “Miriam the hairdresser had sex with many men.” (Shabbath 104b, Hebrew Edition only)
    * “She who was the descendant of princes and governors (the virgin Mary) played the harlot with carpenters.” (Sanhedrin 106a)
    * “Christians who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations.” (Rosh Hashanah 17a)

    The USA and Israel state terrorism

    Robert Fisk, from The Independent, writes: “Israel and Israel’s militia allies (on 16 September 1982) started their three-day orgy of rape, knifing and murder in the Palestinian refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila that cost 1,800 lives. It followed an Israeli invasion of Lebanon designed to drive the PLO (Palestine Liberation Organisation) out of the country and given the green light [by the United States] which cost the lives of 17,500 Lebanese and Palestinians, almost all of them civilians.”

    According to Professor Noam Chomsky, “It’s uncontroversial that the United States is a leading terrorist state. In fact, it’s the only state that was condemned for international terrorism by the highest bodies: the International Court of Justice in 1986.”

    Similarly, “The horrific massacre of 8,000 Muslims – some unarmed – at Srebrenica in 1995 never led to a stream of pieces about the violence and repressive tendencies of Christianity.” – William Dalrymple, The Independent UK.

    “The carnage wrought by Western, ostensibly Christian, leaders over the last six decades – including a world war and a cold war, a Holocaust, two atomic bombs, repression of wars of independence, the fuelling of proxy wars, nuclear brinksmanship, and the support of dictators and state and non-state terrorists – makes it spurious to view Islam as a more inherently violent religion or civilisation.” – Rama Mani (Geneva Centre for Security Policy)

    There are many other examples of both Jewish and Christian terrorism, however, we must never generalise and call all Christians and Jews terrorists or practicing deceit to pursue a goal. Similarly, we should not put all Muslims on trial but only those that committed the crime should be judged.

  33. mbplee

    salimisslim, I am glad to observe that you are one of a very few Muslims who has read outside of Islamic literature in an attempt to justify the Islamic ideology. For that, I commend you. But unfortunately in your zeal to support Islam you have taken a very narrow and biased view of the true facts. You are totally confused between “Religious Doctrines” and that of “political Philosophy.” [One is the Commands of god, and the other are of civil military strategy.]

    Sun Tzu(512 BC), and Machiavelli (1469-1527) were strictly political philosophers and were not pronouncing religious doctrine.
    Muhammad, “War is treachery” was pronouncing religious doctrine, ideology of Allah.

    You said,
    “There are many other examples of both Jewish and Christian terrorism, however, we must never generalise and call all Christians and Jews terrorists or practicing deceit to pursue a goal. Similarly, we should not put all Muslims on trial but only those that committed the crime should be judged.”

    Again, we must not confuse political wars with religious wars. You said,
    ““The carnage wrought by Western, ostensibly Christian, leaders over the last six decades – including a world war and a cold war, a Holocaust, two atomic bombs, repression of wars of independence, the fuelling of proxy wars, nuclear brinksmanship, and the support of dictators and state and non-state terrorists – makes it spurious to view Islam as a more inherently violent religion or civilisation.” – Rama Mani (Geneva Centre for Security Policy)”

    Most of the wars you mentioned in the above paragraph were “political wars” not religious or Holy Wars. All Muslim wars have been and are “religious Holy wars.” That is the difference that most Muslims cannot get their heads around.

    The trouble is of all the Muslims I have encountered, ALL of them have always found justification for all acts of war or terrorism, but have never reflected on the possibility that they could be wrong. That is because they believe that:

    “Ash hadu an laa ilaaha illallaah, wa ash hadu anna Muhammadan rasool-ullaah (I bear witness that there is no god worthy of worship except Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah)”

    This makes Islam “Totally Exclusive and Supremacist.”

    But if you were to study the origins of Allah, you will find that Allah has been largely based on the myths of the Hebrew and Christian God which in turn based they beliefs on the mythical religious beliefs of the Babylonians, Mesopotamians and early Egyptians.
    Is a god, based upon ancient mythology any more credible than the idols and gods of Hinduism, or Taoism? I know that in your eyes I am approaching the boundaries of blasphemy, but do your research and you will find much truth in my hypothesis.

    • kaici

      mbplee you are atheist ….i respect your choice …be respectful and let people practicing their religion…..we ARE MUSLIMS AND PROUD ….islam is a religion of peace and love and tolerance ..all you said is wrong ..even you are not convinced …just one word to prove you that our religion is universal religion …el hamdoulillah rabi el alamine…allah is god of universe and we say it five times a day….that why all you said is wrong ….allah is not god for muslims only …..we are muslims and we know our religion …you are just inspired by tjose wahabists of saudi arabia ..sorry for you they are wrong like you……so be respectful ..stay atheist…i stay muslim

      • mbplee

        kaici, I am surprised that your still believe in the myth that, “we ARE MUSLIMS AND PROUD ….islam is a religion of peace and love and tolerance” which is of course totally false.

        “From a sociological standpoint, this is perhaps THE most widely propagated myth about Islam. For decades, Islam has put across to Westerners a peaceful, loving front. This false view of Islam has been spread all the more aggressively since the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. Muslim leaders in the United States and other Western nations had to push their efforts at hiding Islam’s true nature into high gear, trying to counterbalance the impact that was made by the sight of Palestinians and other Muslims (some in this very nation) cheering and celebrating the destruction of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Unfortunately, many theologically liberal and compromising people in most of the mainline Christian denominations have gone right along with these attempts at whitewashing Islam’s image, either out of blind ignorance or unthinking sympathy for Mohammed’s religion. Even in many traditionally conservative Protestant churches, pastors have invited false teachers from Islam to present that religion to their congregants, and the image given is invariably that of a peaceful, loving, tender-hearted faith whose members are absolutely appalled at the violence committed by “a few fringe radicals”.

        I have personally witnessed this sort of bald-faced lying done in the name of Islam. On November 11, 2001, I attended a panel presentation on the campus of the University of North Carolina, in Chapel Hill, during which the several panel members each had the opportunity to take 15 minutes and give their thoughts on the events and responses to the September 11 attacks. One of the speakers was a Muslim imam from a local mosque in Durham. Naturally, he took twice as much time as was allotted for him, and did not even address the topic of discussion. Instead, he spent 30 minutes ranting and raving about how peaceful and loving Islam was, and how Islam respects people of other religions. This lying deceiver even went so far as to say that he would be morally obligated to stop a person from defacing or vandalizing a Christian church. In short, his entire diatribe was one giant lie, yet much of the (mostly leftist) crowd ate up every word of it like it was gospel truth. This response demonstrated the desperate need for education about Islam in this nation. Not education in Islam, but education about Islam, so that the majority of the population in Western societies who know little to nothing about the religion can learn the truth about it, instead of being fed sugar-coated lies from Islamic leaders and propagandists. People in the West need to know that the image of Islam as a violent, intolerant, wicked religion is in fact true, and growing more so every day.

        So, to ask the question frankly: Is Islam peaceful or violent? To answer equally as frankly: It is violent. It is a religion which was born out of violence, propagated through violence, and which is still accustomed to violence even today. This can clearly be seen by examining the teachings and record of Islam. These are the two primary means by which to judge the character of a religion on some question. You look at the established, recognized, plainly understood teachings of that religion from its holy texts, and then you look at the manner and methodology by which those most faithful to that religion carry out their obedience to their belief system. So let us apply this test to the Muslim faith.

        Though violence towards those of other faiths is certainly not unknown among other of the world’s religions, Islam goes further than the other religious systems of the world in that its holy texts command and commend religiously-motivated violence against unbelievers. It is not just a matter of tolerating it or of turning a blind eye. Rather, the Qur’an and the ahadith support and encourage the faithful to press violent jihad against non-Muslims.

        Violence From the Qur’an

        What does Islam teach as far as violence is concerned? Looking at the Qur’an, we see that quite a lot is said about this subject. Muslim apologists will often point to Surah 2:190-193 as proof that Islam teaches only defensive warfare, but eschews offense.

        “Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they first fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression.”
        These verses, it is said, admonish Muslims only to fight against those who oppress or persecute Muslims, and only until the offenders have stopped oppressing Muslims. However, there is a catch to all this. The Qur’an also teaches for Muslims to enter into exile in lands where Islam is not the dominant force, and to stir up trouble, so that this persecution will come as the natives in those lands protect the integrity of their sovereignty and civilization.

        “Those who believed, and adopted exile, and fought for the Faith, with their property and their persons, in the cause of Allah, as well as those who gave them asylum and aid,- these are all friends and protectors, one of another. As to those who believed but came not into exile, ye owe no duty of protection to them until they come into exile; but if they seek your aid in religion, it is your duty to help them, except against a people with whom ye have a treaty of mutual alliance. And remember Allah seeth all that ye do. The Unbelievers are protectors, one of another: Unless ye do this, protect each other, there would be tumult and oppression on earth, and great mischief.” (Surah 8:72-73)
        In this passage, “adopted exile” is translated from the root form hjr, which has as its primary meaning the ideas of containment or confinement, and can carry the connotation of being quarantined or compartmentalized. The specific context refers to those Muslims (known as muhajirun) who had left Mecca during the early part of Mohammed’s ministry, when the Muslims were coming under persecution, and fled to Medina. There, they joined with Medinan believers (ansari), eventually gathering enough power to be able to conquer Mecca. This exile, however, doesn’t have to be in a friendly land. These verses can be understood through an extended application to be encouraging Muslims to adopt exile in a foreign land and voluntarily confine themselves in a non-Muslim society. Then, eschew assimilating into the culture and way of life of the host country, and instead agitate for Islam. When opposition arises, they join together and give aid and fight for Allah against the unbelievers, since voilà, persecution has arisen! Hence, what is touted as a defensive doctrine is in reality carried out in an offensive manner.

        This interpretation is not merely theoretical. We can, in fact, see it being applied today in European countries that have become the hosts to large numbers of Muslim immigrants from North Africa, Turkey, and the Indian subcontinent. It is common for Muslims in these countries to cause trouble, whether through crime or through more organized forms of disorder, and they will not assimilate to the cultural norms and modes of their host countries. When the Europeans defend themselves, or even criticize what is being done by these “guests”, the Muslims use this as an excuse to claim persecution and respond violently, often supported by their fellow Muslims in the Islamic world. Sweden has seen an epidemic of sexual assaults upon native-born Swedish women in what is being called the “rape jihad”, yet the fault for this behavior always seems to be blamed on the Swedes themselves, for their “racism” and “Islamophobia”. In France in the winter of 2005, two Muslim criminals who were fleeing from the police took refuge in an electrical substation and were electrocuted. The country was subsequently wracked by weeks of riots and arson by its large Muslim population, because the deaths of these two youths were “obviously” the fault of the racist, Islamophobic French police for trying to bring them to justice, and not the fault of the Muslim fugitives themselves for committing crimes. In Britain, the Bishop of Rochester complained that certain areas in British cities were virtual “no go” zones for non-Muslims. For pointing this out, the bishop has received numerous death threats, and Muslim commentators issue dire, thinly-veiled threats of “what might happen” if British society continues to be so racist and Islamophobic. Most recently, in Germany, a Moroccan immigrant attempted to rob a 20-year old German, and was killed when the German (rightly) defended himself. As a result, Muslims in Germany have used this opportunity to condemn the racist, Islamophobic German society and to threaten violence and rioting, rather than condemning one of their own who attempted to commit a violent crime. These are just four examples of a much wider pattern of behavior exhibited by Muslim immigrants to European countries – failure to assimilate, the formation of religious enclaves that are actively hostile to the surrounding native populations, criminality and welfare exploitation, followed by threatened or actual violence and civil strife when the Muslims are “offended” by the native Europeans actually defending themselves. This is all shielded by cries of “racism” and “Islamophobia” that are designed to generate sympathy and the fear of lawsuits or legal prosecution by left-leaning governments against those who challenge this state of affairs.

        In addition to this roundabout method, there are numerous other, more straight-forward passages in the Qur’an that exhort the followers of Mohammed to war:

        “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.” (Surah 9:5)
        This passage is found in a portion of the Qur’an dealing with the making and breaking of treaties with pagans (i.e. unbelievers). In context, it is condoned for Muslims to break treaties with pagans if it is to their advantage to do so, unless those pagans have been completely faithful in the discharge of their treaty obligations. But, after the terms of the treaty are met (the forbidden months are past), Muslims are commanded to make war. The historical context is that in ancient times, both in Arabia and elsewhere, treaties were most often made for specific periods of time. During that time period, both parties were expected to be completely faithful in the discharge of their obligations under the terms of the treaty. After the treaty term had ended, all bets were off. Groups that had been allies for a period of time might then turn on each other in the most vicious manner after the treaty time ended, without any loss of honor for either side. In our context, the Qur’an tells Muslims that pagan or unbelieving groups with whom they do not currently have a treaty are open to the prosecution of offensive war. The particular treaty that lies at the heart of this passage was merely temporary, lasting four months, and was interpreted, as we will see, by later Islamic scholars as nullifying any other treaties between Muslims and infidels – which would essentially mean that NO treaties are now to be considered binding. Indeed, as can be seen through the Islamic notion of hudna, radical Muslims do not feel themselves bound to respect any pact which they might sign with non-Muslims, and will break such agreements as soon as they feel it is to their advantage to do so.

        Likewise, in Surah 9:73, Mohammed is commanded to press hard war against unbelievers,

        “O Prophet! strive hard against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.”
        Also,

        “O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him). ” (Surah 9:123, Pickthal translation)
        “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” (Surah 9:29)

        Each of these verses, in context, is dealing with waging offensive war against unbelievers for the purpose of spreading Islam. As with the previous verses which we saw, Muslims will often try to claim that these verses promote defensive warfare only, and that offensive war to propagate Islam is not quranical. They say this in the hopes that their audience, most likely non-Muslims, will not be conversant in the Qur’an, and hence will be unaware of the contextual environment in which these verses appear, nor with the history of interpretation pertaining to these verses. A straight-forward reading of the appropriate suwar and surrounding passages using a little common sense will contextually demonstrate the offensive nature of these verses to the unbiased reader.”

      • kaici

        no its to easy to criticize islam inspiring by false hadiths .and some verses that you don’t want to understand that they appears in different circomstances in times of our prophet .you inspired also from some false haditjs of el bukhari and some fetwas especially wahabists
        let me tell you once again that islam is a religion of peace ,love and tolerance ..look aroud you ..who are victims of barbarians crimes? muslims .the last bomb was exploded in mecca NOT IN VATICAN ..so if they were muslims tell me why they killed muslims like them and blast mosquees in syria and irak ? are they infidels like you write ? no at all 0they are believers and muslims .so try to answer to that situation ..emir abdelkader an algerian muslim hero saved christians in syria persecuted by muslims ..in second world war muslims hide jews from shoah and gave them false papers in paris mosquee and they are many events in history that prove the greatest of our religion
        there is much more but i will end it here

  34. mbplee

    kaici, you Muslims condemn idol worshippers and those who do not believe in a creator, yet you blithely worships a “myth” and believe that you are superior in your intellect and belief. But is worshipping a myth any more superior to worshipping idols or being a non-believer? You live in a similar fantasy and you are just as gullible as the others.

    “The Pagan Roots of Allah

    by Fesenjoon2
    25-Sep-2012

    In spite of the prevalent mainstream description of Allah, there continues to exist a somewhat controversial of Islam, put forth by some scholars and a number of Christian groups [1][2][3], in which it is claimed that the Islamic deity Allah has pre-Islamic pagan roots stemming from local mythology. According to this “popular”[4] view, the chief deity of pre-Islamic Mecca “was the moon-god called al-ilah (meaning the god or the idol), which was shortened to Allah in pre-Islamic times”.[5]

    One line of this argument has been publicized in recent times by the author/pastor Robert Morey in his book ”The moon-god Allah in the archeology of the Middle East”. Morey, who cites among other references a 1950s era archeological excavation in Hazor, Israel, argues that the same name of God of Islam, Arabic ”Allah”, was an epithet of Hubal in pre-Islamic Mecca.

    As such, the lunar calendar is also claimed to be a result of this origination.[6-7] Islamic scholars have of course rejected these claims,[8] some even calling them “insulting”.[9] And there certainly have been valid points to be made in this regard. For example, while the crecent symbol seen in flags and other Islamic emblems have claimed to be a result of the Moon-God origin of Islam’s deity by some sources[10-13], muslim scholars contend that The Crescent and Star did not become symbols to the Muslims until the 12th century when “it was adopted by the Turks”, 700 years after the birth of Islam.[14]

    Nevertheless, “Allah” was known to pre-Islamic Arabia as it was one of the Meccan deities.[15-16] Mohammed’s father (Abd-allah), for example, had Allah as part of his name.[17] Arthur Jeffrey for example states[18]:

    “The name Allah, as the Quran itself is witness, was well known in pre-Islamic Arabia. Indeed, both it and its feminine form, Allat, are found not infrequently among the theophorous names in inscriptions from North Arabia”.

    Wellhausen also viewed “Allah (al-ilah, the god)” to be “a form of abstraction” originating from Mecca’s local gods[19], and other scholars such as Frederick Victor Winnett also mention Allah and Allat to have roots in Moon and Sun deities.[20]

    The Moon-God deity of pre-Islam is also not without precedence[21], as has been documented by scholars such as Green et al.[22] Indeed, lunar deities have been well documented in pre-Islamic urban centers such as Harran, Sumer, Babylon, and Ur, which served as “the chief seat of the lunar deity known as Nannar or Sin.”[23] As such, it is argued that “Allah” has it’s origins in the Sumerian God ”Ilah”:

    “Allah [al-ilah] himself was ancient – a thousand years before Mohammed the Persians wrote ‘Allah is exalted’ – but he was only one of many deities.”[24]

    Still, some authors have contended that the Islamic deity “is derived from Semitic El, and originally applied to the moon; [which] seems to have been preceded by Ilmaqah, the moon god.”[25] Others have made the direct connection between the two:

    “The god Il or Ilah was originally a phase of the Moon God, but early in Arabian history the name became a general term for god, and it was this name that the Hebrews used prominently in their personal names, such as Emanuel, Israel, etc., rather than the Bapal of the northern semites proper, which was the Sun. Similarly, under Mohammed’s tutelage, the relatively anonymous Ilah became Al-Ilah, The God, or Allâh, the Supreme Being.”[26]

    and Alfred Guillaume has noted that Ilah was a name applied to the moon-god among some Pre-Islamic Arabian tribes, and that certain scholars believe that Ilah in pre-Islamic Arabia was a title of the moon god:

    “The oldest name for God used in the Semitic world consists of but two letters, the consonant ‘l’ preceded by a smooth breathing, which was pronounced ‘Il’ in ancient Babylonia, ‘El’ in ancient Israel. The relation of this name, which in Babylonia and Assyria became a generic term simply meaning ‘god’, to the Arabian Ilah familiar to us in the form Allah, which is compounded of al, the definite article, and Ilah by eliding the vowel ‘i’, is not clear. Some scholars trace the name to the South Arabian Ilah, a title of the Moon god, but this is a matter of antiquarian interest…it is clear from Nabataean and other inscriptions that Allah meant ‘the god’.”[27]”

    There is much more but I will end it here.

  35. mbplee

    kaici. this in in reply to your post of July 6th. You said.

    “.who are victims of barbarians crimes? muslims .the last bomb was exploded in mecca NOT IN VATICAN ..so if they were muslims tell me why they killed muslims like them and blast mosquees in syria and irak ? are they infidels like you write ? no at all 0they are believers and muslims .so try to answer to that situation ”

    If you understand Muslims and Islam, the answer is quite simple. Muslims are so arrogant that only their own beliefs are right and all others are wrong. Hence if you are wrong you are not one of them you are an infidel even if you are a Sunni or Shia.

    “Sunni Muslims argue their interpretation of Islam follows the ways of Mohammed (the Sunnah), Shias claim Ali was the rightful first caliph and only his descendants could claim to be the true leaders of Muslims.

    Both sides claim to be the one “pure” branch of Islam.”

    So if one side is “pure” (True Islam) the other side must be “impure” or infidel and hence the enemy and should be killed. I am surprised that you as a Muslim have not been able to see that. So if one Muslim sect sees another Muslim sect as impure and should be killed, how much more is the justification to kill those who do not ever recognise Allah as their god? This shows the rigidity of Islamic beliefs and their inflexibility, and their lack of compassion or love, or tolerance of anything but the true orthodox fundamentalist Islam. The rift between Sunni and Shia has existed since the time of the death of Muhammad, 1400 years ago, and will no doubt continue so long as Islam exists. Such is the love and peace that is exemplified in Islam. Please no matter how you may try to window dress Islam, history speaks for itself.

    • Salimisslim

      Mbplee, as I already said before, you still use the same tactics: Flooding us with overwhelmingly half-truths and lies about Islam covered in a vague blanket of references and sorces which scarcely have academic basis, in order to deceive people in believing that moslims are bad and evil. You know quite well that it’s impossible for the readers to examine all this false flood of information, but you keep doing it to trick your audience to eventually buy into all that “Islam-is-bad” nonesens stuff.

      So, in order to defend and justify terrorism, deceit and lying practiced by advocators of the New World Order and Order of Created Choas , Zionists and Evangelist zionists, you draw a difference between what you consider to be political or religious terror and deceit. As if wars and deceit used by this Masonic destructive bigots (so-calle politically ignited wars) are good and therefore acceptable, whereas wars triggered by religious motives are bad and therefore rejectable. While all wars are the same and are unjustifiable.

      In your cherry-picked and deceitful approach, you commented on only 2 excerpts of the quotes I cited in my post above, but you ignored all the rest (more than 20 quotes) to suit your absurd and wierd arguments which state that it is ok to wage political deceitful wars but not ok to engage in religious ones. It’s also permissable and even desirable for Jews and Christians to lie in certain circumstances, but absolutely not for Muslims. This is called bold-faced and double-standards hypocrisy! Our Prophet Muhammad, (peace be upon him) warned us in this regard of the hypocrites, when he said that among the signs of the hypocrite is when he speaks, he lies: “The signs of a hypocrite are three: Whenever he speaks, he tells a lie; and whenever he promises, he breaks his promise; and whenever he is entrusted, he betrays (proves to be dishonest)”. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 73, Number 117)”

      So no more dodging and lying, and let’s talk about the “Taqiyya” (or the deceptive wars and lying as you claim to mean) practiced by (Zionist) Christians, Jews and other extremist and fanatic individuals and groups.

      1. The Menorah: A Monthly Magazine for the Jewish Home expounds:
      Deception in war…is legitimate according to Jewish law. Joshua used stratagem in capturing the city of Ai (Josh. viii), and the same was copied against Bejamin (Jud. xx). Ehud ben Gera killed Eglon, King of Moab, by disguise and deceit (Jud. iii., 20-22)…In our own times Gen. Fred Funston devised an artful plan to entrap Emilio Aguinaldo. Such deceit, however, is recommended in order to avoid needless bloodshed and hasten peace

      2. Rabbi Telushkin says the same in his book entitled A Code of Jewish Ethics, and even indicates that assassinations by stealth are permitted according to the Bible: “During a war, one may deceive enemies. The Bible relates how Ya’el, a Kenite woman, invited the fleeing Canaanite general Sisera into her tent: “Turn aside, my Lord, turn aside to me; have no fear,” she told him, before lulling Sisera to sleep and then killing him…The prophetess Deborah praised Ya’el for her deception of Sisera (Judges 5:24-26; see also Judges 4:17-21) …In short, in the proper circumstances, deception is not only tolerated, but applauded”

      3. The British and Foreign Evangelical Review says of Ya’el and Sisera: “That there was treachery, is admitted on all hands. The whole question resolves itself into this: Did Sisera deserve to be treacherously dealt with? Was Jael [Ya’el] justified in taking the advantage of him [as] she did? …If the deceptions of war we noticed just now [in the Bible] are not immoral, then we regard Jael’s act as morally defensible…She must use stratagem to kill him.”

      4. In a section entitled When Deceptions becomes Legitimate, The British and Foreign Evangelical Review writes: “Again, we find in the conquest that the Israelites were directed [by God] to practise certain deceptions upon their enemies…The moral aspect of these cases of deception on the part of God…[are justified by the] general understanding that in such circumstances “everything is fair” that can secure an advantage…There is no moral delinquency, therefore, in denying the whole truth to men, that is, in practising deception upon them, when it is understood that deception is part of the risk of war.”

      5. Christian professor Dr. Michael Heiser concurs that the “act of deception” and even “outright lie” is tolerated in war, even “HOLY war.” In a post entitled “Does God lie,” Prof. Heiser says that God uses deception, and even argues that Jesus himself used deception: “We know that there are specific statements asserting very clearly that God does not tell lies (e.g., Num. 23:19, Titus 1:2). However, God does use deception. Some of you no doubt will want to define lying so that it includes deception, but that is not only unwise, it puts you (and God) in a theological pickle…Why did Jesus demand deception (withholding the truth) on occasion? Why is that permissible?”

      6. GOD Almighty MADE PEOPLE LIE lin the Bible, beyond their wills:
      * Bible defines “Lying Spirits by GOD” to mean GOD MAKES YOU LIE; you have no will (2 Samuel 12:7-12). David’s wives were even made prostitutes as a punishment for David’s adultery-sin.
      * Made to be prostitutes by GOD: In 2 Samuel 12:7-12, King David’s wives were turned into ***** prostitutes by GOD Almighty as a punishment for David’s sins with Bathsheba. This means that GOD Almighty can create custom Laws for punishment even if they fully contradict GOD Almighty’s Moral Code on morality and chastity. Also, seduction and RAPING of virgins isn’t a physically punishable crime in the Bible. (See Deuteronomy 22:25-29).

      7. Thou shalt not LIE, but yet, GOD Almighty supposedly detailed for Samuel how to trick & tell HALF TRUTH to Saul:
      Samuel’s trip wasn’t primarily for sacrificing to the LORD. It was to a rub oil on the next king of Israel. But because it was life threatening to Samuel, GOD Almighty allowed for Samuel to trick Saul (1 Samuel 16:1-13).

      7. The Bible permitted lying for the sake of spreading the Faith:
      Paul permitted lying in Romans 3:1-8 &Philippians 1:15-18:
      * Paul in admitted that he lied or that he might resort to lying for the sake of spreading GOD Almighty’s Truth

      8.Did Jesus here practice Taqiya (as it is claimed by mbplee to mean deceit and lying)?
      Jews Jesus Christ did say that he wasn’t going to the festival, but he then shortly after went up there anyway, not publically but in secret, for fear of being killed by the jews.. (John 7:1-13).

      How about THE JEWISH TALMUD, the “Holy Writ” for the Jews?!!!

      STEALING and MURDERING a GOY (a non-Jew) is permissable:
      9. * “If a ‘goy’ (Gentile) hits a Jew he must be killed.” (Sanhedrin 58b)
      10. * “If a Jew finds an object lost by a ‘goy’ it does not have to be returned.” (Baba Mezia 24a)
      11. * “If a Jew murders a ‘goy’ there will be no death penalty.” (Sanhedrin 57a)
      12. * What a Jew steals from a ‘goy’ he may keep.” (Sanhedrin 57a)

      HATRED TOWARDS THE GENTILES (Non-Jews):
      13. * “The ‘goyim’ are not humans. They are beasts.” (Baba Mezia 114b)
      14. * “If you eat with a ‘goy’ it is the same as eating with a dog.” (Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b)
      15. * “Even the best of the ‘goyim’ should all be killed.” (Soferim 15)
      16. * “Sexual intercourse between the ‘goyim’ is like intercourse between animals.” (Sanhedrin 74b)
      17. * “When it comes to a Gentile in peace times, one may harm him indirectly, for instance, by removing a ladder after he had fallen into a crevice.” (Shulkan Arukh, Yoreh De ‘ah, 158, Hebrew Edition only)

      BLASPHEMIES AGAINST JESUS CHRIST, THE VIRGIN MARY,
      & ALL CHRISTIANS
      18. * “‘Yashu’ (derogatory for ‘Jesus’) is in Hell being boiled in hot excrement.” (Gittin 57a) [’Yashu’ is an acronym for the Jewish curse, ‘May his (Jesus) name be wiped out forevermore.’]
      19. * Yashu (Jesus) was sexually immoral and worshipped a brick.” (Sanhedrin 107b)
      20. * “Yashu (Jesus) was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness and refused to repent.” (Sotah 47a)
      21.* “Miriam the hairdresser had sex with many men.” (Shabbath 104b, Hebrew Edition only)
      22. * “She who was the descendant of princes and governors (the virgin Mary) played the harlot with carpenters.” (Sanhedrin 106a)
      23. * “Christians who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations.” (Rosh Hashanah 17a)

      CRIMES OF WAR
      24. Robert Fisk, from The Independent, writes: “Israel and Israel’s militia allies (on 16 September 1982) started their three-day orgy of rape, knifing and murder in the Palestinian refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila that cost 1,800 lives. It followed an Israeli invasion of Lebanon designed to drive the PLO (Palestine Liberation Organisation) out of the country and given the green light [by the United States] which cost the lives of 17,500 Lebanese and Palestinians, almost all of them civilians.”

      25. “The horrific massacre of 8,000 Muslims – some unarmed – at Srebrenica in 1995 never led to a stream of pieces about the violence and repressive tendencies of Christianity.” – William Dalrymple, The Independent UK.

      26. The Tenth Crusade wars waged by the big liars BUSH and Blair.

      The list about TERRORISM, LIES and DECPTION in the Bible and Talmud as well as the Western war crimes and war criminals is beyond the scope of this reply, but if you want more information in order to have a fuller understanding, then I’ll be glad to provide it to you.

      • mbplee

        Salimissim, said:
        “as I already said before, you still use the same tactics: Flooding us with overwhelmingly half-truths and lies about Islam covered in a vague blanket of references and sorces which scarcely have academic basis, in order to deceive people in believing that moslims are bad and evil. You know quite well that it’s impossible for the readers to examine all this false flood of information, but you keep doing it to trick your audience to eventually buy into all that “Islam-is-bad” nonesens stuff.

        So, in order to defend and justify terrorism, deceit and lying practiced by advocators of the New World Order and Order of Created Choas , Zionists and Evangelist zionists, you draw a difference between what you consider to be political or religious terror and deceit. As if wars and deceit used by this Masonic destructive bigots (so-calle politically ignited wars) are good and therefore acceptable, whereas wars triggered by religious motives are bad and therefore rejectable. While all wars are the same and are unjustifiable.”

        Salimissim, it is not I who is putting out half-truths, but it is you (Muslims) who are unwilling to see the truth. It is not I who is trying to deceive but you9Muslims) who are blind to the truth and historical facts. Yet. Muslims keep on telling me that it is a major sin to tell a lie. Let me quote the following and see if you can deny it. Islam (Muslims) have been practicing Islamic Jihad for the past 1400 years and have not abated and have thus killed thousands upon thousands of lives.

        “Legacy of the religion of peace

        As shown above, violent jihad and its proponents are threatening the West as you read this. How many of those threats are credible and how many are empty bravado is anyone’s guess, but some fraction are real. Islamic jihad is killing people around the world – a toll that is being added to every week.

        This rage against civilization is nothing new. The first thousand years of Islamic jihad took far more lives than the 9/11 attacks and spread far greater terror. Early Muslims systematically killed huge portions of their non-Islamic neighbors, and their jihadi warriors pushed far north in an attempt to convert or eradicate much of Europe. Jihad was then, as it is now, primarily a product of Islamic theology – not a reaction against American policies, George Bush, western decadence, or anything else. The West may have its share of vice and shortcomings, but it was centuries of Islamic jihad that provoked that violent defensive thrust from Europe referred to as the First Crusade.

        The history of Islamic jihad which led up to the First Crusade is briefly summarized below. Scan the timeline if just to ask yourself if or at what point YOU would have ordered a defensive strike:

        622 Muhammad and approximately 75 to 200 followers are driven out of Mecca by persecution. They are invited to take refuge in the farming community of Medina, and arrive on September 24, 622. For multiple reasons, Muhammad and his Muhajirun establish a religious syndicate. Resistance to recognize Muhammad’s religious authority is perhaps for the first recorded time met with violence.

        623 Muhammad adopts the legitimized Bedouin practice of raiding and killing and takes to ambushing caravans. Raiding attacks at Waddam, Safwan, and Dul-‘Ashir take place.

        624 A vast annual merchant convoy of great value is headed from Mecca to Syria. It is supported by many troops, well aware of Muhammad’s reputation by this time. In March of 624, Muhammad successfully ambushes it at Badr. His strategy of overcoming superior numbers is credited to shrewd tactics and, perhaps for the first time, the promise of heavenly orgies and wealth for all who die while fighting for him. The financial blow to Mecca is significant; the newfound wealth to Muhammad and the Muhajirun more so.

        624 Attacks are made upon Bani Salim, Eid-ul-Fitr, Zakat-ul-Fitr, Bani Qainuqa, Sawiq, Ghatfan, and Bahran.

        625 Attacks made at Uhud, Humra-ul-Asad, Banu Nudair, and Dhatur-Riqa.

        626 Attacks at Badru-Ukhra, Dumatul-Jandal, and Banu Mustalaqq Nikah.

        627 Battle of the Trench (where Muhammad is significantly wounded). Additional battles fought at Ahzab, Bani Quraiza, Bani Lahyan, Ghaiba, and Khaibar.

        628 Unable to attain victory over the Quarish of Mecca, Muhammad signs the Al-Hudaybiyya – a ten year peace treaty.

        630 Eighteen months after signing the agreed upon ceasefire, Muhammad marshals his forces outside Mecca. During the Holy Truce months he surprise attacks and conquers Quarish forces. His violation of the peace treaty is celebrated as the first “hudna”.

        630 Two years before Muhammad’s death of a fever, he launches the Tabuk Crusades, in which he led 30,000 jihadists against the Byzantine Christians. He had heard a report that a huge army had amassed to attack Arabia, but the report turned out to be a false rumor. The Byzantine army never materialized.

        He turned around and went home, but not before extracting “agreements” from northern tribes. They could enjoy the “privilege” of living under Islamic “protection” (read: not be attacked by Islam), if they paid a tax. This tax sets the stage for Muhammad’s and the later Caliphs’ policies. If the attacked city or region did not want to convert to Islam, then they paid a jizya tax. If they converted, then they paid a zakat tax. Either way, money flowed back to the Islamic treasury in Arabia or to the local Muslim governor.

        632-634 Under the Caliphate of Abu Bakr, the Muslim Crusaders reconquer and sometimes conquer for the first time the polytheists of Arabia. These Arab polytheists had to convert to Islam or die. They did not have the choice of remaining in their faith and paying a tax.

        633 The Muslim Crusaders, led by Khalid al-Walid, a superior but bloodthirsty military commander, whom Muhammad nicknamed the Sword of Allah for his ferocity in battle (Tabari, 8:158 / 1616-17), conquer the city of Ullays along the Euphrates River (in today’s Iraq). Khalid captures and beheads so many that a nearby canal, into which the blood flowed, was called Blood Canal (Tabari 11:24 / 2034-35).

        633 Additional attacks at Oman, Hadramaut, Kazima, Walaja, Ulleis, and Anbar.

        634 At the Battle of Yarmuk in Syria the Muslim Crusaders defeat the Byzantines. Today Osama bin Laden draws inspiration from the defeat, and especially from an anecdote about Khalid al-Walid… Osama bin Laden quotes Khalid and says that his fighters love death more than we in the West love life.

        634 Additional attacks on Basra, Damascus, Ajnadin, Namaraq, and Saqatia. Around 4,000 Jewish, Christian, and Samaritan peasants are executed from Gaza to Cesarea. Muslim chronicler Baladhuri would later record in the ninth century that 40,000 Jews had successfully been destroyed in Cesarea by his day.

        634 Abu Bakr calls for a war against infidels.

        634-644 The Caliphate of Umar ibn al-Khattab, who is regarded as particularly brutal.

        635 Muslim Crusaders besiege and finally conquer Damascus. Additional battles of Bridge, Buwaib, and Fahl.

        636 Muslim Crusaders defeat Byzantines decisively at Battle of Yarmuk.

        637 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iraq at the Battle of al-Qadisiyyah (some date it in 635 or 636).

        638 Defeating Roman forces, Muslim Crusaders conquer and annex Jerusalem, taking it from the Byzantines.

        638-650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iran, except along Caspian Sea.

        639 Thousands die from starvation in and around Constantinople due to ravaged and burned fields by Islamic raiders.

        639-642 Muslim Crusaders conquer Egyptian forces.

        641 Muslim Crusaders control Syria and Palestine.

        642 Battle of Ravy in Persia.

        643 Conquest of Azarbaijan.

        643-707 Muslim Crusaders conquer North Africa.

        644 Caliph Umar is assassinated by a Persian prisoner of war; Uthman ibn Affan is elected third Caliph, who is regarded by many Muslims as gentler than Umar.

        644-650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Cyprus, Tripoli in North Africa, and establish Islamic rule in Iran, Afghanistan, and Sind.

        648 Byzantine campaign begins.

        656 Caliph Uthman is assassinated by disgruntled Muslim soldiers; Ali ibn Abi Talib, son-in-law and cousin to Muhammad, who married the prophet’s daughter Fatima through his first wife Khadija, is set up as Caliph.

        656 Battle of the Camel, in which Aisha, Muhammad’s wife, leads a rebellion against Ali for not avenging Uthman’s assassination. Ali’s partisans win.

        657 Battle of Siffin between Ali and Muslim governor of Jerusalem, arbitration goes against Ali.

        658 Battle of Nahrawan.

        659 Egypt finally falls to Islamic crusaders.

        661 Murder of Ali by an extremist; Ali’s supporters acclaim his son Hasan as next Caliph, but he comes to an agreement with Muawiyyah I and retires to Medina.

        661-680 the Caliphate of Muawiyyah I. He founds Umayyid dynasty and moves capital from Medina to Damascus

        673-678 Arabs besiege Constantinople, capital of Byzantine Empire

        680 Massacre of Hussein (Muhammad’s grandson), his family, and his supporters in Karbala, Iraq.

        685 During the Caliphate of of Abd-al-Malik, Christian farmers of the Negev and Samaria are driven out. Pillaged and abandoned, the farms go desolate.

        687 Battle of Kufa.

        691 Dome of the Rock is completed in Jerusalem, six decades after Muhammad’s death.

        700-720 Abd al-Malik singles out Christians for forced conversion to Islam or death – often by crucifixion.

        705 Abd al-Malik restores Umayyad rule.

        710-713 Muslim Crusaders conquer the lower Indus Valley.

        711-713 Muslim Crusaders conquer Spain and impose the kingdom of Andalus. Also invade Gibraltar.

        713 Conquest of Multan.

        716 Invasion of Constantinople.

        719 Cordova, Spain, becomes seat of Arab governorship.

        732 The Muslim Crusaders are stopped at the Battle of Poitiers; that is, Franks (France) halt Arab advance. The Battle of Tours.

        741 The Battle of Bagdoura in North Africa.

        746 The Battle of Rupar Thutha.

        768 The Battle of Ravy.

        749 The Abbasids conquer Kufah and overthrow Umayyids.

        750 The Battle of Zab.

        756 Foundation of Umayyid emirate in Cordova, Spain, setting up an independent kingdom from Abbasids.

        762 Foundation of Baghdad

        772 Caliph al-Mansur visits Jerusalem and orders an identifying mark be stamped on the hands of all Christians and Jews.

        777 The Battle of Saragossa in Spain.

        785 Foundation of the Great Mosque of Cordova

        786-809 During the Caliphate of Harun al-Rashid, Christians and Jews are ordered to wear yellow identification patches on their clothing. Eventually yellow would be used to signify “Jew” and blue used to identify “Christian”. Neither Jews nor Christians were allowed to wear green – green was reserved for use by Muslims only.

        789 Rise of Idrisid emirs (Muslim Crusaders) in Morocco; foundation of Fez; Christoforos, a Muslim who converted to Christianity, is executed.

        800 Autonomous Aghlabid dynasty (Muslim Crusaders) in Tunisia.

        807 Caliph Harun al-Rashid orders the destruction of non-Muslim prayer houses and of the Church of Mary Magdalene in Jerusalem.

        809 Aghlabids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Sardinia, Italy.

        813 Christians in Palestine are attacked; many flee the country.

        831 Muslim Crusaders capture of Palermo, Italy; raids in Southern Italy.

        847-861 Under Caliph al-Mutawakkil, once again Christians and Jews are required to wear the blue and yellow patches, respectively.

        850 Caliph al-Matawakkil orders the destruction of non-Muslim houses of prayer, and orders Christians and Jews to attach wooden devils to the doors of their homes.

        855 Revolt of the Christians of Hims (Syria)

        837-901 Aghlabids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Sicily, raid Corsica, Italy, France.

        869-883 Revolt of black slaves in Iraq.

        909 Rise of the Fatimid Caliphate in Tunisia; these Muslim Crusaders occupy Sicily, Sardinia.

        928-969 Byzantine military revival, they retake old territories, such as Cyprus (964) and Tarsus (969).

        937 The Ikhshid, a particularly harsh Muslim ruler, writes to Emperor Romanus, boasting of his control over the holy places.

        937 The Church of the Resurrection (known as Church of Holy Sepulcher in Latin West) is burned down by Muslims; more churches in Jerusalem are attacked .

        960 Conversion of Qarakhanid Turks to Islam

        966 Anti-Christian riots in Jerusalem

        969 Fatimids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Egypt and found Cairo.

        970 Seljuks enter conquered Islamic territories from the East.

        973 Israel and southern Syria are again conquered by the Fatimids.

        998-1030 The seventeen Indian campaigns of Mahmud of Ghazna.

        1003 First persecutions by al-Hakim; the Church of St. Mark in Fustat, Egypt, is destroyed.

        1009 Looting and destruction of the Church of the Resurrection by al-Hakim (see 937). Also included removing the physical foundation of the building and the adjacent cemetery.

        1012 Beginning of al-Hakim’s oppressive decrees against Jews and Christians. Decrees like having to wear black turbans, Christians having to wear a cross around their necks the length of a cubit and five “ratl”s in weight, Jews having to wear a wooden calf around their necks of the same weight,…

        1015 Earthquake in Palestine; the dome of the Dome of the Rock collapses.

        1031 Collapse of Umayyid Caliphate and establishment of 15 minor independent dynasties throughout Muslim Andalus

        1048 Reconstruction of the Church of the Resurrection completed

        1050 Creation of Almoravid (Muslim Crusaders) movement in Mauretania; Almoravids (also known as Murabitun) are coalition of western Saharan Berbers; followers of Islam, focusing on the Qur’an, the Hadith, and Maliki law.

        1055 Seljuk Prince Tughrul enters Baghdad, consolidation of the Seljuk Sultanate.

        1055 Confiscation of property of Church of the Resurrection

        1066 An Arab mob seizes the vizier of Granada, Spain, Joseph HaNaid, and crucifies him. Muslims massacre the city’s Jewish quarter that night, December 30 – an approximate 5,000 murdered.

        1071 Battle of Manzikert, Seljuk Turks (Muslim Crusaders) defeat Byzantines and occupy much of Anatolia.

        1071 Turks (Muslim Crusaders) invade Palestine.

        1073 Conquest of Jerusalem by Turks (Muslim Crusaders)

        1075 Seljuks (Muslim Crusaders) capture Nicea (Iznik) and make it their capital in Anatolia.

        1076 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) (see 1050) conquer western Ghana.

        1077 Atsiz b. Awaq marches on Jerusalem promising to give them quarter. They open the gates to him whereby his forces slaughter 3,000. Awaq proceeds to repeat variants of this successful feint at Ramla, Gaza, al-‘Arish, Damascus, and Jaffa.

        1085 Toledo is taken back by Christian armies.

        1086 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) (see 1050) send help to Andalus, Battle of Zallaca.

        1090-1091 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) occupy all of Andalus except Saragossa and Balearic Islands.

        1094 Byzantine Emperor Alexius Comnenus I asks western Christendom for help against Seljuk invasions of his territory; Seljuks are Muslim Turkish family of eastern origins; see 970.

        1095 Pope Urban II preaches the first Crusade; composed largely of civilian volunteers, the initial thrust is utterly slaughtered. A second attempt by government soldiers captures Jerusalem in 1099. (Come the 20th century, all the aforementioned provocations would be forgotten by many, and this year misremembered as the year Christianity went on a senseless killing spree.)

        1165 Jews in Yemen forced into converting to Islam or killed.

        1275 Jews in Morroco forced into converting to Islam or killed.

        1333 Jews in Baghdad forced into converting to Islam or killed.

        1453 The conquest of Constantinople.

        1465 Fez – Arab mobs attempt to purge all their resident Jews, leaving only 11 out of thousands.

        1678 Jews in Yemen again forced into converting to Islam or killed.

        1683 About the time a nervous King Louis XIV of France was cutting a deal with Ottoman empire Sultan Mehmet IV, Polish hussars led by King Jan Sobieski led a devastating attack against the Sultan’s superior forces at the gates of Vienna. It was so successful and so shocked the Muslim army that this September 12 battle saw the last Turkish siege of Vienna and the turning point in the thousand year armed expansion of Islam. The Ottoman empire’s northern borders would only shrink from here on.

        1785 Ali Burzi Pahsa attempts to purge Libya of Jews.

        1790-1792 Jews in Morroco forced into converting to Islam or killed.

        1804-1817 Conquest of West Africa by Uthman dan Fodio.

        1805 Muslims of Algiers massacre Jews.

        1815 Muslims of Algiers massacre Jews.

        1830 Muslims of Algiers massacre Jews.

        1864-1880 Three hundred Jews killed in Marrakesh, Morocco.

        1894 Ottoman Turks massacre over 200,000 Christian Armenians.

        1915 An additional 600,000 to 800,000 Armenians massacred by the Islamic government and their property seized for protesting sharia law in their country.”

        The above are facts, not half-truths. Until you can alter the Quran to say that they above are all sinful acts and not a part of Quranic Jihad, Islam is an Aggressive, Totalitarian Supremacist Theocratic Cult.
        Accept it, the history of Islam is Holy Jihad from the time Muhammad practice “racial cleansing of Jews” in Medina 1400 years ago. Islamic hatred of the Jews and Christians is “RECORDED IN THE QURAN FOR ALL TO READ.” Until Islamic scholars will acknowledge that the Quran is actually a man made manual of hatred and supremacy against all non-Muslims and make an effort to change their doctrines to fit in with 21st Century civilisation, there will never be peace in Islam.

    • revimfadli

      “So if one side is “pure” (True Islam) the other side must be ‘impure’ or infidel ”
      What a made up rule. i’m surprised you didn’t notice that. Takfir, ring a bell?

      • mbplee

        revimfadli, I am so pleased you did notice it. Thank you.

      • revimfadli

        You’re welcome. That showed the rigidity of anti-Islamic beliefs and their inflexibility, and their lack of compassion or love, or any idea that doesn’t help build anti-Islamic sentiments.

        “Such is the love and peace that is exemplified in Islam. ”
        So which part of Islam that order us to have this Sunni-Shia war? No verse=hoax? Do Muslim adulterers and prayer-skipper show how to demonstrate Islam? Please no matter how you may try to window dress anti-Islamic propaganda, logic speaks for itself.

      • mbplee

        revimfadli, thank you for your doubts. The Sunni-Shia disputes are not Quranic disputes and therefore will not be mentioned in the Quran. The Sunni-Shia dispute is a tribal dispute over the succession to Muhammad, i.e.,

        “Their division traces back to a Sunni–Shia schism following the death of the Islamic prophet Muhammad in the year 632. A dispute over succession to Muhammad as a caliph of the Islamic community spread across various parts of the world, which led to the Battle of Jamal and Battle of Siffin.”

        Muslim adulterers and prayer-skippers violate the edicts of the Quran and are thus sinners of Islam. The Quran and Ahadith speak for Islam – No Propaganda is needed.

      • revimfadli

        Thanks for confirming. Since there’s no command for the Sunni-Shia conflict in the Quran, therefore it was a fault of Muslims rather that a command “exemplified in Islam”, no?

        Now, you said yourself that “Muslim adulterers and prayer-skippers violate the edicts of the Quran and are thus sinners of Islam”, and didn’t call it something “exemplified in Islam”, so why don’t apply the same rule to the Sunni-Shia conflict?

  36. Salimisslim

    mbplee said:

    “I have spent the last 20 years making an UNBAISD comparative evaluation of Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Taoism, and Atheism WITHOUT PREJUDICE. I have delved at great lengths into the original origins of religions and cultures of peoples of this world.”

    The same misleading flood of information full of deception and lies. “Unbaisd comparative evaluation”???!!!! Honestly? What a joke??? No one who read through your posts would buy it anyway. Your arguments and so-called “facts” are anything except “UNBIASD” or “WITHOUT PREJUDICE”.

    First of all, in your list of the supposedly historical “facts”, no source is mentioned. The only sources upon which you keep drawing your claims are the anti-Muslim bigots, such as the extremist Jewish Zionist Pamela Geller and the fervent, zealous Catholic polemicist Robert Spence.

    Second, words and phrases such as “Muslim crusaders”, “bloodthirsty military commander” (referring to Khalid Ibn al-Walid), “brutal” Umar ibn al-Khattab, “ravaged and burned fields by Islamic raiders”, “murdered”, “slaughtered” by Muslims, along with bold-faced half-truths and lies such as Mohammed’s “violation of the peace treaty”, “These Arab polytheists had to convert to Islam or die”, “Khalid captures and beheads so many that a nearby canal, into which the blood flowed, was called Blood Canal”, “Jews in Yemen”/”Morocco”/”Bagdad” “forced into converting to Islam or killed” and the like stems from a deep-seated prejudice and hatred of Islam and Muslims.

    Third, the so-called facts are nothing but a subjective, distorted, preducied and biased account of history that has nothing to do with objective academic studies. You know that what you are propagating here is far from truth, and I know that too. Therefore, it’s up to other Non-Muslim readers and debators to go into Islam and study the source it in its original form (either in Arabic or translated) or read about it carefully and from honest (academic) mainstream sources ONLY, and determine for themselves what the truth is.

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    Ok, enough about your last reply, but what about the bloody and brutal terror triggered by other religions and cultures, mainly Judeo-Christian and Zionist atrocities comitted from the ancient times until now? I talked about that in my previous replies, but you said not a single word about it.

    GENOCIDE in the bible

    In fact, TERRORISM stems from the ancient times about 1200 B.C.E. (1800 before the Islam was resumed and renewd by the prophet Mohammed)

    “There is far more violence in the Bible than in the Qur’an; the idea that Islam imposed itself by the sword is a Western fiction, fabricated during the time of the Crusades when, in fact, it was Western Christians who were fighting brutal holy wars against Islam.”, said Karen Armstrong in this regard.

    Bruce Feiler writes of ancient history that “Jews and Christians who smugly console themselves that Islam is the only violent religion are willfully ignoring their past. Nowhere is the struggle between faith and violence described more vividly, and with more stomach-turning details of ruthlessness, than in the Hebrew Bible

    Some examples:

    What the Quran-bashers don’t want you to know is that the Bible is far more violent than the Quran. In fact, the Bible –unlike the Quran– glorifies GENOCIDE.

    The military conquest of the land of Canaan by the Hebrews in about 1200 B.C.E. is often characterized as “genocide” and has all but become emblematic of biblical violence and intolerance.

    God told Moses:

    “But of the cities of these peoples which the Lord your God gives you as an inheritance, you shall let nothing that breathes remain alive, but you shall utterly destroy them—the Hittite, Amorite, Canaanite, Perizzite, Hivite, and Jebusite—just as the Lord your God has commanded you, lest they teach you to do according to all their abominations which they have done for their gods, and you sin against the Lord your God” (Deut. 20:16-18)

    “So Joshua [Moses’ successor] conquered all the land: the mountain country and the South and the lowland and the wilderness slopes, and all their kings; he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the Lord, God of Israel had commanded.” (Josh. 10:40)

    “Now go, attack the Amalekites and utterly destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.” (1 Samuel 15:1) (Notice it was God Himself who ordered Saul to slaughter the Amalekites)

    “And he [the Lord] sent you on a mission, saying, ‘Go and completely destroy those wicked people, the Amalekites; make war on them until you have wiped them out.” (1 Samuel 15:18)

    “When the men were returning home after David had killed the Philistine, the women came out from all the towns of Israel to meet King Saul with singing and dancing, with joyful songs and with tambourines and lutes. As they danced, they sang: “Saul has slain his thousands, and David his tens of thousands.” (1 Samuel 18:6-7)
    (Saul was stripped of his kingship, which was given to David who was frankly just much better at killing civilians.)

    “The CRUSADES were in fact violent and led to atrocities by the modern world’s standards under the banner of the cross and in the name of Christianity. After breaching the walls of Jerusalem in 1099, for example, the Crusaders reportedly slaughtered almost every inhabitant of the Holy City. According to the medieval chronicle, the Gesta Danorum, “the slaughter was so great that our men waded in blood up to their ankles.” (The Fall of Jerusalem” Gesta Danorum, accessed Apr. 2, 2009)

    One can only imagine the reaction of the Islamophobes–Spencer, Geller, et al. –had the Quran glorified genocide in this way. In fact, they can never cite verses in the Quran that promote, sanction, or justify genocide –because they simply do not exist. Indeed, there are explicit statements of the Prophet Muhammad forbidding the killing of women and children.

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    IN MODERN TIMES

    The USA and Israel STATE TERRORISM

    Robert Fisk, from The Independent, writes: “Israel and Israel’s militia allies (on 16 September 1982) started their three-day orgy of rape, knifing and murder in the Palestinian refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila that cost 1,800 lives. It followed an Israeli invasion of Lebanon designed to drive the PLO (Palestine Liberation Organisation) out of the country and given the green light [by the United States] which cost the lives of 17,500 Lebanese and Palestinians, almost all of them civilians.”

    According to Professor Noam Chomsky, “It’s uncontroversial that the United States is a leading terrorist state. In fact, it’s the only state that was condemned for international terrorism by the highest bodies: the International Court of Justice in 1986.”
    Similarly, “The horrific massacre of 8,000 Muslims – some unarmed – at Srebrenica in 1995 never led to a stream of pieces about the violence and repressive tendencies of Christianity.” – William Dalrymple, The Independent UK.

    “The carnage wrought by Western, ostensibly Christian, leaders over the last six decades – including a world war and a cold war, a Holocaust, two atomic bombs, repression of wars of independence, the fuelling of proxy wars, nuclear brinksmanship, and the support of dictators and state and non-state terrorists – makes it spurious to view Islam as a more inherently violent religion or civilisation.” – Rama Mani (Geneva Centre for Security Policy)

    Robert Fisk, from The Independent, writes: “Israel and Israel’s militia allies (on 16 September 1982) started their three-day orgy of rape, knifing and murder in the Palestinian refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila that cost 1,800 lives. It followed an Israeli invasion of Lebanon designed to drive the PLO (Palestine Liberation Organisation) out of the country and given the green light [by the United States] which cost the lives of 17,500 Lebanese and Palestinians, almost all of them civilians.”

    A practice of the TALMUDIC teachings in modern times

    Israeli rabbi: Israeli soldiers can rape Palestinian women (See more at: http://en.institutomanquehue.org/issues/women-s-issues/israeli-rabbi-soldiers-can-rape-palestinian-women.html#sthash.NWBRkU9w.dpuf)

    Rabbi Yisrael: All Palestinians Must Be Killed, Men, Women, Infants and Beasts (See more at: http://en.institutomanquehue.org/issues/human-rights/yisrael-palestinians-killed-women-men-infants-beasts.html#sthash.Q0eCPWr9.dpuf)

    How US Rabbis & Israel Traffic In Human Organs & Money Laundering (See more at: http://en.institutomanquehue.org/publications/news/rabbis-traffic-human-organs.html#sthash.rcgaSmLX.dpuf)

    APARTHEID ISREALI STATE TERRORIST

    Some Racist statements by main Israeli and Zionist figures

    * “The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more”…. Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time – August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000.

    * ” (The Palestinians are) beasts walking on two legs.” Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, “Begin and the Beasts”. New Statesman, 25 June 1982.

    * “The Palestinians” would be crushed like grasshoppers … heads smashed against the boulders and walls.” ” Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988.

    * “When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle.” Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

    * “How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to.” Golda Maier, March 8, 1969.

    * “There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed.” Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969.

    * “The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war.” Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha’aretz, 19 March 1972.

    * Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : “We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return.” Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. “The old will die and the young will forget.”

    * “We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel… Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours.” Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces – Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.

    * “We must do everything to ensure they (the Palestinian refugees) never do return” David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar’s Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.

    * “We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai.” David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

    * “We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.” Israel Koenig, “The Koenig Memorandum.”

    * “Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist… There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.” Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.

    * “We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?’ Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said ‘Drive them out!'” Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

    * Rabin’s description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet. “We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters” Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion’s special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From “The Arabs in Israel” by Sabri Jiryas.

    * “There are some who believe that the non-Jewish population, even in a high percentage, within our borders will be more effectively under our surveillance; and there are some who believe the contrary, i.e., that it is easier to carry out surveillance over the activities of a neighbor than over those of a tenant. [I] tend to support the latter view and have an additional argument:…the need to sustain the character of the state which will henceforth be Jewish…with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15 percent. I had already reached this fundamental position as early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my diary.” Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency’s Colonization Department. From Israel: an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, p.5.

    * “Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours… Everything we don’t grab will go to them.” Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

    * “It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands.” Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.

    * “Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment… Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly.” Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine,Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.

    * “One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail.” — Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 (Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1).

    * “We will establish ourselves in Palestine whether you like it or not…You can hasten our arrival or you can equally retard it. It is however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive powers being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world.” (Chaim Weizmann, Published in “Judische Rundschau,” No. 4, 1920).

    In light of the above, it is actually the Judeo-Christians who started Terrorism, genocide and crimes against humanity according to the modern standards not Islam. And they are still practicing this horrifying atroceties up to now through some Wrld Order American elites and prominent global Ziontists.

    • mbplee

      salimissim:The reference to “Islam and Jihad” is:
      http://www.provethebible.net/T2-Hist/Islam-10-jihad-1300.htm

      The facts are all there for all to read and for them to decide for themselves. Since you are a devout incorrigible Muslim, there is no point in my posting anything more for you as your mind is closed and rejects anything anyone has to say. All I can say is that you are wrong and you believe in a false doctrine; an Islamic doctrine of supremacy; a Fascist ideology.

      • revimfadli

        ” there is no point in my posting anything more for you as your mind is closed and rejects anything anyone has to say.”
        ” All I can say is that you are wrong and you believe in a false doctrine”
        Take a look in the mirror. Oh the irony

      • mbplee

        I find that most Muslims cannot view their beliefs impartially and can not study religious script impartially, and that is the failing of Muslims. They become bigoted and entrenched in their views.

      • revimfadli

        Saying things such as “there’s no point in talking to you anymore, for you’re gonna stick to your faith” is a sign of holding such mentioned bigotry itself. Further reinforced by saying “you belief in a false belief”

  37. Salimisslim

    What a farce! The one with wide knowledge, who claims to have studied Islam and other religions thouroughly, “delved at great lenghts into the origins of religions and cultures”, with a great deal of “experience” and “maturity”, the one who is critical, “unbiased”, “without prejudice”, “travelled and seen much of the world”, and bla, bla, bla, gets some (if not all) of his sources from a site of an Evangelical Christian Zionists, who are notorious for their shameless lies, intense hatred/bigotry and animosity towards Islam and Muslims. In your recomended link, no evidence or source whatsoever is given. Nothing, zip, zilch, nada!!! You probably gave me this link in order to trick others (who know little about Islam) into buying the myths and misconceptions that are put forward by these dubious sites and present them to us as (historical) facts.

    Take for example the following so-called “fact”: “1275 Jews in Morroco forced into converting to Islam or killed.”

    No objective evidence is found which supports this myth. On the contrary, On the Wikipedia on the History of the Jews in Morocco, we read that, generally speaking, Jews were protected and treated well, especially by the rulers at that time.

    “The Marinids proved themselves particularly friendly toward the Jews. When the still-fanatic mobs attacked them in 1275, the Merinid sultan Abu Yusuf Yaqub ibn Abd Al-Haq intervened personally to save them. The sovereigns of this dynasty benevolently received the Jewish ambassadors of the Christian kings of Spain and admitted Jews among their closest courtiers. Of these Jews, Khalifa b. Waqqāsa (Ruqqasa) became steward of the household of the sultan Abu Yaqub Yusuf an-Nasr and his intimate counselor. A victim of palace intrigues, he was put to death in 1302. His nephew, who was also named Khalifa, held the same office and suffered the same fate (1310). However, there were no repercussions against the Moroccan Jews as a result of the execution of their powerful coreligionists. They were the principal factors in the prosperity of the country. The Sahara gold trade, which was of primary importance, and the exchange with the Christian countries were completely under their control.”

    Another so-called fact mentioned by Provethebible.net: “1165 Jews in Yemen forced into converting to Islam or killed.”

    Apart from the above mentioned Evangelist site, Zionist and bigotry sites like http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org, http://www.islam-watch.org, http://www.jdl-uk.orgJewish (Jewish Defence League UK) and the like, I couldn’t find any objective and reliable evidence that bucks up this myth.

    Similarly, I couldn’t find any evidence which supports the (so-called) “fact” that states that in ” 1333 Jews in Baghdad (were) forced into converting to Islam or killed”.

    There are other myths which are presented on Provethebible.net as historical facts. I could carry on giving examples, but those will suffice. I may return to that next time.

    Suffice it to say that these sites acts according to the Talmudic teachings, which, for example, permit the Jews to lie to Non-Jews (gentiles): “Jews may use lies (‘subterfuges’) to circumvent a [Gentile]. (Baba Kamma 113a.)

    If a well educated, and open-minded like you who claims to have studied all religions and cultures, travelled all over the world, believes that religions are nothing but myths and legends, could fall for these so-called “facts”, I (being an “ignorant”, “deceived” and “close-minded” Muslim) absolutely don’t buy that nonsense. As a matter of fact, anyone with a healthy dose of logical thinking and common sense can figure out that those myths can’t be “facts”. If it was true that the Jews in Morocco and Yemen were forced into either converting to Islam or killed, there would have been no single Jew living there. They would have faced the same fate the (converted) Muslims or Moriscos encountered during the Spanish inquisition in 1492: either convert to Christianity, face death or (at a later date) face expulsion. As a result, by 1614 every last Morisco was gone, and Islam disappeared from the Iberian Peninsula once and for all.

    FYI, Jews in Arab and Islamic countries were through history far better off on all levels than in Europe. They were offered a security that was far more assured than anything in Christendom Europe. During the intolerable persecution by Catholics in Spain, many Jews found refuge in North Africa (Morocco) and the Ottoman Empire.

    In one of history’s major examples of state endorsed religious tolerance, Muhammad (ﷺ) drafted the Constitution of Medina (622 C.E.) declaring Jews a protected minority, free to practise their religion.

    “(16) To the Jew who follows us belong help and equality. He shall not be wronged nor shall his enemies be aided.

    (24) The Jews shall contribute to the cost of war so long as they are fighting alongside the believers.

    (25) The Jews of the B. ‘Auf are one community with the believers (the Jews have their religion and the Muslims have theirs), their freedmen and their persons except those who behave unjustly and sinfully, for they hurt but themselves and their families.

    (26-35) The same applies to the Jews of the B. al-Najjar, B. al-Harith, B. Sai ida, B. Jusham, B. al-Aus, B. Tha’laba, and the Jafna, a clan of the Tha‘laba and the B. al-Shutayba. Loyalty is a protection against treachery. The freedmen of Tha ‘laba are as themselves. The close friends of the Jews are as themselves.

    (37) The Jews must bear their expenses and the Muslims their expenses. Each must help the other against anyone who attacks the people of this document. They must seek mutual advice and consultation, and loyalty is a protection against treachery. A man is not liable for his ally’s misdeeds. The wronged must be helped.

    (38) The Jews must pay with the believers so long as war lasts.

    (46) The Jews of al-Aus, their freedmen and themselves have the same standing with the people of this document in purely loyalty from the people of this document. Loyalty is a protection against treachery. He who acquires ought acquires it for himself. God approves of this document.”

    And it is this constitution that inspired many Muslim rulers like Tariq ibn Ziyad (711 C.E.), Bayezid II (1492), King Mohamed V (1941), Ahmad bin Yahya (1934) to do everything in their power to protect their Jewish citizens.

    Compare the above with the brutal and barbarian and treatment of the Palestinians (Muslims and Christians) by Isrealis today.

    One last comment: The site from which you get some of your information, states that unbelievers, regardless of they are good or bad, will end up in hell and muss-murdere go to heaven.
    “If a non-believer dies, and they’re a good person, are they going to hell?
    “Jesus paid the penalty for our sin. The unbeliever’s sin debt still remains. God’s wrath still rests upon such a person regardless of their behavior;”

    “Why can mass-murderers go to heaven, but unbelievers cannot?
    “Murder is horrible, but so is unbelief in light of what God has done for us, in light of the seriousness of sin, and in light of the massive amount of evidence God has provided by which we may believe. The seriousness of unbelief is always difficult to understand until one comes to see unbelief as God sees it. That might not be fully appreciated until one comes to know God personally.”

    In Islam, no body knows for sure if one (believer or unbeliever) will go to hell or paradice. All the reward and punishment lies within God’s hands. But God is just and fair:
    “This, because of that which your hands have sent forth (What you have done on your own); and verily Allah is never unjust unto His creatures.” (8:51)

    “So whoever does an atom’s weight of good will see it. And whoever does an atom’s weight of evil will see it.” (99:7-8)

    All in all, most people on this planet (believer or non-believer) are honest, reasonable and peaceful. It is only a small minority extremists and fanatic bigots who mess up and ruin the whole world. Extremism is the cause number 1 of wars and terror. Extremism is the real threat to world peace and stability.

    By the way, I’m still waiting your comments on the passages and quotes conveying deception, lying, horror, terror and genocide, found in the Bible and Talmud.

    • mbplee

      Salimisslim, Typical. Instead of sticking to the subject and facts, you smear the messenger. Yet you are no more than a liar (taqiyya) and a denier of historical fact with no authority to speak for Islam. You have the credential of a troll. To keep mattes short I quote:

      A consensus Muslim account of the massacre of the Qurayzah has emerged as converyed by classical Muslim scholars of hadith (putative utterances and acts of Muhammad, recorded by pious Muslim transmitters), biographers of Muhammad’s life (especially Ibn Ishaq), jurists, and historians.[2] This narrative is summarized as follows: Alleged to have aided the forces of Muhammad’s enemies in violation of a prior pact, the Qurayzah were subsequently isolated and besieged. Twice the Qurayzah made offers to surrender and depart from their stronghold, leaving behind their land and property. Initially they asked to take one camel load of possessions per person, but when Muhammad refused this request, the Qurayzah asked to be allowed to depart without any property, taking with them only their families. However, Muhammad insisted that the Qurayzah surrender unconditionally and subject themselves to his judgment. Compelled to surrender, the Qurayzah were led to Medina. The men, with their hands pinioned behind their backs, were put in a court, while the women and children were said to have been put into a separate court. A third (and final) appeal for leniency for the Qurayzah was made to Muhammad by their tribal allies the Aus. Muhammad again declined, and instead he appointed as arbiter Sa’d Mu’adh from the Aus, who soon rendered his concise verdict: The men were to be put to death, the women and children sold into slavery, the spoils to be divided among the Muslims.

      Muhammad ratified the judgment stating that Sa’d’s decree was a decree of God pronounced from above the Seven Heavens. Thus some six hundred to nine hundred men from the Qurayzah were led on Muhammad’s order to the Market of Medina. Trenches were dug, and the men were beheaded; their decapitated corpses were buried in the trenches while Muhammad watched. Male youths who had not reached puberty were spared. Women and children were sold into slavery, a number of them being distributed as gifts among Muhammad’s companions. According to Muhammad’s biographer Ibn Ishaq, Muhammad chose one of the Qurayzah women (Rayhana) for himself. The Qurahzah’s property and other possessions (including weapons) were also divided up as additional ‘booty’ among the Muslims. The following details have been chronicled consistently by Muslim sources: The arbiter (Sa’d Mu’adh) was appointed by Muhammad himself; Muhammad observed in person the horrific executions; Muhammad claimed as a wife a woman (Rayhana) previously married to one of the slaughtered Qurayzah tribesmen; the substantial material benefits (i.e. property, receipts from the sale of the enslaved) that accrued to the Muslims as a result of the massacre; the extinction of the Qurayzah.

      Abu Yusuf (d. 798), the prominent Hanafi jurist who advised the Abbasid caliph Harun al-Rashid (d. 809), made the following observations about the Qurayzah massacre in his writings on jihad:

      “Whenever the Muslims besiege an enemy stronghold, establish a treaty with the besieged who agree to surrender on certain conditions that will be decided by a delegate, and this man decides that their soldiers are to be executed and their women and children taken prisoner, this decision is lawful. This was the decision of Sa’ad b., Mu’adh in connection with the Banu Qurayzahh … it is up to the imam to decide what treatment is to meted out to them and he will choose that which is preferable for religion and for Islam. If he esteems that the execution of the fighting men and the enslavement of their women and children is better for Islam and its followers, then he will act thus, emulating the example of Sa’ad b. Mu’adh.”[3]

      As reported by M.J. Kister, al-Mawardi (d. 1072), another eminent Muslim jurist from Baghdad, characterized the slaughter of the Qurayzah as a religious duty incumbent on Muhammad. Kister quotes al-Mawardi as follows: “[I]t was not permitted (for Muhammad) to forgive (in a case of) God’s injunction incumbent upon them; he could only forgive (transgressions) in matters concerning his own person.”[4] The notion that this slaughter was sanctioned by God as revealed to Muhammad was, according to Kister, reflective of “the current (as of 1986) Sunni view about the slaughter of the Banu Qurayzah.”[5]

      W.H.T. Gardiner, also relying exclusively upon Muslim sources characterizing the slaughter of the Qurayza, highlights the pivotal role that Muhammad himself played in orchestrating the overall events:

      “The umpire who gave the fatal decision (Sa’ad) was extravagantly praised by Muhammad. Yet his action was wholly and admittedly due to his lust for personal vengeance on as tribe which had occasioned him a painful wound. In the agony of its treatment he cried out — ‘O God, let not my soul go forth ere thou has cooled my eye from the Bani Quraiza.’ This was the arbiter to whose word the fate of that tribe was given over. His sentiments were well-known to Muhammad, who appointed him. It is perfectly clear from that that their slaughter had been decreed. What makes it clearer still is the assertion of another biographer that Muhammad had refused to treat with the Bani Quraiza at all until they had ‘come down to receive the judgment of the Apostle of God.’ Accordingly, ‘they came down’; in other words put themselves in his power. And only then was the arbitration of Sa’ad proposed and accepted — but not accepted until it had been forced on him by Muhammad; for Sa’ad first declined and tried to make Muhammad take the responsibility, but was told ‘qad amarak Allahu takhuma fihim’ ‘Allah has commanded you to give sentence in their case.’ From every point of view therefore the evidence is simply crushing that Muhammad was the ultimate author of this massacre.”[6]

      In the immediate aftermath of the massacre, the Muslims benefited substantially from the Qurayzah’s assets, which they seized as booty. The land and property acquired helped the Muslims gain their economic independence. The military strength of the Muslim community of Medina grew because of the weapons obtained, and the fact that captured women and children taken as slaves were sold for horses and more weapons, facilitating enlargement of the Muslim armed forces for further conquests. Conversely, the Jewish tribe of the Qurayzah ceased to exist.

      Finally, the Farsi text that borders the original illustration (above and below, but not reproduced on the cover art due to space constraints), apropos of its Persian Shiite context, focuses on the exploits of Ali:

      “Ali, who is the successor of God on the earth, and known to fight with a double edged sword, ordered the warriors to cut off the heads of the nonbelievers. Zobair assisted him in finishing this job. Ali also ordered the distribution of the captives and their property [i.e. the ‘booty’] among the Muslims, in accord with Sa’ad (b. Mu’adh)’s [see above] decision regarding the fate of the defeated Jews [i.e., the Qurayzah]. After the battle [and executions], Ali ordered everyone [of the Muslims] to return home. Sa’ad (b. Mu’adh) who had been very anxious during the battle, was now happy and praised God upon completion of his task. Then [later] they [i.e., the Muslims] celebrated and enjoyed beautiful women.”[7]

      http://www.hirhome.com/islam/art.htm

  38. AlphaRand

    To the person who started this blog,

    Behave yourself and reread Quran and Hadith. An innocent life is an innocent life there is no stray, besides that. You seem to fall into the trap of justfying whatever it is. You are not here to judge, remember what the first verses to Prophet Mohamed say, and then afterwards god said that he had not created humans and deamons except to worship. So refrain from judging others and work on perfecting yourself, since the first struggle is bound to be with yourself.

    Regards,

    • mbplee

      AlphaRand, excellent advice. So why have you placed yourself as a judge?
      AlphaRand, perhaps you do not understand Islam or that your vision is simply out of context? You said,” An innocent life is an innocent life there is no stray, besides that.”
      So why does the Quran say the following?

      *****Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don’t kill them.) 2:191-2
      *****Allah says that you must keep fighting until there is no more persecution and everyone on earth is a Muslim. Then you can stop killing people. 2:193a
      *****But if there are any wrong-doers around after you’ve killed off all the disbelievers, persecutors and aggressors, then you’ll have to kill them too. 2:193b
      Those who fail in their duty to Allah are proud and sinful. They will all go to hell. 2:206
      “But those who keep their duty to Allah will be above them [non-muslims] on the Day of Resurrection.” 2:212
      *****War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216
      *****It’s you and your religion against them and theirs. They won’t stop fighting until they make you a “renegade from your religion” and if they succeed in that so you die in disbelief, Allah will burn you forever in the Fire. 2:217

      AlphaRand, the above quoted verses seem to disagree with your views. Allah deems that “disbelievers” must be corrupt and sinful and thus should be killed. The DISBELIEVERS OF ISLAM therefore CANNOT BE INNOCENT.” IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO COME TO ANY OTHER CONCLUSION.

  39. isha sgou

    it said whoever kills a person نفس in arabic is a soul both muslims and non muslims have a soul, it could have been whoever kills a muslim but NO killing any innocent person is forbbiden by God.

    • mbplee

      isha sgou, Thank you for your comment. It is amply clear that:

      “You are innocent if you are a Muslim,” Choudary tells the BBC. “Then you are innocent in the eyes of God. If you are not a Muslim, then you are guilty of not believing in God.” [Hence you have committed a serious sin and not innocent.] I hope you see this point. It has nothing to do with having or not having a soul.

      • Salimisslim

        “Choudary tells the BBC” !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        Who is Choudary to interpret or not interpret a Quranic verse the way he interprets it. He doesn’t represent any Muslim but himself. He is neither a scholar nor an exegete in order for one to cite him as an authority for the explanation of this verse. Besides, he doesn’t know Arabic or even Islam well enough to take his perverse preaching seriously (see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDHSx0AWND8).

        Choudary and the so-called Al-Baghdadi’s (or Simon Elliot’s) ISIS and other terrorists and terrorist groups are all cut from the same bolt of cloth. They are just recruits of (neoconservative and Evangelic) Zionists and New World Order Satanists waging false-flag operation against Islam and Muslims. They are doing everything possible to make Islam look bad. However, all their wicked plans are in vain: “They want to extinguish God’s [guiding] light with their mouths [utterances]: but God will not allow [this to pass], for He has willed to spread His light in all its fullness, however hateful this may be to all who deny the truth.” (9:32)

      • mbplee

        Salimisslim, as far as I know, Choudary is an Imam and a qualified solicitor. I have followed all his speeches and I have never heard him say anything that has been contrary to the ideology of Islam. But recently, in his frustrations, he has openly supported ISIS and that is where the British authorities have trapped him into suggesting that he is promoting extremism. Choudhary is, still, in my opinion a Muslim who interprets Islam in the orthodox Islamic way. If you disagree, then you must be out of the fold of Islam.

        However, in my opinion, ISIS is an Islamic caliphate, obeying all the teachings and laws of Islam. There is another un-Islamic about ISIS and therefore, according to Muslim values is legally Islamic and not illegal. However, the Western authorities have managed to demonise ISIS but that is a technicality.

  40. umer younis

    Dear, have you read the biography of prophet Muhammad PBUH???
    He never killed a person, not even when there were thousands of justifications.
    What message did he PBUH want to deliver.?
    I believe that if 1.5 billion Muslims agree to your narrative of Qur’an, then you were probably dead by now.
    We Muslims believe in Peace, humanity, equal rights, and Justice for all.
    Who gave women their rights 1400 years ago?
    If you read Qur’an with an open mind, you will even find the rights of an unknown passenger in it.
    Don’t ever think that i hate you for your analysis of this ayat.
    I am not a perfect Muslim and i don’t think anyone is perfect, we are all humans.
    I just want to live in peace as all Muslims do; in fact, all sensible people do.
    Muslims are suffering all around the globe due to this hatred.
    I don’t blame you, it’s the media which is propagating this false image of Islam.
    You keep on doing your research. In sha Allah, one day you will find truth.

      • kaici

        you are inspired by evangelists like james arlandson a stupid american and bad writer ..reading you is just be convinced that you are paid by zionists or those evangelists ..you are wasting your time ….islam is the religion of the universe ..islam is the religion of peace love and tolerance …a great religion ..be muslim to get serenity and stop writing stupidities …i hope you are paid well enough by those evangelists ans zionists …but in vain
        tell them that our faith is strong
        keep on writing stupidities from your historical informations if you want ..islam will be your religion and Muhammed will be your prophet mbplee ….salam

      • mbplee

        kaici, you have no historical facts to support your arguments so like any typical Muslim you attack the messenger and smear him and his presentation and tell more lies like:

        .islam is the religion of the universe ..islam is the religion of peace love and tolerance …a great religion ..be muslim to get serenity and stop writing stupidities

        Which are all lies, and in contradiction with all the teachings and ideologies of Islam. But that is what Muslim have been indoctrinated with and that is what they believe in error.

        I have nothing to do with Zionism nor an Christian evangelist. But like all Muslims who cannot face the truth and are in perpetual denial of true facts of life as well as the plain fact of the Quran and the Ahadith, you have been misguided and misled in your perception of the teachings of the Quran. Wake up and face the truth and make a true introspection into the possible faults or errors of Islam and ask why is Islam so aggressive and destructive and hateful for the past 1400 years. Don’t be mesmerised by unscrupulous Imams who tell you lies about Islam.

        Regarding your dismissal of the credentials of James M. Arlandson, (also dismissed by Salimisslim), there are many other researchers and historians who have written about Muhammad in Medina:

        NEW LIGHT ON THE STORY OF BANU QURAYZA AND THE

        JEWS OF MEDINA

        By W. N. ARAFAT

        From Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain and Ireland,
        (1976), pp. 100-107.

        IT IS WELL KNOWN THAT at the advent of Islam there were three Jewish tribes who lived in Yathrib (later Medina), as well as other Jewish settlements further to the north, the most important of which were Khaybar and Fadak. It is also generally accepted that at first the Prophet Muhammad hoped that the Jews of Yathrib, as followers of a divine religion, would show understanding of the new monotheistic religion, Islam. However, as soon as these tribes realized that Islam was being firmly established and gaining power, they adopted an actively hostile attitude, and the final result of the struggle was the disappearance of these Jewish communities from Arabia proper.
        The biographers of the Prophet, followed by later historians, tell us that Banu Qaynuqa.,1 and later Banu al-Nadir,2 provoked the Muslims, were besieged, and in turn agreed to surrender and were allowed to depart, taking with them all their transportable possessions. Later on Khaybar3 and Fadak4 were evacuated. According to Ibn Ishaq in the Sira,5 the third of the Jewish tribes, Banu Qurayza, sided with the Qurashites and their allies, who made an unsuccessful attack on Medina in an attempt to destroy Islam. This, the most serious challenge to Islam, failed, and the Banu Qurayza were in turn besieged by the Prophet. Like Banu al-Nadir, in time they surrendered, but unlike the Banu al-Nadir, they were subjected to the arbitration of Sa’d b. Mu’adh, a member of the Aws tribe, allies of Qurayza. He ruled that the grown-up males should be put to death and the women and children subjected to slavery. Consequentiy, trenches were dug in the market-place in Medina, and the men of Qurayza were brought out in groups and their necks were struck.6 Estimates of those killed vary from 400 to 900.NEW LIGHT ON THE STORY OF BANU QURAYZA AND THE

        JEWS OF MEDINA

        By W. N. ARAFAT

        From Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain and Ireland,
        (1976), pp. 100-107.

        IT IS WELL KNOWN THAT at the advent of Islam there were three Jewish tribes who lived in Yathrib (later Medina), as well as other Jewish settlements further to the north, the most important of which were Khaybar and Fadak. It is also generally accepted that at first the Prophet Muhammad hoped that the Jews of Yathrib, as followers of a divine religion, would show understanding of the new monotheistic religion, Islam. However, as soon as these tribes realized that Islam was being firmly established and gaining power, they adopted an actively hostile attitude, and the final result of the struggle was the disappearance of these Jewish communities from Arabia proper.
        The biographers of the Prophet, followed by later historians, tell us that Banu Qaynuqa.,1 and later Banu al-Nadir,2 provoked the Muslims, were besieged, and in turn agreed to surrender and were allowed to depart, taking with them all their transportable possessions. Later on Khaybar3 and Fadak4 were evacuated. According to Ibn Ishaq in the Sira,5 the third of the Jewish tribes, Banu Qurayza, sided with the Qurashites and their allies, who made an unsuccessful attack on Medina in an attempt to destroy Islam. This, the most serious challenge to Islam, failed, and the Banu Qurayza were in turn besieged by the Prophet. Like Banu al-Nadir, in time they surrendered, but unlike the Banu al-Nadir, they were subjected to the arbitration of Sa’d b. Mu’adh, a member of the Aws tribe, allies of Qurayza. He ruled that the grown-up males should be put to death and the women and children subjected to slavery. Consequentiy, trenches were dug in the market-place in Medina, and the men of Qurayza were brought out in groups and their necks were struck.6 Estimates of those killed vary from 400 to 900.

        On examination, details of the story can he challenged. It can be demonstrated that the assertion that 600 or 800 or 9007 men of Banu Qurayza were put to death in cold blood can not be true; that it is a later invention; and that it has its source in Jewish traditions. Indeed the source of the details in earlier Jewish history can be pointed out with surprising accuracy.

        However, its authenticity depends upon who analyses the information. But that the subject matter is discussed is sufficient to cast a shadow on the authenticity of the Islamic versions.

        Additionally:

        Several accounts note Muhammad’s companions as executioners, Ali and Al-Zubayr in particular, and that each clan of the Aws was also charged with killing a group of Qurayza men.[17][40] Subhash Inamdar argues that this was done in order to avoid the risk of further conflicts between Muhammad and the Aws. According to Inamdar, Muhammad wanted to distance himself from the events and, had he been involved, would have risked alienating some of the Aws.[17] the Banu Aws were allied to the Banu Qurayza and Muhammad.

        Whether it was Muhammad or his companions who were the executioners, it was certainly with the authority of Muhammad that the execution took place.

    • mbplee

      umer younis, Not only have I read the Quran, the Ahadith, the biography of Muhammad in detail, but I have also investigated the roots of Islam, its origins and its historicity vis-a-vis Christianity, Judaism, and Ancient Egyptian and Greek religious origins. But your lack of knowledge of Islam shows your gullibility of hearsay of Islam and totally out of context.

      You claimed: “He (Muhammed) never killed a person, not even when there were thousands of Justifications.”

      Are you so ill-informed? Because……

      Over 800 surrendered men and boys (and at least one woman) from the Qurayza tribe were beheaded by the prophet of Islam in a bloodbath that is of acute embarrassment to today’s Muslim apologists. It is an episode that is not only completely at odds with the idea that Islam is a peaceful religion, but also the claim that it is the heir to Christianity, since even that religion’s most dedicated critics could hardly imagine Jesus and his disciples doing such a thing.

      It is only in modern times (as Islam finds itself having to compete with morally mature religions in open debate) that the story of the massacre has become controversial. Some Muslims deny the episode, largely on the basis of mere inconvenience. Others are unaware of it altogether. But, not only is the incident well documented in the Hadith and Sira (biography of Muhammad), there is even a brief reference to it in the Quran (verse 33:26).

      Since Islam makes no apologies, particularly for anything that Muhammad personally did, contemporary Muslims generally try to convince themselves that the victims of Qurayza deserved their fate. They must have turned on the Muslims in battle and inflicted many deaths, forcing Muhammad to yield to the wishes of his people and respond in kind.

      Unfortunately, the accounts of what happened, as related to early Muslim historians by eyewitnesses, do not support this myth. In fact, it was the Qurayza who were caught in an impossible situation at the time, between the Muslims and their Meccan adversaries.

      https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/muhammad/qurayza.aspx

      That should be sufficient to show you that I know of Muhammed’s killing and eradication of Jews that you have not been told of. Muhammed practiced genocide of the Jews.

  41. learning_rocks

    Such a long discussion. If Islam is indeed open to all, all Muslims need to acknowledge is it does not matter which religion you believe in, or not, be good and that’s all it matters.

    Your eating habits, your sexual preferences does not matter. As long as you dont hurt others, it will be all fine. Isn’t that simple? Is that what you all want to say? That makes life so simple right?

    • mbplee

      vineeth.thampi, the trouble is, it matters in Islam which religion you believe in.

      Ash hadu an laa ilaaha illallaah, wa ash hadu anna Muhammadan rasool-ullaah (I bear witness that there is no god worthy of worship except Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah)

      Islam accepts NO OTHER god except ALLAH and Muhammad is his the messenger. This makes it specific. All believers of other religions are thus infidels.

      You said: “As long as you don’t hurt others, it will be fine” but the Quran tells this:

      Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them (infidels), and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing…
      but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)” (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The verse prior to this (190) refers to “fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you” leading some to believe that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes and families. The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, however, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). Verse 190 thus means to fight those who offer resistance to Allah’s rule (ie. Muslim conquest). The use of the word “persecution” by some Muslim translators is disingenuous (the actual Arabic words for persecution – “idtihad” – and oppression – a variation of “z-l-m” – do not appear in the verse). The word used instead, “fitna”, can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. This is certainly what is meant in this context since the violence is explicitly commissioned “until religion is for Allah” – ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.

      It is clear that the Quran has NO TOLERANCE for disbelievers of Islam.

  42. zakir hussain

    How much you make to promote this HATRED and NO TOLERANCE!!! Because The religion name itself is ISLAM the root word “salam”. From this root word, you can also derive the words peace and safety.

    • mbplee

      zakir hussain, I hope this reply will inform you of your error of interpretation and that it is mistake you will never again make as a Muslim.

      Islam Means ‘Peace’
      The Myth:

      Lesser educated Muslims sometimes claim that the root word of Islam is “al-Salaam,” which is “peace” in Arabic.

      The Truth:

      An Arabic word only has one root. The root word for Islam is “al-Silm,” which means “submission” or “surrender.” There is no disagreement about this among Islamic scholars. al-Silm (submission) does not mean the same thing as al-Salaam (peace), otherwise they would be the same word.

      Submission and peace can be very different concepts, even if a form of peace is often brought about through forcing others into submission. As the modern-day Islamic scholar, Ibrahim Sulaiman, puts it, “Jihad is not inhumane, despite its necessary violence and bloodshed, its ultimate desire is peace which is protected and enhanced by the rule of law.”

      In truth, the Quran not only calls Muslims to submit to Allah, it also commands them to subdue people of other religions until they are in a full state of submission to Islamic rule. This has inspired the aggressive history of Islam and its success in conquering other cultures.

      • kaici

        what stupidities ..mbplee you must research more about islam you are ignorant …Quran respect all the religions and even the prophet mohammed recommend to give names of our children as the prophets ..jews or christians or muslims ..i personnaly gave names to my two sons moussa (moise i aissa (jesus ) we have not problems with other religions …i give you another information do you know emir abdelkader algerian hero who fight french army ..defeated he was exiled in damascus .there were christians who were persecuted by muslims like him ..he defended them and fight muslims because our religion preaching respect to other religions…you have to know that there are still churches in muslim countries ….in which planet do you live ??

      • mbplee

        kaici, [reply to yours of 15,09,2016]. Muslims are so biased and quote out of context constantly. The following provides you the ambience of the Quran:

        Quran: 6:102, (Yousof Ali): That is Allah, your Lord! there is no god but He, the Creator of all things: then worship ye Him: and He hath power to dispose of all affairs.

        [Clearly, this places all those who do not worship Allah to be infidels. It is the absolute declaration of ‘exclusion’ and ‘religious supremacism.’]
        Quran: 9:111, Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur’an.
        In addition, a strong support and explanation to the verse: 9:111 was given by Merciful Allah by the following:

        Quran-4:74- Let those fight in the cause of Allah Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah,-whether he is slain or gets victory (i.e. killed or be killed) – Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value).

        Quran-4:95- Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons (sacrifice both life and wealth) than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward.

        Quran-3:169-: Think not of those who are slain in Allah’s way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord;(Here Allah is saying that those jihadi who dies [commit suicide] is not dead but he will be living with Allah).

        Quran-8:39, And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere (in this earth of Allah).

        Quran-9:29, Fight those who believe neither in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth (Islam), even if they are of the People of the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

        Quran-3:85, “If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).”

        Quran-9:39, Unless ye go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. [Allah’s hatred to those who are reluctant to join Islamic jihad]

        Quran-9:73, O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.

        Quran-8:65: “O Apostle! Rouse the believers to fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred; if a 100 , they will vanquish a 1,000 of the unbelievers..”

        Quran-8:66:”….if there are a 100 of you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish 2,00, and if a 1,000 , they will vanquish 2,000 (two thousands) with the leave of Allah…” [This fabulous verse was written in the diary of Muhammad Ata the leader of 9/11 terrorists].

        Quran-4:78: “Where ye are, death will find you, even if ye are in Towers, built up strong and tall” (Perhaps Twin towers was meant here?)

        Quran-2:193, And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression
        Quran-2:216, Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you

        Quran-5:33, The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

        Quran-4:89— “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades (change to other religions), seize them and kill themwherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-” (Punishment for the apostates).

        Quran-9:5, But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem.

        Quran-9:28, O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. (This verse is a glaring example how much hatreds Islam possess against non-Muslims).

        Quran-8:67—“It is not fitting for an Apostle that he should have prisoners of war until He thoroughly subdued the land….” (Allah insisting Prophet to kill all the prisoners, and should not keep any surrendered prisoners alive)

        Quran-8:17—It is not ye who Slew them; it is God; when thou threwest a handful of dust, it was not Thy act, but God’s…..” (Allah said, the killing of surrendered soldiers were done by the wish of Allah)

        Quran: 9:23: “O ye who believe! Take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love Infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong”. [Quran is asking Muslims even to go against their own father and brothers in respect of religious faith]

        Quran: 3:28: “Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah”

        Quran: 5:45: We ordained therein for them: “Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear. Tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal.” (Does this verse sound humane?)

        47:4- “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), strike off their heads; at length; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”: thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.”

        9:123: “Oh ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers and let them find harshness in you.”

        2:191- “Kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from wherever they drove you out.”

        8:12- Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.” [Allah is really most merciful]

        Contradict the above if you can.

  43. Md Zakir Hussain

    Anyways How much you make to promote this HATRED and NO TOLERANCE!!! Your knowledge itself is a proof that how much you hate ISLAM. Here you go

    Chapter 8 Al-Anfal verse number 8

    That He might cause the truth to triumph and bring falsehood to nothing, even though the Mujrimoon hate it.

    • mbplee

      Md Zakir Hussain, That is such good advice, if only Muslims would pay attention to it. You should seek the truth not the lies in Islam and you will be better off.

      • Md Zakir Hussain

        And the truth in Islam is “THERE IS NO ASSOCIATION OR PARTNER IN GOD’S SOVEREIGNTY, HE IS THE ONLY ONE”.

  44. mbplee

    Md Zakir Hussain,that is what Muslims have been led to believe. But Jews believe differently, Christians believe differently, Hindus believe differently, Taoists believe differently, Buddhists believe differently. So who is right and who is wrong? Why should it be that Muslims must be right? Perhaps they could be totally wrong. You should research to find the truth and not just accept what your Quran tells you.

    • zakir hussain

      Once again you have proven your ignorance ….. NO no….no.. not ignorance, infact you are paid to promote hatred towards Islam and Muslims.

      Because if there would have been different gods as you have pointed according to different beliefs/faiths and at the same time you are stubborn to believe in oneness of God.

      This in itself is a enough proof to conclude that, you are paid to promote hatred towards Islam and Muslims.

      Keep going because the Master Planner is Allah. And no one can extinguish the light of Allah that is Islam.

      Good Luck.

      • mbplee

        zakir hussain, Sorry, I am not ignorant of Islam. I have studied Islam more thoroughly than most Muslims ever have done, and I see Islam’s shortcomings clearly because I see it without bias and have compared it to the other major religions of the world. I certainly do not promote hatred towards Islam but I do see and understand Islam with a critical eye as I have done with all the other major religions of the world. Allah evolved from the ancient world of mythology as the other Abrahamic faiths have but with a different perspective from that of other religions such as Hinduism and Taoism or even Judaism. You have a long way to evolve in your mental perception of religion.

  45. zakir hussain

    Once again you have proven your ignorance, Brother/Sister Please know that Islam is not a new religion, Islam is just revival. You says ” I have studied Islam more thoroughly than most Muslims ever have done”.

    But it is very pity that, Islam never claimed as it is the NEW RELIGION, Islam ever said to ask the learned from previous faiths that, Is not there is ONE GOD???

    So Brother/Sister, Once again you have proven that you are paid to promote Hatred towards ISLAM and MUSLIMS.

    Good Luck. After all you are the creature and no way you can harm the creator that is the supreme God Almighty.

  46. mbplee

    zakirhussain, it is you who is promoting hatred of Muslims for infidels and infidels for Muslims by your stubborn and distorted lying views. It is you who does not know the origins of Islam and the basis upon which it has been founded, upon mythology.

    “Was Allah The Moon God of Ancient Arab Pagan?

    By Syed Kamran Mirza

    Historical evidences, impartial logic, well versed references and all available circumstantial judgments can very well prove that—(a) Allah name of deity was pre-existed much before the arrival of Islam, (b) Pre-Islamic Pagan peoples worshipped Allah as their supreme deity (moon-god). Allah’s name existed in pre-Islamic Arab. In ancient Arab the Allah was considered to be the supreme God/deity (as Moon-God) and Arab Pagans worshipped Allah before Islam arrived.

    Let us examine below some valid questions and answers :

    Did the Pagan Arabs in pre-Islamic times worship 360 gods? Yes

    Did the pagans Arabs worship the sun, moon and the stars? Yes

    Did the Arabs built temples to the Moon-god? Yes

    Did different Arab tribes give the Moon-god different names/titles? Yes

    What were some of the names/titles? Sin, Hubul, Ilumquh, Al-ilah.

    Was the title “al-ilah” (the god) used as the Moon-god? Yes

    Was the word “Allah” derived from “al-ilah?” Yes

    Was the pagan “Allah” a high god in a pantheon of deities? Yes.

    Was he worshipped at the Kabah? Yes.

    Was Allah only one of many Meccan gods? Yes

    Did they place a statue of Hubul on top of the Kabah? Yes.

    At that time was Hubul considered the Moon-god? Yes.

    Was the Kabah thus the “house of the Moon-god”? Yes.

    Did the name “Allah” eventually replace that of Hubul as the name of the Moon god? Yes.

    Did they call the Kabah the “house of Allah”? Yes.

    Were al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat called “the daughters of Allah”? Yes.

    Yusuf Ali explains in fn. 5096, pg. 1445, that Lat, Uzza and Manat were known as “the daughters of God [Allah]”

    Did the Qur’an at one point tell Muslims to worship al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat? Yes. In Surah 53:19-20.

    Have those verses been “abrogated” out of the present Qur’an? Yes.

    What were they called? “The Satanic Verses.”

    The variable names (Sin, Hubul, llumquh, Al-ilah) of moon god were used by various tribes of pagan Arabs. Pagan god SIN was the name of Moon-god.

    Who is actually Allah?

    According to Islamic Theologians (Mullahs, Maulana, Moulavis, etc.), or Islamic teachings– Allah is the supreme God or creator who (suddenly one day?) talked or introduced Himself with Prophet Muhammad through an Angel named Gabriel, disclosing the truth that it is the Allah who created everything in the universe. Surprisingly, Qur’an never defines the word “Allah” as to who actually Allah was or what was the relation of Allah with pagans. I believe, 99% percent of Muslims do believe that—Allah’s name was invented or started right from the time when Gabriel disclosed the truth (?) to Prophet Muhammad in the cave of Hira Parvat (Mountain) and gave Muhammad the Quran. They believe that before this truth was revealed—pagan Arabs were in the total darkness (Andhakar Zuug) and they used to worship various puppet goddess and that the pagans were very evil people. I can bet on this fact that no mullahs ever told us the real truth, neither they believe this clean truth that “Allah” was in fact a pre-existing deity in pagan Arabia. What a hypocrisy?

    Some important factors which will suggest that the name“Allah” was already in use by Pagans as their chief God/deity:

    (A) In pre-Islamic days, that Muslims call the Days of ignorance, the religious background of the Arabs was pagan, and basically animistic. Through Moon, Sun, Stars, Planets, Animals, wells, trees, stones, caves, springs, and other natural objects man could make contact with the deity. At Mekka, “Allah” was the chief of the gods and the special deity of the Quraish, the prophet’s tribe. Allah had three daughters: Al Uzzah (Venus) most revered of all and pleased with human sacrifice; Manah, the goddess of destiny, and Al Lat, the goddess of vegetable life. These three daughters of Allah (there is a Quranic verse about them) were considered very powerful over all things. Therefore, their intercessions on behalf of their worshippers were of great significance.

    (B) Arabs used to give their children names such as—Abdullah (slave of Allah). Clean proof was the fact that, Muhammad’s father’s name was “Abdullah”. Logical analogy here is—had there been no “Allah” in pre-Islamic Arab, there could be no Abdullah or slave of Allah in Arabia.

    (C) Even today, in the entire Arab World, not only Muslims but all other non-Muslim (Jews, Christians, Sabians, Bahai, an atheist etc.) Arabs says—“Ya Allah” as the expression of surprise or unhappiness/sorrow.

    (D). Albert Hourani’s statement: “The Islamic name used for God was “Allah”, which was already in use for one of the local Gods (it now used by Arabic-speaking Jews and Christians as the name of God (A history Of Arab people by Albert Hourani, 1991, page-16, Belknap press of Harvard University, USA)

    History tells us two theories of Allah’s existence in and around the Kaba Sharif: (1) Pagans used to call the largest Statue amongst the 360 deities as ALLAH—whom they used to consider the chief/supreme deity (god). Or, (2) Pagan Arabs used to worship 360 deities inside Kaba Sharif, and they used to consider them different smaller deities under the total control of a single most powerful chief deity called “ALLAH” who was invisible (Nirakar) and was the all-powerful, all-knowing, and totally unknowable.

    Amazing Similarities with Hindu Religion:

    In India’s Hindu religion is quite similar to the number two theory (above) of pagan belief. Although, Hindus worship many different Goddesses—they invariably have faith upon a single supreme invisible deity called “Bhagaban” (some call it “Ischhaar”) whom they call “Nirakar”. And, surprisingly there is no sculptural image/figure for this Bhagaban. But all Hindus worship Him along with other numerous deities. This Bhagaban is considered as the lord of all other deities. What would happen—if some intelligent prophet would have asked Hindus to give up worshipping other goddesses and keeping only Bhagaban as their only deity making it a monotheist religion just like Islam? Could it not be another religion like Islam?

    Now some factors which will suggest “Allah” was the Moon-god of Arab pagans:

    (A) In Qura’n there are at least a dozen verses in which Allah repeatedly swears by the names such as moon, sun, stars, planets, night, wind etc. It is a mystery why the creator Allah (?) should swear by his creations. Normally, we swear by the name of something much superior to us, such as we swear by God or by the name of our father (who is considered senior or superior to us). But we never swear by the name of something inferior to us. Here in the Quran swearing fashions of Allah (God) by moon or stars hinting us that Allah considered these things superior to himself. And this makes us to think (otherwise) as to who actually acted as Allah in Quran? However, in his explanation of why the Qur’an swears by the moon in Surah 74:32, “Nay, verily by the Moon,” Yusuf Alli comments, “The moon was worshipped as a deity in times of darkness”(fn. 5798, pg. 1644). Perhaps, this swearing of Allah was due to the usual/cultural habits of worshipping moon as their God in pagan customs.”

    • zakir hussain

      May you be guided – Ameen.

      Allah says in Quran in chapter Al-Furqan 25 : Verse 63

      And the servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk upon the earth easily, and when the ignorant address them , they say peace.

      Good Luck Brother/Sister.

      • mbplee

        zakir hussain, I hope that one day you will be able to see the fallacies and mythologies of your beliefs. That Muslim have been misled, in the last 1400 years, of the historicity of their origins. Only then will you begin to be civilised and seek the truth.

  47. nisar

    mbplee: Regarding to your previous answer to zakir hussain ,you clearly exposed that you are not a Muslim. you should be agree with that.
    so i will treat you ad a non mulsim.
    you never read Quran or any other scripture.Allah is the arabic equivalent of God(with capital G) as there is no other word in arabic for God.If you rad arabic bible it uses the word Allah as well.

    The word “Allah” is the perfect description of the “One God” of monotheism for Jews, Christians and Muslims!

    Is “Allah” only for Islam and Muslims?[No! It is for All Three Abrahamic Faiths.]

    “Allah” is the same word used by Christian Arabs and Jewish Arabs in their Bible, centuries before Islam came.

    On page one [1] of Genesis in the Old Testament, we find the word “Allah” seventeen [17] times.

    Allah. … Allah (/ˈælə, ˈɑːlə, əlˈlɑː/; Arabic: الله‎, translit. Allāh‎, pronounced [ɑɫ’ɫɑh] ( listen)) is the Arabic word referring to God in Abrahamic religions. The word is thought to be derived by contraction from al-ilāh, which means “the God”, and is related to El and Elohim, the Hebrew words for God.

    Additionally, the word “Allah” cannot be made plural or given gender (i.e. masculine or feminine), which goes and-in-hand with the Islamic concept of God.

    it should also be noted that the Arabic word “Allah” contains a deep religious message due to its root meaning and origin. This is because it stems from the Arabic verb ta’allaha (or alaha), which means “to be worshipped.” Thus in Arabic, the word “Allah” means “The One who deserves all worship.” This, in a nutshell, is the Pure Monotheistic message of Islam.

    Your copy/pasting from a bible website regarding “ALLAH” does not change the reality.i have seen these kind of fake information on internet and on you-tube mostly spread by Christian evangelist…. so to believe on them you must a non Muslim…as a Muslim already know who is ALLAH and don’t need any disinformation from bible or any atheist preachers.

    Regarding Verse (5:32):The interpretation of the verse above : “It is because of this that We ordained for (all humankind, but particularly for) the Children of Israel: He who kills a soul unless it be (in legal punishment) for murder or for causing disorder and corruption on the earth will be as if he had killed all humankind; and he who saves a life will be as if he had saved the lives of all humankind. Assuredly, there came to them Our Messengers (one after the other) with clear proofs of the truth (so that they might be revived both individually and as a people). Then (in spite of all this), many of them go on committing excesses on the earth.(The Qur’an, Al-Ma’idah, 5:32)

    According to rumors, some Jewish people from Madinah were planning to ambush and kill the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him) and some of the believers. For this reason, Allah, The Almighty informed them that killing a person unjustifiably is like killing all humankind and saving a person is like saving all humankind in order to show them what a serious crime it is to kill a person.

    A murderer who kills a person unjustifiably is the one who does not let a person live and who violates the prohibition of blood to be shed and attacks the innocence of souls. Besides, he encourages other people to murder. In that case, a person who has killed a person is considered as if he has killed all humankind and deserves Allah’s punishment. Thus, he loses his right to live and must be killed. Killing a person unjustifiably is a common damage as it is explained above.

    1. Killing a person, in fact, is nothing but a serious crime, which originates from great injustice, disappointment and remorse. People who call themselves humans must completely avoid it.

    2. Whoever ends a life unjustifiably or for any reason except punishment for causing disorder and anarchy on the earth is regarded as if he had killed all humanity. That is, ending a life unjustifiably is as serious as killing all the people and causes a serious crime like that to be committed. This explanation which deems a life as equal to all humanity makes a person as valuable as all humanity and sees all humanity through this person.

    3. Whoever saves a life is considered as if he had saved all the people. For example, a doctor who tries to bring a person that is about to die to life with medical treatment and divine approval or a person who tries to stop a war that continues at its all speed and severity and ends it, or another person who tries to supply food for the people who are about to die of starvation or tries to help people survive a natural disaster; those people are regarded to do the same good task.

    4. In the surah Al-Ma’idah, there is another definition of going to extremes in community : “do not help one another in sinful, iniquitous acts and hostility” ( The Qur’an, Al- Ma’idah, 5:2) Those who help each other and become organized aiming to spread the sense of enmity to community which Allah forbids destroy the peace, the order and the unity of the community.

    5. Injustice and destruction happen on the earth. The rights of the innocent and the oppressed are lost and vanish. Supposedly, many people are sacrificed for the sake of the community and personal rights are lost for the safety of the nation. In the verse from The Qur’an, it is stated that a person’s right cannot be sacrificed even if it is for the sake of the community, that every right is sacred in the eye of Allah and that all the rights must be preserved without regarding them as more or less important.

    • mbplee

      nisarakhtar, thank you for your contribution. However, I do recommend that you continue in your investigations and look at the roots of Islam, and the origins of Allah and its relationship with the origins of other religions, but in particular Judaism and Christianity. You will discover that Allah has origins long before the appearance of Muhammad, in the ancient mythological religious of the Quraysh tribes and even long before that.

      Pagan Beginnings for Muhammad

      Mohammad was born 570 AD of pagan parents of the Quraysh tribe. The Quraysh tribe worshipped at the Kaa’ba in Mecca where there stood 360 idols on the alter. Muhammad was brought up worshipping the Quraysh gods and was familiar with the customs of his family because Muhammad only formulated the concept of his Muhammadan faith later in his life, having learned about Judaism and Christianity from them. through his inquiries. Because it was not till Muhammad was 40 years of age (610 AD) that he felt he knew enough about religion, that he began preaching his new monotheist religion, Islam. In fact Muhammad was so well involved with the religion of his Quraysh family that Muhammad has been recorded as saying, [1]

      “I have offered a white sheep to al-‘Uzza while I was a follower of the religion of my people.” [2]

      al-Uzza is of course one of the goddesses of the Quraysh tribe, and one of the three daughters of the Sun God, Hubal also addressed as “Allah” by the Quraysh tribe. Allah is a pre-Islamic name from the compound Arabic word Al-ilah meaning god, a generic name for the “highest god.” The Crescent moon was the symbol of the moon god Hubal (Allah) and its continued use today as observed over every Islamic mosque, and is the ancient pagan symbol of “fertility.” Because the idol of Allah is located in the Kaa’ba all Muslims pay their respect to Allah by facing toward Mecca when they pray 5 times a day. Also their dead are buried facing Mecca for the same reason. [1]Despite Muhammad’s pagan roots, be became impressed and fascinated with the culture of the Jews and Christians and their worship of monotheism. He was impressed at the way they conducted their daily lives and that they were a happy and content progressive peoples. There were many Jewish settlements in Hijaz, the neighbourhood of Muhammad’s birth, and he also met many Jews who dominated the city of Medina, the city that also dominated Muhammad’s life. The Jews were merchants, farmers, vintners, smiths and some of them also lived among the Bedouin tribes intermingling harmoniously. Their culture seemed more sophisticated and they led a more prosperous life than the Bedouin tribes, traders and camel herders. Muhammad was keen to emulate this more sophisticated society and began to study their ways, and their monotheistic religious teachings. Perhaps it was their polytheism and the more primitive pagan lives that held back their progress. (So not unlike Kemal Ataturk several centuries later, Muhammad decided to emulate a new way of life, based on monotheism(Judaism & Christianity) but with a Quraysh tint, and so Muhamadism/Islam was born.) As Muhammad was illiterate, he was unable to study Judaism or Christianity religious texts. So he eagerly listened to verbal narratives from friendly Jews and Christians and absorbed a tremendous amount of Jewish and Christian ideologies, scriptures, and traditions (including many jumbled ideologies and misconceptions) that he incorporated into his philosophies. The similarities of many parts or verses in the Koran to the Bible, especially the Old Testament is testament to the amount Muhammad was able to absorb from his Jewish and Christian friends. However, some of these Biblical concepts clashed with his pagan concepts and he had to abrogate his earlier pronouncements with something that suited his lifestyle and his change of personality as he gained experience especially after Medina. [1]
      Early Islam

      Muhammad’s early attitudes emulated the Jewish and Christian philosophies of compassion and tolerance. Muhammad initially show not animosity towards other faiths. Muhammad referred to Jews and Christians as “People of the Book” (Torah/Bible) and had passages that showed compassion and tolerance. For example, when Muslims were persecuted by pagans in Mecca, Muhammad to the Muslims to take refuge with King Negus, the Christian King of Ethopia where they were received with kindness and respect. King Negus even declared that Muslim refugees could live freely in his country. And when the Meccans approached the King and demanded the surrender of these Muslims, the King refused to accede to those demands, offering protection to the Muslims. And Muhammad knew this. Muhammad even made a rare tribute to Christians:

      Surat al-Ma’ida 82: “….You will find the people most affectionate to those who believe (Muslims) are those who say. “We are Christians.”

      Some common identifiable values of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are:(1) God is Creator of the Universe and is omnipotent. (2) God created man: Adam. (3) God sent prophets like Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Joseph, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad. (4) Many customs and traditions and rituals are similar like food abstinence, fasting, prayer, circumcision, and observances of similar festivities. The influence of Judaism and Christianity upon Islam cannot be dismissed. Yet Islam is not of the same roots. In the early stages of Islam, Muhammad made special concessions for “People of the Book” compared with that of infidels, or pagans, or kafirs, or polytheists. Muhammad’s tolerant verses include:
      [73.9] The Lord(Allah) of the East and the West– there is no god but He (Allah)– therefore take Him for a protector. [73.10] And bear patiently what they(infidels) say and avoid them with a becoming avoidance. [73.11] And leave Me (Allah) and the rejecters (of Allah), the possessors of ease and plenty, and respite them a little. [1]

      Muhammad Makes very Slow Progress

      Muhammad began his ministry when he was 40 years of age. It was a painfully slow start as his first convert was hgis wife, Khadija, and in the next 3 years he managed to convert 7 men one of whom was his slave, Said. The others were Abu Bakr, Uthman ibn Affan, Zubair ibn el Awa, Abdel Rahman ibn Auf, Saad ibn abi Wakkaas, and Talha. After another 5 years of proselytising Muhammad had 16 followers. It took several more years before he managed to gain 40 men and women to accept his faith. After 13 years of proselytising in Mecca he managed to get 100 followers. Muhammad was desperate to make his ideology more appealing especially to his own tribe, the Quraysh tribe. This is why many of his ritual he introduced were pagan rituals of the Quraysh like circling the Kaa’ba, the kissing of the Black Stone, making the Hajj, addressing his god as Allah just as the Moon god was addressed, but still his efforts went begging with the Quraysh tribe who considered his ideology as deviant and unacceptable. This is why Muhammad eventually attempted a Bargain with the Quraysh tribe and paid obeisance to the pagan gods with what is today known as the Satanic verses. [4*]

      Muhammad Changes at Medina

      However, Muhammad’s attitude changed when the Jews/Christians resisted Muhammad in Medina and he had to put down their treachery and slaughtered all those who rejected reversion to Islam. Since then, Muhammad abrogated all his verses that contained compassion with this verse:

      [9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

      From that day on in Medina, Islam became exclusive and irreconcilable. [1]

      TIME SCALE: (PROVIDING PERSPECTIVE)
      Abraham born c.1813 BCE and died 1638 BCE (I75 Years)
      Sarah born c. 1803
      Ishmael was born 1727 BCE- died 1590 BCE (137 years)
      Ishmael was born when Abraham was 86 years of age, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishmael
      Isaac was born 1713 BCE and died 1533 BCE
      Isaac was born when Abraham was 100 years old (Gen 21:5) and Sarah was 90 years of age (Gen 17:17)
      Moses born 1393 BCE and died 1272 BCE (180 years)
      Moses sees burning Bush 1314 BCE
      Mohammad born 570 CE died 630 CE(60 years). Began his preaching Islam in 610 CE (when 40 years old)
      Beginnings of Abrahamic Faiths

      The fundamental doctrines of Judaism was transmitted to Moses from the visions he received from the burning bush in 1314 BC, marking the beginnings of Judaism. It is obvious that prior to 1314 BC the Semitic/Arab tribes/Egyptians could only be aware of the Gods of the Pharaohs (the Sun God) or the other pagan beliefs (the Moon God of the Quraysh tribe) of that time. It would be illogical that anyone could visualise the “God of Moses” before 1314 BC, nor Jesus before 0 AD or the Trinity before 325 AD, or Allah before 610 AD, because these icons did not and could not have existed in the minds of men before the concept existed. Hence the only god or gods that could have been worshipped by Adam or Abraham or Isaac or Ishmael could have been pagan gods or the gods of the Pharaohs or some other heathen icons. Thus for Judaism to claim ancestry to Adam and Abraham and Isaac and Ishmael could only be possible with the extrapolation of their genealogy and their newly conceived faith. This would be an act of dissimulation or misinformation. Adam or Abraham and his sons could only have worshipped pagan gods. The existence of pagan gods, prior to Moses’ visions, or at the time of Jesus or that of the Prophet Muhammad is well documented in religious history. Certainly, evidence that the Ka’aba in Mecca was used and worshipped by pagans of pagan gods and goddesses has never been disputed. It is the chronological sequences of events and the extrapolation of events that needs to be examined. [3]
      Islamic traditions believe that Abraham with his son Ishmael built the foundations of the Kaaba. Quran 2:127 And when Ibrahim and Ismail raised the foundations of the House: Our Lord! accept from us; surely Thou art the Hearing, the Knowing:Islamic traditions believe that Abraham and Ishmael built the foundations of the Kaaba. Islamic traditions also believe that the Kaaba was first built by Adam and that Abraham and Ishmael rebuilt the new Kaaba on the old foundations. [4][5][6]Accepting the above logic, the Kaaba built by Adam, and subsequently rebuilt by Abraham and Ishmael were built as “polytheist pagan alter” worshipped by the various tribes of the region. On this alter sat all the 120 gods or more that were venerated by the different worshippers-totems of each of the tribes of the Arabian Peninsular with idols of pagan gods such as “Hubal” known as “Al-ilah” and worshipped alongside Al-illah would be his three daughters, al-Lat, al-Uzza, and al-Manat. There is no question that the Kaaba was not a pagan alter, until 631 AD when Muhammad led his followers to take over and pay their first Hajj(as believers of Islam) in Mecca, and he cleansed the Kaaba and destroyed all other idols and re-ordained the building as the House of Allah.[7] Muslim scholars refer to the period before Muhammad’s taking possession of the Kaaba, 631 AD, as “al-Jahiliyah” meaning, “The Days of Ignorance,” clearly acknowledging that prior to 631 AD Arabs were polytheist pagans. Hence clearly accepting that the Kaaba, built by Adam, and rebuilt by Abraham and Ishmael were in fact pagan alters of worship. It also clearly shows that Muhammad chose to accept all the symbols of his own Quraysh tribe, Hubal, (addressed as Allah,) and symbol (the crescent moon) as his god, Allah. [A Clear contradiction of claims to the antiquity of Islam.] [8]
      References:
      [1] Muhammad from paganism to monotheism: http://knol.google.com/k/understanding-islam-a-study-edited-19-11-08-updated-14-03-09-16-06-09-13-12-09#Mohammad(2D)_from_paganism_to_monotheism
      [2] Muhammad offered sacrifice to al-Uzza: http://www.islam-watch.org/AbulKasem/RootsTerrorism/RootsTerrorism17.htm
      [3] Origins of Abrahamic faiths: http://knol.google.com/k/islamic-origins-abrahamic-faiths-analysed#
      [4] Abraham&Ishmail building Kaaba: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishmael
      [4*] Obeisance to pagan gods: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:sOuPkvlAMiYJ:www.menorah.org/Origens%2520of%2520Islam.pdf+Quraysh+Worship&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&client=safari
      [5] Abraham and Ishmael rebuilding the Ka’aba: http://islam.about.com/od/mecca/p/kaaba.htm
      [6] Kaaba: http://www.reference.com/browse/Kaaba
      [7] The Destruction of al-Uzza, al-Manat: http://www.islam-watch.org/AbulKasem/RootsTerrorism/RootsTerrorism17.htm
      [8] Muhammad takes possession of Kaaba, 631 AD: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajj

      That is only one aspect of my comments. We also have to investigate the origins of Christianity and Judaism and find out what influenced their original ideologies. You will find such investigations most fascinating and revealing.

      Also please look up this link: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:sOuPkvlAMiYJ:www.menorah.org/Origens%2520of%2520Islam.pdf+Quraysh+Worship&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&client=safari

  48. andytab

    Hi
    You need to consult a revered imam these ahadiths and quranic verses. You are adding your bias to the argument and inferrring that Islam allows the killings of innovent non-believers. No where in Islam is the word, infide, used and the prophet did not kill innocent disbelievers himself.
    Please, consult a scholar of Islam who knows the Arabic language well to show you the correction to your inference. Don’t listen to Anjam Choudry. He’s in jail in England now and the formal, organised Islamic community do not support his violent claims.

    • mbplee

      andytabass, thank you for your comments. I am sorry but Imams are ignorant and biased and thus most unreliable informants of the Quran. It is best that you study Islam with an open and unbiased mind and look at all sources inside and outside the Quran. And do not be selective and simply choose those verses that suit your views and read it out of context. Read the Quran as a whole intergretated ideology. Here are some extracts from the QURAN:

      Does the Quran really contain over a hundred verses promoting violence?

      The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called ‘hypocrites’ and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.
      Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by historical context contained in the surrounding text (although many Muslims choose to think of them that way). They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subject to interpretation as anything else in the Quran.

      The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God. Most contemporary Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book’s call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Their apologists cater to these preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.

      Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad’s own martial legacy, along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran, have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history.
      Quran

      Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing… but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)” (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The verse prior to this (190) refers to “fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you” leading some to claim that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes and families. The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, however, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). Verse 190 thus means to fight those who offer resistance to Allah’s rule (ie. Muslim conquest). The use of the word “persecution” by some Muslim translators is disingenuous – the actual Arabic words for persecution (idtihad) – and oppression (a variation of “z-l-m”) do not appear in the verse. The word used instead, “fitna”, can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. This is certainly what is meant in this context since the violence is explicitly commissioned “until religion is for Allah” – ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.

      Quran (2:244) – “Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things.”

      Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.” Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

      Quran (3:56) – “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”

      Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”. This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be ‘joining companions to Allah’).

      Quran (4:74) – “Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.” The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today’s suicide bombers.

      Quran (4:76) – “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…”

      Quran (4:89) – “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”

      Quran (4:95) – “Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward ” This passage criticizes “peaceful” Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah’s eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that “Jihad” doesn’t mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is this Arabic word (mujahiduna) used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man’s protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad, which would not make sense if it meant an internal struggle).

      Quran (4:104) – “And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain…” Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?

      Quran (5:33) – “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement”

      Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them” No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

      Quran (8:15) – “O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey’s end.”

      Quran (8:39) – “And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah” Some translations interpret “fitna” as “persecution”, but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for 2:193). The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj. Other Muslims were allowed to travel there – just not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad’s intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until “religion is only for Allah”, meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition. According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that “Allah must have no rivals.”

      Quran (8:57) – “If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember.”

      Quran (8:67) – “It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land…”

      Quran (8:59-60) – “And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah’s Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy.”

      Quran (8:65) – “O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight…”

      Quran (9:5) – “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.” According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence at the time of Muhammad was to convert to Islam: prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion’s Five Pillars. The popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack. Had they been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months). The historical context is Mecca after the idolaters were subjugated by Muhammad and posed no threat. Once the Muslims had power, they violently evicted those unbelievers who would not convert.

      [Note: The verse says to fight unbelievers “wherever you find them”. Even if the context is in a time of battle (which it was not) the reading appears to sanction attacks against those “unbelievers” who are not on the battlefield. In 2016, the Islamic State referred to this verse in urging the faithful to commit terror attacks: Allah did not only command the ‘fighting’ of disbelievers, as if to say He only wants us to conduct frontline operations against them. Rather, He has also ordered that they be slain wherever they may be – on or off the battlefield. (source)]

      Quran (9:14) – “Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people.” Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even “healing” the hearts of Muslims.

      Quran (9:20) – “Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah’s way are of much greater worth in Allah’s sight. These are they who are triumphant.” The Arabic word interpreted as “striving” in this verse is the same root as “Jihad”. The context is obviously holy war.

      Quran (9:29) – “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” “People of the Book” refers to Christians and Jews. According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status. Verse 9:33 tells Muslims that Allah has charted them to make Islam “superior over all religions.” This chapter was one of the final “revelations” from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad’s companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.

      Quran (9:30) – “And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!”

      Quran (9:38-39) – “O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place.” This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.

      Quran (9:41) – “Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew.” See also the verse that follows (9:42) – “If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them” This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case, according to the historians).

      Quran (9:73) – “O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.” Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that unbelievers are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter. It also explains why today’s devout Muslims have little regard for those outside the faith.

      Quran (9:88) – “But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper.”

      Quran (9:111) – “Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.” How does the Quran define a true believer?

      Quran (9:123) – “O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.”

      Quran (17:16) – “And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction.” Note that the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is “utter destruction.” (Before ordering the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an invitation to Islam).

      Quran (18:65-81) – This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion. The story (which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source) tells of Moses encountering a man with “special knowledge” who does things which don’t seem to make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later explanation. One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (74). However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would “grieve” his parents by “disobedience and ingratitude.” He was killed so that Allah could provide them a ‘better’ son. [Note: This parable along with verse 58:22 is a major reason that honor killing is sanctioned by Sharia. Reliance of the Traveler (Umdat al-Saliq) says that punishment for murder is not applicable when a parent or grandparent kills their offspring (o.1.12).]

      Quran (21:44) – “We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?”

      Quran (25:52) – “Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness…” “Strive against” is Jihad – obviously not in the personal context. It’s also significant to point out that this is a Meccan verse.

      Quran (33:60-62) – “If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter.” This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered “merciless” and “horrible murder” in other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to “fight in the way of Allah” (3:167) and hence don’t act as Muslims should), those with “diseased hearts” (which include Jews and Christians 5:51-52), and “alarmists” or “agitators who include those who merely speak out against Islam, according to Muhammad’s biographers. It is worth noting that the victims are to be sought out by Muslims, which is what today’s terrorists do. If this passage is meant merely to apply to the city of Medina, then it is unclear why it is included in Allah’s eternal word to Muslim generations.

      Quran (47:3-4) – “Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord… So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah’s Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)… If it had been Allah’s Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost.” Those who reject Allah are to be killed in Jihad. The wounded are to be held captive for ransom. The only reason Allah doesn’t do the dirty work himself is to to test the faithfulness of Muslims. Those who kill pass the test.

      Quran (47:35) – “Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: “have the upper hand”) for Allah is with you,”

      Quran (48:17) – “There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom.” Contemporary apologists sometimes claim that Jihad means ‘spiritual struggle.’ Is so, then why are the blind, lame and sick exempted? This verse also says that those who do not fight will suffer torment in hell.

      Quran (48:29) – “Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves” Islam is not about treating everyone equally. This verse tells Muslims that there are two very distinct standards that are applied based on religious status. Also the word used for ‘hard’ or ‘ruthless’ in this verse shares the same root as the word translated as ‘painful’ or severe’ to describe Hell in over 25 other verses including 65:10, 40:46 and 50:26..

      Quran (61:4) – “Surely Allah loves those who fight in His cause” Religion of Peace, indeed! The verse explicitly refers to “rows” or “battle array,” meaning that it is speaking of physical conflict. This is followed by (61:9), which defines the “cause”: “He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist.” (See next verse, below). Infidels who resist Islamic rule are to be fought.

      Quran (61:10-12) – “O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a commerce that will save you from a painful torment. That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know! (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwelling in Gardens of’Adn- Eternity [‘Adn(Edn) Paradise], that is indeed the great success.” This verse refers to physical battle in order to make Islam victorious over other religions (see verse 9). It uses the Arabic root for the word Jihad.

      Quran (66:9) – “O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey’s end.” The root word of “Jihad” is used again here. The context is clearly holy war, and the scope of violence is broadened to include “hypocrites” – those who call themselves Muslims but do not act as such. Other verses calling Muslims to Jihad can be found here at AnsweringIslam.org
      Hadith and Sira

      Sahih Bukhari (52:177) – Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”

      Sahih Bukhari (52:256) – The Prophet… was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, “They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans).” In this command, Muhammad establishes that it is permissible to kill non-combatants in the process of killing a perceived enemy. This provides justification for the many Islamic terror bombings.

      Sahih Bukhari (52:65) – The Prophet said, ‘He who fights that Allah’s Word (Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah’s Cause. Muhammad’s words are the basis for offensive Jihad – spreading Islam by force. This is how it was understood by his companions, and by the terrorists of today. (See also Sahih Bukhari 3:125)

      Sahih Bukhari (52:220) – Allah’s Apostle said… ‘I have been made victorious with terror’

      Abu Dawud (14:2526) – The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, “There is no god but Allah” and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist)

      Abu Dawud (14:2527) – The Prophet said: Striving in the path of Allah (jihad) is incumbent on you along with every ruler, whether he is pious or impious

      Sahih Muslim (1:33) – the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah

      Sahih Bukhari (8:387) – Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally.”

      Muslim (1:30) – “The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah.”

      Sahih Bukhari (52:73) – “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords’.”

      Sahih Bukhari (11:626) – [Muhammad said:] “I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those, who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes.”

      Sahih Muslim (1:149) – “Abu Dharr reported: I said: Messenger of Allah, which of the deeds is the best? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause…”

      Sahih Muslim (20:4645) – “…He (the Messenger of Allah) did that and said: There is another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one hundred (higher), and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to the height of the heaven from the earth. He (Abu Sa’id) said: What is that act? He replied: Jihad in the way of Allah! Jihad in the way of Allah!”

      Sahih Muslim (20:4696) – “the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: ‘One who died but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or determination) for Jihad died the death of a hypocrite.'”

      Muslim (19:4321-4323) – Three separate hadith in which Muhammad shrugs over the news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against unbelievers. His response: “They are of them (meaning the enemy).”

      Sahih Muslim (19:4294) – “When the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) appointed anyone as leader of an army or detachment he would especially exhort him… He would say: Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war… When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them… If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them.”

      Sahih Muslim (31:5917) – “Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: ‘Allah’s Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people?’ Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: ‘Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger’.” The pretext for attacking the peaceful farming community of Khaibar was not obvious to the Muslims. Muhammad’s son-in-law Ali asked the prophet of Islam to clarify the reason for their mission to kill, loot and enslave. Muhammad’s reply was straightforward. The people should be fought because they are not Muslim.

      Sahih Muslim (31:5918) – “I will fight them until they are like us.” Ali’s reply to Muhammad, after receiving clarification that the pretext for attack Khaibar was to convert the people (see above verse).

      Sahih Bukhari 1:35 “The person who participates in (Holy Battles) in Allah’s cause and nothing compels him do so except belief in Allah and His Apostle, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty ( if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise ( if he is killed).”

      Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, “Kill any Jew who falls under your power.” Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad’s men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.

      Tabari 9:69 “Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us” The words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam.

      Tabari 17:187 “‘By God, our religion (din) from which we have departed is better and more correct than that which these people follow. Their religion does not stop them from shedding blood, terrifying the roads, and seizing properties.’ And they returned to their former religion.” The words of a group of Christians who had converted to Islam, but realized their error after being shocked by the violence and looting committed in the name of Allah. The price of their decision to return to a religion of peace was that the men were beheaded and the woman and children enslaved by the caliph Ali.

      Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 484: – “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

      Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 990: Cutting off someone’s head while shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’ is not a ‘perverison of Islam’, but a tradition of Islam that began with Muhammad. In this passage, a companion recounts an episode in which he staged a surprise ambush on a settlement: “I leapt upon him and cut off his head and ran in the direction of the camp shouting ‘Allah akbar’ and my two companions did likewise”.

      Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 992: – “Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah.” Muhammad’s instructions to his men prior to a military raid.

      Saifur Rahman, The Sealed Nectar p.227-228 – “Embrace Islam… If you two accept Islam, you will remain in command of your country; but if your refuse my Call, you’ve got to remember that all of your possessions are perishable. My horsemen will appropriate your land, and my Prophethood will assume preponderance over your kingship.” One of several letters from Muhammad to rulers of other countries. The significance is that the recipients were not making war or threatening Muslims. Their subsequent defeat and subjugation by Muhammad’s armies was justified merely on the basis of their unbelief.

      Having read that, you can see the folly of what you have said. The Quran is full of verses advocating killing of non-Muslims.

  49. Diyaa Xeidy

    ‘Fasaad fil arz’ has a strong meaning which applies to those people who spread corruption/fear/terror/war in the land. In no way does it apply to all non-muslims. That is a very stupid thing to assume.

    • mbplee

      DiyaaXeidy, Thank you for your comments. Tell me, what philosophy does the Quran teach/preach?

      As I see it the Quran teaches nothing but Islamic Fascism:

      Islamic Fascism

      “Islamic Fascism” is one name for the modern, globalised, violent, terrorist, political form of Islam. In many ways the modern globalised terrorist form of jihad is simply a continuation of the 1,400 year old jihad of Islam. I will make the argument for giving the modern version a name below.
      A formerly popular name for the modern ideology was “Islamic fundamentalism”. The terms “Islamic Fascism” and “Islamofascism” enjoyed a popularity after 9/11. “Islamism” is probably now the most common term. “Political Islam” and “Radical Islam” and “Islamic supremacism” are also used. All of these mean the same thing – the wing of Islam that uses war (jihad) to impose oppression (sharia).

      The term “Islamic Fascism”

      Islamic Fascism is really a modern phenomenon. [1] It is basically a 20th century totalitarian movement – like fascism and communism.
      Islamic Fascism is designed – like fascism and communism – to appeal to idealistic young people with a utopian future where the world will be “cleansed”. Other names for it are “Islamofascism” and “Islamism” and “Islamic fundamentalism”.

      I think “Islamic Fascism” is the clearest, most descriptive name, [2] showing that this is simply the same kind of thing that the democracies spent the 20th century fighting. Islamic Fascism is genuinely fascist. It has contempt for democracy, free speech and human rights. It is full of hatred for Jews, atheists, homosexuals, and liberated women. It is linked to racist hatred of blacks in Sudan, slave trading of black Africans, and racist hatred of other ethnic minorities in the Islamic world. And, like fascism and communism, the only solution is the destruction of this philosophy. This will take a long Cold War, lasting for perhaps this entire century.

      [1] I don’t mean to imply that Islam in general is peaceful or respects human rights. That is clearly not true. I am only saying that the Islamist movement we are up against – idealistic, utopian (full of young people), expansionist (let’s attack the west), suicide-bombing, fantasy-based (let’s conquer the whole world) – is quite a new movement, which did not really exist before the 1960s-70s.
      [2] The terms “Islamic Fascism” or “Islamofascism” are quite respectable:
      President George W. Bush has used these terms:
      “Islamo-fascism” and “Islamo-fascists” in Oct 2005 and Nov 2005 and Nov 2005 and Mar 2006 and May 2006 and June 2006 and Aug 2006.
      “Islamic fascism” and “Islamic fascists” in May 2006 and June 2006 and Aug 2006 and Aug 2006.
      Muslim / Middle Eastern dissidents have used these terms:
      The Iranian Amil Imani calls the Iranian regime “vicious fascist killers” and describes Zarqawi, bin Laden and the Presidents of Iran as “Islamofascists”.
      The Iranian Ali Sina says this is a fight against “Islamofascism” or “Islamic Fascism”.
      The Egyptian Nonie Darwish calls the President of Iran an “Islamo-fascist”.
      Are these people “racists” too? Not at all. They are simply describing what they see. Just as if starry-eyed young Christian fundamentalists were suicide-bombing gay bars, strip clubs, mosques, synagogues and abortion clinics, urged on by hate-filled TV-evangelist preachers who promised that the bombers would go to Heaven, we would not hesitate to describe it as “Christian Fascism”.
      Defending “Islamofascism” – It’s a valid term. Here’s why, Christopher Hitchens, Oct 22, 2007.
      “Both movements are based on a cult of murderous violence that exalts death and destruction and despises the life of the mind. … Both are hostile to modernity (except when it comes to the pursuit of weapons), and both are bitterly nostalgic for past empires and lost glories. Both are obsessed with real and imagined “humiliations” and thirsty for revenge. Both are chronically infected with the toxin of anti-Jewish paranoia … Both are inclined to leader worship and to the exclusive stress on the power of one great book. Both have a strong commitment to sexual repression … Both despise art and literature as symptoms of degeneracy and decadence; both burn books and destroy museums and treasures. … Technically, no form of Islam preaches racial superiority or proposes a master race. But in practice, Islamic fanatics operate a fascistic concept of the “pure” and the “exclusive” over the unclean and the kufar or profane. … In the attitude to Jews, it is clear that an inferior or unclean race is being talked about (which is why many Muslim extremists like the grand mufti of Jerusalem gravitated to Hitler’s side). … And, of course, Bin Laden has threatened force against U.N. peacekeepers who might dare interrupt the race-murder campaign against African Muslims that is being carried out by his pious Sudanese friends in Darfur.”
      I love the way he sums it up. It’s very simple: “we have a duty to oppose and destroy these and any similar totalitarian movements”
      Islamic Fascism 101: On all they’ve done to earn the name, by Victor Davis Hanson, 25 Sept 2006.
      “Make no apologies for the use of “Islamic fascism.” It is the perfect nomenclature for the agenda of radical Islam, for a variety of historical and scholarly reasons. That such usage also causes extreme embarrassment to both the Islamists themselves and their leftist “anti-fascist” appeasers in the West is just too bad.”
      On the defeat of the jihad: “it is a vain enterprise to worry over how many Muslims follow or support al Qaeda, or, in contrast, how many in the Middle East actively resist Islamists. Most people have no ideology, but simply accommodate themselves to the prevailing sense of an agenda’s success or failure. Just as there weren’t more than a dozen vocal critics of Hitler after the Wehrmacht finished off France in six weeks in June of 1940, so too there wasn’t a Nazi to be found in June 1945 when Berlin lay in rubble.”
      After Charlie Hebdo, French prime minister says France is at war with “Islamo-fascism”, Feb 2015. It takes some people a while to catch up.
      http://markhumphrys.com/islamic.fascism.html

  50. Isa

    I think there is one more part of this conversation that needs to be discussed. And that is both the Bible and Quran have a lot of parts that are followed or not followed by various sects depending day, time, political mode, or justification for whatever they want. People pick and choose what they will believe or not believe and they will change places of worship until they find what they want or what is comfortable for them. None of these interpretations are absolute. The Bible and the Quran both tell us to ‘kill the other guys’ and yet we are not engaged in World War III. Yes there are people who are killing in the name of God/Allah but most are not. We can find texts in both books that contradict various passages, and we can find people that are both faiths that both kill and protect each other from the current actions of ISIS/L to the Muslims who formed prayer rings around other places of worship to protect followers of other religions. I cannot approve fundamentalists of any religion who kill in the name of their Lord because to begin with, if you are looking for converts, well, hard to convert the dead. If we believe that God/Allah is Omniscient, Omnipotent, and Omnipresent then the Deity that we were born with or have chosen would eliminate anything that did not have the Deity’s approbation. If anyone stepped back and considered that point, perhaps they’d realize the pointlessness of killing each other for religious reasons. To deny God/Allah these attributes is to then deny the Deity’s validity.

    • mbplee

      Isa, as far as I know, the Quran is the word of Allah and there is no cherry picking in Islam. If anyone disputes any of Allah’s doctrines, he cannot be a true Muslim. So indisputably these are the commands of Allah as found in his teachings:

      ***There is no place in the Quran where Muhammad commands Muslims to love people of other religions. By contrast there are at least three dozen verses that tell Muslims to fight against non-Muslims and about 500 that speak of their place in Hell. They are from each period in Muhammad’s life, scattered across 87 of the Quran’s 114 chapters.

      ***To put this in perspective, nearly one out of twelve verses in the Quran says that Allah hates non-Muslims to the extent that he will torment them for eternity in horrible ways. The Suras that make reference to this comprise about 95% of the Quran’s total volume. If Allah creates infidels merely to fuel the fires of Hell, then there is little reason for Muslims to believe that such lives are of any worth in this world either.

      The Quran:

      As mentioned, there are nearly 500 verses from 87 Suras that speak of Hell. This is just a sample:

      Quran (40:71-72) – When the fetters and the chains shall be on their necks; they shall be dragged Into boiling water, then in the fire shall they be burned

      Quran (22:19-21) – But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads; Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron

      Quran (4:56) – Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment Lo! Allah is ever Mighty, Wise

      ***Quran (56:92-94) – But if he is of the rejecters, the erring, then the welcome will be boiling water and roasting at hell-fire

      As to what regard Muslims are to show for those who don’t believe, the Quran says to be ruthless toward them, since they are going to Hell anyway:

      Quran (9:73) – O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination

      Quran (66:9) – O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey’s end.

      ***Quran (8:55) – Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve

      ***Quran (9:30) – And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah… Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!

      Quran (4:52) – Those (Christians) are they whom Allah hath cursed…

      Quran (4:47) – O you (Jews) who have been given the Book! believe that which We have revealed, verifying what you have, before We alter faces then turn them on their backs, or curse them as We cursed the violaters of the Sabbath, and the command of Allah shall be executed.

      Quran (5:59-60) – This verse begets the infamous belief on the part of some Muslims that Jews are descended from swine and apes, since it says that wicked Jews (at least) were transformed by Allah in the past. (See also 2:64)

      The Quran also contains dozens of verses that specifically describe Jews in the ugliest, most hateful terms. These parts of the Quran are indistinguishable from hate literature.

      From the Hadith:

      There are hundreds of verses from the traditions that speak of violence and hatred against non-Muslims, particularly Allah’s intense dislike, manifested by his plans to physically torture them for eternity.

      It is difficult to find justice in the character of the god of Islam. Not only does Allah appear to punish people disproportionately for mere unbelief, but he explicitly creates them to be nothing more than “fuel for the fire” of hell Quran (72:15) and he actually “causes the unjust to go astray” Quran (14:27) (see also verses 74:31 and 18:17) even though he has the ability to lead everyone down the right path Quran (16:9). A person’s good deeds are for naught Quran (18:104-106). Allah even sends the wives of “evil-doers” to Hell without apparent regard for their own guilt Quran (37:22).

      The actions of Muslims often reflect this hatred for non-believers. Those who kill believe they have a religious mandate to do so. Others celebrate terror attacks, including the mass murder of 9/11, which was cheered by Muslims from Gaza to Europe and (reportedly) even in the halls of the U.S. State Department.

      With hatred also confirmed by close to 500 verses that speak of Allah’s wrath on unbelievers, the effort to mine those rare diamonds that do speak of love and tolerance must be a true study in cherry picking.

      Verse 151 condemns Christians to Hell for believing in the Trinity, while verses 113-116 say that there are among the People of the Book who believe in Allah and the Last Day and are in “the ranks of the righteous.”

      Taken as a whole, no other religion on earth has the mandate that Islam does to dominate those outside the faith politically and culturally. Non-Muslims are to be subjugated and forced to pay money to Muslims, according to the Quran’s 9th sura and various Hadith. Islamic law (Sharia) not only governs the affairs of Muslims, but non-Muslims as well.

      There are Hadith that tell Muslims not to hate and not to do harm in word or deed (Muslim (1:65)) but the context and exact wording makes it very clear that this applies within the Muslim community to a believer’s relations with fellow Muslims. These are not commands that govern a Muslim’s obligation to the general community

      ***The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called ‘hypocrites’ and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

      Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by the historical context of the surrounding text. They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subjective as anything else in the Quran.

      The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God, however this can work both ways. Most of today’s Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book’s call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Apologists cater to their preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.

      Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad’s own martial legacy – and that of his companions – along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history.

      Islam is convinced that it is perfect, and is not open to criticism or examination. Islam conquers land and never gives it up, conquers religion and culture, and never gives it up. Islam will never make apologies (unless they are weaker and it would bide them time to build up their strength) and feels totally justified in all its atrocities. Islam breed violence, and the better Muslim a man is, the more violent he will be. If Satan himself created a religion, it would be Islam.

  51. Adin Ladin

    I am a newly convert to Islam the those bit you quoted is from the Hadith. But the Quran is unique!

    Hadith | Conspiracy To Destroy Islam https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LlAs_vTh_

    Lesley Hazleton: “Prophet Muhammad [s]: Where did Humanity Go Wrong?”

    PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PBUH) WARNED US ABOUT WAHHABISM
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O07D–h25n0

    Do Islamic Terrorists really get 72 Virgins? False Hadith

    Russian Christian priest about Islam

    • mbplee

      AdinLadin, I am sure that you will have studied Islam thoroughly when you decided to convert. Yes, the Quran is unique as it is accepted by the faithful that it is the literal word of Allah. I hope that the faith satisfies all your spiritual needs. Lesley Hazleton speaks well, but I find that they are hollow words smothered with beautiful diction.

  52. Eric Bruno

    Yh….it very truthful that the Qur’an is said to be best explained Allah… So why then do Moslems misquote and misunderstand sura 5:32

    • mbplee

      EricBruno, the reason is that Muslims like to believe that Islam is a benign religion to ALL people, but it is not. Muslims like Taqiyya, to lie to the infidel and to disinform them about Islam. In fact many Muslims begin to believe in the lies themselves. Sad.

  53. Faris Mee

    5:32 is a specific order for Bani Israel. the criminals should stop deleting part of the verse to suite your agenda. “WE WROTE FOR THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL…”. Whereas I am muslim. My God ALLAH wrote for me that to kill one it will be recorded as one.

    Whoever comes [on the Day of Judgement] with a good deed will have ten times the like thereof [to his credit], and whoever comes with an evil deed will not be recompensed except the like thereof; and they will not be wronged. 6:160

    MUSLIM: Kill one person – crime is killed one person.
    BANI ISRAEL: kill one person crime written as killed 6.5 billion people.

  54. meyer

    The same lies in france..on tv

  55. nisar

    mbplee: WHAT IS “Taqiyya” is???????????

    • mbplee

      Taqiyya is “lying in the cause of Islam.”

      Deception, Lying
      and Taqiyya

      Does Islam permit Muslims to lie?

      Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to “smooth over differences.”
      There are several forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, the best known being taqiyya. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause of Islam – in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.

      • nisar

        mbplee: which Islamic book it is written????????

      • nisar

        I ma sking aobut ” Taqiyya is “lying in the cause of Islam.”

        Deception, Lying
        and Taqiyya

        don’t run now!

      • nisar akhtar

        don’t give me these links from these hate website…………. THESE ARE LIES
        show me from Quran and hadith.where Islam tells Muslims to lie and deceive….quote me the verses OF Quran

      • mbplee

        nisar adhtar, I am sorry that you are so ignorant of the teachings of Islam that I have to find and feed you the verses that you seek. I hope you have enough comprehension to understand what it means.

        Quran

        Quran (16:106) – Establishes that there are circumstances that can “compel” a Muslim to tell a lie.

        Sahih International: Whoever disbelieves in Allah after his belief… except for one who is forced [to renounce his religion] while his heart is secure in faith. But those who [willingly] open their breasts to disbelief, upon them is wrath from Allah , and for them is a great punishment;

        Quran (3:28) – This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to “guard themselves” against danger, meaning that there are times when a Muslim should appear friendly to non-Muslims, even though they should not feel that way..

        Quran (9:3) – “…Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters…” The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway. (The next verse refers only to those who have a personal agreement with Muhammad as individuals – see Ibn Kathir (vol 4, p 49)

        Quran (40:28) – A man is introduced as a believer, but one who had to “hide his faith” among those who are not believers.

        Quran (2:225) – “Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts”

        Quran (3:54) – “And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers.” The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means ‘deceit’. If Allah is supremely deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21)

        Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be “compelled” to deceive others for a greater purpose.
        Hadith and Sira

        Sahih Bukhari (52:269) – “The Prophet said, ‘War is deceit.'” The context of this is thought to be the murder of Usayr ibn Zarim and his thirty unarmed men by Muhammad’s men after he “guaranteed” them safe passage (see Additional Notes below).

        Sahih Bukhari (49:857) – “He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar.” Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means.

        Sahih Bukhari (84:64-65) – Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permitted in order to deceive an “enemy.”

        Sahih Muslim (32:6303) – “…he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them).”

        Sahih Bukhari (50:369) – Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka’b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad’s insistence. The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka’b’s trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad. This drew the victim out of his fortress, whereupon he was brutally slaughtered.

        From Islamic Law:

        Reliance of the Traveler (p. 746 – 8.2) – “Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible (N:i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible), and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory… it is religiously precautionary in all cases to employ words that give a misleading impression… (See the Permissible Lying section on the Sharia page for more)

        “One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie.”

        I hope this helps you to appreciate Islam better.

  56. nisar akhtar

    mbplee: thats a shame……………..any of these verse condone or ask Muslim to lie or deceive?????????????
    ignorant person first know the history of these verse.
    let me teach you things or two for future….just copy/pasting make you look ugly ……………wise peoples research to find the truth…..like hate mongers who have no brain but jump like monkey without even knowing the truth………..NOW READ

    QURAN VERSE (16:106) Except for those who were forced to engage in infidelity to Allah after believing the while their hearts remained firmly convinced of their belief, the ones whose hearts willingly embraced disbelief shall incur Allah’s wrath and a mighty chastisement lies in store for them.
    EXPLANATION: the above verse was revealed in the early days of Islam when Muslims were tortured,tormented, persecute by Arabs Pagans because they were very small in numbers and have to hide their faith to avoid persecution.This verse deals with the case of those Muslims who were being persecuted with cruelty and were being subjected to unbearable torments to force them to give up their faith. They are being told that if at any time they are forced to utter words of disbelief to save their lives, when in fact in their hearts they are secure against disbelief, they will be pardoned. On the other hand, if they accepted unbelief from the core of their hearts, they shall not escape the torment of Allah even if they succeed in saving their lives.

    Sayyidina Abdullah bin Mas’ud mentions further that all of them besides Bilal uttered such words such words to save themselves. Bilal was prepared to sacrifice his life for Allah and was constantly tortured until Abu Bakr bought his freedom. Sumayya was privileged enough to be the first person to be martyred in the history of Islam [Al Bidaya wan Nihayah v.3 p.55 59]. The above verse was revealed with regard to the other Sahabah who were forced by the polytheists to otter words of infidelity (kufr). Although they said these words, they still remained staunch believers. Durrul Manthur (v.3 p. 132) reports that the polytheists once apprehended Ammar bin Yasir and only left him when he spoke ill of the Holy Prophet and praised their idols. He later came to the Holy Prophet, who asked him how things were. He replied that matters were exceptionally unfavorable.
    Thereafter he told the Holy Prophet that he had lied when he spoke ill of the Holy Prophet and praised the idols. The Holy Prophet asked him what was the condition of his heart? He replied that it was content with belief (Iman). The Holy prophet told him that he could repeat those words if ever the disbelievers (Kuffar) were to harass him in that manner. On this occasion Allah revealed the verse, ‘save for him who is forced, but his heart is content with belief (Iman).’ Durrul Manthur reports that two Muslims were captured and brought before Musailama Kadhdhab. When he asked the one whether he attested to the Prophethood of Muhammad, he replied in the affirmative. When he asked him whether he (Musailama) was Allah’s prophet, the sahaba placed his fingers in his ears, denoting that he was deaf to the statement. Musailama then had him killed. Then turning his attention to the second Sah’abi, Musailama posed the same questions to him. He replied that he also believed to be Allah’s Prophet. Consequently, he was released. When he returned to the Holy prophet, he related the incident to him. The Holy Prophet said, ‘Your Companion has passed away with belief (Iman) and you have practitised the concession.’ It is learnt from this that mere verbal threats will not be regarded as ‘force’. … [1]

    • mbplee

      hisar akhtar, I must have touched a raw nerve for you to produce all these replies to show your knowledge of Islam, but like all Muslims you are thinking from within the BOX (Islam). All the verses you have quoted are man made and hear-say evidence of mythical stories that never happened. There is no historicity in them, i.e., historical or archaeology evidence . You are talking of ancient myths based on pagan myths of the Querish tribes and ancient Arabs. So get real and seek historicity of Islam and Allah. This is my answer to all you many posts.

  57. nisar akhtar

    mbplee:: Now come to second verse
    Quran (3:28): Let not believers take disbelievers as allies rather than believers. And whoever [of you] does that has nothing with Allah , except when taking precaution against them in prudence. And Allah warns you of Himself, and to Allah is the [final] destination.

    Explanation: The Qur’ânic instruction of not taking the unbelievers as friends must be carefully analyzed and understood in the context of the circumstance under which the verse was revealed. The verse and sûrah was revealed in 3 A.H./625 C.E. after the battle of Badr and Uhud when the Muslims were in a state of confrontation with the unbelievers. Keeping this backdrop in mind, whenever conditions are hostile, people of other faith causing the hostility cannot be trusted to uphold the interest of the Muslims (cf. 3:118; 5:51; 60:8-9). According to Râghib, the key word wali (Pl. auliya) commonly understood to be ‘friend’, ‘a close person’, ‘an executor’, ‘a guardian’ etc. refers to nearness or friendship with respect to help and belief. Under such circumstance if someone makes alliance or friendship with the enemies, then they are on their own, Allâh would not protect them. The message of this verse does not apply to casual friendship at work or school since 60:8-9 expressly allow making friendship with unbelievers who are not hostile to the Muslims and circumstances of war does not exist between them.

  58. nisar akhtar

    mbplee:: Now come to second verse
    Quran (9:3): And [it is] an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah is disassociated from the disbelievers, and [so is] His Messenger. So if you repent, that is best for you; but if you turn away – then know that you will not cause failure to Allah . And give tidings to those who disbelieve of a painful punishment.

    Explanation: The verse in its historical context shows that there was a treaty between the Muslims and the pagans (v. 1) – two verses later (v. 3), the passage states that Allah and the Prophet are free from those who have broken the treaty i.e., there is no treaty with those who have broken it. There is nothing in the passage about deception. Actually, if we read the next verse (v. 4), it makes an exception for those pagans who kept to their treaty, meaning those who kept to their promise, Muslims must stay faithful to their treaty and leave them alone. Moreover, those who remained committed to their treaty are exempt from punishment (v. 5).

    The Holy Quran – Arabic Text with English Translation, Commentary and comprehensive Introduction – Maulana Muhammad Ali
    1a. This verse is to be read along with v. 4, which makes a clear exception in favour of those who did not fail in their agreements. It is a fact that the idolatrous tribes of Arabia broke their agreements with the Muslims again and again (8:56), yet the Muslims were enjoined to accept peace if the disbelievers consented to it, even after repeated violations (8:61). But this state of things could not continue long, for it was soon found that it was impossible to trust such neighbours. This repudiation of agreements took place on a large scale when the Muslims were absent on the Tabuk expedition. The first thirteen verses of this chapter were publicly proclaimed by Ali, on the occasion of the pilgrimage in the ninth year of the Hijrah, and the following announcements made as a result: (1) that no idolater shall approach the Sacred House after this; (2) that no one shall go naked round the Ka’bah (B. 65: ix, 3). The attitude of the tribes to whom this ultimatum was given through Ali is well indicated in their reply: ‘O Ali deliver this message to thy cousin (i.e. the Prophet), that we have thrown the agreements behind our backs, and there is no agreement between him and us except smiting with spears and striking with swords’ (Rz).

    4a. Only two tribes, the Bani Damrah, and the Bani Kananah, are related to have adhered to their treaties. The exception given here makes it clear that the Muslims were not fighting with idolaters on account of their faith, but on account of their having been untrue to their engagements. [2]

    • mbplee

      History shows that it was Muhammad who betrayed the Jewish tribes and then annihilated them when he was ready. It was the record of the earliest Islamic genocide in history.

  59. nisar akhtar

    Quran (40:28): “And a believing man from the family of Pharaoh who concealed his faith said, “Do you kill a man [merely] because he says, ‘My Lord is Allah ‘ while he has brought you clear proofs from your Lord? And if he should be lying, then upon him is [the consequence of] his lie; but if he should be truthful, there will strike you some of what he promises you. Indeed, Allah does not guide one who is a transgressor and a liar.” – Qur’an 40:28

    copy only one line from a 5 line verse to Hide the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    PAY ATTENTION TO WORD “Pharaoh” and his family member….WHAT IT HAS TO DO WITH DECEPTION?
    The above verse has been cited by critics that the passage encourages deception. A careful reading of the verse shows that there is nothing in the verse of such encouragement. When we read the verse, it says that there was a family member of Pharaoh who was a believer who concealed his faith. How is that deception? I mean, if the case was that someone asked him what his religion was and he said contrary to what he believed inside his heart, then we can say it is deception. But there is nothing of such. Hence, no deception was used by the believer.

    Commentary on Quran 40:28

    Ma’arifulul-Qur’an – Maulana Muhammad Shaffi

    In verse 28, it was said: … (who had kept his faith secret). This tells us that a person who does not declare his Iman (faith) before people, yet remains staunch in his heart, then this person is a believer. But, it stands proved from clear textual authority (of the Qur’an and Hadith) that, for Iman to be acceptable, the simple certitude of the heart is not enough, instead, it is subject to the condition of verbal confession and declaration. Unless the person concerned declares it verbally, he or she will not as a believer. However, making this verbal declaration before people publicly is not necessary. The only reason why it is needed is that unless people come to know about the person’s iman, they would remain unable to interact with him or her in the same way as they do with Muslims. (Qurtubi)
    Earlier in the verse, by saying: … (a believing man from the House of the Pharaoh), it is virtually demonstrated that the believer, in his ensuing dialogue with Pharaoh and his people, invited them toward truth and faith as well as restrained them from killing Sayyidna Musa (Moses). [1]

    • mbplee

      Islam condones hypocrisy.

  60. nisar akhtar

    Quran (2:225) : Allah does not impose blame upon you for what is unintentional in your oaths, but He imposes blame upon you for what your hearts have earned. And Allah is Forgiving and Forbearing.

    Explanation: Ma’arifulul-Qur’an – Maulana Muhammad Shaffi

    The above verse has been cited by critics that it allows husband and wife to lie to each other all the time. This is false. The verse is only speaking about those who make ‘oaths’ unintentionally without thinking about what they were saying. The following commentators of the Quran will elaborate further.
    The verse warns those who swear in the name of Allah that they will not do some virtuous deeds or that they will not effect a compromise between two groups. The verse reminds them that by this behavior they using the name of Allah as barrier against the good deeds, which is severe violation of the Sanctity of the name of Allah, and they must avoid it in any case.
    Note:
    The laghw or ineffectual oath has two meanings:
    (i) In the first case it means a false oath sworn without volition over something in the past, or it could have been sworn with volition while the oath-taker considers it to be true in his supposition. For example, guided by his information and supposition, one needs up declaration on oath that a certain person has arrived while that person had not arrived in reality. Similarly, if someone swears on oath for something in the future unintentionally, while he has actually wanting to say something else, but the words of oath come out of his lips mistakenly, this type of oath falls in this category. All these three types are not act of sin and that is why they called laghw or ineffectual. This act will not reprehensible in the Hereafter (Akhirah). As compared to this the oath which has been declared reprehensible is the one that has been uttered intentionally knowing it to be false. This is known as ghamus (perjury), and is an act of sin, but according to the Hanafiyyah, it does not require kafarah or expiation. Therefore laghw, in the sense explained earlier, involves no kaffarah more obviously, (because it is not a sinful act). The verse under discussion exclusively takes up these two categories that carry no kaffarah.
    (ii) Laghw also means that which has no kaffarah. It will becalled as laghw because it does not entail the liability of kaffarah in this world. Given this meaning, the word, laghw is inclusive of ghamus, which being an act of sin, however, does not require kaffarah. As compared to this, the oath that requires kaffarah is called mun’aqidah (that which is established, confirmed: fait accompli). For instance, if someone intentionally declares on oath to the effect that he or she would not perform a certain act, then, acting contrarily requires kaffarah. (Bayan al-Quran). [1]

    Illuminating Discourses on the Noble Quran – Tafseer Anwarul Bayan – Shaykh Ashiq Ilahi Madni

    THE LAWS AND TYPE OF OATHS
    Oaths are of there types: The first, called ‘Ghamus’, occurs when a person takes a false oath regarding an action of the past e.g. He swears that he had done a certain action wheras he did not, or vice versa. The Holy Prophet says in a narration of Bukhari, ‘Major sins are polytheism (shirk), disobedience to parents, murder and the ghamus oath’ [Mishkatul Masabih, p17]. The word ghamus is derived from the root word ‘ghams’ which means the complete merging of one thing into another. Certain scholars explain that this particular term is used because such a false oath will cause a person to be submerged in Hell. The second type of oath, called ‘Mun’aqida’, is when a person takes an oath concerning some future action e.eg. he swears that he will do a certain action, or will do do some action. By breaking such an oath, expeditaion (kaffara) will be compulsory (wajib), as is mentioned in Surah Maida. The details regarding the expiation (kaffara) will InShaa-Allah be mentioned there. The third type is when a person takes an oath concerning a past action, being convinced of it truth, whereas it never occurred. This is called ‘Laghw’ (futile oath). The above verse makes reference to this type of oath regarding which a person will not be answerable. According to Sayyidna Aysha … the futile oath is that which is used in common dialogue e.g. ‘Wallah’ (words which are not intended as oaths but resemble them). [Bukhari v.2, p986]
    The verse concludes with the statement that Allah is most Forgiving and Clement since He will not require a person to render any account for these unintentional utterances. [2]

    Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi – Tafhim al-Qur’an – The Meaning of the Qur’an

    243 We learn from authentic Traditions that if anyone takes a thoughtless oath to do or not to do a thing and afterwards realizes that fairness demands its abrogation, he should abrogate it and expiate for it. The expiation for breaking an oath is the feeding of ten needy persons or clothing them or the liberation of a slave. If one cannot afford this, he must observe fast for three days. (Please see Al-Ma’idah, V : 89).
    244There is neither expiation nor any punishment for those oaths that one utters unawares as a by word. [3]

    • mbplee

      The above allows Muslims to lie without any conscience.

  61. nisar akhtar

    Quran (3:54):And the disbelievers planned, but Allah planned. And Allah is the best of planners.

    EXPLANATION: The historical background for the verse is that the Jews ‘planned’ evil in order to get Jesus arrested and crucified. And Allah in the verse says as they planned evil, so too Allah planned to thwart their wicked plan. Christian missionaries have an issue with the words used for both the Jews and Allah. They prefer to translate this way:

    “and [they] deceived and Allah deceived and Allah is the best of deceivers”

    The above translation does not exist. It is only made up by crazy deluded missionaries in order to lead people astray. Arabic word(s) makr, Makara can be used negatively and for good. So when the Jews planned to get Jesus arrested and crucified, that was evil, whereas when Allah thwarted their evil plan by saving Jesus, this was good. So, the claim by missionaries that Allah is a deceiver for helping one of the Prophet’s from slaughter at the hands of evil, wicked people, these claims have no bearing on the passage historically.

    Islamic scholar, Maulana Muhammad Shaffi mentions in his commentary on the verse that Allah’s planning involved no deception:

    “In these verses the miraculous event of the Ascension of Sayyidna Isa (Jesus Christ) has been mentioned. ‘And they made a move’ refers to the evil designs of the Jews who planned to arrest him and to get him crucified.
    The next sentence i.e., ‘and Allah made a move’ refers to the plan designed by Allah Almighty to save his Prophet Isa (Jesus) from their ill designs.
    Let us begin with … translated as ‘and Allah is the best of those who make moves’. The word, makr in Arabic denotes a subtle and secret move or plan. If this is for a good purpose, it is good; and if this is for a bad purpose, it is bad. It is why the restriction of saiyy (… : evil) was placed with makr (…: move, plan) in: … (And evil plan besets none but its perpetrator – 35:43).” [1]

    Maulana Muhammad Shaffi goes further on the word (‘Makr’) in volume 4 and writes:

    “The word … (Makr) used in verse 21:… (say, ‘Allah is more swift in making plans’) means secret plan or move that could be good or bad. Whenever this word has become a part of the local language, care should be taken that it is not rendered as deception’. … It is obvious that Allah Ta’ala is free from it. The warning given in verse 23: … (your rebellion is, in fact, against your own-selves) tells us that the curse of injustice is certain and, much before matters are settled in the hereafter, one who is guilty of doing injustice must suffer from its evil consequences in this world as well. The Holy Prophet has said: ‘Allah Ta’ala hastens to repay mercy shown to relatives and favour done to people (whereby its blessings start becoming visible in this world, much before the Hereafter). And He hastens to repay injustices done and relationships severed (in that its consequences have to be faced within the life of this world). (reported by Tirmidhi and Ibn Majah with a hasan chain of narrators)
    In another Hadith narrated by Sayyidah A’ishah…, the Holy Prophet said, ‘there are three sins the curse whereof falls on the sinner himself: Injustice, breach of trust and deception.’ (Reported by Abu ash-Shaykh and Ibn Marduwayh in Tafsir) (See Mazhari). [2]

    Glossary Of Islamic Terms: English–Arabic – Anwer Mahmoud Zanaty:

    MAKR
    Has two meanings:
    1. Plotting or planning evil intent.
    2. Planning for a good purpose: ‘Wa Makaru wa Makara Allah wa’LLahu Khairul Makereen’ (Surah Aali Imran 3:54. They planned and Allah planned and Allah is the best of planners’.
    Makara = they plotted. Makara = He planned.
    Makkar = plotter.
    Makereen = plotters. [4]

    The meaning of the Noble Qur’an – Abdullah Yusuf Ali

    6078: Makara is applied both to plotting with an evil purpose and planning with a good purpose. Cf. 3:54, and 0. 392 ‘And the unbelievers plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah.’ [5]

    The Message of The Quran – Muhammad Asad

    44 Lit., they schemed’ – here referring to those among the Jews who refused to acknowledge Jesus as a prophet and tried to destroy him. [6]

    • mbplee

      “Allah is the best of deceivers” That says it all. That is the culture of Islam.

  62. nisar akhtar

    mbplee::: Now let me teach you what is ” Taqiyya “……Taqiyya IS is SHIA(IRAN) concept and writen in their own books………………..Taqiyya is not mention in any QURANIC VERSE OR HADITH…PERIOD…………………. SHIA HIDE THEIR FAITH FROM SUNNI MUSLIMS…………..WHY?

    Chrsitna Missionaries pinned this word ” Taqiyya ” to sunnis as part of their propaganda

    REAL MEANING OF Taqiyya? ( FOR SHIA HIDING THEIR BELIEFS IS PART OF THEIR RELIGION EITHER THEY PERSECUTED OR NOT) THEY WILL NOT EVEN TELL ABOUT THEIR FAITH EVEN TO A CHRISTIAN LIVING IN USA)

    SUPPORTED shia references.

    In a narration, Shia falsely attribut to the 8th Shia Imam, Ali bin Musa, he said: “The one who is not wari (pious) has no religion and the one who does not practice Taqiyyah has no Iman ( deep faith).” So he was asked, “O grandson of the Messenger, until when (is one required to practice Taqiyyah)?” He replied, “Until a certain day (i.e. the day Imam Mahdi appears). Whoever does not practice Taqiyyah before the appearance of Imam Mahdi, is not one of us.” (Kashf al-Ghummah Al-Ardabili, pg. 341).

    “Nine tenths (90%) of religion (Shiism) is Taqiyya (dissimulation), hence one who does not dissimulate has no religion.” (Al-Kafi vol.9 p.110)

    “He who conceals his religion has saved it, and he who makes it public has destroyed it.” “A believer who does not practice Taqiyya is like a body without a head.” (Tafseer al-Askari)

    “Mix with them (i.e. non-Shia) externally, but oppose them internally.” (Al-Kafi vol.9 p.116) “Taqiyya is necessary and the one who abandons it is excluded from the religion (of the Shia).” (Ehsan-ul-Fatawa Fi Shaeah-e-Aqa’id, p. 26)

    “The most beloved thing on the surface of Earth is Taqiyya.” (Usul Kafi, Part 2. Kitab Imaan wal Kufr, Bab Taqiyyah, Line 12, Riwayah 4, page 217, New Iranian Edition)

    “The Imam has mentioned that Taqiyya is the coolness of his eyes.” (Usul Kafi, Part 2, Kitab Imaan wal Kufr, line1, Riwayah 14, page 217, new Iranian Edition].

    • mbplee

      All Muslims practice Tayiqqa, as it is a part of their culture to lie. It comes from Islamic culture.

      • Jacob

        Only an ignorant bigot would make such a false generalisation by declaring that “All Muslims practice Tayiqqa”. That conment right there reveals a lot about the type of person you are. There is no where in the Quran that tells 1.6 billion Muslims to practice taqqiya. As a Muslim I follow the Quran, I don’t follow the behaviour of radical Islamists or the or other peoples misinterpretion or Islamic tradition. So who are you to accuse me and my family of practicing taqqiya. The only taqqiya I see is YOURS with your blatant generalisations, false accusations, misrepresentations and lies.

      • mbplee

        Jacob: The Pot calls the Kettle Black. Even now, you are spouting Taqiyya. Shame! Shame! Shame!

      • mbplee

        Jacob, Have you ever said, “Islam means Peace? or There is Freedom in Islam? or Islam is a Religion of Peace of Islam is Tolerant of other Religions.” You are practicing Taqiyya. Furthermore:

        Sunni view

        The Sunni view is that Shi’a doctrine of taqiyya isn’t in accordance with its acceptable use. They assert that Shi’as have been using taqiyya as a tool of deception, not to save their own lives, but to cause strife for the Sunnis and their political leadership (which was resented by Shi’as) and for conspiratorial implantation of their own minority faith among the mainstream Muslim faith. [1]

        “Sunni scholars have a more equivocal take. Some reject taqiyya as unacceptable hypocrisy and evidence of cowardice: Muslims shouldn’t fear other humans, only Allah. Others argue that concealment is warranted under life-threatening circumstances.” [2]

        However, Professor Sami Makarem, a professor of Islamic studies in his book, al-Taqiyya fi al-Os;a, (Taqiyya in Islam), states unequivocally:

        “Taqiyya is of fundamental importance in Islam. Nearly every Islamic sect has agreed to it and practices it…..Indeed, we can go so far as to say that mainstream Islam practices taqiyya, and that those few sects that do not practice it(taqiyya) are aberrant, diverging from the mainstream.” [2]

        “The Tabari recommends that Muslims feign goodwill towards infidels not when the latter are trying to forcefully convert them, but because they (kafir) are natural enemies, at least from a Muslim perspective. So, far from being a question of preserving their faith, taqiyya is to be practised when Muslims are in the minority and living among majority infidels—precisely the scenario we have today in the West. [2]

        This clearly states that Taqiyya is a part of the cultural make up of Muslims and if we, in the west, do not recognise this fact, it will be to our own peril.

        Either you do not understand Taqiyya or Your are propagating Taqiyya.

        Here is a URL that will lead you to 43 other lies that Muslims use:

        https://islamreview.com/islamic-lies-myths/

  63. nisar akhtar

    mbplee::: Taqiyya and Kitman are part of Judaeo-Christian Belief………….
    ……………………………..DID JESUS LIED?
    “Go to the feast yourselves; I am not going up to this feast, for my time has not yet fully come.” So saying, he remained in Galilee. But after his brothers had gone up to the feast, then he also went up, not publicly but in private.” – John 7:8-10

    ……………………….Peter Deceives (Taqiyya) – Rejects Jesus
    66 While Peter was below in the courtyard, one of the servant girls of the high priest came by.
    67 When she saw Peter warming himself, she looked closely at him. “You also were with that Nazarene, Jesus,” she said.
    68 But he denied it. “I don’t know or understand what you’re talking about,” he said, and went out into the entryway.
    69 When the servant girl saw him there, she said again to those standing around, “This fellow is one of them.” 70 Again he denied it. After a little while, those standing near said to Peter, “Surely you are one of them, for you are a Galilean.”
    71 He began to call down curses, and he swore to them, “I don’t know this man you’re talking about.” – Mark 14:66:71

    …………………………1 Corinthians 9: Apostle Paul’s Missionary Deception (Taqiyya)!
    Paul admits during his ministry, preaching his Paulinism (Christianity of today), he falsely acted in order to draw people to his faith. In the following passage he openly confesses that he used deception for conversion:

    “Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. I do it all for the sake of the gospel, that I may share with them in its blessings.” – 1 Corinthians 9:19-23

    Paul is confesses here that he acted as a Jew in order to convert them to his faith. He even acted as a pagan so that he can lure them to his religion. The above verse shows that Paul would go in great lengths to spread his religion by deception. Let’s see now what the experts have to say on the above passage.

    ……………………………………………The Bible And Taqiyya
    Is it ever right to lie? In the following passage, we have a prostitute, Rahab, telling a straight lie to the King’s officers. The King’s officers were looking for Joshua’s spies, and instead of directing them to the right place, she deceived them.

    2 The king of Jericho was told, “Look! Some of the Israelites have come here tonight to spy out the land.” 3 So the king of Jericho sent this message to Rahab: “Bring out the men who came to you and entered your house, because they have come to spy out the whole land.” 4 But the woman had taken the two men and hidden them. She said, “Yes, the men came to me, but I did not know where they had come from. 5 At dusk, when it was time to close the city gate, the men left. I don’t know which way they went. Go after them quickly. You may catch up with them.” 6 (But she had taken them up to the roof and hidden them under the stalks of flax she had laid out on the roof.) 7 So the men set out in pursuit of the spies on the road that leads to the fords of the Jordan, and as soon as the pursuers had gone out, the gate was shut. – Joshua 2:2-7

    ………………………………………………………The Bible And Taqiyya

    In Exodus 3:22, YHWH encourages Hebrew women to break the 8th commandment by telling them to ‘borrow’ (which is substitute for steal) gold, silver and other things, before they flee out of Egypt.

    Some of the translations have replaced the word ‘borrow’ to ‘ask’, so to make it seem that the verse does not sanction deception. There is a problem with this kind of interpretation. If we were to agree that the word ‘ask’ should be there instead of ‘borrow’, then why further down the verse is the word ‘plunder’ there? If there was no deception used here, why does one need to steal? If the Hebrews asked for gold, silver and were given it voluntarily so they can keep it, then the verse does not make sense to state you can ‘plunder’ from the Egyptians later in the verse. So, the correct translations is that they borrowed and later deceptively stole from them.

    Different Translations:

    Webster’s Bible Translation (WBT)

    But every woman shall borrow of her neighbor, and of her that dwelleth in her house, jewels of silver, and jewels of gold, and raiment: and ye shall put them upon your sons, and upon your daughters: and ye shall spoil the Egyptians.

    Modern English Version (MEV)

    22 But every woman will borrow of her neighbor, and of her that sojourns in her house, articles of silver, and articles of gold, and clothing, and you will put them on your sons, and on your daughters—in this way you will plunder the Egyptians.”

    Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)

    22 But every isha shall borrow of her neighbor, and of her that sojourneth in her bais, jewels of kesef, and jewels of zahav, and clothing; and ye shall put them upon your banim, and upon your banot; so ye shall plunder the Egyptians.

    Reading the above translations is another clear evidence that the Bible does sanction deception. The Bible-commentators also agree, and say that God can do anything He wants, since He is above the Law.

  64. nisar akhtar

    mbplee::: Taqiyya and Kitman are part of Judaeo-Christian Belief………….
    The Bible And Taqiyya
    In the following passage, Elisha and YHWH worked together on a project in which Elisha, told the enemy troops, “This is not the way and this is not the city”, but in fact it was the city they intended to go. However, because of Elisha’s prayer, asking God to blind the troops, they found themselves going somewhere else when they never wanted to be. What is striking in this story is that YHWH does not rebuke or correct Elisha the Prophet for lying to the enemies.

    18 As the enemy came down toward him, Elisha prayed to the Lord, “Strike this army with blindness.” So he struck them with blindness, as Elisha had asked.
    19 Elisha told them, “This is not the road and this is not the city. Follow me, and I will lead you to the man you are looking for.” And he led them to Samaria.
    20 After they entered the city, Elisha said, “Lord, open the eyes of these men so they can see.” Then the Lord opened their eyes and they looked, and there they were, inside Samaria. 2 Kings 6:18-20

    Here, God appeared to support Elisha in his deception and He, YHWH did not rebuke him for lying.

    The Bible And Taqiyya
    :

    17 Abiathar’s son Jonathan and Zadok’s son Ahimaaz were waiting at the spring of Enrogel, on the outskirts of Jerusalem, because they did not dare be seen entering the city. A servant woman would regularly go and tell them what was happening, and then they would go and tell King David. 18 But one day a boy happened to see them, and he told Absalom; so they hurried off to hide in the house of a certain man in Bahurim. He had a well near his house, and they got down in it. 19 The man’s wife took a covering, spread it over the opening of the well and scattered grain over it, so that no one would notice anything. 20 Absalom’s officials came to the house and asked the woman, “Where are Ahimaaz and Jonathan?” “They crossed the river,” she answered. The men looked for them but could not find them, and so they returned to Jerusalem. 21 After they left, Ahimaaz and Jonathan came up out of the well and went and reported to King David. – 2 Samuel 17:17-20

    The above passage shows that the spy for David deceived Absalom’s men. Lying to an enemy in war is acceptable in the Bible. YHWH nor David rebukes the servant-woman for lying. Hence, this is another instance where deceiving the enemy by lying to them is permissible.
    Thomas Coke Commentary on the Holy Bible
    2 Samuel 17:20. They be gone over the brook of water— They passed away quickly. Houbigant. According to Josephus and the Vulgate, the meaning is, that they just drank a little water and hasted forward. Note; (1.) The weakest instruments in God’s hand can answer the greatest purposes. (2.) A lie, though told to serve a good cause, ceases not therefore to be a bad thing. [1]

    • mbplee

      NOTE: I will only reply to civilised respectful questions. I will delete insulting posts.

  65. mbplee

    The above is a mythical story and not a lesson in morality. It is in no way the same as:

    “There are several forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, the best known being taqiyya. These circumstances are typically those that “advance the cause of Islam” – in some cases “by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them. “”

  66. Fahad

    @ mbplee: The Quran is a miracle book which reads you before you read it. Your intention while reading Gods book is wrong, thus, the guidance you receive from God will actually lead you astray. In the end, we need God and depend on him in this life and hereafter so why not just read with pure intention of guidance and seeking the truth and you shall see the truth. God wants us to believe in him and his final messenger so we can prosper and He is the most Merciful and Most Compassionate. Have a great day!

    • mbplee

      Fahad, Firstly it is impossible for the Quran to have been written by Allah. It was written by Muhammad and his followers and is thus a MAN”s manuscript. Above all it is based on ancient mythology of ancient peoples. So it is Mythology. No one can prove otherwise in the past 1400 years. Faith based on mythology is mythology.

  67. Jacob

    You seem to have conveniently ignored all the verses from the Quran that instruct Muslims to respect and honor Jews and Christians and acknowledge Christianity and Judaism as holy faiths as seen in verse 3:3, 3:84 etc..

    Instead you have falsely declared that the Quran deems all Jews and Christians as infidels. This was solely YOUR own personal opinion. Your failure to truthfully analyse, assess and depict information regarding the Quran reveals that you have an ulterior motive and a propogandist agenda.

    • mbplee

      Jacob: Quran 3:3 He hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture with truth, confirming that which was (revealed) before it, even as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel

      Quran 3:84 Pickthall : Say (O Muhammad): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and that which was vouchsafed unto Moses and Jesus and the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered.

      Jacob, so what? Muhammad plagiarised from the Bible and the Torah. No where in the above paragraphs do I detect any RESPECT or Humiliation to those Holy Books. Abraham, Ishmael, Jacob, Moses were all mythical figures of ancient civilisations. I stress, religions based on myths must be myths.

    • mbplee

      Personal Opinion? Jacob, are you so ignorant of the Quran?

      Mohsin Khan: Say (O Muhammad SAW to the people of the Scripture): “Shall I inform you of something worse than that, regarding the recompense from Allah: those (Jews) who incurred the Curse of Allah and His Wrath, those of whom (some) He transformed into monkeys and swines, those who worshipped Taghut (false deities); such are worse in rank (on the Day of Resurrection in the Hell­fire), and far more astray from the Right Path (in the life of this world).”

  68. Jacob

    I love the fact Jaal said “The context you preface and your interpretations is not found in mainstream of Islam and you and the extremist share a perverted view of Islam only due to your misunderstanding and lazy interpenetration.” He has echoed my views exactly. I have been saying this all along that radical Islamists and Islamophobes both share the exact same prejudice bigoted mentality, same intolerance towards diversity and difference in belief as well as the same misinterpretion of the Quran. So glad that another Muslim has also recognised this fact. How tragic that the author is a complete uncomprehending brick wall…In 2014 Jaal had called you out on the fact that your accusations and generalizations “are not part of mainstream Islam” and yet in 2017 you have still continued to regurgitate the same lies that are not part of mainstream Islam. You still carry on about your “taqqiya” allegation and in doing so you have shown complete disregard for what Jaal said about your deceitful conduct. It looks like you haven’t learnt anything. You seem hell bent on spreading lies. At least you proved Jaal right. But I’m not least bit surprised because I deal with bigots like you everyday and your behaviour is as typical as they come. I couldn’t care less whether you approve this comment or not because it’s intended for your ears only. Not that you’re capable of comprehending it but stating the truth and exposing corrupt and deceitful behaviour is part of my nature. Whether you acknowledge it or not , it’s what I do because I refuse to ever turn a blind eye to such malicious, dishonest behaviour that falsely accuses people based on your own stupidity.

    • mbplee

      Jacob, thank you for your extensive reply. I have already provided you with a more comprehensive discussion on the topic of “TAQIYYA” in my previous reply. Unfortunately you seem to be immune to other opinions on the topic. All my replies are based on either Islamic sources or Muslim sources and never on my personal opinion. It is not I who does not comprehend the truth but you and that is why Muslims are:
      (1) Retarded intellectually and scientifically and industrially.
      (2) Never seek the truth such as was the Quran written by Allah or by Muhammad and his followers?
      (3) Was Islam based on the mythology of other ancient civilisations?
      (4) Why are Muslims so intent on Jihad and martyrdom over the past 1400 years?
      (5) Is the Quran a manual of exclusion and hatred? and Why?
      (6) How many passages can you find in the Quran that extols compassion and love?
      (7) Did you know that there are 109 verses of Violence, and 164 verses of Jihad in the Quran? Remove them and you do not have a Quran.
      (8) Do you believe that if Allah Exists that he would hate the whole un-Islamic world and sin them all in Hell? Would you follow an Allah who was so cruel and unforgiving to non-Muslims?
      (9) Search your conscience. Search the scientific truth.

  69. Saba Khan

    You are an evil person, spreading evil and that’s where extremism is born in people like you. Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance which you have misconstrued by your evil mindset.

    • mbplee

      SabaKhan, how dare you call anyone evil when you are simply a gullible bigoted Islam ignorant person? I have scanned the Quran and I have found 109 verses of VIOLENCE, and 164 verses related to Islamic JIHAD. I have not found any verses advocating PEACE or TOLERANCE. So whose mindset is misguided? I know the Quran and the Ahadith well and I quote from it in most of my discourse. I have studied the origins of Islam and the life of Muhammad and the history of Islam for the past 15 years and I know it better than you. When you are able to quote Chapter and verse from the Quran to support your claims I will read it with the utmost care but I bet you will not be able to do so because it is not there.
      If you are so ignorant of Islam I suggest that you spend more time studying it with an open mind and ask question of why and how and when. You may be surprised how gullible you have been so far. Try to prove that Allah wrote the Quran instead of Muhammad and his followers. Try to prove that Allah is not simply an evolution from ancient people’s myths and folklore.

      • Ruba Elgarhy

        Because of so many scientific facts that could never have been discovered at that time
        Would you mind your own business? We’re very happy here and btw Allah is very very compassionate and forgiving beyond your imagination. You’re just too dumb to even understand the true meaning of Islam
        And BTW Prophet Mohammed couldn’t read OR write. How could he have written this wondrous text of literature?? You’d never understand unless you know the true meanings of Quran and speak Arabic

      • mbplee

        RubaElgarhy, you are correct in every way:

        Because of so many scientific facts that could never have been discovered at that time

        That is why even Allah did not have the correct answers when he wrote the Quran. this is why there are so many scientific inaccuracies in the Quran. It is claimed that Mohammed was illiterate, but that does not mean he is incapable of dictating to scribes to write on his behalf. Or are you suggesting that Allah wrote the Quran?
        Perhaps if you did not rely so much on Arabic (language), you would not be so locked into the psyche of the 7th century as most Muslim seem to be? We are now in the 21st century with up to date research material to inform us of the mythology of the 7th century. Don’t stay trapped in the 7th century mentality.

      • Ruba Elgarhy

        Oh and tell me the so-called verses of violence?
        I’ve read the Quran hundreds of times myself in its original language, Arabic
        You really don’t even know what jihad means, yet claim to be an expert!
        Ignorance level: 1000000
        Jihad in Arabic means “the struggle.” It has multiple meanings in Islam
        1- you’re performing jihad when shaytan is telling you to do a sin but your conscience won’t let you and you’re in a struggle between your desires and your conscience
        2- you’re performing jihad when you’re fighting back an army trying to take control of your land
        3- you’re performing jihad when it’s fagr and you’re too lazy to get up to pray but eventually you do to please Allah

        **”you” here is meant to be directed to Muslims, not you specifically, since you don’t have a clue about jihad anyway

      • mbplee

        RubaElgarhy, I will reply specifically on violence here.

        Violence

        Does the Quran really contain over a hundred verses promoting violence?

        The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called ‘hypocrites’ and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.
        Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, most verses of violence in the Quran are open-ended, meaning that they are not necessarily restrained by historical context contained in the surrounding text (although many Muslims choose to think of them that way). They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subject to interpretation as anything else in the Quran.

        The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God. Most contemporary Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book’s call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Islam apologists cater to these preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally don’t stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.

        Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad’s own martial legacy, along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran, have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history.
        Quran

        Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing… but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)” (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The verse prior to this (190) refers to “fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you” leading some to claim that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes and families. The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, however, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). Verse 190 thus means to fight those who offer resistance to Allah’s rule (ie. Muslim conquest). The use of the word “persecution” by some Muslim translators is disingenuous – the actual Arabic words for persecution (idtihad) – and oppression are not used instead of fitna. Fitna can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. A strict translation is ‘sedition,’ meaning rebellion against authority (the authority being Allah). This is certainly what is meant in this context since the violence is explicitly commissioned “until religion is for Allah” – ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief. [Editor’s note: these notes have been modified slightly after a critic misinterpreted our language. Verse 193 plainly says that ‘fighting’ is sanctioned even if the fitna ‘ceases’. This is about religious order, not real persecution.]

        Quran (2:244) – “Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things.”

        Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.” Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

        Quran (3:56) – “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”

        Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”. This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be ‘joining companions to Allah’).

        Quran (4:74) – “Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.” The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today’s suicide bombers.

        Quran (4:76) – “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…”

        Quran (4:89) – “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”

        Quran (4:95) – “Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward ” This passage criticizes “peaceful” Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah’s eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that “Jihad” doesn’t mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is this Arabic word (mujahiduna) used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man’s protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad, which would not make sense if it meant an internal struggle).

        Quran (4:104) – “And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain…” Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?

        Quran (5:33) – “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement”

        Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them” No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle. The targets of violence are “those who disbelieve” – further defined in the next verse (13) as “defy and disobey Allah.” Nothing is said about self-defense. In fact, the verses in sura 8 were narrated shortly after a battle provoked by Muhammad, who had been trying to attack a lightly-armed caravan to steal goods belonging to other people.

        Quran (8:15) – “O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey’s end.”

        Quran (8:39) – “And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah” Some translations interpret “fitna” as “persecution”, but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for 2:193). The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj. Other Muslims were allowed to travel there – just not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, as it was Muhammad’s intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until “religion is only for Allah”, meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition. According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that “Allah must have no rivals.”

        Quran (8:57) – “If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember.”

        Quran (8:67) – “It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land…”

        Quran (8:59-60) – “And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah’s Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy.” As Ibn Kathir puts it in his tafsir on this passage, “Allah commands Muslims to prepare for war against disbelievers, as much as possible, according to affordability and availability.”

        Quran (8:65) – “O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight…”

        Quran (9:5) – “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.” According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence at the time of Muhammad was to convert to Islam: prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion’s Five Pillars. The popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack. Had they been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months). The historical context is Mecca after the idolaters were subjugated by Muhammad and posed no threat. Once the Muslims had power, they violently evicted those unbelievers who would not convert.

        [Note: The verse says to fight unbelievers “wherever you find them”. Even if the context is a time of battle (which it was not) the reading appears to sanction attacks against those “unbelievers” who are not on the battlefield. In 2016, the Islamic State referred to this verse in urging the faithful to commit terror attacks: Allah did not only command the ‘fighting’ of disbelievers, as if to say He only wants us to conduct frontline operations against them. Rather, He has also ordered that they be slain wherever they may be – on or off the battlefield. (source)]

        Quran (9:14) – “Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people.” Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even “heals” the hearts of Muslims.

        Quran (9:20) – “Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah’s way are of much greater worth in Allah’s sight. These are they who are triumphant.” The Arabic word interpreted as “striving” in this verse is the same root as “Jihad”. The context is obviously holy war.

        Quran (9:29) – “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” “People of the Book” refers to Christians and Jews. According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status. Verse 9:33 tells Muslims that Allah has charted them to make Islam “superior over all religions.” This chapter was one of the final “revelations” from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad’s companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.

        Quran (9:30) – “And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!”

        Quran (9:38-39) – “O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place.” This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.

        Quran (9:41) – “Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew.” See also the verse that follows (9:42) – “If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them” This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and – in this case – on Christian soil, according to the historians).

        Quran (9:73) – “O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.” Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that unbelievers are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter. It explains why today’s devout Muslims generally have little regard for those outside the faith. The inclusion of “hypocrites” (non-practicing) within the verse also contradicts the apologist’s defense that the targets of hate and hostility are wartime foes, since there was never an opposing army made up of non-religious Muslims in Muhammad’s time. (See also Games Muslims Play: Terrorists Can’t Be Muslim Because They Kill Muslims for the role this verse plays in Islam’s perpetual internal conflicts).

        Quran (9:88) – “But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper.”

        Quran (9:111) – “Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.” How does the Quran define a true believer?

        Quran (9:123) – “O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.”

        Quran (17:16) – “And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction.” Note that the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is “utter destruction.” (Before ordering the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an invitation to Islam).

        Quran (18:65-81) – This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion. The story (which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source) tells of Moses encountering a man with “special knowledge” who does things which don’t seem to make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later explanation. One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (74). However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would “grieve” his parents by “disobedience and ingratitude.” He was killed so that Allah could provide them a ‘better’ son. [Note: This parable along with verse 58:22 is a major reason that honor killing is sanctioned by Sharia. Reliance of the Traveler (Umdat al-Saliq) says that punishment for murder is not applicable when a parent or grandparent kills their offspring (o.1.12).]

        Quran (21:44) – “We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?”

        Quran (25:52) – “Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness with it.” – The root for Jihad is used twice in this verse – although it may not have been referring to Holy War when narrated, since it was prior to the hijra at Mecca. The “it” at the end is thought to mean the Quran. Thus the verse may have originally meant a non-violent resistance to the ‘unbelievers.’ Obviously, this changed with the hijra. ‘Jihad’ after this is almost exclusively within a violent context.

        Quran (33:60-62) – “If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter.” This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered “merciless” and “horrible murder” in other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to “fight in the way of Allah” (3:167) and hence don’t act as Muslims should), those with “diseased hearts” (which include Jews and Christians 5:51-52), and “alarmists” or “agitators who include those who merely speak out against Islam, according to Muhammad’s biographers. It is worth noting that the victims are to be sought out by Muslims, which is what today’s terrorists do. If this passage is meant merely to apply to the city of Medina, then it is unclear why it is included in Allah’s eternal word to Muslim generations.

        Quran (47:3-4) – “Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord… So, when you meet (fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)… If it had been Allah’s Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost.” Those who reject Allah are to be killed in Jihad. The wounded are to be held captive for ransom. The only reason Allah doesn’t do the dirty work himself is to to test the faithfulness of Muslims. Those who kill pass the test.

        Quran (47:35) – “Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: “have the upper hand”) for Allah is with you,”

        Quran (48:17) – “There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom.” Contemporary apologists sometimes claim that Jihad means ‘spiritual struggle.’ If so, then why are the blind, lame and sick exempted? This verse also says that those who do not fight will suffer torment in hell.

        Quran (48:29) – “Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves” Islam is not about treating everyone equally. This verse tells Muslims that there are two very distinct standards that are applied based on religious status. Also the word used for ‘hard’ or ‘ruthless’ in this verse shares the same root as the word translated as ‘painful’ or severe’ to describe Hell in over 25 other verses including 65:10, 40:46 and 50:26..

        Quran (61:4) – “Surely Allah loves those who fight in His cause” Religion of Peace, indeed! The verse explicitly refers to “rows” or “battle array,” meaning that it is speaking of physical conflict. This is followed by (61:9), which defines the “cause”: “He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist.” (See next verse, below). Infidels who resist Islamic rule are to be fought.

        Quran (61:10-12) – “O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a commerce that will save you from a painful torment. That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know! (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwelling in Gardens of’Adn- Eternity [‘Adn(Edn) Paradise], that is indeed the great success.” This verse refers to physical battle in order to make Islam victorious over other religions (see verse 9). It uses the Arabic root for the word Jihad.

        Quran (66:9) – “O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey’s end.” The root word of “Jihad” is used again here. The context is clearly holy war, and the scope of violence is broadened to include “hypocrites” – those who call themselves Muslims but do not act as such. Other verses calling Muslims to Jihad can be found here at AnsweringIslam.org
        Hadith and Sira

        Sahih Bukhari (52:177) – Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”

        Sahih Bukhari (52:256) – The Prophet… was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, “They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans).” In this command, Muhammad establishes that it is permissible to kill non-combatants in the process of killing a perceived enemy. This provides justification for the many Islamic terror bombings.

        Sahih Bukhari (52:65) – The Prophet said, ‘He who fights that Allah’s Word (Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah’s Cause. Muhammad’s words are the basis for offensive Jihad – spreading Islam by force. This is how it was understood by his companions, and by the terrorists of today. (See also Sahih Bukhari 3:125)

        Sahih Bukhari (52:220) – Allah’s Apostle said… ‘I have been made victorious with terror’

        Sahih Bukhari (52:44) – A man came to Allah’s Apostle and said, “Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad (in reward).” He replied, “I do not find such a deed.”

        Abu Dawud (14:2526) – The Prophet said, Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, “There is no god but Allah” and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet…

        Abu Dawud (14:2527) – The Prophet said: Striving in the path of Allah (jihad) is incumbent on you along with every ruler, whether he is pious or impious

        Sahih Muslim (1:33) – the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah

        Sahih Bukhari (8:387) – Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally.”

        Sahih Muslim (1:30) – “The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah.”

        Sahih Bukhari (52:73) – “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords’.”

        Sahih Bukhari (11:626) – [Muhammad said:] “I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those, who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes.”

        Sahih Muslim (1:149) – “Abu Dharr reported: I said: Messenger of Allah, which of the deeds is the best? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause…”

        Sahih Muslim (20:4645) – “…He (the Messenger of Allah) did that and said: There is another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one hundred (higher), and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to the height of the heaven from the earth. He (Abu Sa’id) said: What is that act? He replied: Jihad in the way of Allah! Jihad in the way of Allah!”

        Sahih Muslim (20:4696) – “the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: ‘One who died but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or determination) for Jihad died the death of a hypocrite.'”

        Sahih Muslim (19:4321-4323) – Three separate hadith in which Muhammad shrugs over the news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against unbelievers. His response: “They are of them (meaning the enemy).”

        Sahih Muslim (19:4294) – “Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war… When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them… If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them.”

        Sahih Muslim (31:5917) – “Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: ‘Allah’s Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people?’ Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: ‘Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger’.” The pretext for attacking the peaceful farming community of Khaibar was not obvious to the Muslims. Muhammad’s son-in-law Ali asked the prophet of Islam to clarify the reason for their mission to kill, loot and enslave. Muhammad’s reply was straightforward. The people should be fought because they are not Muslim.

        Sahih Muslim (31:5918) – “I will fight them until they are like us.” Ali’s reply to Muhammad, after receiving clarification that the pretext for attacking Khaibar was to convert the people (see above verse).

        Sahih Bukhari 2:35 “The person who participates in (Holy Battles) in Allah’s cause and nothing compels him do so except belief in Allah and His Apostle, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty ( if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise ( if he is killed).”

        Sunan an-Nasa’i (Sahih) “Whoever dies without having fought or thought of fighting, he dies on one of the branches of hypocrisy”

        Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, “Kill any Jew who falls under your power.” Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad’s men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.

        Tabari 9:69 “Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us” The words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam.

        Tabari 17:187 “‘By God, our religion (din) from which we have departed is better and more correct than that which these people follow. Their religion does not stop them from shedding blood, terrifying the roads, and seizing properties.’ And they returned to their former religion.” The words of a group of Christians who had converted to Islam, but realized their error after being shocked by the violence and looting committed in the name of Allah. The price of their decision to return to a religion of peace was that the men were beheaded and the woman and children enslaved by the caliph Ali.

        Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 484: – “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

        Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 990: Cutting off someone’s head while shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’ is not a ‘perversion of Islam’, but a tradition of Islam that began with Muhammad. In this passage, a companion recounts an episode in which he staged a surprise ambush on a settlement: “I leapt upon him and cut off his head and ran in the direction of the camp shouting ‘Allah akbar’ and my two companions did likewise”.

        Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 992: – “Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah.” Muhammad’s instructions to his men prior to a military raid.

        Saifur Rahman, The Sealed Nectar p.227-228 – “Embrace Islam… If you two accept Islam, you will remain in command of your country; but if your refuse my Call, you’ve got to remember that all of your possessions are perishable. My horsemen will appropriate your land, and my Prophethood will assume preponderance over your kingship.” One of several letters from Muhammad to rulers of other countries. The significance is that the recipients were not making war or threatening Muslims. Their subsequent defeat and subjugation by Muhammad’s armies was justified merely on the basis of their unbelief.

        It would be interesting if you can refute these verses from the Quran and Hadith. The verses are part of the fabric of the Quran and Islam. Remove if and you do not have a Quran.

      • mbplee

        RubaElgarhy, Now I will reply to the subject of JIHAD.

        The Philosophy of JIHAD

        It is well documented that initially Muhammad was unsuccessful in trying to increase the numbers of his followers. At the same time he was rejected and spurned not only by Jews and Christians but also by pagan Arab tribes, including the tribe of his family, the Quraish tribe. But, Muhammad quickly learned through his experiences at Medina that by raiding rich trading caravans and kafir villages, looting them, and with the use of force and intimidation, his Islamic followers grew exceeding fast and with the wealth he accumulated and the increase of his followers he became powerful enough to conquer a vast empire. So Muhammad’s philosophies altered drastically from this time onwards. He found it necessary to abrogate the Quran and introduced suitable verses to suit his changing needs, thus The Verse of the Sword verse 9:5. Muhammad now no longer needed to win followers with with sweet patronising platitudes, but he could now set the terms and conditions and demand subservience or annihilation.

        In order to further promote Islam, Muhammad evolved a defensive and offensive tool to instil and indoctrinate his followers into a philosophy of unquestioned devotion to Allah. Muhammad evolved an ingenious and water-tight set of rules that ensured loyalty to his faith, Islam, and that was, “the laws of apostasy.” He also introduced the concept of JIHAD the driving force of Islam. This ensured the success of Islam from Muhammad’s day to this day. Jihad is so important to Muhammad that there are 164 verses in the Koran referring to Jihad and with even more verses in the Hadiths on the same topic. Hence, the importance of understanding the concept of Jihad from the Islamic viewpoint.

        “164 Jihad Holy War Verses in the Koran. I will not quote them here as there is too much to say about Jihad.

        “GLOBAL JIHAD
        Iran leader: Islam to ‘rule the world’
        Urges Muslims to get ready for coming of ‘messiah’

        Posted: January 10, 2006
        1:00 am Eastern

        © 2009 WorldNetDaily.com

        Islam must prepare to rule the world, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told a crowd of theological students in Iran’s holy city of Qom, according to a report.

        “We must believe in the fact that Islam is not confined to geographical borders, ethnic groups and nations. It’s a universal ideology that leads the world to justice,” Ahmadinejad said Jan. 5, according to Mehran Riazaty, a former Iran analyst for the Central Command of the Coalition Forces in Baghdad.

        Ahmadinejad, who has drawn global attention recently for his contention the Holocaust was a “myth,” said: “We don’t shy away from declaring that Islam is ready to rule the world.”

        Riazaty, in a post on the website Regime Change Iran, said the Iranian president emphasized his current theme that the return of the Shiite messiah, the Mahdi, is not far away, and Muslims must prepare for it.
        According to Shiites, the 12th imam disappeared as a child in the year 941. When he returns, they believe, he will reign on earth for seven years, before bringing about a final judgment and the end of the world.

        Ahmadinejad is urging Iranians to prepare for the coming of the Mahdi by turning the country into a mighty and advanced Islamic society and by avoiding the corruption and excesses of the West.
        “We must prepare ourselves to rule the world and the only way to do that is to put forth views on the basis of the Expectation of the Return,” Ahmadinejad said. “If we work on the basis of the Expectation of the Return [of the Mahdi], all the affairs of our nation will be streamlined and the administration of the country will become easier.”

        Riazaty pointed out that Iran’s speaker of parliament, Mehdi Kahrubi, said Saturday that some people working closely with Ahmadinejad believe the Mahdi probably will return in the next two years…” [25]

        ISLAM AND WORLD DOMINATION-A Pakistani Sunni View

        “The Threat of Theocracy:Islam and World Domination
        Posted on December 9, 2007 by ylooshi

        Make no mistake. Muslims seek to dominate the world.
        I’m not simply using hyperbole in that statement or exaggerating the threat that Islam poses to freedom and secular choices. Various cults of Islam are devout in their intent to spread their cults to all of humanity and publicly state these intents. Moreover, it is written in their mythology, which they accept as unquestioning truth, that Muslims should seek to share their delusion with the entire world.
        Mawlana Abul Alla Mawdudi, the founder of Pakistan’s fundamentalist movement, said:

        Islam is not a normal religion like the other religions in the world, and Muslim nations are not like normal nations. Muslim nations are very special because they have a command from Allah to rule the entire world and to be over every nation in the world. Islam is a revolutionary faith that comes to destroy any government made by man. Islam doesn’t look for a nation to be in better condition than another nation. Islam doesn’t care about land or who owns the land. The goal of Islam is to rule the entire world and submit all of mankind to the faith of Islam. Any nation or power in this world that tries to get in the way of that goal Islam will fight and destroy. In order for Islam to fulfill that goal, Islam can use every power available every way it can be used to bring worldwide revolution. This is jihad.

        Of course, so-called moderate Muslims will object and say that “jihad” simply means “struggle” and that each Muslim “struggles” to bring peace, harmony, etc. Unfortunately, theirs is a voice, even if it is a majority, that isn’t heard nor is it loud. It is, after all, the Koran itself that teaches what jihad is truly about in passages like those found in Surah 8:

        When you fight with disbelievers, do not retreat. Those who do will go to hell (8:15-16); those that the Muslims killed were not really killed by them. It was Allah who did the killing (8:17); Fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah (8:39); and, don’t let the disbelievers think they can escape. They are your enemy and the enemy of Allah (8:59-60).

        Passages like these are what inform the violent interpretations of “jihad” with Muslims; but what of global domination? What justifies this evangelism of terror in the eyes of the Muslim? Further looks at Koranic verses is revealing:

        Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress limits…And slay them wherever ye catch them. And turn them out from where they have turned you out; for persecution is worse than slaughter; But fight them not at the sacred Mosque unless they first fight you there; But if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who reject faith. But if they cease, Allah is oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more persecution. And the religion becomes Allah’s. But if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression (2:190-3)

        Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world’s life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward (4:74).

        And when the sacred months are passed, kill those who join other gods with God wherever ye shall find them; and seize them, besiege them, and lay wait for them with every kind of ambush: but if they shall convert, and observe prayer, and pay the obligatory alms, then let them go their way, for God is gracious, merciful (9:5)

        Nor is there any encouragement within the Koran to tolerate those that don’t accept the delusion of Islam:

        Thou seest many of them making friends with those who disbelieve. Surely ill for them is that which they themselves send on before them (5:80).

        Jihad explains the few extremists that have “martyred” themselves by flying planes into skyscrapers, detonating themselves on trains, or those caught before they could detonate bombs in the United States and Europe. But the jihad that threatens to introduce Islam in staggering numbers across Europe is far more subtle than a suicide bomber. This jihad is playing on secular ideals and the cry for tolerance on the left in the wake of the more violent versions of jihad. The subtle version seeks to introduce Muslim practices and culture in the secular nations of Europe by changing laws and policies making it difficult for opposition to question, criticize or restrict Muslims. On the surface, it seems a good thing not to restrict someone based solely on their religious beliefs. But, looking a bit deeper, one sees more than a mere longing for religious equality. A recent outcry in the United States by the Sikh American Legal Defense and Education Fund (SALDEF) complains of new TSA requirements at airports to search large head-coverings that include cowboy hats, straw hats, turbans and berets. In particular, TSA security personnel can now pat down these types of headgear even if the metal detectors didn’t alert in order to check for non-metallic, dangerous items.

        Pressure against government agencies in the United States has less impact, however, than in Europe, where Muslims have made it difficult to be critical or restrictive on their religious superstitions without being “hateful” or “discriminatory.” In Scotland, doctors and nurses at a hospital have been instructed not to eat in front of Muslim workers during Ramadan. Food trolleys are to be moved away from their sight and Muslim workers are to be given time to pray. This is an example of religious tolerance gone too far, but that isn’t the furthest reaches of what is desired by Muslims in Britain. Muslims there wanted a law passed that would essentially make it a crime to criticize or blaspheme Islam. What passed was apparently a “watered down” version which restricts “threatening” comments designed to incite others against a religious group. I suppose referring to Islam as a delusion responsible for violence and terrorism would ostensibly qualify as an illegal comment if made in public.
        Islam is a presence in Europe that uses violence to influence both Muslims and non-Muslims. In France, radical Islam is being blamed for violence in hospitals –physicians have been assaulted by men for “touching” Muslim women during the course of examinations and Muslim men are demanding “virginity certificates” for young girls. Muslims are also attacking the police in Muslim neighbourhoods with stones and Molotov cocktails. For his efforts in documenting the nature of Muslim violence against Muslim women, Theo Van Gogh paid with his life. Upon completion of the 10 minute film, Van Gogh received death threats. On Nov. 2, 2004, the threats were carried out by a Muslim, deluded by superstitions of jihad and his holy duty to his god. In 2006, riots broke out across the Muslim world in response to cartoons depicting Mohammed published in a Danish newspaper. People died. Over cartoons. In an effort to appease Muslims, much has been done by non-Muslims in the West to present an air of tolerance, which is just what Muslims want. Tolerance is a step towards acceptance. Once Islam becomes as accepted as any other religious superstition, there would be less opposition to conversion. And in the largely secular Europe, Islam might well fill a void and experience little real opposition compared to that in the United States.

        But it’s interesting to note that the very non-Muslims (theists and atheists alike) who called for “respect” and “tolerance” for Islam in the wake of the cartoon riots had little to say about the riots that ensued. Didn’t they notice that this “religion of peace” was both threatening and carrying out violence, primarily because some of the cartoons they objected to depicted Islam as violent? The irony is deep.
        Islam expects tolerance for their delusions. The Koran dictates that those unbelievers that accept them can live, particularly if they convert. Those that refuse to accept them must die.” [26]

        Islamic World Domination-Maureen Metcalf

        I will extract a few paragraphs from the above article to support the views espressed here.

        “In our multi-cultural democratic society we embrace diversity. On the surface this is an applaudable virtue. However, the Islamic terrorists are taking advantage of our propensity to be accepting, and are wielding our ideological “freedom for all” against us! They hide within their own religious people, most of whom, on the surface at least, appear to be peaceful. They also know it is unacceptable for the rest of the western democratic population to single out one religion for vilification. While we are busy bending over backward to make certain religious freedom is available to all, those of a religious orientation that desires to destroy all other religions, operate from within that freedom and safety to wage war against us!…..

        The Ottoman Empire of Islam had been slowly but surely taking over Eastern Europe and the Middle East, and had designs on taking over Russia and Western Europe. World War I halted the Islamic quest for world domination in its tracks, but it was not completely knocked out. Although most of the territory administered by the Ottoman Empire was taken over by the British during the course of World War I, the Islamic ideology was not dealt a death-blow, but went underground…….

        Do all Muslims believe in the insidious multi-level jihad? Absolutely! They are well aware that the ultimate goal of Islam, in obedience to Allah, is world domination. Most however, are not willing to be part of the militant terrorist and shahid forces. In fact, the majority of Muslims are embarrassed by suicide bombers, and the destructive terrorist activities. They would rather bring in world wide Islamic rule through peaceful means, such as through infiltration and winning converts. However, we must understand that the line between being a peaceful Muslim citizen, and becoming a terrorist or a shahid in the cause, is merely ideological……

        So, how do we fight an ideology of death, destruction, disruption, and hate? The truth is, when such an enemy hides among the population, and attacks the innocent and unsuspecting, it is next thing to impossible. We can set up security cameras, send out security forces, check bags, ask questions, use electronics, but this enemy wears the best and most effective camouflage — they look normal…….

        The timing of these diatribes against Jews, and against the United States and Britain, are not coincidence, but rather the Islamic community honestly believes they are soon to take over the entire world.The scary thing is, they are right! They will soon take over under the regime of the coming Man of Sin……

        Islam is on the move toward world domination, and it is time the world woke up to the reality before it is too late! The Islamic terrorists are well on the way to taking over in the Middle East, especially in Gaza, which, if all goes to their plan, is to become a haven for several powerful terrorist organizations. Following their victory provided by the Israeli Withdrawal, they will go after Jerusalem and Judea, resulting in two more world wars, Gog and Magog, and Armageddon. They will have a short, but devastating time in power, then the true Prince of Peace will appear!” [27]

        The Essence of Islam is JIHAD

        Whether Sunni Muslims recognise it as the 6th Pillar of Islam or not, Sunnis fully accept Quran 2:216 without question or hesitation. Hence, Jihad is the “Essence” of Islam for Jihad is their driving force, it is their emblem of solidarity and their sole purpose of unity for serving the interests of Islam and Allah. The following time line of the modern era shows the continuous jihadist activities since the time of Muhammad in the 7th century, unabated. And it will continue without modification as no one on earth has the authority to modify the word or commands of Allah as recorded in the Qur’an. This is what most people do not appreciate that Islam is not a religion like other religions, as it must be The Only Religion, and that no one on earth may modify or alter the word of Allah as shown in the Quran.

        Muslims will never recognise themselves as “terrorists or suicide bombers” nor identify any Muslim as such a person, but only as soldiers and Jihadists and martyrs of Allah doing their duty for the advancement and defence of Islam. They believe that they righteous and pious in bidding Allah’s commands. That is why their faith is so strong and they fear not death in the defence of Islam, since the ultimate sacrifice for a Muslim is to be a Shahid(martyr) for Allah thus assuring him a place in Paradise (Heaven) with Allah. As no other but Allah may be worshipped except Allah himself, all others are considered kafirs and thus enemies of Allah and deserve to be exterminated. Christians erroneously label the Jihadists as ” terrorists,” but not in the eyes of Islam who consider them martyrs. Muslims also condemn and disassociate themselves from terrorists, but the West have used that word for “political correctness.” Christians, on the other hand, have lost their fervour for their faith and are not bothered even if Christianity is demonised. Even the Christian hierarchy, in Britain, are so liberal with their precepts that they have lost their purpose and direction and are in fact splitting their Bishops and congregation apart. We must all take stock of this disintegration of Christian resoluteness for we may yet witness the defeat of our civilisation as we know it today.

        *****There is only One Jihad. [The Lesser Jihad is a false Hadith]

        These compilations of hadith are voluminous, and they have a lot to say about jihad. However, before going to these classic collections, we should begin by looking at one hadith that is very often quoted to demonstrate a non-violent meaning of jihad:Upon his return from battle Muhammad said, “We have returned from the lesser jihad to the greater jihad (i.e. the struggle against the evil of one’s soul).” [28]

        This is very often cited as a proof-text for the “real” meaning of jihad being inward, spiritual struggle. But there are two problems:1. Even a “lesser” jihad is still jihad and thus a duty and a virtue. 2. Muhammad never made such a statement.The hadith in which Muhammad is said to speak of “greater” vs. “lesser” jihad is of doubtful authenticity. It does not appear in any of the six collections of the sahih sittah. In fact, a number of scholars maintain that this hadith is a forgery. One scholar analyses this hadith and considers a number of factors, such as chain of transmission and other more reliable, contradictory ahadith. He quotes one authority:

        “There is a Hadith related by a group of people which states that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said after the battle of Tabuk: “We have returned from Jihad Asghar [lesser jihad] to Jihad Akbar [greater jihad].’

        ***This hadith has no source, nobody whomsoever in the field of Islamic Knowledge has narrated it. Jihad against the disbelievers is the most noble of actions, and moreover it is the most important action for the sake of mankind.”And so after a meticulous examination of sources the article comes to a decision:On the basis of the above statements we can conclude by saying, that the evidence used as proof of the basis for establishing that Jihad against disbelievers on the battlefield is Jihad Asghar [lesser jihad] and Jihad against the desires and Shaitaan [Satan, the devil] is Jihad Akbar [greater jihad], are weak if not ***false Hadith.

        One of the counter-hadith with a better chain of transmission (and the author quotes others as well) goes like this:***A man asked [the Prophet]: “….and what is Jihad? He [peace be upon him] replied: “You fight against the disbelievers when you meet them (on the battlefield).” He asked again: “What kind of Jihad is the highest?” He [peace be upon him] replied: “The person who is killed whilst spilling the last of his blood.”This seems to leave little doubt as to how Muhammad understood Jihad. But let us not make the case on just one example. there are many ahadith on Jihad, and they make its meaning quite clear. First and foremost, Jihad meant combat on the battlefield, and specifically against non-Muslims.

        JIHAD IS FIGHTING THE NON-BELIEVER

        The following sequence of ahadith will clarify this. Many of these are extremely well attested, occurring multiple times in the most trusted collections, the Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. I will cite some of these multiple attestations just to show the high status of the ahadith. (The numbering of ahadith may vary in different editions. In all of the following quotations I have used the Hadith database of the Muslim Students’ Association of the University of Southern California. For purposes of readability I do not quote in full the isnad (chain of attribution) of each hadith, but these are considered important to establishing authenticity and are included in the original sources.)***Reading through the hadith on the subject of Jihad, what we do not find is an exclusive emphasis on self-defence or ***on struggling with one’s desires.

        Jihad is physical combat, not just for self- defence but for the purpose of spreading Islam, and there is no greater virtue: I asked the Prophet, “What is the best deed?” He replied, “To believe in allah and to fight for his cause.” (Sahih Bukhari, 3:46:694, Sahih Muslim, 1:149)

        It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Sa’id Khudri that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said (to him): Abu Sa’id, whoever cheerfully accepts Allah as his Lord, Islam as his religion and Muhammad as his Apostle is necessarily entitled to enter Paradise. He (abu Sa’id) wondered at it and said: Messenger of Allah, repeat it for me. He (the Messenger of Allah)did that and said: There is another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one hundred (higher), and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to the height of the heaven from the earth. He (Abu Sa’id) said: What is that act? He replied: Jihad in the way of Allah! Jihad in the way of Allah! (Sahih Muslim, 20:4645)

        ***The true purpose of Jihad, to spread the Muslim faith, is spelled out explicitly: Allah’s Apostle said: “I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped by Allah and that Muhammad is Allah’s Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah.” (Sahih Bukhari 1:2:24 also 4:52:196)

        It is reported on the auuthority of Abu Huraira that he heard the Messenger of Allah say: I have been commanded to fight against people, till they testify to the fact that there is no god but Allah, and believe in me (that) I am the messenger (from the Lord) and in all that I have brought. And when they do it, their blood and riches are guaranteed protection on my behalf except where it is justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah. (Sahih Muslim, 1:31 also 1;130, 1:32, 1:33)The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: I am commanded to fight with men till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is His servant and His Apostle, face our qiblah(direction of prayer), eat what we slaughter, and pray like us. When they do that, their life and property are unlawful for us except what is due to them. they will have the same rights as the Muslims have, and have the same responsibilities as the Muslims have. (Sunan Abu Dawud,14:2635)

        A man came to the Prophet and asked, “A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah’s Cause?” The Prophet said, “He who fights that Allah’s Word (i.e.Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah’s Cause.” (Sahih Bukhari, 4:52:65 also 9:93:550 and Sahih Muslim, 20:4684, 20:4685, 20:4686, 20:4687)

        It is perhaps significant that whose who never tire of quoting the Qur’an on “There is no compulsion in religion” also never mention these ahadith.The rewards of fighting in Jihad are tremendous, not to be compared with anything else:The Prophet said, “A single endeavour (of fighting) in Allah’s Cause in the forenoon or in the afternoon is better than the world and whatever is in it.” (Sahih Bukhari, 4:52:50 also 4:52:51, 4:52:52, and Sahih Muslim, 20:4643)Allah’s Apostle said, “Allah guarantees him who strives in His Cause and whose motivation for going out is nothing but Jihad in His Cause and belief in His Word, that He will admit him into Paradise (if martyred) or bring him back to his dwelling place, whence he has come out, with what he gains of reward and booty.” (Sahih Bukhari, 4:53:352 also 9:93:549, 9:93:555 and 1:2:35 which adds: “…and I would have loved to be martyred in Allah’s cause and then made alive, and then martyred and then made alive, and then again martyred in his cause.”)It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira who said: Allah has undertaken to provide for one who leaves his home (only) to fight for His cause and to affirm the truth of His word; Allah will either admit him to Paradise or will bring him back home from where he had come out, with his reward and booty. (Sahih Muslim, 20:4628)

        Many ahadith tell us that the surest way to Paradise is to fight in Jihad. Here are just a couple more:Allah’s Apostle said, “Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords.” (Sahih Bukhari, 4,52:73 also 4:52:210 and Sahih Muslim, 20:4681)It has been reported on the authority of Jabir that a man said: Messenger of Allah, where shall I be if I am killed? He replied: in Paradise. The man threw away the dates he had in his hand and fought until he was killed (i.e. he did not wait until he could finish the dates). (Sahih Muslim, 20:4678)

        THE HIGH ESTEEM OF MARTYRDOM IN ISLAM

        This elevation of Jihad to the highest of virtues makes martyrdom something especially to be prized. There are many, many ahadith that extol and encourage martyrdom.It has been narrated on the authority of Masruq who said: We asked ‘Abdullah about the Qur’anic verse: “Think not of those who are slain in Allah’s way as dead. Nay, they are alive, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord.” (Qur’an 3:169). He said: We asked the meaning of the verse (from the Holy Prophet) who said: The souls of the martyrs live in the bodies of green birds who have their nests in Chandeliers hung from the throne of the Almighty. They eat the fruits of Paradise from wherever they like and then nestle in these chandeliers. (Sahih Muslim, 20:4651) There is of course the very celebrated tradition that martyrs from Jihad go immediately to Paradise where they are rewarded with 72 virgins. The following verses in the Qur’an provide the foundation, although the number of virgins is not specified:Let those (who) fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the hereafter, To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah, – whether he is slain or gets victory – Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value). (4:74) As to the Righteous (they will be) in a position of Security, among Gardens and Springs; dressed in fine silk and in rich brocade, they will face each other; So; and We shall join them to Companions (virgins) with beautiful, big, and lustrous eyes. (44:51-54)As to the Righteous, they will be in Gardens, and in Happiness, Enjoying the (Bliss) which their Lord hath bestowed on them, and their Lord shall deliver them from the Penalty of the Fire. (To them will be said:) “Eat and drink ye, with profit and health, because of your (good) deeds.” They will recline (with ease) on thrones (of dignity) arranged in ranks; and We shall join them to Companions, with beautiful, big, and lustrous eyes. (52:17-20)They will recline on Carpets, whose inner linings will be of rich brocade: the Fruit of the Gardens will be near (and easy of reach.) Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny? In them will be (Maidens). chaste, restraining their glances, whom no man of Jinn before him has touched. (55:54-59, also 55:70-74)And on thrones (of dignity), raised high. We have created (their Companions) of special creation. And made them virgin – pure (and undefiled, – Beloved (by nature), equal in age, – For the Companions of the Right Hand. (56:34-38) Verily for the Righteous there will be a fulfilment of (the heart’s) desires; Gardens enclosed, and grapevines; and voluptuous women of equal age; and a cup full (to the brim. (78:31-34)And so from the Qur’an itself we see that sex is a reward for the faithful in Paradise.

        These “companions” are the houris of renown, beautiful young maidens. They will be virgins, “whom no man or Jinn before them has touched.” We get the number 72 by way of hadith. In the Sunan At-Tirmidhi, which is one of the six basic collections, we find the following: The Prophet Muhammad was heard saying: “The smallest reward for the people of Paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah (a Damascus suburb) to Sana’a (Yemen)” (Sunan At-Tirmidhi, 4:2:2687)

        There has been some debate on whether only martyrs get the 72 virgins or whether everyone (male) in Paradise gets them. However, the tradition of the virgins has been used often and effectively as an inducement to martyrdom. Martyrdom is so highly valued that the truly devoted Muslim would Wish to return to earth many times in order to repeat the experience.The Prophet said, “Nobody who dies and finds good from Allah (in the Hereafter) would wish to come back to this world even if he were given the whole world and whatever is in it, except the martyr who, on seeing the superiority of martyrdom, would like to come back to the world and get killed again (in Allah’s cause.)” (Sahih Bukhari 4:52:53)The Prophet said, “By Him in Whose Hands my life is! Were it not for some men amongst the believers who dislike to be left behind me and whom I cannot provide with means of conveyance, I would certainly never remain behind any Sariya’ (army-unit) setting out in Allah’s Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred. (Sahih Bukhari, 4:52:54)The Prophet said, “Nobody who enters Paradise likes to to back to the world even if he got everything on earth, except a Muhadid who wishes to return to the world so that he may be martryed ten times because of the dignity he receives. (from Allah)” Narrated Al-Mughira bin Shu’ba: Our Prophet told us about the message of our Lord that “Whoever amongst us is killed will go to Paradise.” Umar asked the Prophet, “Is it not true that our men who are killed will go to Paradise and theirs (i.e. those of the Pagans) will go to the (Hell) fire?” The Prophet said, “Yes.” (Sahih Bukhari, 4:52:72 also Sahih Muslim, 20:4635)It is praiseworthy both to seek death as a martyr and to love it: Apostle of Allah ( peace be upon him) said: If anyone fights in Allah’s path as long as the time between two milking’s of a She-camel, Paradise will be assured for him. If anyone sincerely asks Allah for being killed and then dies or is killed, there will be a reward of a martyr for him. (Sunan Abu Dawud, 14:2535) It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira who said: I heard the Messenger of Allah( (may peace be upon him) say, “By the Being in Whose Hand is my life, I love that I should be killed in the way of Allah; then I should be brought back to life and be killed again in His way.” (Sahih Muslim, 20:4631 also 20:4626)I love that I should be killed in the way of Allah: the Prophet’s wish for death has become the battle cry of today’s terrorists. Is there any wonder why so many become suicide killers? It is not an act of desperation. It is an expression of the passion that has motivated Jihad fighters ever since the time of Muhammad.

        We in the West cannot understand it, so we try to psychoanalyse it, or ask obsessively, “Why do they hate us?” The answer to why so many choose death is right here in the earliest sources. And it is not entirely unique. Perhaps many Westerners can understand it better if they recall how the early Christian Martyrs desired so ardently to die for Christ, and sought out such a death as a way of securing eternal bliss. the urge to become a martyr through sacrificing one’s life to a higher cause is not as unique, foreign, or inexplicable as we might wish to believe.

        Here are the words of St. Ignatius of Antioch, a Christian martyr of the early second century, from a letter he wrote to discourage others from interfering in his death:”I am writing to all the churches to let it be known that I will gladly die for God if only you do not stand in my way. I plead with you: show me no untimely kindness. Let me be food for the wild beasts, for they are my way to God. I am God’s wheat and bread. Pray to Christ for me that the animals will be the means of making me a sacrificial victim for God.”So perhaps it would not surprise us that a religious vision can serve as a motivation for desiring and seeking death. But there is one big difference between the Christian and Muslim martyrs.Christian martyrdom did not require death in combat against non-believers.Indeed, not to desire death in battle against the infidel is considered shameful (in Islam): It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: One who died but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or determination) for Jihad died the death of a hypocrite. (Sahih Muslim, 20:4696)

        You will not find the above in any Arabic literature on Jihad. Amazing what I know about Jihad.

  70. Mohammed Zakir Hussain

    You are the bigot, why do not you publish Isreal’s killing of Palestinians, Hiroshima Bombing, Afganistan destruction, there are several …….

  71. mbplee

    And you, Mohammed Zakir Hussain are Islamic ignorant.

    • Mohammed Zakir Hussain

      ok I am Islamic ignorant and You are bigot

      • mbplee

        Muhammed Zakir Hussain, I cannot be a bigot because I have an open mind and I am studying all the major religions. Give me facts and I will consider them. Open your mind and you may learn a lot more. You can see that I know about every detail of Jihad even about the false Hadith. I know a lot about Islam but also about Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, Judaism, and more. And I speak the truth of each even if it may be controversial. Christianity and all religions have evolved out of mythology.

      • Mohammed Zakir Hussain

        If you are not bigot then, why the hell you don’t publish here about war crimes by

        1. Zionists
        2. USA

        And there are much more if you want!!!

  72. Mohammed Zakir Hussain

    If you are not bigot then, why the hell you don’t publish here about war crimes by

    1. Zionists
    2. USA

    And there are much more if you want!!!

  73. Mohammed Zakir Hussain

    If you are not bigot then, why the hell you don’t publish here about war crimes by

    1. Zionists
    2. USA

    And there are much more if you want!!!

  74. Mohammed Zakir Hussain

    Yes, By His Grace, He Permits us to retaliate only when the enemy tries to harm us.

    Quran Says:

    punish with an equivalent of that with which you were harmed. But if you are patient – it is better for those who are patient.” (Quran 16:126)

    ….

    So you bigot … while quoting Quranic or Hadith, never ever miss the context in which that verse was revealed, you are nothing but a Hatemonger of Islam and bigot.

  75. mbplee

    Muhd Z. Hussain, Some wars have no connection with religion.

  76. mbplee

    Muhd Zakir Hussain said,”By His Grace, He Permits us to retaliate only when the enemy tries to harm us.”
    The Quran Says:
    Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing… but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)”

    All non-believers (disbelievers) are enemies of Allah.

    The HATE is all contained in the Quran. The Quran is a Manual of hatred and Violence. Study the Quran and you will learn to HATE. Hatred in the Quran is NOT OUT OF CONTEXT! You are always out of context.

    • Mohammed Zakir Hussain

      You are truly bigot and hatemonger of Islam, you bigot!!! again you quoted this out of context (you did it purposefully because of hatred). You bigot!!! hatemonger of Islam, The verse should be read from

      Quran(2:190)

      Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.

      _________

      Allah O Akbar, such are the beautiful teachings from My Allah.

      ______________

      You are nothing, but bigot and hatemonger of Islam.

      • mbplee

        Muhd, you create hate by telling lies about Islam. The Quran and the Hadith is there for all to read and to ascertain for themselves what Allah has commanded. Anyone who is not a Muslim resists the commands of Allah and thus fights Allah’s wishes and is an enemy of Islam.
        Show me verses in the Quran where Allah asks Muslim to befriend Jews and Christians? or explain :
        Mohsin Khan: Say (O Muhammad SAW to the people of the Scripture): “Shall I inform you of something worse than that, regarding the recompense from Allah: those (Jews) who incurred the Curse of Allah and His Wrath, those of whom (some) He transformed into monkeys and swines, those who worshipped Taghut (false deities); such are worse in rank (on the Day of Resurrection in the Hell­fire), and far more astray from the Right Path (in the life of this world).”

    • Mohammed Zakir Hussain

      Quran Chapter 9 Al-Tawba: Verse No:33

      It is He Who hath sent His Messenger with guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it).

      • mbplee

        [9:33] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the True Religion that He may make it prevail over all religions,32 howsoever those who associate others with Allah in His Divinity might detest it.
        32. The Arabic word ad-din has been translated into ‘ways’. For the word deen, as has already been explained in E.N. 204, Al-Baqarah, is used for the ‘way of life’ or the ‘system of life’, which is followed in obedience to the supreme authority.

        Now let us try to understand the significance of this verse. The object of the mission of the Messenger is to make the guidance and the right way he has brought from Allah dominant over all the other ways and systems of life. In other words, the Messenger is not sent to allow Allah’s Way to remain subordinate to other ways in order to enjoy concessions from them. He is sent by the Sovereign of the earth and the heavens to make His Way dominant over all other ways. And if a wrong way is at all allowed to remain on the earth, it should be tolerated only under its own protection by the payment of jizyah under the limits conferred by the divine system as in the cast of the system of life of the zimmis who pay jizyah.

    • Marc Javenci

      See? Another one taking a phrase out before even reading about it itself. That was for a specific time when the Muslims were kicked out of their homes and beaten and killed just because they were Muslims. Back when the Prophet PBUH was alive. This was revealed so that they could get back their land, which is now known as SAUDI ARABIA.
      You need to stop judging something before you do FULL research into the matter. Other groups claim to be acting under religious reasons but suddenly these ISIS noobs caused an uproar. Bigotry is bad. So stop right now please. Stop oppressing Muslims and face the facts.

      • mbplee

        Marc Javenci, When was there a “specific time when the Muslims were kicked out of their homes and beaten and killed just because they were Muslims. Back when the Prophet PBUH was alive. This was revealed so that they could get back their land, which is now known as SAUDI ”
        There is no such event in the Quran or the Hadith, so you are talking rubbish.

  77. alex

    mbplee: let me clear the lies you spread…………..

    jizyah is simply a TAX a non Muslims had to pay if he choose to live in a Islamic country………this is because Muslims have to a mandatory ZAKAT each year.as NON MUSLIMS don’t have to pay ZAKAT.so they were to pay ” jizyah ” ..EVERY western country has brutal TAX system and its a major crime to evade taxes. Even though ” jizyah ” does not apply these days
    as Levey country has tax system..Now muslims pay both zakt and tax in own Muslim coutry………this concept of ” jizyah ” was applicable in early days of Islam and not practiced anymore.

    sahih Intl:
    It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with Allah dislike it.
    Yusuf Ali:
    It is He Who hath sent His Messenger with guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it).

    • mbplee

      Alex, This is what jizyah is:

      Jizyah is what is taken from the People of the Book – and from the mushrikeen, according to some scholars – every year, in return for their being allowed to settle in Muslim lands, and in return for protecting them against those who would commit aggression against them.

      The word jizyah comes from the word jazaa’ (recompense). It is as if it is a recompense for us allowing them to live in our land and for us protecting their lives, property and dependents.

      See: Tawdeeh al-Ahkaam min Buloogh al-Maraam by al-‘Allaamah ‘Abdullah al-Bassaam (3/437); Lisaan al-‘Arab (14/146); Tahdheeb al-Asma’ wa’l-Lughaat by an-Nawawi (3/51); al-Mawsoo‘ah al-Kuwaitiyyah (15/149).

      The fuqaha’ are unanimously agreed that jizyah may be accepted from the People of the Book, and from the Magians (Zoroastrians).

      However, they differed concerning mushrikeen (polytheists) and idol worshippers, and also differed concerning the categories of People of the Book and Zoroastrians from whom jizyah may be accepted.

      The majority of Shaafa‘i and Hanbali fuqaha’ are of the view that it cannot be accepted from mushrikeen at all; nothing can be accepted from them except their becoming Muslim or being fought.

      The Hanafis and some of the Maalikis said: Jizyah may be accepted from the mushrikeen, except the mushrikeen among the Arabs.

      Al-Awzaa‘i – whose view is more likely to be correct according to the Maaliki scholars – said: It may be accepted from all the disbelievers, including the mushrikeen and idol worshippers, whether they are Arabs or non-Arabs, and whether they are Qurashis or non-Qurashis.

      This view is more likely to be correct. The evidence for that is the hadith of Buraydah that was narrated by Muslim in his Saheeh (1731): When the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) appointed commanders for an army or expedition, he would advise them personally to fear Allah, may He be exalted, and to be good to those of the Muslims who were under their command. Then he said: “Fight in the name of Allah… When you meet your enemy among the polytheists, offer them three options, and whichever one they choose, accept it from them and refrain from (fighting) them. Invite them to Islam and if they respond, then accept it from them and refrain from (fighting) them. Then invite them to migrate from their land to the land of the Muhaajireen (Madinah), and tell them that if they do that, they will have the same rights and duties as the muhaajiroon have. If they refuse to leave, then tell them that they are like the Muslim Bedouin and subject to the same rulings as the believers, but they will have no share of the booty and spoils, unless they strive in jihad alongside the Muslims. If they refuse, then ask them to pay jizyah. If they respond, then accept it from them and refrain from (fighting) them….”

      The evidence here is that he said “your enemy among the polytheists” and this is in general terms.

      That is also indicated by the fact that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) accepted jizyah from the Magians (Zoroastrians) of Hajar, as it says in Saheeh al-Bukhaari (3157), even though they were not People of the Book.

      This indicates that it may be taken from any disbeliever, and the meaning indicates that, because if it is permissible to take it from People of the Book and from the Zoroastrians, then others are like them, because the purpose is to allow the disbeliever to continue following his religion within a particular framework, and that is applicable to all disbelievers.

      Based on that, if one of the polytheists asks us to accept the jizyah from him and allow him to continue to follow his religion, and we see that there is a purpose to be served by that, then we may do that.

      This is the view favoured by Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allah have mercy on him). Ash-Sharh al-Mumti‘ (8/58)

      For more information, please see: al-Mawsoo‘ah al-Kuwaitiyyah (15/166)

      It is PROTECTION MONEY (EXTORTION) for a non-Muslim to live in a Muslim country.
      It makes Discrimination of religions i.e., Islam is superior to other religions.

  78. alex

    Four Million Muslims Killed in US-NATO Wars: Should We Call It Genocide?…….http://www.globalresearch.ca/four-million-muslims-killed-in-us-nato-wars-should-we-call-it-genocide/5470424 US-led coalition killed more Syrian civilians than Isis or Russia in March, figures show……..http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/us-coalition-air-strikes-isis-russia-kill-more-civilians-march-middle-east-iraq-syria-network-for-a7663881.html More than 200 civilians killed in suspected U.S. airstrike in Iraq….http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-mosul-civilians-airstrike-20170324-story.html Under Trump, U.S. Military Has Allegedly Killed Over 1,000 Civilians in Iraq, Syria in March…….http://www.newsweek.com/trumps-war-civilian-deaths-syria-577353 US Has Killed More Than 20 Million People in 37 “Victim Nations” Since World War II -……….. http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-has-killed-more-than-20-million-people-in-37-victim-nations-since-world-war-ii/5492051#sthash.Al7Zy89J.dpufUS US airstrikes allegedly kill at least 73 civilians in northern Syria https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/20/us-airstrike-allegedly-kills-56-civilians-in-northern-syria With 200+ Iraqi Civilians Feared Dead, Carnage Surging Under Trump…………https://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/03/26/200-iraqi-civilians-feared-dead-carnage-surging-under-trump

    • mbplee

      Muslims could call it genocide in order to show themselves as the unfortunate VICTIMS OF THE INFIDEL WEST.

      But to me, they were “THE TRAGIC ACCIDENTAL COLLATERAL DAMAGE OF WAR”. It happens in all wars even when religion is not the purpose of the war. Don’t be so warped and blame every death on the West. If you believe Islam is PERFECT, study the Quran with an open mind.

  79. alex

    mbplee: Which world do you live? hate anguish against Islam really burning you like hell fire…………………DO YOU KNOW WHO STARTED WARS IN MUSLIM COUNTRIES..who invaded Muslim countries…………you are justifying the killing of 4 million Muslims by the hand of Christians? that lowest level of moral that you christian really have no moral………Thats a shame

    REGARDING jaziyah..if you read what you have copy/pasting from christian missionary run hate websites…………you will see that it is what i have clarified………….JAZIYAH is TAX for “NON MUSLIMS” as non Muslims don’t have to pay Zakt(which is mandatory for Muslim but not for NON MUSLIMS)……PERIOD
    Jizya or jizyah (Arabic: جزية‎‎ ǧizya IPA: [dʒizja]; Ottoman Turkish: جزيه cizye) is a per capita yearly tax historically levied by Islamic states on certain non-Muslim subjects—dhimmis—permanently residing in Muslim lands under Islamic law.[1][2][3] Muslim jurists required adult, free, sane males among the dhimma community to pay the jizya,[4] ………………while exempting women, children, elders, handicapped, the ill, the insane, monks, hermits, slaves,[5][6][7][8][9] and musta’mins—non-Muslim foreigners who only temporarily reside in Muslim lands.[5][10] Dhimmis who chose to join military service were exempted from payment,[1][6][11][12][13] as were those who could not afford to pay.[6][14][15]………………………..

    The Quran and hadiths mention jizya without specifying its rate or amount.[16] However, scholars largely agree that early Muslim rulers adapted existing systems of taxation and tribute that were established under previous rulers of the conquered lands, such as those of the Byzantine and Sasanian empires.[10][17][18][19][20]

    The application of jizya varied in the course of Islamic history. Together with kharāj, a term that was sometimes used interchangeably with jizya,[21][22][23] taxes levied on non-Muslim subjects were among the main sources of revenues collected by some Islamic polities, such as the Ottoman Empire.[24] Jizya rate was usually a fixed annual amount depending on the financial capability of the payer.[25] Sources comparing taxes levied on Muslims and jizya differ as to their relative burden depending on time, place, specific taxes under consideration, and other factors.[1][26][27][28]

    Historically, the Jizya tax has been understood in Islam as a fee for protection provided by the Muslim ruler to non-Muslims, for the exemption from military service for non-Muslims, for the permission to practice a non-Muslim faith with some communal autonomy in a Muslim state, and as material proof of the non-Muslims’ submission to the Muslim state and its laws.[29][30][31] Jizya has also been understood by some as a ritual humiliation of the non-Muslims in a Muslim state for not converting to Islam,[32][33] while others argue that if it were meant to be a punishment for the dhimmis’ unbelief then monks and the clergy wouldn’t have been exempted.[34]

    The jizya tax was historically imposed on Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians in the Arabian peninsula, the Levant, Iraq, North Africa, Caucasus and Spain, and on Hindus on the Indian Subcontinent into the 19th century, but almost vanished during the 20th century.[35] The tax is no longer imposed by nation states in the Islamic world,[36][37] although there are reported cases of organizations such as the Pakistani Taliban and ISIS attempting to revive the practice.[35][38][39]

    Some modern Islamic scholars have argued that jizya should be paid by non-Muslim subjects of an Islamic state, offering different rationales.[40][41] For example, Sayyid Qutb saw it as punishment for “polytheism”, while Abdul Rahman Doi viewed it as a counterpart of the zakat tax paid by Muslims.[40] According to Khaled Abou El Fadl, moderate Muslims reject the dhimma system, which encompasses jizya, as inappropriate for the age of nation-states and democracies.[37]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya

    • mbplee

      “alex
      July 2, 2017
      mbplee: Which world do you live? hate anguish against Islam really burning you like hell fire…………………DO YOU KNOW WHO STARTED WARS IN MUSLIM COUNTRIES..who invaded Muslim countries…………you are justifying the killing of 4 million Muslims by the hand of Christians? that lowest level of moral that you christian really have no moral………Thats a shame”

      Alex, you should know your Islamic history before you start throwing accusations at others. Did you know:

      “Here you will read about the history of the Islamic Jihad from its beginnings at Mecca in 620 C.E. up to 9/11, and the lessons it has for us in today’s challenging times. If we are to understand Islam, we need to understand the temperament of its founder Mohammed PBUH*, the way victorious Muslims have treated the subject people, and above all the reasons for the victory of Islam.

      NEW Movie script on Mohammed PBUH* – the founder of Islam

      The Jihad against the Human Race launched by the sub-human mindset of Mohammed-ibn-abdallah S.A.W. (PBUH*) in the year 622, is now entering its most bloodied phase. A phase that will see not the towers of severed non-Muslim heads rendered by the blades of Muslim swords, but the vaporization of Muslims by the millions with a single series of strikes by non-Muslim nuclear and neutron bombs. Islam will soon undergo a trail-by-fire.

      The 21st century is payback time for the Muslims. The crimes against humanity committed by Muslims in the last 14 centuries, will be paid back with due premium and without any compassion. The last chapter in the history of Islam will be written with blood and death, the only difference now will be that it will be the blood and death of millions of Muslims, till the human race is finally cured of this scourge of Islam, and can then collect itself once again to continue its march on the path of progress, unhindered by mental prisons like Islam, or by any other form of religious fanaticism, or for that matter by any religion whatsoever.”

      • alex

        mbplee: I really don’t know what ignorance you are talking about.you are copy/pasting form christian run hate websites without even reading them.THAT’S WHAT I HATE MOST.
        SHOW ME THE HISTORY?You have zero research
        every religion fought wars with Islam is the least one.wars part of human history.
        JIHAD is not mean violence or wars or killings……………………….MUHAMMAD(pbuh)
        did not fought wars to spread Islam………………….PERIOD..LET ME TEACH YOU ABOUT MUHAMMAD(PBUH)Battles/disputes.All these battles have fought when Muslims migrated to Medina
        NONE OF THESE BATTLES STARTED BY MUSLIMS……………Muslims were attacked by PAGAN ARABS from MECCA and these battles fought around Medina OR INSIDE MEDINA against Jews
        1.Badr: The First Battle in Islam
        2.Ghazwat-us-Sawiq (2 A.H.)
        3.Ghazwah Ghatfan
        4.The Battle of Uhud
        5.Sariyah Abu Salamah
        6.Sariyah Ibn Anis
        7.Treachery at Bir Ma’unah
        8.The Foul play at Raji
        9.Expulsion of the Bann Nadhir (Rabi 1, 4 A.H.)
        10.The Battle of Khandaq (Moat) or Ahzab
        11.The Battle of Khaibar
        12.The Battle of Mu’ta
        13.The Fall of Mecca

        NOW DO SOME RESEARCH TO SEE WHO STARTED THESE Battles???????????

  80. mbplee

    Alex, as you do not use a Muslim name, you are either a convert or an apologist for Islam. The Quran is the literal immutable word of Allah and does not need people like you to tell lies (Taqiyya) for Allah. All of us can read the literal words of the Quran and come to out open conclusions without assistance from people like you who simply create misinformation and more hatred. Allah and his Quran does not need defence by “Islamic illiterates.” Not does anyone need any other persons interpretation of the Quran. The Word of Allah speaks for itself. All you have managed to do is to create animosity between us.

    “Sayyid Qutb saw it (Jizya) as punishment for “polytheism””
    That says it all, Jizya is “Protection Money” against non-Muslims and thus is discriminatory against other religions.
    What if ALL MUSLIMS MUST PAY A TAX (Jizya) IN ALL CHRISTIANS COUNTRIES to Worship Islam? Perhaps that would make things equal? Do you think that that would be a fair solution to the problem?

    • alex

      mbplee: why are you hiding your name??????you are a christian missionary…deceiving the peoples…………….accept that
      Jizya or jizyah (Arabic: جزية‎‎ ǧizya IPA: [dʒizja]; Ottoman Turkish: جزيه cizye) is a per capita yearly tax historically levied by Islamic states on certain non-Muslim subjects—dhimmis—permanently residing in Muslim lands under Islamic law.[1][2][3] Muslim jurists required adult, free, sane males among the dhimma community to pay the jizya,[4] while exempting women, children, elders, handicapped, the ill, the insane, monks, hermits, slaves,[5][6][7][8][9] and musta’mins—non-Muslim foreigners who only temporarily reside in Muslim lands.[5][10] Dhimmis who chose to join military service were exempted from payment,[1][6][11][12][13] as were those who could not afford to pay.[6][14][15]

      • mbplee

        To Alex: I am a freelance researcher of all topics but especially cultures and religions. I quote form the Quran and historical articles. But I cite my findings and I do not plagiarise. I challenge the authenticity of Islam as much as I challenge the authenticity of Judaism or Christianity of Hinduism or Taoism. And I am knowledgeable on all these religions.

        However you wish to translate Jizya, I define it as “protection money” (Extortion Money)(Blackmail Money) and shows that there is no freedom of religious belief in Islam. Hence “There is no compulsion in Islam” is a LIE.

      • Marc Javenci

        You’re an atheist, wow. Should’ve realised. Lolz. You disrespect a religion without any shame. You’re the lowest creature on earth and I pray you’ll find your way.

      • mbplee

        Marc Javenci, Are you a Muslim or an apologist for Islam? You have no idea what Islam is, nor Christianity, nor Judaism from the way you write. What are the roots of these religions? All of them evolved from mythological gods and mythological Prophets. Only when you know enough about the roots of religion that you can even be considered knowledgeable of religions especially Islam.

        Here are the Pagan Origins ofIslam

        Pagan Origins of Islam
        This article discusses the monotheistic religion of Islam and its pre-Islamic pagan heritage.

        Worship at the Ka’aba
        According to the hadith, the Ka’aba in Mecca was a center of idol-worship, with the Ka’aba housing 360 idols:

        ***Narrated ‘Abdullah bin Masud: The Prophet entered Mecca and (at that time) there were three hundred-and-sixty idols around the Ka’aba. He started stabbing the idols with a stick he had in his hand and reciting: “Truth (Islam) has come and Falsehood (disbelief) has vanished.”
        Sahih Bukhari 3:43:658
        Prophet Muhammad discarded the 360 idols but retained for Islam, the Ka’aba with its Black Stone, justifying it with the claim that Abraham and Ishmael originally constructed it. However, there is no historical or archaeological evidence for the existence of the Ka’aba beyond a few hundred years before Muhammad’s lifetime. In fact, Muhammad’s own words disprove any connection he was attempting to make between Abraham, Ishmael and the Ka’aba.

        The Qur’an says Abraham built it:

        Remember We made the House a place of assembly for men and a place of safety; and take ye the station of Abraham as a place of prayer; and We covenanted with Abraham and Isma’il, that they should sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or use it as a retreat, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer).
        Qur’an 2:125
        Muhammed says it was built 40 years prior to the Temple at Jerusalem:

        Narrated Abu Dhaar: I said, “O Allah’s Apostle! Which mosque was built first?” He replied, “Al-Masjid-ul-Haram.” I asked, “Which (was built) next?” He replied, “Al-Masjid-ul-Aqs-a (i.e. Jerusalem).” I asked, “What was the period in between them? He replied, forty years.
        Sahih Bukhari 4:55:636
        The Temple at Jerusalem was built by Solomon around 958-951 BC. This implies that if Muhammad were to be believed, the Ka’aba must have been built approximately 998-991 BC. But Abraham lived around 2000 BC and both Abraham and Ishmael would have been dead by then.

        If Muhammad is correct, then the Qur’an [and therefore Allah] is wrong. But if the Qur’an is correct in stating that Abraham and Ishmael built the Ka’aba, then Muhammad and the sahih hadith is wrong.

        *****The Kaaba has nothing to do with Abraham or Ishmael. It has a wholly pagan heritage. Egyptian Professor and foremost authority on Arabic literature, Dr. Taha Husayn, said the following:

        The case for this episode is very obvious because it is of recent date and came into vogue just before the rise of Islam. Islam exploited it for religious reasons.[1]
        Also, according to sahih hadith, Muhammad even considered dismantling it:

        Narrated Aswad: Ibn Az-Zubair said to me, “Aisha used to tell you secretly a number of things. What did she tell you about the Ka’ba?” I replied, “She told me that once the Prophet said, ‘O ‘Aisha! Had not your people been still close to the pre-Islamic period of ignorance (infidelity)! I would have dismantled the Ka’ba and would have made two doors in it; one for entrance and the other for exit.” Later on Ibn Az-Zubair did the same.
        Sahih Bukhari 1:3:128
        ***Worship at the Ka’aba and the kissing of the Black Stone are just the first of many practices adopted from 7th century paganism and repackaged within monotheistic Islam.

        Veneration of the Black-stone
        ***The pagan gods of pre-Islamic Arabia were worshiped in the form of rectangular stones or rocks. For example, the pagan deity ‘Al-Lat’, mentioned in Qur’an 53:19, and believed by pre-Islamic pagans to be one of the daughters of Allah, was once venerated as a cubic rock at Ta’if in Saudi Arabia. An edifice was built over the rock to mark it apart as a house of worship.

        Al-lat stood in al-Ta’if, and was more recent than Manah. She was a cubic rock beside which a certain Jew used to prepare his barley porridge (sawiq). Her custody was in the hands of the banu-‘Attab ibn-Malik of the Thayif, who had built an edifice over her. […]She is the idol which God mentioned when He said, “Have you seen Al-lat and al-‘Uzza (Surah 53:19)?[2]
        Kitab Al-Asnam (The Book of Idols), p 14
        ***”A principal sacred object in Arabian religion was the stone, either a rock outcropping or a large boulder, often a rectangular or irregular black basaltic stone… of numerous baetyls, the best known is the Black-stone of the Ka’aba at Mecca which became the central shrine object in Islam”.[3]
        Encyclopedia Britannica
        ***There is no denying that the Black Stone was one among many stones and idols venerated at the Ka’aba by the pre-Islamic pagans. The Black Stone was kissed during pre-Islamic pagan worship. Though Muhammad threw out 360 other objects at the Ka’aba, he retained this Black Stone and continued the practice of kissing it. It is this same stone that the pre-Islamic pagans once kissed, that Muslims kiss today when visiting Mecca.

        Praying 5 Times Towards Mecca
        Pagans prior to Islam would pray five times per day towards Mecca.[4] Muhammad retained for Islam, this pre-Islamic practice, sanctioning it with a story of a night trip to heaven on a mythical beast called al-Buraq. In heaven, the Hadith tells us that Allah demanded 50 prayers per day per Muslim. Upon advice from Moses, Muhammed bargains with Allah and successfully reduces it to five prayers per day.

        Zoroastrians are also expected to recite their (kusti) prayers at least five times a day having first cleansed themselves by washing (ablution). So even today, this is not a practice unique to Islam.[5] But, contrary to the Muslims, they pray in the direction of the Sun (at each time of the day) and/or of the Holy Fire (if they are in a Fire Temple). [6]

        Fasting on the 10th of Muharram
        ***Muhammad’s pagan tribe, the Quraish, fasted on the 10th of Muharram. Though optional, Muhammad retained this pagan practice too.

        Narrated ‘Aisha: ‘Ashura’ (i.e. the tenth of Muharram) was a day on which the tribe of Quraish used to fast in the pre-lslamic period of ignorance. The Prophet also used to fast on this day. So when he migrated to Medina, he fasted on it and ordered (the Muslims) to fast on it. When the fasting of Ramadan was enjoined, it became optional for the people to fast or not to fast on the day of Ashura.
        Sahih Bukhari 5:58:172
        Tawaf between Safa and Marwa
        Doing Tawaf between Safa and Marwa is an Islamic ritual associated with the pilgrimage to Mecca. Safa and Marwa are two mounts, located at Mecca. This ritual entails Muslims walking frantically between the two mounts, seven times. This was originally a pagan pre-Islamic practice. Muhammad retained it for Islam, sanctioning it with yet another Qur’anic revelation.[7]

        Narrated ‘Asim: I asked Anas bin Malik: “Did you use to dislike to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa?” He said, “Yes, as it was of the ceremonies of the days of the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance, till Allah revealed: ‘Verily! (The two mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwa are among the symbols of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who performs the pilgrimage to the Ka’ba, or performs ‘Umra, to perform Tawaf between them.’ ” (2.158)
        Sahih Bukhari 2:26:710
        Clearly, the Hadith testifies that Muhammad merely adopted this pagan ceremony from the pre-Islamic “period of ignorance” and justified it with yet another convenient Qur’anic revelation.

        A myth was also created about Hagar running between these two mounts in search of water until she found the Zamzam Well. Even if this story were true, why is this reason for people to run up and down between two mounts to please a god? This myth was not created to further justify the ritual, but for another reason; Muhammad was trying to market Zamzam, owned by his family, as a money-making venture.

        Requirement of Ihram
        Ihram is a state a Muslim enters into for his pilgrimage to Mecca. It involves a series of procedures like ritual washing, wearing ‘Ihram garments’, etc. Ihram was originally a pagan requirement for worshipping idols during pre-Islamic times. Muhammad retained this practice for Islam. Muslims assume Ihram to perform the Hajj or Umrah.

        Narrated ‘Urwa: I asked ‘Aisha : …But in fact, this divine inspiration was revealed concerning the Ansar who used to assume “Ihram” for worshipping an idol called “Manat” which they used to worship at a place called Al-Mushallal before they embraced Islam, and whoever assumed Ihram (for the idol), would consider it not right to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa.
        Sahih Bukhari 2:26:706
        Circumambulation 7 Times

        In the Islamic ritual of Tawaf, Muslims go around the Kaaba 7 times. In the Hindu marriage rite of Satphere, the married couple goes around a fire also 7 times. In both of these rituals, religious phrases are repeated during the circumambulation.
        Circumambulation is to go in circles around a particular object. ***In Islam, worshippers and pilgrims do this around the Ka’aba at Mecca. Pre-Islamic pagans used do it to please the moon god Hubal, the 360 deities and Allah (who was merely one among the many deities worshipped there). Muhammad himself used to do it, even before the 360 idols inside the Ka’aba were removed.

        Judaism and Christianity (the religions of those who are considered People of the Book) do not practice ritual circumambulation to please God. Two other faiths which do are Hinduism and Buddhism, religions older than Islam and accused by Islam of “paganism” and practicing idolatry.

        Crescent Moon Symbol
        ***Hubal was the moon god worshiped at the Ka’aba. The crescent moon was Hubal’s symbol. Muhammad’s pagan grandfather Abd al-Muttalib almost slaughtered Muhammad’s father Abdallah at the Ka’aba, to Hubal. From Ibn Hisham:

        An arrow showed that it was ‘Abdullah to be sacrificed. ‘Abdul-Muttalib then took the boy to Al-Ka’bah with a razor to slaughter the boy. Quraish, his uncles from Makhzum tribe and his brother Abu Talib, however, tried to dissuade him. They suggested that he summon a she-diviner. She ordered that the divination arrows should be drawn with respect to ‘Abdullah as well as ten camels. … the number of the camels (finally) amounted to one hundred. … They were all slaughtered to the satisfaction of Hubal.[8]
        The Ka’aba, Islam’s holiest shrine, has been a place where such pagan human sacrifices and slaughters have taken place for Tubal. ***When Muhammad founded Islam, he discarded Hubal. At the Battle of Badr, his enemy Abu Sufyan praised the high position of moon god Hubal, saying “O Hubal, be high”. Muhammad asked his followers to yell back, “Allah is higher”.[9]

        ***Is moon-god Hubal no longer “higher”? Is Islam completely free of the ‘moon’ influence? Take a closer look at mosques all over the world, and you are likely to find Hubal’s symbol, the crescent moon, positioned at a high point of the mosque. As with the Cross for Christianity and the Star of David for Judaism, the Crescent moon is today a universal symbol for Islam.

        It may not be a deliberate effort to worship Hubal. And yet, interestingly, through Islam, the pagan prayer of Muhammad’s enemy Abu Sufyan at Badr has been answered, “O Hubal be high”. [1]

        Discussion

        There is without any question that Muhammad’s Islam evolved from more ancient religious ideologies and customs. We see clearly the influence of the religion practiced by the Quraysh tribe, Muhammad’s tribe, on the Islamic religion, showing that Islam evolved from paganism. I list the following:

        (1) Worshipping the Kaaba. ***The Kaaba has nothing to do with Abraham or Ishmael. It has a wholly pagan heritage. It was venerated by all the pre-Islamic pagan Arabs in Arabia. Muhammad had to continue to accept the Kaaba as the central point of worship even is he had destroyed all the other idols except the Black Stone.

        (2) Worshipping and Kissing the Black Stone was the pagan idol for the pre-Islamic Arabs. But it was so sacred to those pagans that Muhammad did not dare to desecrate it, knowing how much it meant to them.

        “A principal sacred object in Arabian religion was the stone, either a rock outcropping or a large boulder, often a rectangular or irregular black basaltic stone… of numerous baetyls, the best known is the Black-stone of the Ka’aba at Mecca which became the central shrine object in Islam”.[3]
        Encyclopedia Britannica
        There is no denying that the Black Stone was one among many stones and idols venerated at the Ka’aba by the pre-Islamic pagans. The Black Stone was kissed during pre-Islamic pagan worship. ***Though Muhammad threw out 360 other objects at the Ka’aba, he retained this Black Stone and continued the practice of kissing it. It is this same stone that the pre-Islamic pagans once kissed, that Muslims kiss today when visiting Mecca.

        (3) Pagans Prayed 5 times a Day

        ***Pagans prior to Islam would pray five times per day towards Mecca.[4] Muhammad retained for Islam, this pre-Islamic practice, sanctioning it with a story of a night trip to heaven on a mythical beast called al-Buraq. In heaven, the Hadith tells us that Allah demanded 50 prayers per day per Muslim. Upon advice from Moses, Muhammed bargains with Allah and successfully reduces it to five prayers per day.

        (4) Fasting on the 10th of Muharram
        ***Muhammad’s pagan tribe, the Quraish, fasted on the 10th of Muharram. Though optional, Muhammad retained this pagan practice too.

        (5) Tawaf between Safa and Marwa
        ***Doing Tawaf between Safa and Marwa is an Islamic ritual associated with the pilgrimage to Mecca. Safa and Marwa are two mounts, located at Mecca. This ritual entails Muslims walking frantically between the two mounts, seven times. This was originally a pagan pre-Islamic practice. Muhammad retained it for Islam, sanctioning it with yet another Qur’anic revelation.

        (6) Requirement of Ihram
        ***Ihram is a state a Muslim enters into for his pilgrimage to Mecca. It involves a series of procedures like ritual washing, wearing ‘Ihram garments’, etc. Ihram was originally a pagan requirement for worshipping idols during pre-Islamic times. Muhammad retained this practice for Islam. Muslims assume Ihram to perform the Hajj or Umrah.

        (7) Circumambulation 7 Times

        ***In the Islamic ritual of Tawaf, Muslims go around the Kaaba 7 times. In the Hindu marriage rite of Satphere, the married couple goes around a fire also 7 times. In both of these rituals, religious phrases are repeated during the circumambulation.
        Circumambulation is to go in circles around a particular object. In Islam, worshippers and pilgrims do this around the Ka’aba at Mecca. Pre-Islamic pagans used do it to please the moon god Hubal, the 360 deities and Allah (who was merely one among the many deities worshipped there). Muhammad himself used to do it, even before the 360 idols inside the Ka’aba were removed.

        (8) Crescent Moon Symbol and Hubal the Moon God
        ***Hubal was the moon god worshiped at the Ka’aba. The crescent moon was Hubal’s symbol. Muhammad’s pagan grandfather Abd al-Muttalib almost slaughtered Muhammad’s father Abdallah at the Ka’aba, to Hubal.

        The above 8 Significant Pagan practices were adopted by Muhammad into Islamic practice clearly shows the Islam evolved from Quraysh paganism and not from any revelations from the heavens, or from Allah. These are historical facts. This raises the question of the authenticity of the stories of Gabriel’s or Allah’s revelations to Muhammad. My hypothesis is that the Quran is totally a man made document of deceit and lies and Allah is simply a mythical figure based on pagan myths of old.

        Thus the West must regard Islam as a “Supremacist Cult” unworthy of being classed as a religion.

        Reference
        [1] Pagan Origins of Islam: https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Pagan_Origins_of_Islam

    • alex

      mbplee: Christianity..churches still extorting money from individuals to give them heaven passport……………..no money no heaven …..thousand killed by refusing paying churches
      Peasants of Steding (Germany) unwilling to pay suffocating church taxes: between 5,000 and 11,000 men, women and children slain 5/27/1234 near Altenesch/Germany. [WW223]

      • mbplee

        This is where you are wrong. Contributions to the Christian churches are voluntary and have no connection with going to heaven. Besides, there is no such place as heaven.

  81. alex

    mbplee: SHAME…………. COPY/PASTE FROM SAME HATE WEBSITE RUN BY christian missionary.thats your scholarly credentials……………….. shame.let me teach you the truth about Christianity and how Christianity is a paganism………………….have balls to deny…………..

    A message of Christmas…………READ and deny if you can!!!! All the Gods Born to Virgins on December 25 (NOT Jesus Christ) …………………..Trinity―Trinities were popular in pagan sects before Christianity was introduced to the world. Some of the more well known trinity gods included Mithra-Vohu Mana-Rashnu, Amen-Mut-Khonsu, and Osiris-Isis-Horus. …………….. Virgin Birth―Among the pagan cultures that preceded Christianity, virgin birth stories abounded. The long list of pagan gods born of virgins includes: Romulus and Remus, Zoroaster, Buddha, Mithras, Chrishna, Osiris-Aion, Agdistis, Attis, Tammuz, Adonis, Korybas, Perseus, and Dionysus. …………December 25 was an important birthday for many human gods.Most Christians understand Christ was not actually born on this date (biblical scholars believe he was born in the spring, because the Bible mentions shepherds in the fields at the time of his birth). The idea that Christ was born on December 25 doesn’t appear in the historical record until the fourth century A.D.; the earliest Christian writers, such as Origen, Tertullian, Irenaeus, and the gospel authors, are silent on the subject. Late December, the time of the winter solstice (in the Northern Hemisphere, the shortest day and longest night of the year), was full of pagan European celebrations. ………………The Roman Empire declared December 25 a holiday to celebrate the birth of their adopted Syrian god Sol Invictus …………………In 274 A.D. Some 50 years later, Roman Emperor Constantine officially adopted December 25 as the day for celebrating Christ’s birth. Gods Born on December 25 ……………..OSIRIS – EGYPT, before 2500 BC: He came to fulfill the law. Called “KRST,” the “Anointed One.” Born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25th in a cave / manger, with his birth announced by a star and attended by three wise men. Earthly father named “Seb” (translates to “Joseph.”) At age 12 he was a child teacher in the Temple and at 30 he was baptized, having disappeared for 18 years. ……………….Chrishna, of India, born on December 25, 3228 BC, his mother was a virgin, mother’s name was Maia. The name Chrishna means Black or Dark. His uncle, Kamsa, the ruler at the time of his birth sought to kill him (Chrishna) because he had heard a Prophecy that Chrishna would overthrow him. Chrishna escaped death by being smuggled out of the area to safety (sounds like Herod and Jesus does it not?). [COMMENT: Crishna’s story and Jesus’ story fit together like a hand and a glove.] …………………Mithra, of Persia, born on December 25, before 1500 BC, his birth was witnessed by Shepherds that brought gifts to honor him. He was styled as a Mediator between God and Man. Witness this quote from the Encyclopedia Encarta, “Mithraism was similar to Christianity in many respects, for example, in the ideals of humility and brotherly love, baptism, the rite of communion, the use of holy water, the adoration of the shepherds at Mithra’s birth, the adoption of Sundays and of December 25 (Mithra’s birthday) as holy days, and the belief in the immortality of the soul, the last judgment, and the resurrection. Mithraism differed from Christianity in the exclusion of women from its ceremonies and in its willingness to compromise with polytheism. The similarities, however, made possible the easy conversion of its followers to Christian doctrine” (“Mithraism,” Microsoft (R) Encarta. Copyright (c) 1994 Microsoft Corporation. Copyright (c) 1994 Funk & Wagnall’s Corporation). …………….. Horus, of Egypt, born on December 25, before 2500 BC. His mother, Isis, gave birth to him in the swamp, she was warned by the god Thoth, to flee and conceal the child from the evil Set. Buddha, of India, born on December 25, 563 BC, his mother’s name was Maya (similar to Mary) she was a virgin. He was immaculately conceived, and at birth, he announced that he was a savior to the world.. [COMMENT: On the surface, it definitely looks like a coincidence. But when one considers how much of the Buddha’s teaching Jesus claimed as his own, it becomes clear that the whole Buddha story was appropriated my Jesus himself — or at least by his church.] ………………. Beddou (Fot), was a god of the orient born 1027 BC, his mother was a virgin, he was born of royal blood. The king sought to kill him at birth. ……………………… Quetzalcoatl, a god of the Western Hemisphere, was born of a virgin around 900 BC. He sojourned in the wilderness, fasted forty days. Was crucified. He was variously represented as the God of light that struggled against the god of darkness called Tezcatlipoca. ……………………. Hercules, son of the god Zeus, born around 500 BC, predestined by birth to inherit the throne of Argos. Hera, the jealous wife of Zeus desired the throne for another and sought to delay the birth of Hercules, and subsequently tried to kill Hercules while in his crib, by sending two snakes to strangle him. ………………………..Attis, of Phrygia, born around 1200 BC, his mother was a virgin, her name was Nana. He was a shepherd, and reported to have died by self emasculation under a pine tree. He was alleged to have risen from the dead at Easter i.e. The vernal Equinox. ……………………….Tammuz, born before 2600 BC, was hailed as the only begotten son of the god Ea. His mother was a virgin, by the name of Ishtar. As an infant he was hidden in a chest by Aphrodite, the goddess of love and entrusted to Persephone, the goddess of the nether world. Persephone later opened the chest, and was so stricken by the beauty of the babe, that she refused to return the child to Aphrodite.

    • mbplee

      Alex said,”shame.let me teach you the truth about Christianity and how Christianity is a paganism………………….have balls to deny…………..”

      This new topic has no relevance to the current thread BUT

      I do not deny that Christian roots have evolved from pagan and other ancient mythology. So BALLS to you.

      As Muhammad plagiarised so much of Judaism and Christianity from the Torah and the Bible, so too the Quran has been used on these same myths as you yourself will have to admit.

  82. alex

    mbplee: christian worships dead pagan god like pagan used to do in Rome………. 1.a baby born god sucking nipple and spent 9 months in a women womb 2.a circumcise god 3.a god who was a carpenter by profession 4.god who could not save himself on cross and died among two thieves 5.FINALLY GOD DIED……..to pay for you rapist,killer,alcoholic,child molester, adulterers SINS………..

    • mbplee

      Alex, now you are ranting like a madman. When these particular facts are relevant or not is debatable, but I accept that Christianity’s early roots were ancient mythology.

  83. alex

    mbplee PROOF 15 GOOD REASONS WHY YOU SHOULD NEVER BE A CHRISTIAN!

    1 There is not even 1 manuscript or Bible in the language that Jesus taught in. Only Greek or Hebrew manuscripts, Hebrew were burnt by Rome Fact! Would you believe an Arab saying we have the original Quran in Turkish but not Arabic.

    2. It is gross injustice for anyone else to bear the sins of another. Original sin is the most UNJUST sin for any human being especially Christian women.

    3. According to Bible scholars the Bible has more discrepancies than words.

    4. The Bible is so inhumane it advocates Rape, Torture, Genocide, Infanticide, Slave beating, Female degradation to even murdering your own children.

    5. How can someone die for your sins? Are you absolved from sin?

    6. How can 1 God become 3 yet remain 1? Did Jesus pray to himself? 7. Did Jesus ever claim to be God? All prophets were the way of their time.

    8. How can you follow a book that has parts you could never read to a child?

    9. Modern Christianity is and was an expansion of the Roman empire. Most is Saul of Tarsus doctrine.

    10. Jesus came for the Israelite’s not for the whole of mankind.

    11. Christianity was forced upon people by the decaying Roman empire. The Spanish inquisitions & Crusades are proof.

    12. Bible is supposedly Gods law but you could never make it law of the land

    13. The Trinity came into being in 325AD. What of the Christians before then?

    14. Christianity is a religion about Jesus NOT the Religion of Jesus.

    15. Only a satanic God orders the rapist to marry the girl he rapes like the Bible

    • mbplee

      Alex, yes I understand why you are not a Christian. I cannot vouch for the validity of the above 15 statements or discuss them because it is irrelevant to my aims.

  84. alex

    Jesus and the Pagan Gods: The Christian celebration of Easter has always been a good time to contemplate the nature of the gods and the relationships amongst the gods. As a Christian I was led to believe that the ministry of Jesus was a unique event in human history. To put it simply “Jesus was God made flesh,” and to have deity here on this planet as a human was a one-time only thing, never before written about or comprehended. Jesus-God was also able to overcome death, which becomes less shocking when your theology is essentially saying that Jesus is God, but as a kid that sounded pretty amazing.

    In Paganism the idea that Jesus was simply one of many “dying and resurrecting gods” is an often repeated assertion. That particular idea has made its way into a large number of books over the years, and it’s often repeated ad nauseam on the internet, especially around Easter. In the 90’s I took that information as a gospel truth (sorry about the pun there), and found a lot of power in it. Like many Pagans I was searching for some sort of “validation” when it came to my new spirituality, Jesus as a brother/direct descendant of the gods of pagan antiquity worked as that validation.
    Osiris and Isis, from the Louvre. Photo by Rama, CC License.

    Osiris and Isis, from the Louvre. Photo by Rama, CC License.

    The myth of the Dying and Resurrecting God is powerful, and it’s a myth I’ve used time and again in my own rituals. It speaks to my modern existence, and it works in my own cosmologies that revolve around The Wheel of the Year. It’s an effective metaphor at harvest time, and has been the source for several epic battles at the solstices. It also illustrates truths I believe about the gods; namely that the gods love the Earth and her children to such an extent that they would die to keep that Earth in balance.

    If there’s a problem with the myth of the Dying and Resurrecting God it’s that the myth is essentially a modern one. After about a century of gestation the Dying and Resurrecting God was fleshed out in the 1890’s in James Frazer’s seminal work The Golden Bough. In The Golden Bough Frazer argues that Jesus is essentially a carbon-copy of similar deities popular at the start of the Common Era, and the argument is a persuasive one, but sadly it’s not a very accurate one. Frazer’s words on the subject are nearly poetic:

    “These have all received divine honors, have nearly all been worshiped as gods, or sons of Gods; were mostly incarnated as Christs, Saviors, Messiahs, or Mediators; not a few of them were reputedly born of virgins; some of them filling a character almost identical with that ascribed by the Christian’s Bible to Jesus Christ; many of them, like him, are reported to have been crucified; and all of them, taken together furnish a prototype and parallel for nearly every important incident and wonder inciting miracle, doctrine and precept recorded in the new Testament of the Christian’s Savior.”

    but they aren’t an accurate depiction of history.

    Pagan gods were never crucified (a Roman punishment for crimes against the state) and they were all conceived via sex. Sure, that sex was often miraculous, but it was sex. Hercules wasn’t born of a virgin, nor would I want him to be. I’m glad my gods were all having sex. Born of a virgin? No thank you, and you can take your oppression theology when you walk out the door.

    Frazer wrote of gods that died in an annual cycle only to be reborn, but our pagan ancestors didn’t conceive of deity in such a way. Gods either die or return (think of Persephone, she certainly doesn’t die when she comes back to this world from the realm of the dead). In their individual myths they aren’t constantly dying only to be reborn or return from the dead. In The Encyclopedia of Religion historian Dr. Jonathan Z. Smith writes:

    “The category of dying and rising gods, once a major topic in scholarly investigation, must be understood to have been largely a misnomer based on imaganitive reconstructions and exeedingly late or highly ambiguous texts . . .

    All the deities that have been identified as belonging to the class of dying and rising deities can be subsumed under the two larger classes of disappearing deities or dying deities. In the first case the deities return but have not died; in the second case the gods die but do not return. There is no unambiguous instance in the history of religion of a dying and rising deity.” (1)

    So if Jesus wasn’t a “dying and rising deity” in the alleged traditions of Adonis and Tammuz, what is his relationship to the deities of ancient paganism? When Christians argue that Jesus was unique among the gods of the Ancient World they are half right. There are certainly things about Jesus that are radically different from the pagan gods he is often associated with. On the other hand there are many things about Jesus which certainly have their origins with the pagan religions of antiquity. Even though Frazer was mostly wrong, he was right about one thing: without the pagan gods there would be no myth of Jesus the Christ.

    Deity in the flesh. Pagan myth is full of gods that could be seen, touched, and heard. My favorite is Dionysus who spent a lot of time walking around the Mediterranean setting up grape fields and driving those who didn’t worship him literally mad. There are some myths that talk about the god even visiting ancient India. Dionysus and Heracles were both gods that “did stuff” in human bodies and where then eventually made into immortal deities. (In the earliest Christian theologies this is a direct parallel to Jesus who was not originally a part of any “trinity.”)

    Gods who resided in the heavens also came back to Earth in human form as well. One of the best known tales of this sort can be found in Ovid’s Metamorphoses and involves the gods Jupiter and Mercury (Zeus and Hermes). The gods descend to Earth disguised as mortals and ask every house they visit for a meal and a place to sleep; thousand of doors are slammed in their faces. Eventually they stop at the home of the couple Philemon and Baucis, who are poor but welcoming. The gods of course bless the couple and eventually grant them their wish to “die together.” (The gods also destroy the homes of those that refused them a meal, lots of parallels to Yahweh here.) At the moment of their simultaneous death the couple are transformed into two trees sharing one trunk, together forever. Ovid ends his tale with “They now are gods, who served the Gods; To them who worship gave is worship given.” (2)

    Miraculous conceptions. As I wrote earlier pagan gods were not born of virgins, but that doesn’t mean their conceptions were any less fabulous. Just because the Christian conception of Yahweh made sex “icky” doesn’t mean there aren’t parallels. The writers of Matthew and Luke write of Jesus’s conception in the following fashion:

    This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about[d]: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit. (Matthew 1:18)

    The angel said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born[d] will be holy; he will be called Son of God. (Luke 1:35)

    Both quotes taken from the New Revised Standard Edition of The Bible

    The passage in Luke is especially telling. “The Holy Spirit will come upon you” is not that far off from how Zeus visited several young women. The child Perseus was born after Zeus visited Danae as a “golden rain.” The only difference between a golden rain and the Holy Spirit is that Zeus certainly enjoyed his visit a little bit more. Many myths tell of how humans were incapable of directly looking into the face of a god, so the gods had to transform themselves in order to have sex with mortals. Figures from myth weren’t the only children of Zeus either, famous historical personages were also said to be born of unions between gods and mortals. In some histories the father of Alexander the Great is said to be Zeus himself.

    The Roman Emperors as gods. I’ve had Christians tell me that there is only one person in history ever referred to as the “son of god.” Figures like Heracles were always called “son of Zeus” they tell me. That’s true, most gods were identified specifically by their parents, but it’s not true that Jesus was the only person referred to as “son of god,” and he probably wasn’t even the first. That honor belongs to Octavian (63 BCE to 14 CE), Caesar Augustus, who was first hailed as the “Son of God” as early 40 BCE, before he was even emperor. As the adopted son of the deified Julius Caesar it made sense for Augustus to be considered a god, but he was also said to have been the son of Apollo, born ten months after his mother had a tryst with the god in the form of a snake. (3)

    Much like the Jesus, Roman Emperors were seen as both divine and human figures. Truly great Emperors, such as Octavian, were sometimes worshipped during their lifetimes (a thing Octavian was not comfortable with), but most emperors became deities after they had died, by a vote of the Roman Senate. Bad emperors were often denied the status of godhood, but good emperors generally received it. If your predecessor was a god, wouldn’t it make sense that you too were a god in some sort of sense? Going from human emperor to god wasn’t just a “status” thing either, deceased emperors really were worshipped as gods, though gods very low in the hierarchy of deity. (4) That the development of Jesus as “God” ran concurrently with the rise of the Roman Emperors as gods cannot be just a coincidence.

    The Logos or Word. The most mystical and theological of the four gospels in the New Testament is the Book of John, the latest of the four (written between the years 90 and 100 CE) and it has clearly been influenced by (pagan) Platonic philosophy. At the start of his book the author of John writes:

    “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through him, and without him not one thing came into being.” John 1:1-3 from the New Revised Standard Version

    In Platonic philosophy there are two realities. One of those realities was spiritual and the other physical. Deity is seen as spiritual, and that “pure spirit” is unable to have direct contact with the physical. In order to have contact with the world of matter the spiritual needs an intermediary, in Platonic theory that go-between is the Logos, the Greek word for word. In addition to being the intermediary between the two realms, the Logos is something that also exists within ourselves. It’s the little bit that helps us connect to the divine, the realm of spirit. (5)

    In this particular case, Jesus is the Logos (Word) because it’s the only way for a much higher god to interact with humanity. Yahweh can’t possibly visit Earth, so he must send another entity. In religious scholar speak the Logos is a hypostasis, a part of Yahweh, yet also distinct from him. (Wisdom written about in Proverbs Chapter 8, “Does not Wisdom call out? Does not understanding raise her voice?” is another hypostasis.) Ultimately this type of thinking would be referred to as Neo-Platonism, but the author of John

    • mbplee

      Alex, As I said, what you have posted has no relevance to my thread, but I do not challenge or refute what you have stated. That is all ancient history or ancient mythology or ancient religion.

    • mbplee

      Alex, I quote from your text:

      “There are certainly things about Jesus that are radically different from the pagan gods he is often associated with. On the other hand there are many things about Jesus which certainly have their origins with the pagan religions of antiquity. Even though Frazer was mostly wrong, he was right about one thing: without the pagan gods there would be no myth of Jesus the Christ.”

      We have to be very impartial and discerning when we study the early origins of religion and are able to separate fact from fiction(myth), history from mythology, and scientific possibilities and legends. But in order to separate fact from blind faith we have to be open-minded and not bigoted. The evidence is all there for those who look for it and are not blinded with bigotry. I totally accept that the bigots of their faith are so blinded that they will never see the truth even if you put it before their noses.

      Thus I totally agree with, “without the pagan gods there would be no myth of Jesus the Christ.” All the Abrahamic Faiths, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, have evolved out of the myths of more ancient religious myths. All gods of all religious faiths are the contrivance of the human mind from the legends of ancient myths and no one has been able to prove otherwise.

    • mbplee

      flawedrus, Satan is a mythical figure. Allah was/is a mythical figure. The Quran is a book of myths and ancient legends. Prove otherwise and convince me. Humans are gullible.

  85. alex

    mbplee: you are real christian missionary……..lair
    bible is a book of erotic,violence,rape,murder,slavery story book

    • mbplee

      Alex, The Bible is a collection of sacred texts or scriptures that Jews and Christians consider to be a product of divine inspiration and a record of the relationship between God and humans.

      If you read more or less in the Bible, that is your problem.

      The Quran literally meaning “the recitation”; also romanized Qur’an or Koran[c]) is the central religious text of Islam, which Muslims believe to be a revelation from God (Allah).[1] It is widely regarded as the finest work in classical Arabic literature. The Quran is divided into chapters (surah in Arabic), which are then divided into verses (ayah).
      Muslims believe that the Quran was verbally revealed by God to Muhammad through the angel Gabriel (Jibril), gradually over a period of approximately 23 years, beginning on 22 December 609 CE,[8] when Muhammad was 40, and concluding in 632, the year of his death.[1][9][10] Muslims regard the Quran as the most important miracle of Muhammad, a proof of his prophethood,[11] and the culmination of a series of divine messages that started with the messages revealed to Adam and ended with Muhammad. The word “Quran” occurs some 70 times in the text of the Quran, although different names and words are also said to be references to the Quran.[12]
      According to the traditional narrative, several companions of Muhammad served as scribes and were responsible for writing down the revelations.[13] Shortly after Muhammad’s death, the Quran was compiled by his companions who wrote down and memorized parts of it.[14] These codices had differences that motivated the Caliph Uthman to establish a standard version now known as Uthman’s codex, which is generally considered the archetype of the Quran known today. There are, however, variant readings, with mostly minor differences in meaning.[13]
      The Quran assumes familiarity with major narratives recounted in the Biblical scriptures. It summarizes some, dwells at length on others and, in some cases, presents alternative accounts and interpretations of events.[15][16][17] The Quran describes itself as a book of guidance. It sometimes offers detailed accounts of specific historical events, and it often emphasizes the moral significance of an event over its narrative sequence.[18][19] The Quran is used along with authentic and reliable hadith to interpret sharia law.[20] During prayers, the Quran is recited only in Arabic.[21]
      Someone who has memorized the entire Quran is called a hafiz. Quranic verse (ayah) is sometimes recited with a special kind of elocution reserved for this purpose, called tajwid. During the month of Ramadan, Muslims typically complete the recitation of the whole Quran during tarawih prayers. In order to extrapolate the meaning of a particular Quranic verse, most Muslims rely on exegesis, or tafsir.

      Comment: “Muslims believe that the Quran was verbally revealed by God to Muhammad through the angel Gabriel
      This is only hearsay and no one has ever proven it. So it is in all probability mythical in origins.

      • ALEX

        HERE IS your SACRED Bible order for you to drink urine and eat shit.FOLLOW YOUR BIBLE as commandeered by your dead god……

        Drink waters out of thine own cistern, and running waters out of thine own well.Let them be only thine own, and not strangers’ with thee.(Proverbs 5:15-17)

        But Rab-shakeh said unto them, Hath my master sent me to thy master, and to thee, to speak these words? Hath he not sent me to the men which sit on the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you? (2 Kings 18:27)

        And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight.(Ezekiel 4:12)

        A sacred scripture can’t have this crap…………………PERIOD

    • mbplee

      Alex, here is some information for you:

      While the devout Muslim believes with all of his heart that the rituals and doctrines of Islam are entirely heavenly in origin and thus cannot have any earthly sources, Middle East scholars have demonstrated beyond all doubt that every ritual and belief in Islam can be traced back to pre-Islamic Arabian culture.

      In other words Muhammad did not preach anything new. Everything he taught had been believed and practiced in Arabia long before he was ever born. Even the idea of “only one God” was borrowed from the Jews and the Christians.

      Arabian Sources

      The Quran repeats fanciful Arabian fables as if they were true.
      “Arabic legends about the fabulous jinns fill its pages” (G.G. Pfander, Balance of Truth, pp. 283).
      “The story of the she-camel who leapt out of a rock and became a prophet was known long before Muhammad” (Suras 7:73-77,85; 91:14; 54:29).
      The story of an entire village of people who were turned into apes because they broke the sabbath by fishing was a popular legend in Muhammad’s day (Suras 2:65; 7:163-166).
      The gushing 12 springs story found in Sura 2:60 comes from pre-Islamic legends.
      In what is called the “Rip Van Winkle” story, seven men and their animals slept for 309 years in a cave and then woke up perfectly fine (Sura 18:9-26)! This legend is found in Greek and Christian fables as well as Arabian lore.
      The fable of the pieces of four dead, cut-up birds getting up and flying was well known in Muhammad’s time (Sura 2:260).
      It is also clear that Muhammad used such pre-Islamic literature as the Saba Moallaqat of Imra’ul Cays in his composition of Suras 21:96; 29:31,46; 37:59; 54:1, and 93:1.

      Jewish Sources

      Many of the stories in the Quran come from the Jewish Talmud, the Midrash, and many apocryphal works.

      This was pointed out by Abraham Geiger in 1833, and further documented by another Jewish scholar, Dr. Abraham Katsh, of New York University, in 1954 (The Concise Dictionary of Islam, p. 229; Jomier, The Bible and the Quran — Henry Regency Co., Chicago, 1959, 59ff; Sell, Studies, pp. 163ff.; Guillaume, Islam, p. 13).

      The source of Sura 3:35-37 is the fanciful book called The Protevangelion’s James the Lesser.
      The source of Sura 87:19 is the Testament of Abraham.
      The source of Sura 27:17-44 is the Second Targum of Esther.
      The fantastic tale that God made a man “die for a hundred years” with no ill effects on his food, drink, or donkey was a Jewish fable (Sura 2:259ff.).
      The idea that Moses was resurrected and other material came from the Jewish Talmud (Sura 2:55, 56, 67).
      The story in Sura 5:30,31 can also be found in pre-Islamic works from Pirke Rabbi Eleazer, the Targum of Jonathan ben Uzziah and the Targum of Jerusalem.
      The tale of Abraham being delivered from Nimrod’s fire came from the Midrash Rabbah (see Suras 21:51-71; 29:16, 17; 37:97,98). It must be also pointed out that Nimrod and Abraham did not live at the same time. Muhammad was always mixing people together in the Quran who did not live at the same time.
      The non-biblical details of the visit of the Queen of Sheba (Saba) in Sura 27:20-44 came from the Second Targum of the Book of Esther.
      The source of Sura 2:102 is no doubt the Midrash Yalkut (chapter 44).
      The story found in Sura 7:171 of God lifting up Mount Sinai and holding it over the heads of the Jews as a threat to squash them if they rejected the law came from the Jewish book Abodah Sarah.
      The story of the making of the golden calf in the wilderness, in which the image jumped out of the fire fully formed and actually mooed (Suras 7:148; 20:88), came from Pirke Rabbi Eleazer.
      The seven heavens and hells described in the Quran came from the Zohar and the Hagigah.
      Muhammad utilized the Testament of Abraham to teach that a scale or balance will be used on the day of judgment to weigh good and bad deeds in order to determine whether one goes to heaven or hell (Suras 42:17; 101:6-9).

      Heretical Christian Sources

      One of the most documented and damaging facts about the Quran is that Muhammad used heretical “Christian” Gnostic gospels and their fables for material in the Quran.

      Encyclopedia Britannica comments: “The gospel was known to him chiefly through apocryphal and heretical sources” (15:648).
      This has been demonstrated many times by various scholars (Richard Bell, Introduction to the Quran, pp. 163ff. See also: Bell, The Origin of Islam in Its Christian Environment, pp. 110ff, 139ff; Sell, Studies, pp. 216ff. See also Tisdall and Pfander).

      For example, in Suras 3:49 and 100:11O, the baby Jesus speaks from the cradle! Later on, the Quran has Jesus making clay birds come alive.
      The Bible tells us that the first miracle Jesus did was at the wedding at Cana (John 2:11).

      Muhammad and his scribes plagiarised much of the Quran from others.

      • ALEX

        CHILD BRIDE IN CHRISTIANITY: Bible: Child Marriage in Ancient Israelite times – Pedophilia?

        ****************Rabbi Solomon in his comment on Genesis, says that Rebecca, when she was married to Isaac, was but three Years of Age.************ By Discover The Truth • September 14, 2013 In Biblical times people were married at a very young age.

        Girls were usually betrothed before they reached puberty – majority of the time the marriage would have consummated when the girl reached puberty, and that was usually between the ages of 8, 9 or older,(Note: when a girl reached puberty prior to the 20th century, she was considered to be an adult in most cultures/societies).

        In this article I will mostly quote Scholarly sources to prove that marriage in ancient Israelite times took place at a very young age, sometimes the girls who were married off were pre-pubescent. There was no law against a pre-pubescent girl being married off. Actually as you will read further, you will come to realise that the Mishnah gave approval for a Man to have intercourse to a betrothed girl, any-time after the age of three years old.

        Related Articles: 12 year old Mary’s marriage with 90 year old Joseph the Carpenter Bible sanctions pre-pubescent marriages (child marriage) Age of Consent in European & American History Isaac’s wife was Rebecca, mother of Jacob, and Esua.

        According to calculations made by Rabbi Solomon Itzhaki (A.K.A. Rashi a well-known respected Jewish Scholar), Rebecca was three years old when she married Isaac. 1. Rashi’s commentary on Genesis 25:20 says: forty years old: For when Abraham came from Mount Moriah, he was informed that Rebecca had been born. Isaac was then thirty-seven years old, for at that time Sarah died, and from the time that Isaac was born until the “Binding” [of Isaac], when Sarah died, were thirty-seven years, for she was ninety years old when Isaac was born, and one hundred and twenty-seven when she died, as it is stated (above 23:1): “The life of Sarah was [a hundred and twenty-seven years.”] This makes Isaac thirty-seven years old, and at that time,

        Rebecca was born. He waited for her until she would be fit for marital relations-three years-and then married her.— [From Gen. Rabbah 57:1 [Retrieved it from this website: http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/8220/showrashi/true%5D 2. Also Johann Buxtorf cites Rashi that Rebecca was three years old when she married Isaac. “Rabbi Solomon in his comment on Genesis, says that Rebecca, when she was married to Isaac, was but three Years of Age. His words run thus, ‘When Abraham was come from Mount Moria, he received the joyful News of Rebecca. Isaac was at that Time Thirty seven years old; and then did Sarah die. The time, from birth of Isaac to the death of Sarah, was Thirty seven Years, And Sarah was Ninety Years old when Isaac was born; and One Hundred and Twenty Seven Years old when she died: As it is said in Gen 23:1 .

        Sarah was one hundred and twenty-seven years old. Behold, the Age of Isaac was Thirty Seven Years, at the Time of the Birth of Rebecca. And when he had waited for her three Years, till she was fit for marriage, he took her to wife.” According to this Account, Rebecca was a very notable Girl at three years of age. But that a girl of three Years old is fit for marriage, is maintained very plainly in the Jewish writings; particularly, in Emek Hamelech, in the following passage, ‘our blessed sags, of blessed memory, say, that a female is not fit for marriage, ‘till she is arrived at the Age of three years and one day.’ The Talmud supports these Sages here, in the part entitled Avoda Sara. And the Sanhedrin says, A daughter, who is of the age of three years and one day, is, by being bedded with a Man, lawfully married.” [1] Before going any further, one of the objections raised by some Jewish and most Christian Apologist is that they say, “how can a three year old fetch water out of a well?” They further say, “a girl of that age could not do that she must be a lot older than three.”

        These statements do not disapprove anything. The way they make it seem, as if it is impossible for a girl to pull 1, 2 letters of water. Any three old girl could pull 1, 2 letters of water out of a well. 3. In addition to what we have already brought forth on Isaac’s marriage to Rebecca, The Zohar, which is Translated/Commentary by Daniel Chanan Matt also makes mention that Isaac married Rebecca when she was three years old. 51. “She was three years old when he embraced her the youngest legal age a female can be-married. See M Niddah 5:4; Seder Olam Rabbah 1; Soferim, add. 1:4 Rashi on Genesis 25:20 Tosafot, Yevamot 61b, s.v. ve-khen; sekhe; Tov, Genesis 24:14.

        Rebekah’s three years correspond to the three colors of the rainbow. 52. He engendered at sixty, generating fittingly… see Genesis 25:26. When Isaac fathered Jacob he was sixty years old, symbolizing the full sextet of sefirot from hesed through Yesod, thereby ensuring that Jacob would be complete. [2] As you have read it is quite clear, a fact that Rebecca married Isaac when she was three years old. Furthermore, we have more evidence from Judaic Holy Book ‘Mishnah’, it gives more weight to the above references that girls as young as three years old were allowed to be betrothed by intercourse at the age of three.

        Although in Ancient Hebrew marriages girls were recommend to be married at the age of 12, there are laws in the Mishnah that give approval that once betrothed you can have sexual intercourse any-time after the age of three years old. 4. Jacob Neusner is an American academic scholar of Judaism. In the Book: ‘The Comparative Hermeneutics of Rabbinic Judaism: Seder Tohorot. Tohorot through Uqsin.’ The Jewish oral Torah i.e. Mishnah states, M. 5:4 A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse.

        And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And they are laible on her account because of the law [Prohibiting intercourse with] a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her [when she is menstruating] to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer. [If] she was married to a priest, she eats heave offering. [If] one of those who are unfit [for marriage] has intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into priesthood. [If] one of all those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her, he is put to death on her account, but she is free of responsibility. [3] 5.

        A Commentary on the above verse, in the Book: ‘A history of the Mishnaic Law of Purities. 15. Niddah. by Jacob Neusner, it says: M. 5:4-5 bring us to the next stage in the matter of the legal status of children, female and male. The girl three years and one day old is deemed capable of sexual relations, which accounts for A, B, and C. D. Presumably should not apply to M. 5:3-a; if the girl is unclean as a menstruant but is incapable of sexual relations, one who has (or attempts) relations with her is not made unclean as is one who has had sexual relations with a menstruant. E simply goes over familiar ground; since the girl can be acquired as a wife, she also may eat heave-offering. F. Follows, and G. Repeats what is already obvious. But H limits the matter.

        The girl is not held responsible in a matter of forbidden sexual relations. I is a minor gloss. If the girl is less than three years and one day old, we do not regard the sexual relationship as of legal consequence. The theory is that the tokens of Virginity are restored before that time but not afterword. [4] 6.

        The Anglican Priest Herbert Danby in the Book: ‘The Mishnah: Translated from the Hebrew with Introduction and Brief Explanatory notes.’ It says that a girl of three years old and one day could be betrothed by the brother’s husband and he can have intercourse with her. “A girl three years old and one day may be betrothed by intercourse; her deceased childless husband’s brother can acquire her by intercourse; and by connexion with her a man can be culpable by virtue of the Law of a married woman; and him that has connexion with her [while she is a menstruant] she renders unclean so that he conveys uncleanness to what is beneath him in like degree as [he that has a flux conveys uncleanness] to what lies above him’

        if she married to a priest she may eat of Heave-offering; if one that is ineligible has connexion with her he renders her ineligible for marriage with a priest; if any of the forbidden degrees prescribed in the Law had connexion with her they are put to death on her account, but she is not culpable. If she is younger than this, it is as one that puts a finger in the eye.” [5]

  86. mbplee

    Alex, what has this to do with, “Whoever Kill a Person…” or to do with Islam?

    Afaic, all Holy Books are written by Man. God had nothing to do with it because God/s are mythical figures and have no influence on human kind.

    SYNOPSIS:

    Almost every religion in the world depends on a holy book.
    Some religions have several forms of scripture.
    Often these books have been ascribed to supernatural sources.
    At least there was some claim of divine inspiration.
    If we reject all claims of the supernatural origin of religious writings,
    we probably have no given body of doctrine or dogma we must believe.
    But this leaves us free to read all books
    that might become important for our own spiritual quests.
    What can we learn from the holy books of the world
    —even if we do not believe they were written by supernatural beings?

    Most of the world’s religions have one or more sacred books.
    And usually they claim some form of divine authorship of these books.
    But in most cases the world’s religions do not agree
    that the holy books of the other religions are equally sacred or inspired.

    The most authoritarian forms of organized religion
    have the tallest tales to tell about how their scriptures came into being.
    In some cases these claims amount to saying
    that their holy books were written personally by their gods.
    More subtle claims explain how the human authors were inspired by gods.

    Educated and intelligent people everywhere
    cannot accept claims of gods writing books literally.
    Did the gods write with quill pens?
    And why did these gods always write in the languages
    of the people who claim the holy books?

    Those who believe otherwise are gullible ignoramouses

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/aws-website-jamesleonardpark—freelibrary-3puxk/CY-BOOKS.html

    • alex

      CHRISTIANITY Sexuality A Survey Of Evil
      X-RATED CHRISTIANITY

      Ezekiel 23:20:
      There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals(PENIS) were like
      those of donkeys and whose emission(EJACULATION) was like that of horses

      Ezekiel 23:8…She did not give up the prostitution she began in Egypt, when
      during her youth men slept with her, caressed her virgin bosom and
      poured out their lust on her.
      Ezekiel 23:5: “Oholah engaged in prostitution while she was still mine;
      and she lusted after her lovers, the Assyrians—warriors
      Ezekiel 23:9… “Therefore I delivered her into the hands of her lovers,
      the Assyrians, for whom she lusted. 10 They stripped her naked, took
      away her sons and daughters and killed her with the sword.

      Ezekiel 23:3..They became prostitutes in Egypt, engaging in prostitution
      from their youth. In that land their breasts were fondled and their
      virgin bosoms caressed.

      GENESIS:

      19:1-8 Rape virgins instead of male angels

      19:30-38 Righteous man impregnates his 2 daughters while drunk

      24:2-3, 9 Place your hand “under the thigh” (sexual organs) of someone swearing sacred oaths

      25:1-6 Keeping mistresses is not adultery

      32:25 God grabs Jacob’s testicles

      34:1-31 Brothers are riled when sister is defiled

      35:2 Reuben sleeps with father’s concubine

      38:12-30 Tamar plays the harlot to seduce father-in-law

      39:1-20 Women tries to rape man

      47:29 Joseph ordered to place his hand under father’s thigh

      EXODUS:

      20:26 God specifies building of altar to prevent exposure of nakedness

      33:17-23 God moons Moses

      NUMBERS:

      31:1-18; 28-47 God commands genocide of Midianites, Moses orders that virgins be kept, other captives
      slain

      5:11-31 God’s fidelity test for women only

      LEVITICUS:

      12:1-8 Bible calls childbirth a sin and bearing females a greater sin than bearing males

      15:16-18 Sperm and intercourse are unclean

      15:19-33 Menstruation unclean; elaborate rules

      15:29-30
      Women must make sin offering for menstrual periods

      19:1,20-22 Man gets forgiven, slave girl gets flogging

      Song of Songs 8:1-3 “If only you were to me like a brother, who was
      nursed at my mother’s breasts!Then, if I found you outside, I would kiss
      you, and no one would despise me. I would lead you and bring you to my
      mother’s house– she who has taught me
      (how to be a slut?). I would give you spiced wine to drink [i.e., her
      vagina’s wet!], the nectar of my pomegranates. His left arm is undermy
      head and his right arm embraces me.”

      Song of Solomon 8:10 “Dear brothers, I’m a walled-in virgin still, but my breasts are full— And when my
      lover sees me, he knows he’ll soon be satisfied.”

      Song of Songs 4:5 “Your two breasts are like two fawns, like twin fawns of a gazelle that browse
      among the lilies.”

      Song of Songs 1:13 “My lover is to me a sachet of myrrh resting between my breasts.”

  87. mbplee

    Alex, so what does that prove? Absolutely NOTHING.

    • alex

      so what you are trying to prove?????????????? christian missionary

      • mbplee

        Alex, quoting is not an argument. You have made no points in your quotes. You rant like a madman who has found some dirty words to show the world.

      • mbplee

        alex, instead of wasting so much of your time looking up Biblical verses to highlight, you should spend more time proving to yourself that Allah did not evolved from the Quraysh Tribe’s Allah, Hubal the Moon God, or that the Moon Crescent that sits on top a all Mosques does not reflect abeyance to Hubal the Moon God, or The Qur’an further states that Allah created the sun, the moon, and the planets, each with their own individual courses or orbits.

        “It is He Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon; all (the celestial bodies) swim along, each in its rounded course” (21:33).
        The Qur’an states that

        “Allah created the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them, in six days” (7:54). Or

        “It is He Who has created you from dust then from a sperm-drop, then from a leech-like clot; then does he get you out (into the light) as a child: then lets you (grow and) reach your age of full strength; then lets you become old,- though of you there are some who die before;- and lets you reach a term appointed; in order that you may learn wisdom.” [40:67]

        If you believe that all the above are true, then your sense of logic is lacking.

        Think on the above and then decide on the origins of Islam. Is the Quran the word of Allah or the Word of Muhammad? only then will you begin to see the truth of your religion.

  88. mbplee

    Alex here is a definition of :missionary”
    “missionary
    ˈmɪʃ(ə)n(ə)ri/Submit
    noun
    1.
    a person sent on a religious mission, especially one sent to promote Christianity in a foreign country.
    synonyms: evangelist, apostle, proselytizer, preacher, televangelist, minister, priest; More

    If you read my blogs at https://mbplee.wordpress.com/wp-admin/edit.php your definition cannot apply. It shows your poor judgement of character I do not practice bigotry like you do. In fact bigotry is a misnomer for you. More accurately you are “A VERBAL ISLAMIC JIHADIST.” But what is pathetic about it is that you are so gullible you cannot distinguish the differences between Islamic Myths and Islamic Lies. You do not even know the true origins of Islam, which evolved from ancient myths. Pathetic.

    • alex

      instead of wasting other times in this stupid talks and propagating christian missionary work.
      you tell me
      when the word Christianity used first in history?
      when Jesus was declared god?
      what is different between “HORUS” and “Jesus”
      why christian committing idolatry?
      what was the bible Jesus used to preach from?
      why 4 bibles?
      bring me the answer and i will answer your lies…………….

      • mbplee

        alex, your researches have led you to discover some of the early origins of Christianity. Good for you. Now you should spend the same amount of energy researching the origins of Islam and see the connection of Islam with the mythology of early Quraysh god Allah, the Moon god of the Quraysh tribe, Hubal. You will find that Islam too evolved from pagan mythology and pagan rituals. But let me tell you about the evolution of Christianity as I see it happened in all probability, although probably unacceptable to most Christians:

        “This article is an attempt to piece together data that would show that Christianity evolved from pagan Egyptian mythology.

        (1)       Scientifically it is totally unsound i.e. creation was beyond the limits of early man’s imagination and many absurdities were introduced, including creation of the universe and the creation of Man.

        (2)       You have not even attempted to identify the writer of the Gospels, let alone the Bible. Who were they, and what were their credentials? Most were a collection of anonymous contributions put together by scribes because it fitted the scene, with no historical basis or authenticity. Some prophecy were chance coincidences. For example Adam and Eve never happened, Noah’s ark is an impossibility and an absurd legend, and the story of the Gospels were modifications of Egyptian legends.

        (3)       Although both of us reject the concept of the Christian Trinity, the concept of the Trinity was prevalent in Egyptian traditions for centuries before The Trinity of Emperor Constantine but on different grounds. I base mine on the traditions of Osiris, Isis and Horus.

        (4)       The historicity of Moses was never proved, so his Tablets from Heaven were legends.

        (5)       Gerald Massey, a famous Egyptologist, in his book, “The Christ Conspiracy” shows that much of aspects of Horus has been plagiarised by the Gospel writers. Did you know:

        (6)       Horus was born on “December 25th” (winter solstice) in a manger.

        (7)       Horus was of royal descent, and his mother was the “virgin Isis-Mery.”

        (8)       Horus’s birth was announced by a star in the East and attended by three “wise men.”

        (9)       Horus at the age of 12 was a child teacher in the Temple, and at 30, he was baptised.

        (10)  Horus was baptised by “Anup the Baptiser,” who was decapitated.

        (11)  The Egyptian god Horus had 12 companions, helpers or disciples.

        (12)  Horus performed miracles, exocised demons and raised Osiris from the dead.

        (13)  Horus walked on water.

        (14)  Horus was “crucified” between two “thieves.”

        (15)  Horus (or Osiris) was buried for three days in a tomb and resurrected.

        (16)  Horus/Osiris was also the “Way, the Truth, the Life,” “Messiah,” the “Son of Man.” The “Good Shepherd,” the “Lamb of God,” the “Word made flesh,” the “Word of Truth,” etc.

        (17)  Horus’s personal epithet was “Iusa,” the “ever-becoming son” of the Father. He was called “Holy Child,” as well as “the Anointed One,” while Osiris was the KRST.

        (18)  Horus battled with the “evil one,” Set/Seth.

        (19)  Horus was to reigh for one thousand years.

        These features of Horus are virtually identical to major elements in the story of Jesus Christ as found in the New Testament and in Christian traditions. There are too many traits to be able to claim that these are simply accidental coincidences. All of Horus traits precede the  Christian era by millennia. It is very difficult to claim originality, or divinity of the Gospels because of these archaeological findings amongst the Pyramid texts, the Coffin texts, and the Book of the Dead is proven to so precise and irrefutable

        The Impossibility of Noah’s Ark

        Is it possible, in spite of the current scientific knowledge, that 60% of the 307 million Americans – some 184.2 million people – actually believe the Biblical account of Noah’s ark to be literally true?  

        http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/6222/do-the-majority-of-americans-take-the-noahs-ark-story-from-the-bible-literally

         

      • alex

        there is no mythology in Islam…………….nor a scholar born in planet earth which relates islam to any ancient mythology……………..
        religions don’t evolve………………… compare Islamic teachings to the teachings of Moses,Abraham,Isaac,Jacob and even Jesus…………….all were preaching same thing
        Christianity in present form is not the religion of Jesus but about Jesus………..

        first commandment says”I am the Lord thy God! Thou shalt have no other Gods but me!”
        ISLAM full fills this command……by worshiping only one God

        in qurna ALLAH declared” Or were you witnesses when death approached Ya’qub (Jacob)? When he said unto his sons, “What will you worship after me?” They said, “We shall worship your Ilah (God – Allah), the Ilah (God) of your fathers, Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma’il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), One Ilah (God), and to Him we submit (in Islam).” 002:133

        Remember ISMAEL was the son of ABRAHAM and the ancestor of MUHAMMAD(PBUH)………..so that why Islam is an Abrahamic religion.

        the “ONENESS” of GOD is essential part of all Abrahamic religions……………….the same way Abraham destroyed the idols in temple…………….the same way MUHAMMAD(PBUH) destroyed 360 idols from holy KABBA and forbid ever had any idols for Muslims……………..so Muslims not even allowed to have photo of MUHAMMAD(PBUH) ……………..IDOLATORY is unforgivable SIN in Islam……………………..simply throw person out of Islam.

  89. mbplee

    alex, All religions are a collection of myths. I refer you to:

    “Islamic mythology is the body of traditional narratives associated with Islam from a mythographical perspective. Many Muslims believe that these narratives are historical and sacred and contain profound truths. These traditional narratives include, but are not limited to, the stories contained in the Qur’an.”
    http://schools-wikipedia.org/wp/i/Islamic_mythology.htm

    The Myth of Ishmael;

    Was Prophet Mohammad Descended from Ishmael? NO!

    Dr Rafat Amari, asks, “Is Mohammed A Descendent of Ishmael?” [25] This raises some very revealing facts that needs serious consideration. Most Muslims have accepted the genealogy produced by Ibn Ishak written around 770-775 BE but it was not based on facts. It was more likely to have been a political treatise.

    ***Mohammad’s tribe lived in Saba-Yemen. The chief of Mohammad’s family, the Sabaean Yemeni family, Qusayy bin Kilab, an 8th ancestor of Mohammad, made an alliance with several neighbouring Yemeni families to form a much stronger and stable tribe of the Quraish in the 5th Century CE. Soon after that they migrated to Mecca, a city that was already built by the Khuzzaa’h tribe a century before. ***The Quraish remained in the Yemen until the 5th century CE and thus could not have had any contact with the Ishmaelites, specifically the tribe of Nebaioth, at any time of their history as ***the Ishmaelites who lived as nomads in the deserts of Sinai in the Fertile Crescent, became extinct and no longer remained as a tribe 1,100 years before. ***The Quraish tribe could not have had any contact with the Ishmaeli tribe before their demise. Thus the claim of the Quraish tribe’s ancestry to Ishmael is doubtful especially in the light of the lack of documentary or archeological evidence. All evidence points against a connection. It was also common for prophets in the early centuries to claim antiquity and credence by claims of being descendant to well known Biblical figures whose stories and legends preceded by several centuries.

    “Amru bin al-As wrote:

    “Mohammed genealogized himself regarding his ancestor until he reached al-Natyher bin Kenaneh, then he said, “anyone who claimed otherwise of added further ancestors, has lied”

    By this, Mohammed confessed that neither he, nor anyone else, knew about his ancestors beyong al-Nather bin Kinaneh. Nather bin Kinaneh is the 17th ancestor of the genealogy which Mohammed recognized prior to Maad, who some suggested, was the 4th ancestor prior to al-Nather bin Kinaneh. When we look at the ancestors of Mohammed, it’s reasonable to estimate 30 years for each generation of the 17 ancestors of Mohammed.” [25]

    In fact, archeologists and historians have estimated that a generation during the period of Abraham through to Mohammad is more like 20 years which even compounds the confusion. While the Old and New Testaments traces the history and contain the records of the Jewish and Christian people, providing valuable genealogical records, in documented form, such records are not available for Muslims. Most of the early records and history and ideologies, including the hadiths of Islam are handed down verbally and not recorded till hundreds of years after Mohammed’s death from verbal testimonies. This is a reflection of the general illiteracy of the desert tribal people who had to learn the Koran and the Hadiths through repetitative recitation, in order to understand and practice their religion.

    Evolvement

    The Kaaba was the sacred place of worship of Pagan Arabs, but evolved into the sacred place of worship of Islam even if Islam has adopted most of the pagan ritualisms.

    Pre-Islam Pagan Rituals of most Arabs including the Quraish Tribe

    As already stated earlier, Arabs were religious people long before Moses, or Jesus or Mohammed. In order to visualise the culture of the Arabs who were polytheists, having the chief god, Ra, the sun god as the supremo, we have to read an extract of the book by Abdul Hameed Siddiqui , “The Life of Mohammed” that depicts the gods of the Quraish tribe.

    “The Quraysh also had several idols in and around the Ka’bah. The greatest of these was Hubal (The Moon God). It was carved out of red agate, in the form of a man with the right hand broken off. It stood inside the Ka’bah.

    The idol of Hubal was widely venerated by the Arabs, especially by the people of Mecca. It was the same idol which Abu Sufyan ibn Harb addressed when he emerged victorious after the battle of Uhud saying: “Hubal! be though exalted (i.e. may thy religion triumph).” At this the Prophet replied: “Allah is more Exalted, and more Majestic.”

    So even today, Muslims will build modern Mosques but always topped with the Crescent Moon in respect to Hubal, the Moon God. Islam evolved from the Moon God.

    alex, You talk such nonsense and with such ignorance of history.

    • alex

      ………..Jesus is actually Horus………….did you ever read history??????

      ………. HORUS Was born of the virgin Isis-Meri in December 25th in a cave

      His earthly father was named “Seb” (“Joseph”).

      He Was baptized in the river Eridanus or Iaurutana (Jordan) by “Anup the Baptizer” (John the Baptist) who was decapitated.

      He had 12 disciples, two of whom were his “witnesses” and were named “Anup” and “AAn” (the two “Johns”).

      He performed miracles, exorcized demons and raised El-Azarus (“El-Osiris”) from the dead.Horus walked on water.

      He delivered a “Sermon on the Mount” He came to fulfill the Law.

      He was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, was resurrected.

      Titles: Way, the Truth the Light; Messiah; God’s Anointed Son; Son of Man; Good Shepherd; Lamb of God; Word made flesh; Word of Truth.

      He Was called “the KRST” or “Anointed One.”

      ************************NOW DO THE MATH***********************

      • mbplee

        alex, You are so mixed up, no wonder you are gullible.

        “Horus is the name of a sky god “in ancient Egyptian mythology” which designates primarily two deities: Horus the Elder (or Horus the Great), the last born of the first five original gods, and Horus the Younger, the son of Osiris and Isis. According to the historian Jimmy Dunn, “Horus is the most important of the avian deities” who takes on so many forms and is depicted so differently in various inscriptions that “it is nearly impossible to distinguish the ‘true’ Horus. Horus is mostly a general term for a great number of falcon deities” (2). While this is certainly true, the name ‘Horus’ will usually be found to designate either the older god of the first five or the son of Isis and Osiris who defeated his uncle Set and restored order to the land.”

        The key words are, “in Ancient Egyptian Mythology.” MYTHOLOGY! MYTHOLOGY! MYTHOLOGY!

        And as I have pointed out before, Christianity, Judaism evolved from these earlier mythologies. There is no mystery there nor some new discovery. It is all on the internet.

    • alex

      mbplee
      Was Prophet Mohammad Descended from Ishmael? NO!…YES
      The twelve tribes of Israel are from Jacob’s 12 sons. Jacob or Yacoob is another name for Israel. Israel’s father was Isaac. Isaac’s father was Abraham. Abraham had another son named Ismael, who was the brother of Isaac. Ismael was from Hajar while Isaac was from Sarah. Ismael and Hajar settled in Makkah when Abraham left them there. Abraham would visit them and him and Ismael (aka Ishmael) built the Kaba together in Makkah.

      The Prophet Mohammed is a descendant on Prophet Abraham through the lineage of Prophet Ismael. While the 12 sons of Prophet Israel (Inc Yousuf n Benjamin) were the descendants of Prophet Abraham through Prophet Isaac. The 12 tribes gave rise to the Jews and numerous Prophets such as David and Solomon and others, and some say no tribe was sent as many Prophets by God as were the Jews.
      KABA was established by ABRAHAM.long before MUHAMMAD(PBH) and used to worship pagan ARAB idols!!!!!!!!!!!
      Jewish Rabbi admits Islam is the oldest religion\monotheist religion

      Jewish Professor Admits All Prophets Were Muslim

      • mbplee

        alex, fyour historical facts are all false and inaccurate.

        It is impossible for Mohammad to have been a descendent of Ishmael.

        Muslims believe that Mohammed is a descendant of Ishmael. As proof of their position, Muslims refer to genealogies written around 770-775 A.D. by Ibn Ishak. What he has written is simply not true. Ishmaelite tribes, especially the tribe of Nebaioth from which, according to Ibn Ishak, Mohammed is said to have come, were nomadic tribes who lived in the Sinai and Fertile Crescent deserts. These tribes disappeared after the 7th century B.C. Mohammed’s family was a Sabaean Yemeni family, while the Ishmaelites, who lived in the deserts of the Fertile Crescent, became extinct many centuries before Mohammed’s family left Yemen.

        Historians say that the family of Mohammed was a family which lived in Saba-Yemen. In the 5th century A.D., Qusayy Bin Kilab, the 8th ancestor of Mohammed, gathered an alliance of many Yemeni families forming Quraish, the tribe from which Mohammed later came. These families only came to occupy Mecca in the 5th century A.D. The city of Mecca was built by the tribe of Khuzaa’h in the 4th century A.D. Mohammed’s family is not connected to any Ishmaelite tribe because Mohammed’s family didn’t leave Yemen until the 5th century A.D., and that’s about 1,100 years after the Ishmaelites disappeared. Mohammed’s tribe could not have lived in the same locations as the Ishmaelite tribes at any time throughout history. The genealogy fabricated by Ibn-Ishak contradicts the sayings of Mohammed, who expressed his ignorance about his ancestors prior to his 17th ancestor. Ibn Ishak was considered by the Muslim scholars of his time as being guilty of forgery and fabricating false genealogies.[1][i]

        Long before Ibn Ishak, Muslims who lived in Mohammed’s own time also fabricated genealogies in an attempt to connect Mohammed to the descendants of Ishmael. Mohammed, himself, rejected all of these false genealogies, and he put limits regarding the genealogy of his ancestors. Regarding Mohammed’s own rejection of the false genealogies, Amru bin al-As wrote: Mohammed genealogized himself regarding his ancestors until he reached al-Nather bin Kinaneh, then he said, “anyone who claimed otherwise or added further ancestors, has lied.”

        Also It is impossible for Abraham to have had anything to do with the Kaaba,

        Muslims believe that the Ka’abah, constructed of stone blocks, was originally built by Prophet Abraham and his son Ismail. Many believe it was erected on the original site of a sanctuary established by the first Prophet, Adam. Embedded in the corner of the structure is the Black Stone, a meteorite used by Abraham as a foundation stone.

        The historical and archeological evidence proves that the Ka’bah did not exist before about 300 AD.

        So all you are doing is telling inaccurate falsehoods.

      • alex

        mbplee: which historian you are talking about?????????????? christian historians???????
        only history comes from Muslim sources and there is no other history written….PERIOD
        don’t copy/paste stuff from christian missionary websites to prove a lie………………cite the sources…………..Go ask from some jew scholar..they have better history knowledge..i did rather believe on jew rabbi then a liar christian missionary………….
        Muslim know their history and don’t teach Muslims what is their history is because it is written in books…………FIND A BOOK WHICH SUPPORT YOUR LIE…………..
        Historical Proof of Abraham Built the Kaaba

        Where Did the Mecca Black Stone Come From? (Explanation from Jewish Man)

      • mbplee

        alex,

        The historical and archeological evidence proves that the Ka’bah did not exist before about 300 AD.

        alex, are you really so bigoted and gullible? All of the Quran is on big myth based on LIES, LIES, LIES.
        Buraq is a myth, the 7 Heavens are Myths, Qurayshis are descendants of Abraham is a Myth, Abraham built the Kaaba is a myth, Islamic rituals are the pagan rituals of ancient worship, All gods are mythical legends of the ancients. The Quran is a book of myths. Wake up!

      • alex

        mbplee: now a lair christian missionary talking…………..stop your nonsense and lies………WHERE IS THE HISTORY BOOKS????????????????????
        watch and learn……………………….ask you pastor

  90. mbplee

    alex, the origins and the evolution and history of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Taoism, etc can all be found on the internet. Only lazy and ignorant people who have access to such facilities do not bother to find the truth. The Quran is a Manual of hatred and Violence,
    https://mbplee.wordpress.com/2017/06/20/introspection-of-islam/

    You cannot deny this nor are you able to direct me to verses in the Quran that shows that I am wrong.

    • alex

      mbplee; ignore and hate speaks from your speech…….you show me a single verse from Quran that condone violence and hate…i will quit Islam……………….i made this challenge to numerous hate preachers….never saw them again.you try…..
      you are just copy/paste expert…ZERO KNOWLEDGE ABOUT ISLAMIC THEOLOGY……..PERIOD

  91. mbplee

    alex, are you so ignorant of Islam that you do not even know the contents of the Quran? Here are a few verses that you have requested I reproduce:

    Islam, The Religion of Violence
    The same is not true when it comes to Islam. By most conservative counts, the Quran contains over 100 passages that call Muslims to take up arms against unbelievers in the name of Allah.

    “Kill them [unbelievers] wherever you find them… And fight them until there is no more unbelief and worship is for Allah alone” (Quran 2:191-193).

    “Strike off their heads and strike from them every fingertip” (Quran 8:12).

    “Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties; in exchange for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah, so they slay and are slain” (Quran 9:111).

    “Truly Allah loves those who fight in His cause in battle array…” (Quran 61:4)

    “The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah” (Sahih Muslim 1:33). [This means that Muslims must fight against ALL NON-Muslims. There is no alternative.]

    • alex

      mbplee: heheehehehe. star verse copied from Christiana missionary website………….SHAME………..LIES….FAKE TRANSLATION…………
      Proof 1: you copied…………Kill them [unbelievers] wherever you find them… And fight them until there is no more unbelief and worship is for Allah alone” (Quran 2:191-193).

      LIE#1……………. there is not word in this verse which translate to “”””””unbelief “””””””””
      the actual word is “FITNAH”means persecution…………………….

      LIE #2………..WHERE THIS VERSE TELLS TO KILL ANY INNOCENT HUMAN BEING???????

      BUT first let me copy the all the verse before and after these verse.typical Christian missionary deception…………..READ THE VERSE JUST BEFORE 2.191

      2:190:Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.
      the verse 2.190 clearly tells to fight only those who fight with Muslims……………and no transgression…………….SLAP ON YOUR FACE
      So Muslims are no allowed to commit aggression and only fight in self defense…….PERIOD

      NOW 2.191………………..
      Quran 2:191 : And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.
      Tells you to kills them if you OVERTAKE them……………………do not kill them if they don’t fight you…………LESSON………………..in war kill OR be KILLED………………….

      2:192 And if they cease, then indeed, God is Forgiving and Merciful.

      Quran 2:193 : Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah . But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.

      THIS VERSE SIMPLY INSTRUCT MUSLIMS WHO were IN WAR AGAINST PAGAN ARABS TO.
      1Only fight in self defense
      2.do no fight at sacred place
      3.if pagan soldiers give up the stop fighting

      NOW WHAT IS THE BACKGROUND OF THIS VERSE?????????????????READ
      Context (Shane Nuzul) of the verse 2:191

      This verse was revealed at a time when the holy prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing be upon him) set out for Makkah to perform Umrah along with his 1400 companions. When they reached Hudaybiyyah, the polytheists did not allow him and his companions to enter the city and perform Umrah as intended. It took a great deal of negotiating to reach the agreement that he and his companions would perform Umrah next year. This pact is known as treaty of Hudaybiyyah. The believers came back to Madinah as per the treaty, in the next year, when the holy prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing be upon him) decided to go to Makkah for Umrah, his holy companions started feeling concerned about the Arab polytheists who could not be trusted upon in a peace treaty as they were used to break treaties.

      It was quite possible that the Arab polytheists or infidels may attack them. The problem was that fighting within the precincts of Makkah was not permissible in Islam. This was the time when Allah Almighty revealed the verse 2:192 stating that the sacredness of the precincts of Makkah must be observed by Muslims, but if the disbelievers attack them within the sacred limits, it would be permissible for them to fight back in defence. This way, the verse allowed them to meet the challenge of their oppression and kill them where they found them.

      So, it is very clear that the verse “kill them wherever you find them…” does not include all common polytheists and non-Muslims such as those living in the world today. It only includes those who break peace-treaty and contentment of the country and kill innocents. So fighting against such infidel oppressors who break peace-treaty of the country is allowed, no matter whether the oppressor is a Muslim or a non-Muslim. For example, Salahuddin Ayyubi Rahimahullah, for the sake of freedom of Palestine, waged Jihad against oppressive Muslim rulers. Jihad is waged against tyrannical rulers, whether they claim to be Muslims or non-Muslims.

      It is worth noting that Kaafir/disbeliever does not refer to only those who believe in a trinity or more than one God but also includes those so-called Muslims who disbelieve any verse of the holy Quran or refuse to accept essential requirements of the faith, and commit blasphemy against any of the prophets (peace be upon them). Explanation of the So-called “Sword Verse” 9:5

      • mbplee

        alex, like a typical Muslim, you twist and misuse words to suit your circumstance. Fitna can be used to mean several things.

        “Fitna (or fitnah, pl. fitan; Arabic: فتنة , فتن‎‎: “temptation, trial; sedition (synonyms: incitement (to riot/rebellion), agitation, rabble-rousing, fomentation (of discontent), troublemaking, provocation, inflaming; which is essentially “unbelief.”}, civil strife”[1]) is an Arabic word with extensive connotations of trial, affliction, or distress. A word with important historical implications, it is also widely used in modern Arabic.”

        “Aside from its use in the Qur’an, fitna came to have a primary sense of “‘revolt’, ‘disturbances’, ‘civil war’, but a civil war that breeds schism and in which the believers’ purity of faith is in grave danger.”[18] This was especially so as it came, in the term First Fitna, to refer to the first major civil war of the Islamic Caliphate, which lasted from 656 to 661. “On account of the struggles that marked Mu‘āwiya’s advent, the term fitna was later applied to any period of disturbances inspired by schools or sects that broke away from the majority of believers.”[19] The term thus appears the descriptions of other major conflicts such as the Second Fitna (680–92), the Third Fitna (744–47), the Fourth Fitna (809-827), and the Fitna of al-Andalus (1009–1031).”

        The above definition clearly shows that you choose to be difficult.

        I then quote you again:
        “THIS VERSE SIMPLY INSTRUCT MUSLIMS WHO were IN WAR AGAINST PAGAN ARABS TO.
        1Only fight in self defense [Any disbeliever is an enemy of Allah so fighting him is in self defence.]
        2.do no fight at sacred place [Is this why ISIL are killing worshippers in Mosques?]
        3.if pagan soldiers give up the stop fighting [Give up and totally accept Allah as ilah (convert) or else he is still fighting in his heart and mind. If he does not convert, cut his throat.]

    • alex

      mbplee:NOW COME TO SECOND LIE…………You copied from christian missionaries hate website”“Strike off their heads and strike from them every fingertip” (Quran 8:12).

      Here is real translation……………….
      (Quran 8:12:Sahih International: [Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, “I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.”

      should i POINT OUT THE LIES HERE OR YOU WILL USE YOUR OWN BRAIN?????????????

    • alex

      mbplee: NOW COME TO THIRD LIE………………..you copied from christian missionary hate website
      “Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties; in exchange for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah, so they slay and are slain” (Quran 9:111).

      NOW REAL TRANSLATION
      Quran 9:111: Indeed, Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties [in exchange] for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah, so they kill and are killed. [It is] a true promise [binding] upon Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur’an. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah ? So rejoice in your transaction which you have contracted. And it is that which is the great attainment.

      NEED EXPLANATION???????????????

      • mbplee

        alex, it is clear, Allah(Muhammad) is promising Jihadist Martyrs, PARADISE in exchange for their lives. How pagan is that?

      • alex

        mbplee: better shut down .its enough insult for you to propagate lies .if you read all the verses in context it is clear that fight in the way of ALLAH to t