§7 “Whoever kills a person (unjustly)….Quran 5:32

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§7: “Whoever kills a person [unjustly]…it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind.” (Qur’an, 5:32)

Quran & Hadith Contradictions & Misconceptions

Quran 5:32 has been so misquoted, adulterated, dissimulated, that it is necessary to openly discuss it and examine its real meaning to dispel further falsehoods told around it.


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Quran 5:32


This morning, 10.10.10 on BBC, “Sunday Morning Live” I heard an Sunni Imam, Ajmal Masoor, who is also a politician say:

“Whoever kills a person [innocent person]…it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind.” (Qur’an, 5:32)

I immediately was very disturbed that this Imam could use the BBC to disseminate dissimulations to millions of viewers unchallenged. Why do I accuse Imam Masoor of dissimulation? Let us first examine the original text, with different translations and assess for ourselves.
(Note: That remark has been edited out of the iPlayer version:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00vf0x0/Sunday_Morning_Live_Episode_13/  ) [1]
Different translations of Quran: 5:32

[5.32] For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our apostles came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land. (U of Michigan’s translation.)

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YUSUFALI: On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
PICKTHAL: For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah’s Sovereignty), but afterwards lo! many of them became prodigals in the earth.
SHAKIR: For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our messengers came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land.
Bijan Moeinian: Based upon this incidence, I decreed to the children of Israel (and such passages are missing in the existing bibles except a few verses in Thalmud) that: “Whoever kills a human being (unless the latter being guilty of murder or spreading corruption on earth) should be looked upon as though he has killed the entire humanity and whoever saves a life should be considered as the savior of whole mankind.” However, in spite of many Prophets which came to them with undeniable miracles, the majority of them chose to disregard the Divine laws.
Muhd Ahmed Scimira: That is why We decreed for the children of Israel that whosoever kills a human being, except (as punishment) for murder or for spreading corruption in the land, it shall be like killing all humanity; and whosoever saves a life, saves the entire human race. Our apostles brought clear proofs to them; but even after that most of them committed excesses in the land.
Sher Ali: That is why We decreed for the children of Israel that whosoever kills a human being, except (as punishment) for murder or for spreading corruption in the land, it shall be like killing all humanity; and whosoever saves a life, saves the entire human race. Our apostles brought clear proofs to them; but even after that most of them committed excesses in the land. Q: 5:32 alt
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Analysis of the various translations of Quran 5:32


It is quite apparent that “Whoever kills a person….it is as though he killed all mankind” is completely misleading and dishonest and is intended as a dissimulation. It is as though it is saying that Allah disapproves of killing (of any kind) i.e. “whoever kills… is killing mankind.” It is misleading because it is out of context and it was abbreviated deliberately to deceive those not familiar with the Quran. Because when the verse is read in full it implies that “when the person is a murderer, or someone who inciting sedition,” that killing him is justified. And in the eyes of Muslims, all non-Muslims who reject Allah and Islam are “spreading corruption”(are thus enemies of Islam and cannot be innocent) and are legitimate targets to be killed. But it does imply (to Muslims) that killing another (innocent) Muslim would be synonymous to killing all mankind. (That, I believe was Muhammad’s intended meaning of that verse.)

Umar ibn Kathir (1301-1373) – Tafsir


Let me quote from Umar ibn Kathir (1301-1373) a foremost Tafsir(interpreter) writer, (another source to illustrate that this concept is not unique or bigoted or modern.) [3] :

So, strictly speaking, verse 5:32 is only applicable to the children of Israel (the verse says it). Any way, to be fair, we shall ignore this limitation and concentrate on the wider meaning:

On the surface of it, the first sentence (Islamists often quote only the first sentence, conveniently hiding the next sentence) of verse 5:32 seems very munificence and non-violent. What does the next sentence say? It says clearly that even when Allah sent His messengers many people disbelieved them. Muhammad was one of such messengers, the best and the last. Therefore, “those who disbelieve in Muhammad and Allah (i.e. the non-Muslims) are the transgressors. Evidently, the non-Muslims are the mischief-makers on earth. Logically, these non-Muslims do not fall under the purview of the merciful provisions of verse 5:32. In simple language, this means: verse 5:32 is applicable only to the Muslims. To confirm this, let me quote ibn Kathir  the foremost Tafsir writer:

Beginning  of Kathir’s quote

(if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land – it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind.) ***Saving life in this case occurs by not killing a soul that Allah has forbidden (A Muslim.) So this is the meaning of saving the life of all mankind, for whoever forbids killing a soul without justification, the lives of all people will be saved from him.” Similar was said by Mujahid;

[وَمَنْ أَحْيَـهَا]

(And if anyone saved a life…) means, he refrains from killing a soul. Al-`Awfi reported that Ibn `Abbas said that Allah’s statement,

[فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ النَّاسَ جَمِيعاً]

(it would be as if he killed all mankind. .) means, ***“Whoever kills one soul **’that Allah has forbidden killing,’ is just like he who kills all mankind.” Sa’id bin Jubayr said, “He who allows himself to shed the blood of a Muslim, is like he who allows shedding the blood of all people. He who forbids shedding the blood of one Muslim, is like he who forbids shedding the blood of all people.” In addition, Ibn Jurayj said that Al-A`raj said that Mujahid commented on the Ayah,

[فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ النَّاسَ جَمِيعاً]

(it would be as if he killed all mankind,) ***“He who kills a believing soul (*believer in Islam) intentionally, Allah makes the Fire of Hell his abode, He will become angry with him, and curse him, and has prepared a tremendous punishment for him, equal to if he had killed all people, his punishment will still be the same.” Ibn Jurayj said that Mujahid said that the Ayah,

[وَمَنْ أَحْيَـهَا فَكَأَنَّمَا أَحْيَا النَّاسَ جَمِيعاً]

(and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind.) means, “He who does not kill anyone, then the lives of people are safe from him.”

End of Kathir’s quote.

There you are! This tafsir by Kathir says ***when a Muslim is killed it is as if the entire humanity is killed. When an infidel is killed it has no relevance. Similarly, when a Believer’s (i.e. Muslim’s) life is saved it is as if the entire humanity is saved. You see, in the Qur’an and in Islam what matters most is the lives of Muslims and not the lives of infidels. [4]

Why do the erudite Islamists of the Fiqh Council of North America want to hide this truth?

This answer can also be found in the Qur’an.

Please note: ***there are at least 18 verses in the Qur’an which ask for the pre-emptive murder of the kafirs (infidels). But, it is not that simple to annihilate all the unbelievers just like that. It needs time, patience, plan, strategies, weapons and pretexts to wage a campaign of total slaughter of the non-Muslims. We observe this clever procedure is followed by the true Islamists and the suicide bombers. Even the former Prime Minister of Malaysia , Dr Mahathir Mohammad had asked the Muslims to acquire modern weapons to wage a war against the Jews. He purposely, did not mention the entire non-Muslim population, simply because his country is precariously dependent upon the investment of these infidels.

When the situation does not permit the Islamists to openly declare the murder of infidels, Allah asks them not to be friendly with them. Here are a few verses that tell the Muslims not to befriend the non-Muslims:

Do not take unbelievers as friends; caution is necessary to befriend the unbelievers…3:28

3:28 Let not the believers take the disbelievers as Auliyâ (supporters, helpers, etc.) instead of the believers, and whoever does that will never be helped by Allâh in any way, except if you indeed fear a danger from them. And Allâh warns you against Himself (His Punishment), and to Allâh is the final return.

In pure Islamic Paradises one will surely note this verse being fully practised. You will observe very little co-operation between the Muslims and the non-Muslims. The interaction between the aggressive Muslims and the feeble non-Muslim minority is almost non-existent. In some Islamic societies (like Malaysia , Brunei ) Muslims are not even allowed to patronize non-Muslim restaurants and eateries. In an Islamic State like Brunei , there are signboards in Malay language inside all non-Muslim restaurants stating, “Bukan Makanan orang Islam (food here is not for the Muslims)”. Similar warnings are also implied in Malaysia or in other Islamic countries.

This is the limit of tolerance and friendship (with infidels) in Islam!

Now, when the Islamists migrate to infidel lands, they simply hide those truths. They become sheer hypocrites. Outwardly, they pretend to show a friendly face, but inwardly, they remain as hateful, vicious and cantankerous towards the non-Muslim as before. Why should they have this double-face?—one might wonder. Once again, the answer is also contained in the above verse (3:28). This verse tells the Muslims to exercise caution when befriending the infidels. In fact, what it really means is:  when weak, the Muslims are allowed to be hypocrites in dealing with the non-Muslims. They are permitted to tell lies and hide the truth about their religion.

Once again, I will prove my assertion by quoting from ibn Kathir

Start of Kathir’s quote:

The Prohibition of Supporting the Disbelievers

…………………………………………………………

Allah said next,

[إِلاَ أَن تَتَّقُواْ مِنْهُمْ تُقَـةً]

(unless you indeed fear a danger from them) meaning, except those believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers. In this case, such believers are allowed to show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly. For instance, Al-Bukhari recorded that Abu Ad-Darda’ said, “We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curst them.” Al-Bukhari said that Al-Hasan said, The Tuqyah (Taqiyya) is allowed until the Day of Ressurection.” Allah said,

[وَيُحَذِّرُكُمُ اللَّهُ نَفْسَهُ]

End of Kathir’s quote.

Islam even forbids Muslims to be in friendly terms with their non-Muslim parents or kindred. In Islamic parlance, even verbal criticism of Islam means oppression. If a non-Muslim father or a non-Muslim brother of a convert (to Islam) utters any words and/or makes any grimaces that is offensive to the nascent Muslim convert, it is deemed to be oppressive/blasphemy. Therefore, as per Islamic rule a retaliation becomes due. Muslims are now allowed to murder them even though they might be their father, brother or sister.

Do you not believe this? Read the following Qur’anic verse.

The believers should not take even their fathers, brothers, or sons as friends if they resist God and Muhammad; these types of believers are the party of God, that is, the believers cannot be friendly with the unbelievers even though they are their blood… 58:22

58:22 You (O Muhammad) will not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, making friendship with those who oppose Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad), even though they were their fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred (people). For such He has written Faith in their hearts, and strengthened them with Ruh (proofs, light and true guidance) from Himself. And We will admit them to Gardens (Paradise) under which rivers flow, to dwell therein (forever). Allah is pleased with them, and they with Him. they are the Party of Allah. Verily, it is the Party of Allah that will be successful. (ibn Kathir)

***Non-Muslims are Never Innocent – They deny Allah and his Prophet

Views of a Respected Imam

UK Imam: “Non-Muslims are never innocent, they are guilty of denying Allah and his prophet”

APRIL 1, 2008 4:54 PM BY 

The Anjem Chaudary video has, of course, been circulating for quite some time — it was already old when we posted it in December 2006 — but it bears repeating whenever you hear a Muslim spokesman in the West claiming that Islam forbids the killing of innocent civilians. Why is it so hard to get a definition of “innocent” in this context?

“Report: Non-Muslims Deserve to Be Punished,” from FoxNews (thanks to PNM):

A report posted on Islam Watch, a site run by Muslims who oppose intolerant teachings and hatred for unbelievers, exposes a prominent Islamic cleric and lawyer who support extreme punishment for non-Muslims “” including killing and rape.

A question-and-answer session with Imam Abdul Makin in an East London mosque asks why Allah would tell Muslims to kill and rape innocent non-Muslims, including their wives and daughters, according to Islam Watch.

“Because non-Muslims are never innocent, they are guilty of denying Allah and his prophet,” the Imam says, according to the report. “If you don’t believe me, here is the legal authority, the top Muslim lawyer of Britain.”

The lawyer, Anjem Choudary, backs up the Imam’s position, saying that all Muslims are innocent.

Click here to watch the interview with Islamic lawyer Anjem Choudary.

“You are innocent if you are a Muslim,” Choudary tells the BBC. “Then you are innocent in the eyes of God. If you are not a Muslim, then you are guilty of not believing in God.”

Choudary said he would not condemn a Muslim for any action.

“As a Muslim, I must support my Muslim brothers and sisters,” Choudary said. “I must have hatred to everything that is not Muslim.” [5]

Concluding Comments Ending Dissimulation:


Quran 5:32 Has either been used ignorantly or surreptitiously in such a way as to portray, innocently or maliciously, the munificence of Islam by the simply contraction of the verse to the following and saying the Quran says,

Whoever kills a person……it is as though he has killed mankind.”
This implies that the Quran believes killing another person is abhorrent and it is not Islamic. But as the above has shown, the contraction has altered the meaning of the verse 5:32 altogether and is a dissimulation. However for a non-Muslim to arrive at such a conclusion would appear bigoted, thus it was necessary to quote, at lengths, Tafsirs from respected Muslims like Umar ibn Kathir to provide the irrefutable evidence needed to show authentication.

This article should put to rest any further ambiguity regarding Qur’an 5:32

Addendum

It appears that this article has troubled many Muslims who have read it. Thus I felt that the article has not sufficiently covered the salient points I have attempted to convey, thus I will extend my analysis. Many Muslims still adhere to:

“Whoever kills a person [innocent person]…it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind.” (Qur’an, 5:32)

Indeed, on the surface it sounds a very noble cosmopolitan philosophy but it is totally out of context with the totality of the Islamic Quranic ideology and thus a total dissimulation as it stands. To prove that it is totally out of context I will quote a few Islamic verses to show why I believe this is so.

Muslim (1:33) – the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people (infidels) till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah

Bukhari (8:387) – Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been ordered to fight the people (infidels) till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally.”

Muslim (1:30) – “The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people(infidel) so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah.”

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, “Kill any Jew who falls under your power.”

Bukhari (52:73) – “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords’.”

Then in case Women and children are considered “innocent?” I quote:

Tabari 9:69 “Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us” The words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam.

Bukhari (52:256) – The Prophet… was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, “They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans).”

In this command, Muhammad establishes that it is permissible to kill non-combatants in the process of killing a perceived enemy. This provides justification for the many Islamic terror bombings. ***[The Prophet makes it very clear that a non-Muslim (infidel) is a legitimate target for death. It also implies that only Muslims can be innocent, never infidels. This is a point missed by most apologists of Islam.]

Quran (2:244) – “Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things.”

Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.” Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

Quran (3:56) – “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”

***Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”. This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be ‘joining companions to Allah’).

Quran (4:74) – “Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.” The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today’s suicide bombers.

Quran (4:76) – “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…”

Quran (4:89) – “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”

Quran (4:95) – 

***“Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-“ This passage criticizes “peaceful” Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah’s eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that “Jihad” doesn’t mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man’s protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and this is reflected in other translations of the verse).

Quran (4:104) – “And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain…” Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?

***Quran (5:33) – “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and *****strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement”

***Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them” No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

Quran (8:15) – “O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey’s end.”

Quran (8:39) – “And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah”

Some translations interpret “fitna” as “persecution”, but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for 2:193). The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj. Other Muslims were allowed to travel there – just not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad’s intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until “religion is only for Allah”, meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition. According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that “Allah must have no rivals.”

Quran (8:57) – “If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember.”

Quran (8:67) – “It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land…”

Conclusions

There is no doubt that Islam is a Totalitarian Supremacist Theocracy that has no mercy for infidels. There are also no innocent infidels, they are all guilty of mischief against Allah and are not a part of mankind.

ESSENTIAL EPILOGUE  (added on 22 November, 2015)

This article on Quran 5:32 has attracted much attention from Muslims some of whom are quite distressed and disturbed with its contents. This is probably because I have not presented it thoroughly enough, so I will make an attempt to be more plain in my analysis. I will restrict myself to referring to Islamic religious texts in my analysis.

Why Quran 5:32 is Out of Context with the Quran and Ahadith

(1) “Whoever kills a person [innocent person]…it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind.” (Qur’an, 5:32)

We have already discussed that a Jew, Christian or Idol worshipper are NEVER an innocent person. No where in the Quran has a Jew,Christian or Idol worshipper ever been referred to as an innocent person. Only Muslims can be innocent.

(2) [5.32] For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; (Another version)

What is considered spreading “mischief in the land?”

Fasad (Arabicفساد /fasād/) is an Islamic concept which means spreading mischief in a Muslim land,moral corruption against God, and any form of expression or activity by non-Muslims or apostates of Islam that creates disorder in the Muslim community.

***So “spreading mischief ” is a code term to clearly refer to non-Muslims and never to devout Muslims. So it becomes clear that it does not apply to, “those who spread mischief in Muslim land or non-Muslims. This cannot be clearer.

So it should be abundantly clear that most Muslims have been misled or misunderstood Quran 5:32

I just hope that Muslims will read this article slowly and digest every word carefully to understand the analysis made. This analysis has not been made to discredit Quran 5:32, only to interpret it as Muhammad would have intended it to be. In fact Quran 5:32 is defending the integrity of the Muslims as Muhammad had intended i.e., ***That a Muslim must never kill another Muslim but with only the above exceptions.

What, I believe, is so distressing to most Muslims when they read this article is that, “they cannot accept that what they believed as one of the NOBLE tenets of Islam has been so badly misunderstood by them for all these years with this new analysis of Quran 5:32”

Thus Quran 5:32 should read as follows:

“Whoever[a Muslim] kills a person [another innocent Muslim] [innocent person]… unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land [blaspheming against Allah – apostacy],it is as though he has killed all [of Islamic] mankind. And whoever saves a [Mulsim] life, it is as though he had saved all [Islamic] mankind.” (Qur’an, 5:32)

*****Any other meaning of the above is a corruption of that phrase, or out of context  of the whole ethos of the Quran and Ahadith, and unworthy of consideration because it dissimulates its true meaning.

 

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    • mbplee

      Rafeeque thank you for your links. Link 1 states:
      “According to Islam it is a great sin to kill an innocent person, and anyone who does so will suffer great torment in the hereafter:

      …So We decreed for the tribe of Israel that if someone kills another person – unless it is in retaliation for someone else or for causing corruption in the earth – it is as if he had murdered all mankind. And if anyone gives life to another person, it is as if he had given life to all mankind. Our Messengers came to them with Clear Signs but even after that many of them committed outrages in the earth. (Qur’an 5: 32)

      As we can see from the above verse, killing one innocent person is regarded as equivalent to killing all of mankind. In another verse, the importance that the faithful attach to life is expressed in these terms:

      “Those who do not call on any other god together with Allah and do not kill anyone God has made inviolate, except with the right to do so, and do not fornicate; anyone who does that will receive an evil punishment” (Qur’an 25: 68)”

      But the Quran also states: Qur’an:8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”
      So it is clear that, “an infidel can never be an innocent person.” Therefore, killing infidels is totally justified in Islam. In fact all Jihad killings can be justified as retaliation for rejecting Allah.

      In Link 2: “”If one amongst the pagans ask thee for asylum,grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure that is because they are men without knowledge.”
      [Al-Qur’an 9:6]”

      Quran (9:29) – “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” “People of the Book” refers to Christians and Jews. According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status. This was one of the final “revelations” from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad’s companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.

      So if the infidel is not willing to repent and accept Allah as his god, he should be killed. There is no other alternative, is there?

      That is my perspective.

      • Jalal Kassab

        the quran talks about not to go to extreme with your religion, this is what this post is wanting to conclude. The Imam gave the verse and the sanctity of life, yet some arguments that killing innocent people is acceptable. It is not.
        Qur’an:8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”
        NO. This does justify, “an infidel can never be an innocent person.”
        God i stalking and saying “I”. He is not saying Mohammed because He is named here is an “Apostle”. Furthermore this Chapter 8 in the Quran is in a war context, it is not about killing your neighbour or warring with your neighbour about having different beliefs. This is about when you are being attacked.
        The context you preface and your interpretations is not found in mainstream of Islam and you and the extremist share a perverted view of Islam only due to your misunderstanding and lazy interpenetration.

      • mbplee

        Jalal Kassab, Thank you for your comments. I would not expect any other reply from a Muslim. But we have each to interprete the Quran as it appears to us and not according to how you want us to interprete it. Muslims should be realistic when they read their Quran and not attempt to window dress Islam. Just look around the world at the Islamic world when you interprete the Quran and ask yourself, why? Why are ISIL beheading other Arabs? or their captive Christians? Why? Are they misguided Muslims or are you?

      • Jalal Kassab

        Once again you post “infidel is not willing to repent and accept Allah as his god, he should be killed. There is no other alternative, is there?”
        Yes there is, you just have not collated all the evidence. Yet the substantially more verses about harmony and tolerance. They cant contradict each other and they don’t. It is your interpenetration of them and poor scholarly application.
        You have obviously not familiar with the numerous treaties that were made with both Christians and Jews and while many flourished with religions freedoms and where significant communities lived.
        Do they not forget it was the Muslim upon capturing Jerusalem the Patriarch Sophronius, a representative of the Byzantine government in 637 AD handed the keys to the city to the Muslims Caliph. After 600 years in exile the Muslims permitted the return of the Jews back in to the holy city with full religious freedoms.
        Furthermore, when the Jews were persecuted and expelled with the Muslims during the Spanish Inquisition of the late 14 Century in Europe they’re settled in the Muslim lands with full religious freedoms, another convenient fact forgotten, even to some less informed.
        DO they not remember the treaties made with the Christian and Jews even after the death of the prophet such as the treaty of Umar detailing the rights and privileges regarding the conquered people and the Muslims in Jerusalem. This treaty was signed by Umar and Patriarch Sophronius, along with some of the generals of the Muslim armies.

        When the Jews were being persecuted in Christian Europe as part of the purge of the Spainish Inquisition many came e to settle in the Muslim Lands.

        Over the past 100 years, this harmony has changed and has become less tolerant, it is called colonisation.

      • mbplee

        Jalal Kassab, Thank you for your comments. I believe that there is still a lot about Islam that you are not familiar about. Do you know the difference of Islam pre- and post- Medina and why? Do you know about the betrayal in Medina and the genocide that occurred there at the time of Muhammad?
        Do you understand the weapons of Taqiyya and Kitman, or do you even know what and why Muhammad abrogated Quranic verses, and do you know the Verse of the Sword, Quran 9:5, actually abrogated 124 verses referring to Peace in the Quran? Or that Jihad, Quran 2:215 is a mandate for all Muslims to obey? Or that the Quran has 109 verses that calls all Muslims to War?
        When you have collated all that, then I welcome your comments on my articles.

      • Mahmood

        Dear author,

        As a Muslim brother, I sincerely advise you ask for forgiveness from Allah, the Almighty, for your highly strange and unprofessional analysis. Brother, please do not be offended. If you wish to write articles on Islam, you should enrol yourself in Islamic university. You will truly be repentful for the psychotic words you preach. May Allah almighty forgive you after you repent and not burn you in hell fire.

        Why do you want to cause trouble, my brother? If the Quran says, ‘If a person kills someone, it is as though he has killed all of mankind’, why do you want to add more words to that and state Christians and Jews etc are an exception? Brother, you know that is a grave sin to change the Quran’s words – this is in one of the very first few pages of the Quran in fact. If you cannot fund an Islamic degree, you can also practice SATs, which is an American system of examining words. Do not worry that it is American, it is used internationally also and it will InshAllah comfort you in its interpretation techniques moving forward. Please, my friend, I am very afraid for you. Oh Allah, please guide our brother to the right path and do not lead him astray, as you say in Surah Fatiha. Oh Allah, please one day if brother marries a Mo’mineen, that is a Christian or Jew, as you state Muslims can do in Surah Bakarah, let brother not kill his wife in the night. Oh Allah, teach brother to compress his fiery temper and remind him as you say in 6:107 that you have not made our brother the non-muslim keeper, nor guardian over them too. Oh Allah, by all means, encourage brother to praise our Iman but let him read the verses the he may have missed somehow when perhaps distracted by worldly possessions, that there is no compulsion on religion (2:256) and that if the people of other religions choose to dispute us, You are very instructive about what to do next and that is to say, `God best knows (the value of) what you do (22.67)’. Praise to thee, God. Oh Allah, please help brother reach and inhale the perfume of paradise by encouraging him to also read and practice the hadith of our beloved Prophet, peace be upon him. For,
        “whoever kills a person who has a truce with the Muslims will never smell the fragrance of Paradise (Saheeh Muslim).” Finally my brother, a stark warning from Abu Dawud’s recording of a hadith from the messenger of Allah (PBUH):

         “Beware! Whoever is cruel and hard on a non-Muslim minority, or curtails their rights, or burdens them with more than they can bear, or takes anything from them against their free will; I (Prophet Muhammad) will complain against the person on the Day of Judgment.”

        My brother, we fear for you but will not lose hope. Pray in 2/3rds of the night when Allah is listening the most. You should endeavour fasting, my friend, out of Ramadan, and inshAllah, praise Allah, our almighty Allah will forgive you before your life ends. I suggest 4 months fasting this year but maybe you can do it 1 month per season. Oh Allah, let him repent, oh Allah, show your mercy, oh Allah, may he be saved from the burning hellfire once he asks for your forgiveness, oh Allah, let him be saved from eternal burning in the Pits, inshAllah.

      • mbplee

        Mahmoud, as you will see, I have approved your post so it can be read by all. I am sorry your views on Quran 5:32 are so narrow and out of context with the rest of the Quran. I hope some day you may see that your views are wrong. You are not the only Muslim with such views, but that is what I expected because your thoughts are all so regimented. Read again what I have written with an open mind and open heart and perhaps you will see things differently. My good wishes to you.

  1. Novak Djokovic

    Lesley Hazleton discussed some stereotypes about understanding the Quran:

    and here:

    • mbplee

      NovakDjokovic, Thank you. I finally managed (26.10.14) to update my Flash and saw all the videos you have presented. Unfortunately, I conclude that Lesley Hazelton is really an apologist for Muhammad and I disagree with her fundamental views on Islam. I believe she is misguided and rather biased.

  2. Reece

    You have understood it totally wrong because all you know is that one verse and have no wider knowledge. When God says ”we decreed to the children of Israel” he is talking about what he told the Jews to do previously.. because in the Talmud it says:

    ”FOR THIS REASON WAS MAN CREATED ALONE, TO TEACH THEE THAT WHOSOEVER DESTROYS A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE IMPUTES [GUILT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD DESTROYED A COMPLETE WORLD; AND WHOSOEVER PRESERVES A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE ASCRIBES [MERIT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD PRESERVED A COMPLETE WORLD”

    So your arguments are invalid.. God was talking about the whole of mankind, but he told the Jews first and he also says in the Quran he has not come to destroy the laws of which was before?

    But!!!
    The Jews turned away from God when they didn’t believe Jesus (peace be upon him) was the messiah.

    And the bible has been corrupted by man, which is proven by the highest Christian scholars, it was changed by Constantine
    and was infiltrated by Paul who was a agent sent by the Romans to destroy the true message of Jesus (peace be upon him)

    Paul was known as Saul before he changed his name. Saul persecuted Christians arresting and murdering them as he went from place to place.

    I pray for you brother.

    • mbplee

      reece Murda, thank you for your comments. You should really study what I have posted much closer than you have because you have entirely missed the point. The Quran is full of “dualism” and it is important that you are not misled by only reading one part of the Quran without the “dual” part. Typically like most Muslims you only see the part that suits your arguments.
      Let me quote from Umar ibn Kathir (1301-1373) a foremost Tafsir(interpreter) writer:
      Beginning of Kathir’s quote

      (if anyone killed a person (Muslim) not “in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land” – it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind.) Saving life in this case occurs by not killing a soul that Allah has forbidden (Killing a Believer is Forbidden by Allah but not an infidel.) So this is the meaning of saving the life of all mankind, for whoever forbids killing a soul(a Muslim) without justification, the lives of all people will be saved from him.”
      End of Kathir’s quote.

      There you are! This tafsir by Kathir says when a Muslim is killed it is as if the entire humanity is killed. When an infidel is killed it has no relevance. Similarly, when a Believer’s (i.e. Muslim’s) life is saved it is as if the entire humanity is saved. You see, in the Qur’an and in Islam what matters most is the lives of Muslims and not the lives of infidels.
      Please note: there are at least 18 verses in the Qur’an which ask for the pre-emptive murder of the kafirs (infidels).[Killing of infidels is APPROVED BY ALLAH. Killing of Muslims (Believers, except for murderers and trouble makers) IS FORBIDDEN BY ALLAH.
      That is the dualism you do not seem to understand. You have to learn to be more discerning. Look it up yourself to confirm what I have quoted.

      • Ali

        May Allah give you hidaya and change your evil thinking.

      • mbplee

        Hafsa Siddiqui: May Allah open your eyes to the truth one day.

      • Ldk

        It seems to me that you have only one tafseer to back up what you are saying, and honestly there are many other tafseers out there that do not say near enough that same logic. You have interpreted what you’d like from this verse and one evidence you found in tafseer to support it. I would very much like to look at the sanad of the ahadith you have quoted and show you that I’m sure you have misused them. In any regard you seem to be automatically inferring that those who cause corruption are automatically infidels and automatically non believers. Where is your evident to suggest this? And you have not explored the context of this verse, in the life of the Prophet Muhammad. One of the key miracles of the Qur’an is that it came down contextually as well as generally. You are doing a very typically modern thing which is to fixate on a specific perspective and then drill that into yourself and try to do it to other people. What are your qualifications to make these statements? How much have you studied the necessary sciences in order to interpret these things the way you have? Also a quick FYI there are many non Muslim scholars of the Qur’an please if you can find a non Muslim scholar who is respected and their controversies are quite minimal who has this same perspective I would gladly reexamine this issue. In any case basing any type of Islamic opinion on Anjem Chaudry and also on this little evidence is quite ignorant.

      • mbplee

        davinaprincess, You ask, ” What are my qualifications to make these statements?”
        I have spent the last 20 years making an unbiased comparative evaluation of Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Taoism, and Atheism without prejudice. I have delved at great lengths into the original origins of religions and cultures of peoples of this world. I have also travelled and seen much of the world and different peoples in different continents and appreciate their ways of life. My life’s experience and my maturity gives me the insights into the myths of cultural beliefs that is impossible without such experiences.
        Islamic interpretation of the Quranic scriptures is very biased and misleading. Muslims have a very narrow and exclusive interpretation of their texts. Muslims have proven that over the centuries they have never been honestly critically introspective, thus they are mired in their own disillusionments and cannot correct themselves. This is why Islam has remained stagnant for 1400 years and will continue to be so until Muslim scholars are willing to be honestly critically introspective and begin to make adjustment to fit into the modern world

      • mbplee

        Idk, you post has already been replied to in other postings.

  3. Reece

    Surat An-Nisā 4:123 – 125 Paradise is not [obtained] by your wishful thinking nor by that of the People of the Scripture. Whoever does a wrong will be recompensed for it, and he will not find besides Allah a protector or a helper
    If any do deeds of righteousness,- be they male or female – and have faith, they will enter Heaven, and not the least injustice will be done to them.
    Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to Allah, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For Allah did take Abraham for a friend.

    I do not read what any other man says about a book I just read the book. it says the book is full and complete. it is also said that anything said after is lies. I don’t believe in hadiths. or any scholars understanding of verses because that is proven to cause corruption.

    Surat An-Nisā 4:49 – 50
    Hast thou not turned Thy vision to those who claim sanctity for themselves? Nay-but Allah Doth sanctify whom He pleaseth. But never will they fail to receive justice in the least little thing.
    Behold! how they invent a lie against Allah! but that by itself is a manifest sin!

    I have quoted from a book as to what it means its not what my own mind has come up with? Are you trying to say god told the Jews something then switched sides? God made the whole of mankind!!!. it says it was ”decreed upon the children of Israel” meaning told before to the jews.. And it says ”a soul” not a ”Muslim soul”
    -Surat Al-Baqarah 2:6
    Indeed, those who disbelieve – it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them – they will not believe

    Whoever that scholar or whoever he is,(I will not waste my time looking him up) he obviously is not learned and he should not be putting across his views on scriptures because he obviously knows nothing.

    Surat At-Tawbah 9:6 – 7
    If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to a place of security. That is because they are men without knowledge.
    How can there be for the polytheists a treaty in the sight of Allah and with His Messenger, except for those with whom you made a treaty at al-Masjid al-Haram? So as long as they are upright toward you, be upright toward them. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].

    Surat An-Nisā 4:29 – 31
    O you who have believed, do not consume one another’s wealth unjustly but only [in lawful] business by mutual consent. And do not kill yourselves [or one another]. Indeed, Allah is to you ever Merciful.
    And whoever does that in aggression and injustice – then We will drive him into a Fire. And easy it is for Allah
    If you avoid the major sins which you are forbidden, We will remove from you your lesser sins and admit you to a noble entrance [into Paradise].

    I can quote a verse that can easily misquoted:

    Surat An-Nisā 4:74 – 76
    ”Let those fight in the cause of Allah Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah,- whether he is slain or gets victory – Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value)”

    (But it continues)

    And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and for those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: “Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!”
    Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan.

    And another easily misquoted verse

    Surat An-Nisā 4:89 – 90
    ”They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-”
    -Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (Guarantees of) peace, then Allah Hath opened no way for you (to war against them)

    Surat An-Nisā4:135
    O ye who believe! stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest ye swerve, and if ye distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do.

    Surat An-Nisā4:173
    But to those who believe and do deeds of righteousness, He will give their (due) rewards,- and more, out of His bounty: But those who are disdainful and arrogant, He will punish with a grievous penalty; Nor will they find, besides Allah, any to protect or help them.

    its is said that Muhammed (pbuh) was told by the angel Gabriel that he could go kill the infidels for there crimes against him and the Muslims and Muhammed refused and said he would not kill any of them because then none of there family would ever convert to the right path
    (paraphrasing)

    And jihad means ”struggle”
    Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) said ”The greatest Jihad is to battle your own soul, to fight the evil within yourself”

    Surat An-Nisā 4:60 -61
    Hast thou not turned Thy vision to those who declare that they believe in the revelations that have come to thee and to those before thee? Their (real) wish is to resort together for judgement (in their disputes) to the Evil One, though they were ordered to reject him. But Satan’s wish is to lead them astray far away.
    When it is said to them: “Come to what Allah hath revealed, and to the Messenger”: Thou seest the Hypocrites avert their faces from thee in disgust.

    Surat An-Nisā 4:171
    O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, “Three”; desist – it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.

    • mbplee

      reecemurda, thank you for your comments. This is not the place for extended discussions so my reply will be very brief. If you wish to discuss your doubts about Islam, try, posting at http://my.telegraph.co.uk/blogs/
      Referring to your quotes, they are all out of context with the whole of the Quran (and Ahadith), and you only quote that which suits your arguments. You have completely neglected taking into consideration of the extensive “abrogations” introduced by Muhammad nullifying the Meccan verses of the Quran but using those obsolete verses to support your arguments. Thus you have either not understood Islamic dualism, or overlooked it unscrupulously for the sake of Taqiyya, attempting to deceive or mislead your opponent. Hence most of your verses carry no currency because it is out of context. Let me illustrate: Your said:
      “And jihad means ”struggle”
      Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) said ”The greatest Jihad is to battle your own soul, to fight the evil within yourself””
      But the truth is:
      “Jihad Means ‘Inner Struggle’
      The Myth:

      Islam’s Western apologists sometimes claim that since the Arabic word, Jihad, literally means “fight” or “struggle,” it refers to an “inner struggle” rather than holy war.

      The Truth:

      In Arabic, “jihad” means struggle. In Islam, it means holy war.

      The Quran specifically exempts the disabled and elderly from Jihad (4:95), which would make no sense if the word is being used merely within the context of spiritual struggle. It is also unclear why Muhammad and his Quran would use graphic language, such as smiting fingers and heads from the hands and necks of unbelievers if he were speaking merely of character development.

      With this in mind, Muslim apologists generally admit that there are two meanings to the word, but insist that “inner struggle” is the “greater Jihad,” whereas “holy war” is the “lesser.” In fact, this misconception is based only on an a single hadith that Islamic scholars generally agreed was fabricated.

      By contrast, the most reliable of all Hadith collections is that of Bukhari. Jihad is mentioned over 200 times in reference to the words of Muhammad and each one carries a clear connotation to holy war, with only a handful of possible exceptions (dealing with a woman’s supporting role during a time of holy war).”

      Hence I recommend you study Islam in greater depth.
      AbdullahMuhammad

  4. Reece

    None of the verses were used out of context if you read Surat An-Nisā you’ll will see they are all totally in context.

    And there is 3 meanings of jihad actually.. the word is the same, its just different contexts you use them in.

    It is you who cannot understand that 1400 years ago things were much different than today, people used to ride around with swords as long as your leg, baby girls were buried alive in the sand as soon as they were born.. human sacrifice was out of control.. murdering was out of control And if them so called humans are willing to bury baby girls and sacrifice humans.. Do you think they could be changed by words? if they could and repent then that’s with God but if they cant and still want to make war and kill there is no wrong with killing someone who has killed or will kill..

    Like if someone today pulled a gun out on your family and was about to kill them.. would it be unjust for a policeman to laser dot and snipe them? No because there was no other way out of the situation a innocent life is worth more.

    All of the war verses are used in the context of war.. if the U.S came up with them verses no one would have a problem with them because they are logical? if your at war and someone tries to kill you and you kill them because there was no other choice or way out of the situation then its not your fault.
    But if you kill someone who wants peace, even if they are ”not innocent” then its a great sin.
    even a pagan who sacrifices humans it says if they want peace ” then Allah Hath opened no way for you (to war against them)”

    I am not saying all Muslims are innocent like with most things 99 percent do not follow properly.

    And Christians And Jews were before the quran was revealed, so obviously who do you think had greater armies.

    The quran is about abstaining from your desires and making your soul clean from sin.

    And I do not believe Bukhari at all in my opinion he done what Paul done to Christianity

    Surat Al-Baqarah 2:124
    And [mention, O Muhammad], when Abraham was tried by his Lord with commands and he fulfilled them. [ Allah ] said, “Indeed, I will make you a leader for the people.” [Abraham] said, “And of my descendants?” [ Allah ] said, “My covenant does not include the wrongdoers.

  5. Bel

    Completely wrong. The word “all man kind” is very clear. Any one who read the Koran should notice usually talk about Muslims or faithfuls or the opposite but in that one it says all man kind that means Muslims Jews Christians Buddhists whatever they are. so stop this game. we respect all religions.

    • mbplee

      agadir, thank you for your comment. This is not the place for an extended debate. You are ignorant of Islam because you are completely out of context of the Koran. It will be only necessssary for me to quote one paragraph that disproves your claims:

      Quran (4:56) – Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment Lo! Allah is ever Mighty, Wise

      That is what Allah has pronounced. I doubt you can dispute it. A Disbeliever (in Islam) can never be an innocent person (or person unjustly killed). Allah Commands that unbelievers must convert or be killed. So it is a just killing if he is a non-believer.

    • mbplee

      Bel, I am not sure if I answered this post of your adequately. I am not sure if you are attempting to be clever, or you are showing me your ignorance (of language). I will post a translation of “Quran 5:32
      [5.32] For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our apostles came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land.”

      Note: “unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land.” This refers to (1) murderers or (2) those who do not accept Allah – infidels. This translation state, “all men” not “all mankind.” It is clear that murderers and infidels are not considered worthy to be included in “all men.”

      Don’t be so gullible, read and try to understand its true meaning.

  6. Bel

    Just to clarify Islam equal terrorism as you said or incite to kill Jews if that is right you wont find any one of them alive today. Muslims never killed them as Hitler did instead they protected them in Andalusia and all Arabic countries till they FORCED to leave by MOSAD, if you dont know 8% of Israelis there origin is Morocco. We are all human we are all against terror and tolerance should be our religion.

  7. maliurj

    The author of this article is an idiot. Yes I said it and I am a Muslim. First of all, Prophet Muhammad salalahu alahi wa salam lived with his grandfather Abu Taalib who died a kafr. He loved his uncle dearly and would not have hurt him in any form or fashion. He even prayed to Allah subhana wa Taala for forgiveness on behalf of his uncle. Secondly, many reverts to Islam have relatives that are not Muslim but are making duaa to Allah subhana wa Taala to guide them to the deen of Islam. These non-Muslims respect Islam and some are even taking steps towards learning about Islam. If we were to randomly kill non-Muslims to whom Prophet Muhammad salalahu alahi wa salam was also sent, then we would be going against the mandates of Allah subhana wa Taala. What about our mothers whom we are strictly instructed to honor but who have not yet accepted Islam due to earlier indoctrination of christian beliefs etc…should we stab them to death because they have not accepted Al Islam according to our schedule? Come on dude, your common sense is severely lacking. Remember Prophet Lut AS who lived amongst the people who committed the vilest act upon men? He did not wage war against them! There are myriad of people who never received the proper teachings of Al Islam and therefore Allah subhana wa Taala will not allow them to become victims by the hands of Muslims before they receive proper knowledge. Didn’t Allah subhana wa Taala grant Firaun an oportunity to repent from shirk? He is Al Khaliq! Every human being born to mankind is a Muslim until they are led astray. Hence, Prophet Muhammad salalahu alahi wa salam was sent to call them back to the fitrah of Al Islam. There are over 7 billion people on earth, with approximately 1.5 of that population being Muslim. You do the math! Are you saying that we are supposed to wage war on over 6 billion people randomly without fulfilling our responsibility to educate them about the deen of Al Islam? Do you really believe that we are not going to be held responsible for failing to fulfill this responsibility? Wake up dude!

    • mbplee

      maliurj, Thank you for your post. Note that I HAVE APPROVED it. This article was posted taking into consideration its “total context” of the whole Quran. Muhammad was a simple illiterate Arab and so the Quran was written in a simple literal language so all could understand its meanings. I try to understand it as Allah would have wanted me to understand it. “I do not attempt to “justify” Allah’s words or message.” That would be blasphemy!
      So when Allah says:
      Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”
      Quran (4:95) – “Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-”

      I believe that Allah meant it and makes no exceptions for uncles or mothers or any other special loved ones who are not of the faith. If he did, he would have said so in the Quran. I cannot find such exceptions.
      I am fully awake and aware of things Islamic. Are you, muliurj? Looks like you may have got the wrong end of the stick at times.

      • abdullah

        as usual you non Muslims are ignorant liars, thank you for showing thats the type of ppl who try to lie about Islam the ignorant oppressors!
        Surah 8:12 spoke about angels who were defending Muslims from genocide: (Remember) when your Lord revealed to the angels, “Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes.”

        Thank you for showing you are a half truth bigot or at the least very ignorant! So i guess you support genocide and not self defense!

        Also you said : Quran (4:56) – Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment Lo! Allah is ever Mighty, Wise

        That is what Allah has pronounced. I doubt you can dispute it. A Disbeliever (in Islam) can never be an innocent person (or person unjustly killed). Allah Commands that unbelievers must convert or be killed. So it is a just killing if he is a non-believer.

        end quote

        The verse said unbeleivers go to hell, it didn’t say you could kill them, (they have time to learn Islam and revert on their own until their natural death as atheists built no civilizations , religion did and ISlam is the only preserved religion of the 124,000 or so Prophets, built the first world trade civilization and taught the west racial eqaulity) see how you are a liar!
        And just in another verse it mentioned angels but you didnt mention that it was for self defense again showing you are a liar or at least ignorant, you take one verse and leave the rest out!

        but your quote on Quran 4:56 adding the concept of murder shows you lie and make up stuff and are ignorant as saying someone is going to hell in another lifetime for denying their Lord who revealed ISlam and then murder in this life time is the same shows you lie/fabricate!

        Oh and re: for the sake of Taqiyya,

        Taqiyyah is a judeo shia concept, as the jew paul entered into christianity and reinvented teh pagan bc trinity as he himself stated in timothy 2 while ignoring the 4 diciples as he himself also admitted contradicting all the Prophets regarding the old law and even james who said deeds are important! showing paul just wants blanket sin, similar to how ppl wanted to evangelize puritan christianity making it less diciplined and more atheistic. Same way a jew named abduall saba pretendded to be Muslim to create shias, shias and zionist always work together, shia groups like the so called Muslim brotherhood a freemason secret order secular fo sunni and pro judeo shia communist group inspired terrorists like awlaki, bin ladin al queda and isis through writers like sayyed qutub (this freemason group brotherhood was funded by britain and communists just as bin ladin and others like isis were funded by zionist cia) who also inpsired 1979 shia revolution yet promotes seucalrism in sunni places, see judaism is racism so they want christians to be secular and forget christainity taught them judaism is racism and cheating loan sharking etc. same way shias want Sunnis to forget they are bigots to Sunni Muslims especially the first generation! because jews and atheists never built a civilization but together formed jusdeo communism tyranny as judaism is organized racism and atheism is organized nothing as useful idiots on the bottom, judaism and atheism being the least in building civilization killing hte most as opposite extremes is clearly a bad record. so judaism and shias want to secularize christians and Muslims and set up wars between them so they can steal the land! Iraq war wmd lies, jewish zionist neo con reporters took shia witnesses who lied and spread them to create iraq war based on wmds lies, so this was a shia jewish terrorsit plot, then there was iran contra etc.

        And taqiyyah is taught in the talmud so its in there ideas in their books:
        Jews May Lie to Non-Jews, Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies (“subterfuges”) to circumvent a Gentile.

        So yea taqiyyyah and bigotry are jewish and shia qualities in their faith. the bible is always changing so it can be in there and atheists have been communist tools who can’t build a civilization so they can learn bigotry too but ISlam is against it, and the ignorant liars, as you have shown you had to lie about verses about hell and say its about murder when they talk about 2 different lifetimes!

        Can you show me where taqiyyah is in the Quran oh yea you can’t because you are teh liar or the ignorant person who mixes up Sunnis with judeo made shias, just like te trinity is judeo made by paul the lone wolf who didn’t meet the diciples and contradicted them and the Prophets!

        Also someon said :Surat At-Tawbah 9:6 – 7
        If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to a place of security. That is because they are men without knowledge.
        How can there be for the polytheists a treaty in the sight of Allah and with His Messenger, except for those with whom you made a treaty at al-Masjid al-Haram? So as long as they are upright toward you, be upright toward them. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].

        end quote

        and you didn’t respond except that you lied because you are a bigot and denied and copy and paste showing you are a bigot!

        and in another post you said : That is the dualism
        See the issue isn’t dualism but the passage of time which would raise the issue is context! which you make up as you did with the verse about going to hell in another lifetime and then saying it means murder in this lifestime showing you are a liar equating the two.

        Self defense is a context as is the context where you don’t need it!

        the general context is peace and defense!

        60:9 – It is only as regards those who fought against you on account of religion, and have driven you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out, that Allah forbids you to befriend them. And whosoever will befriend them, then such are the Zalimun (wrong-doers – those who disobey Allah).

        you are just not an educated person at best!

      • mbplee

        abdullah, believe what you like but do not try to confuse others. No matter what I say will not change your mind but it might shine a light to others.

        Islam Permits Lying to Deceive Unbelievers and Bring World Domination!
        Muslims lie when it is in their interest to do so and “Allah” will not hold them accountable for lying when it is beneficial to the cause of Islam. They can lie without any guilt or fear of accountability or retribution. A lie in the defense of Islam is approved even applauded in their “holy” books.

        By Don Boys, Ph.D.
        KoranWithPrayerBeads
        al-Taqiyya:
        deception; the islamic word for concealing or disguising one’s beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies.

        It is impossible to understand Islam and Muslims by listening to their protestations against terror and their proclamations of patriotism for America. Usually, it is wise and fair to give people the benefit of the doubt but when it comes to national safety and the future of America, we had better look twice, even thrice at Muslim patriotism. Why? Because Islam permits lying! It is called “Al-taqiyya.” One Muslim said that Al-taqiyya means dissimulation then he expanded it to diplomacy but he should have gone further to deception. Now some Muslims who do not follow the Koran are as faithful Americans as any of us, but the problem is, we cannot know.

        Muslims lie not because they are liars by nature but by choice. Systematic lying as a religious policy is deadly, and if our politicians do not understand this, thousands could die.
        It seems our President and his advisors are clueless as to the desires, doctrines, and distinctives of Islam. While I feel a little audacious in giving advice to national leaders, it is necessary since no one else is doing it. Muslims lie not because they are liars by nature but by choice. Systematic lying as a religious policy is deadly, and if our politicians do not understand this, thousands could die.

        Muslims lie when it is in their interest to do so and “Allah” will not hold them accountable for lying when it is beneficial to the cause of Islam. They can lie without any guilt or fear of accountability or retribution. A lie in the defense of Islam is approved even applauded in their “holy” books.

        Muslims are permitted to lie: (1) to save their lives, (2) to reconcile a husband and wife, (3) to persuade a woman into a bedroom and (4) to facilitate one on his journey. Muslims are even permitted to disavow Islam and Mohammed if it is not a genuine heart-felt rejection. Muslims will tell you that concealment of a truth is not an abandonment of that truth if it benefits Islam.

        Mohammed gave permission for a follower to lie in order to kill a Jewish poet who had offended Mohammed. I could provide many examples of permissible lying from the Koran and Hadith and will do so when my critics accuse me of hatred and bigotry because of this column. My motives are not important but the truth is. However, many unprincipled people do not consider truth important. It is political correctness that sits on the throne to be worshiped.

        Muslims may appear very sincere; in fact, they are sincere, when they lie for their own protection or in the cause of Islam. They have permission to lie. Yes, Christians have also lied but never are they given permission to lie. However, a Muslim has no guilt since the Koran and Hadith permit his deception.

        Muslims have no hope for eternal salvation without their good works, so they must keep working to advance Islam. If a few lies will accomplish that goal, then lying is not bad but good. If they can get good publicity for Islam by lying, then lying is acceptable, even desirable.
        They will lie to make Islam more attractive to potential converts as they speak of “no compulsion in religion” while all of them know that verse was abrogated by later verses. They will quote verses that speak of tolerance and kindness knowing that those verses were written when Mohammed was desirous of “tolerance and kindness,” but when he climbed into the catbird seat, everything changed and he became a terrorist.

        Muslims have no hope for eternal salvation without their good works, so they must keep working to advance Islam. If a few lies will accomplish that goal, then lying is not bad but good. If they can get good publicity for Islam by lying, then lying is acceptable, even desirable. The Muslim is earning his way to heaven by lying to a non-Muslim.

        Unlike Christians who are saved once for all by the grace of God through faith in Christ’s propitiatory death, no Muslim knows for sure if his works are good enough for Heaven. The only Muslim who knows for sure that his eternal destiny is secure and he will drop into a delightful garden filled with 72 virgins on soft green cushions is the one who dies while “taking out” unbelievers in Islam.

        Most Muslims will not have the “opportunity” to become a martyr in this war between Islam and the rest of the world and make no mistake every true Muslim must be involved in making America (or the nation where he lives) a Muslim nation. Since Muslims are limited in their ability to die for the cause, they can help the cause by supporting terrorists with money, succor, and cover. Sure, they are aiding terror against the U.S. but since they believe they are doing Allah’s will, then any deception is acceptable.
        http://www.muslimfact.com/bm/terror-in-the-name-of-islam/islam-permits-lying-to-deceive-unbelievers-and-bri~print.shtml

  8. Houman

    With all due respect to authors. As a simple practicing muslim that has read the quran from start to end. It is very easy to understand meanings of words when you see the pattern it was conveyed. It starts with a reminder towards a certain thought or act. Then a history lesson relating to previous part and finally a prayer to help one accomplish that first part.

    In this regard all the parts that mention another group if people are lessons and examples of the first part. It is simple so that an uneducated man that hears it will understand it on his own and not need a highly educated interpretor to explain the words.

    It simply states do not kill an innocent of murder or other harms to man and try to save lives. Infidel or not they are not to be killed under that simple rule.

    As to the “duality” of verses they are simply red lines that Islam allows to change things tonsave ones life. Do not eat pork. But if you are starving its ok and so On. At the end the message is clear. Be grateful and give back.

    In no way it is my intention to insult any one. It has been said, it is the sign of intelligence to be able to contemplate an idea without accepting it”. I am a science scholar and a believer.

    • mbplee

      Houman, Thank you for your comments. In your attempt to be polite, you have not made yourself clear but I am assuming that you are rebutting my comments by your remarks:
      “It simply states do not kill an innocent of murder or other harms to man and try to save lives. Infidel or not they are not to be killed under that simple rule.”

      To me this indicates that you are selecting words out of context of the Quran to glorify “your biased concept” of Islam(taqiyya). That you do not appreciate the totality of the message of Allah in the whole Quran. Let me quote a few verses from the Quran to show you why you are deceitfully out of context and have isolated your verse with the Quran.

      Muslim (1:33) – the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people (infidels) till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah

      Bukhari (8:387) – Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been ordered to fight the people (infidels) till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally.”

      Muslim (1:30) – “The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people(infidel) so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah.”

      Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, “Kill any Jew who falls under your power.”

      Bukhari (52:73) – “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords’.”

      Then in case Women and children are considered “innocent” I quote:

      Tabari 9:69 “Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us” The words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam.

      Bukhari (52:256) – The Prophet… was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, “They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans).” In this command, Muhammad establishes that it is permissible to kill non-combatants in the process of killing a perceived enemy. This provides justification for the many Islamic terror bombings. [The Prophet makes it very clear that a non-Muslim (infidel) is a legitimate target for death. It also implies that only Muslims can be innocent, never infidels. This is a point missed by most apologists of Islam.]

      I hope you will attempt to study Islam in its full context and not take out extracts that could be misleading.

  9. ZAKIR NHUSSAIN

    FOLLOWING ARE CORRECT QUOTES FROM QURAN WHICH PROMOTES HUMANITY..

    This is a question that often comes up in critiques of Islam, especially in light of recent political events. It is incumbent on Muslims to respond to and clear misconceptions stemming from Islam’s perceived stance on violence and interfaith relations.

    The Importance of Context

    The word ‘context’ has two dictionary meanings:

    • The parts of a written or spoken statement that precede or follow a specific word or passage, usually influencing its meaning or effect.

    • The set of circumstances or facts that surround a particular event, situation, etc.

    Any discussion on Qur’anic verses that refer to violence would be meaningless, without a study of the surrounding context. Before we study the verses in question, therefore, let us examine this issue in a wider perspective:

    The Sanctity of Life

    The Glorious Qur’an says:

    “…take not life, which God hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus doth He command you, that ye may learn wisdom.”

    [Al-Qur’an 6:151]

    Islam considers all life forms as sacred. However, the sanctity of human life is accorded a special place. The first and the foremost basic right of a human being is the right to live. The Glorious Qur’an says:

    “…if any one slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.”

    [Al-Qur’an 5:32]

    Such is the value of a single human life, that the Qur’an equates the taking of even one human life unjustly, with killing all of humanity .

    The Verses of War

    The words that often causes consternation among those unfamiliar with Islam, is:

    “…and slay them wherever ye catch them…”

    The truth is that this is only part of the verse 191 of Chapter 2 of the Qur’an. Let us read the verses 190 to 191 in order to get a complete picture:

    “Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.”

    [Al-Qur’an 2:190-191]

    It is a well-known fact of Islamic history, that fighting against aggressors was prohibited during the first thirteen years of the Prophet’s mission. After Muslims migrated to Madina , the verses above were revealed to enable the community to fight in self-defense. The verses that follow clearly indicate Islam’s prohibition on aggression and inclination towards peace:

    “But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.”

    [Al-Qur’an 2:192-193]

    The verses above specifically refer to fighting against oppression and in defense of religious freedom as the Glorious Qur’an says:

    “Let there be no compulsion in religion”

    [Al-Qur’an 2:256]

    Fair-dealing towards all

    When read in context, the above verses do not even remotely suggest an exhortation for Muslims to be vicious or hateful towards people of other faiths. Far from this, the Qur’an actually requires that Muslims conduct themselves with fairness and dignity in all matters, and especially in regard to interfaith relations, as indicated by the following verse:

    “Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just.

    [Al-Qur’an 60:8]

    • mbplee

      ZakirHussain, Thank you for raising these misconceptions about the interpretations of the Quran and suggesting that due consideration be given to the context from which the phrase was derived. Please let me correct the misconceptions of most Muslims of the following:

      (1) ZH: “Let there be no compulsion in religion” [Al-Qur’an 2:256]

      mbplee: Your quote is totally out of context and thus misleading. The complete text must always be read as a couplet:

      Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth stands out clear from error; whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. Allah is the Protector of those who have faith: from the depths of darkness He will lead them forth into light. Of those who reject faith, the patrons are the Evil Ones: from light they will lead them forth into the depths of darkness. They will be companions of the fire to dwell therein (Hell Fires) (for ever).
      Surah 2:256–57

      As I read the couplet, the only choice is between Allah and Shaitan. That is not freedom of choice or religion, it is a compulsion of either choosing Allah or burning in Hell. So the phrase is totally misleading. Because the Quran continues:
      Quran (9:29) – “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”

      So any doubts that Islam will tolerate any other god than Allah is totally misguided. There is total compulsion in Islam.

      (2) ZakirHussain:“…take not life, which God hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus doth He command you, that ye may learn wisdom.”

      [Al-Qur’an 6:151]

      Islam considers all life forms as sacred. However, the sanctity of human life is accorded a special place. The first and the foremost basic right of a human being is the right to live.

      mbplee: The key words are, “which Allah hath made sacred.” These are clearly Muslims he has made sacred. Because Allah has said:
      Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them (disbelievers of Islam) wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing…
      but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)”
      It is clear that Islam does NOT consider disbelievers of Islam as lives that are sacred. This verse makes it very clear, Allah does not consider non-Muslims lives as equal to that of Muslim lives. So this is another popular Islamic misconception that must be destroyed.

      ZakirHussain: “Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just. [Al-Qur’an 60:8]

      mbplee: And yet within the full context of the Quran we find the following verses that contradict Quran 60:8. Which part of the Quran is believable?

      Quran (9:123) – “O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.”

      Quran (2:244) – “Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things.”

      Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.” Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

      Quran (3:56) – “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”

      Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”. This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be ‘joining companions to Allah’).

      Quran (4:74) – “Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.” The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today’s suicide bombers.

      Quran (4:76) – “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…”

      Quran (4:89) – “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”

      Conclusion: Muslims have been misled in their readings of the Quran and cannot even see the obvious. Let’s hope some Muslims will study in greater depth their own scriptures and get the true meanings of the Quran instead of some perverted interpretations.

  10. Beau Bassett

    Muslims will continue to kill so long as there quaran is in there hands. When the quaran is burned and every mosque torn down then bombings, shootings, beheadings, will not happen in the order they have done for the past 1500 years. For what I am doing is blasphemy to the prophet and to any willing muslims they would wish death upon me because I am an unbeliever, ask why there is such little religious freedom in the middle east? because unbelieveing results in death, and nobody wants death upon themselves. Many gay muslims do so in the most private of places and when found to have sinned they often are thrown from buildings or beheaded, just like what ISIL does. Many Iranians and kurds are tolerable muslims but true sunni muslims are a cancer that has caused great harm to the advancment of humans on earth and earth as a whole.

    • mbplee

      BeauBassett, Yes, all you have said is correct and true. Because Islam discourages independent inquiry most Muslims only know the interpretations that their Imams wish them to have. Most of the times, such interpretations are out of context of the Quranic teachings and misleading and wrong. Hence Muslims have only a regimented outlook on the literal immutable word of Allah. Yes, the ideology belongs to the culture of the 7th century and is no longer applicable in modern society.

      • Azzam Khan (@azzamk10)

        You are a joke sir!. How do you know what ‘Muhammads intended meaning was?

      • mbplee

        AzzamKhan,because I read the whole of the Quran in its proper context. Not out of context like so many Muslims do. You have to understand Islamic Dualism.

    • mbplee

      Sorry, unable to respond.

  11. John O'Meara

    I would like to ask mbplee whether his belief/stance is that, as one who reads the Quran accurately, he wishes to see the extermination of non-believers, or whether it is the opposite: that by presenting ‘a true reading of the Quran’ he is trying to discredit Islam and discourage people from following it.

    • mbplee

      JohnO’Meera, Muslims like to present Islam in a favourable light and to do this they often practice Taqiyya (Lies) or quote statements completely out of context to mislead and deceive non-Believers and often themselves included. As the Quran contains the immutable words of Allah, it is often not possible to argue against Allah’s pronouncements. As I can only use the Quran as authentic support for my arguments, I have to establish if those statements are “out of context and thus misleading.” I take the Quran as a Whole and that all concepts are inter-related within the Quran and that the correct concept can be found by evaluating all the verses as one.

      For example when Muslims claim that “there is no compulsion in Islam” but another command in the Quran says: “But the god of you all is the One Allah.there is no god but He: all things He comprehends in His knowledge. (Surah Ta Ha, 98)” So both cannot be right.The latter verse must override the previous. These are the misconceptions in Islam that need to be clarified.

      No, John O’Meera, I am not trying to discredit Islam, I am attempting to show the erroneous interpretations adopted by Muslims of their own Holy Quran, because some Imam choose to distort the truth either out of ignorance or for malicious purposes.

      Only by knowing the truth can we make good judgements for ourselves. I will always try to dispute Taqiyya (lies) of Islam because I have made the effort to learn about Islam.

      • John O'Meara

        Thank you for the clarification. I’m not qualified to argue interpretations of the Quran, but I suspect that truth won’t emerge from textual analysis; rather, I think it will be found in how people behave towards each other, and from this perspective I find, thankfully, that truth is widespread amongst people of all beliefs and none.

  12. Salaman

    You are all a disgrace to Islam. You have misinterpreted the Quran and the teachings
    Of our Holy Prophet Saw to benefit your own violent minds and hatred to those who do not fit in with your beliefs. The Prophet Saw was a man of peace who forbid the harming of people in any form lest it be you are under attack. One day you will leave this Earth and Allah will show you the truth. Allah is the Most Merciful, only HE can judge and decide who lives and dies. You are not a prophet or God to try to brainwash people into believing that anyone who isn’t a Muslim has no worth to their life. You should make Duaa and ask Allah to open your heart and mind to the truth instead of letting the shaytan convince you of these hatred beliefs. Focus on yourselves instead of preaching to people. May Allah have mercy and forgiveness on all of you for twisting our beautiful religion.

    • mbplee

      Salaman, Thank you for your views. Unfortunately you are totally OUT OF CONTEXT OF THE QURAN and thus you have been misguided. Pray to Allah to give you eyes that can see or a mind that can perceive clearly. Bless you!

  13. John O'Meara

    Just to clarify, I don’t myself think that mpb lee is an accurate reader of the Quran, because I suspect that the Quran should not be read in a rationalistic/fault-finding/’Western’ way – that this is to miss the point; rather it is in ‘experiencing’ it (and importantly in the original language) that people find valuable truths. I also believe that Islamic scholarship has paid a lot of attention to historical context, which Mr. Lee largely misses out. But I am no expert, and don’t want to be in a prolonged debate. I am just grateful that the area in which I live is richer and safer as a result of the Muslims who live here as well.

    • mbplee

      John O’Meara, I am so pleased that you feel richer and safer amongst your Muslim neighbours. May you always enjoy such confidence. But we live in a free country and we are blessed with Freedom of Thought and Views. I have expressed mine as comprehensively as possible for others to accept or reject as they please. I have spent many years studying Islam and I feel confident I know what I am talking about. It is up to you to accept or reject it.

  14. Mahmood

    Dear author,

    As a Muslim brother, I sincerely advise you ask for forgiveness from Allah, the Almighty, for your highly strange and unprofessional analysis. Brother, please do not be offended. If you wish to write articles on Islam, you should enrol yourself in Islamic university. You will truly be repentful for the psychotic words you preach. May Allah almighty forgive you after you repent and not burn you in hell fire.

    Why do you want to cause trouble, my brother? If the Quran says, ‘If a person kills someone, it is as though he has killed all of mankind’, why do you want to add more words to that and state Christians and Jews etc are an exception? Brother, you know that is a grave sin to change the Quran’s words – this is in one of the very first few pages of the Quran in fact. If you cannot fund an Islamic degree, you can also practice SATs, which is an American system of examining words. Do not worry that it is American, it is used internationally also and it will InshAllah comfort you in its interpretation techniques moving forward. Please, my friend, I am very afraid for you. Oh Allah, please guide our brother to the right path and do not lead him astray, as you say in Surah Fatiha. Oh Allah, please one day if brother marries a Mo’mineen, that is a Christian or Jew, as you state Muslims can do in Surah Bakarah, let brother not kill his wife in the night. Oh Allah, teach brother to compress his fiery temper and remind him as you say in 6:107 that you have not made our brother the non-muslim keeper, nor guardian over them too. Oh Allah, by all means, encourage brother to praise our Iman but let him read the verses the he may have missed somehow when perhaps distracted by worldly possessions, that there is no compulsion on religion (2:256) and that if the people of other religions choose to dispute us, You are very instructive about what to do next and that is to say, `God best knows (the value of) what you do (22.67)’. Praise to thee, God. Oh Allah, please help brother reach and inhale the perfume of paradise by encouraging him to also read and practice the hadith of our beloved Prophet, peace be upon him. For,
    “whoever kills a person who has a truce with the Muslims will never smell the fragrance of Paradise (Saheeh Muslim).” Finally my brother, a stark warning from Abu Dawud’s recording of a hadith from the messenger of Allah (PBUH):

     “Beware! Whoever is cruel and hard on a non-Muslim minority, or curtails their rights, or burdens them with more than they can bear, or takes anything from them against their free will; I (Prophet Muhammad) will complain against the person on the Day of Judgment.”

    My brother, we fear for you but will not lose hope. Pray in 2/3rds of the night when Allah is listening the most. You should endeavour fasting, my friend, out of Ramadan, and inshAllah, praise Allah, our almighty Allah will forgive you before your life ends. I suggest 4 months fasting this year but maybe you can do it 1 month per season. Oh Allah, let him repent, oh Allah, show your mercy, oh Allah, may he be saved from the burning hellfire once he asks for your forgiveness, oh Allah, let him be saved from eternal burning in the Pits, inshAllah.

  15. Gul Khan Mohmand

    The preacher (now a days) , with his wealth of anecdote and wordy legend. Little has to tell if truth, for all his fine grandiloquence.

    Dear Brother or sister or whatever!!!

    All the verses of Quran you quoted was wonderful hard work of yours to find all these and post it..

    Now let me tell you to learn something.. Quran was completed in 23 years😀 not in one night or on week or month.. You should have read the begining of Islam from 1 Man (Prophet Muhammad SAW) and how Islam spread and the whole scenario of Fights they had with Arab pagans … Not christian or Jewish

    Many verses in which you tried to show that Quran in which ALLAH asked muslim to kill non believers it was the time when 313 first Muslim were surrounded by 10K non believers and were about to get killed. some of the revealations of verses that you mentioned were at the time when Pagan Arab wanted to kill Prophet Muhammad…SAW

    if muslim were asked to kill non believers… ISIS should not cross thousand of kilometers in Paris to kill innocent people instead of going few hundred kilometer in israel to kill Jewish …

    all i would do is to ask for forgiveness for you…

    • mbplee

      Gul Khan Mohmand: Thank you for your comments which I have approved for all to see.
      Unfortunately I do not believe that the Quran was written in 23 years nor was Muhammad the originator of the Quran. I believe that:

      (1) Many don’t know the Koran was an enlarged, revised version of the ancient Word of the Goddess Kore, revered by Mohammed’s tribe, the Koreshites (Children of Kore), who guarded her shrine at Mecca.

      The original writing was done long before Mohammed’s time by holy imams, a word related to Semitic imp, “mother.”

      (2) It was said they took the scriptures from a prototype that existed in heaven from the beginning of eternity, “Mother of the Book” – i.e., the Goddess herself, wearing the Book of Fate on her breast as Mother Tiamat wore the Tablets of Destiny. Sometimes the celestial Koran was called the ***Preserved Tablet.

      (3) There was some resemblance between this and other legendary books of divine origin, such as the ***Ur-text, ***the Book of Thoth and the ***Emerald Tablet of Hermes. As in the case of the Judeo-Christian Bible, the Koran was much rewritten to support new patriarchal laws and to obliterate the figures of the Goddess and her priestesses.

      *****14.1 LAUH MAHFOOZ: The tablet that is protected from any alterations.

      *****14.2 UMM-UL-KITAAB: Because it is the collection of all the Laws, rules and orders of Allah.

      *****14.3 IMAAMUM MUBEEN: Because everything is already written in it.

      *****14.4 KITAABUM MAKNOON: Because its contents are not known to anyone except Allah. [2]

      *****The Preserved Tablet is the Book in which Allaah had written the predestination of His Creation before He created them.

      Allaah Says (what means): {Do you not know that Allaah knows what is in the heaven and earth? Indeed, that is in a Record.}[Quran 22:70] Ibn ‘Atiyyah said: “This (i.e. the Record) is the Preserved Tablet.” Moreover, the Prophet said: “First of all, there was nothing but Allaah and (then He created His throne). His Throne was over the water, and He wrote everything in the Book (in the heaven) and created water, the heavens and the earth.” Ibn Hajar said: “What is meant with Reminder here is the Preserved Tablet.”

      *****As regards the location of this Book, it is in the seventh heaven, as stated by Ash-Shawkaani from some scholars from among our righteous predecessors. However, we are not aware of any authentic narration which clarifies when it was exactly created. *****However, it is confirmed that the Prophet said: “Allaah has decreed the destiny of all the creatures 50,000 years before He created the heavens and the earth.” [Muslim]

      Guy Khan, from the above, it would seem that there is a lot about the Quran that you did not even know. So go and do some deep research to find out more about the mythical origins of the Quran.

  16. Muhammad Barkaat Hussain

    Dear mbplea
    I sincerely wish and pray that Almighty God show all of us His right path. The whole world is one community, created by only one God. People usually differ out of mutual jealously and they have divided themselves in different religions and sects. Every religion and sects claim they they are on Right Path. To find out which one is authentic, please spare some time of your busy life and ask directly from Almighty God with sincerity, O God if you are there please guide me towards your Right Path and keep on asking till you find the response. Definitely you will be guided towards His Right Path.

    • mbplee

      Muhammad Barkaat Hussain, thank you for your comments. Some day perhaps you may find the answers about Allah and his origins and perhaps realise that you are in fact praying to Allal-Hubal the original Allah of the Kaaba. There are unfortunately no “Right Path” to god, because the “Right Path” indicates that others are “Wrong Paths” hence you have just spelt out “Religious Supremacy” a sure path to death and destruction. THINK ON THAT MUHAMMAD. Let me end by quoting from my writings:

      “Supremacist Faiths Kill Others but It is Based on Mythological Beliefs

      Historical and archaeological evidence has proven that the Abrahamic Faiths, in fact all Faiths of this world, are based on mythical legends of imaginative and pious people of ancient times. The legendary figures of Adam and Eve and Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Moses, Jesus, and YHWH, Christian God, Allah, were mythical figures. They never existed and no one has ever proven that they existed. Thus any supremacist ideologies of any such faiths are man-created exclusive doctrines and does not belong to the Divine world. So today’s savagery and killings are based on the absolute supremacy of their god is nothing but false doctrines of that faith. If only the pious could be made to see and accept that faiths are based on myths, the world would be a better place to live in.”

  17. Ebrima Manneh

    Sharia Law made it clear who are innocent among the Muslims and non-Muslims, the prophet lived peacefully with non-Muslims, and there are plenty non-Muslims living in peace in Muslim countries.
    The problem is, those have no sound knowledge of the Qur’an pretend to be its expert.

    • mbplee

      E.Manneh, you cannot take a verse out of context of the Quran. It must also be in harmony with the tenor Of the rest of the context of the whole Quran. Those who attempt to pervert the true meaning for misleading the unwary are scoundrels and blasphemers.

    • mbplee

      ausieconservativeblog, and excellent analysis of Quran 5:32. We should always interpret the Quran in context with the rest of the Holly Book.

  18. rolf

    Have to say I learned a lot from this. Can I believe that the verses of violent nature is done in setting when the muslims where at war and surrounded and had no other option the defend back? Or is this a “supreme” ideology where a muslim life is above more important than a non muslim.

    • mbplee

      rolf, As I see it, Quran 5:32 means that a Muslim has no right to kill anther person/Miuslim unless he is guilty of Murder or makes Mischief [meaning speaks against Islam in any form; i.e., is a non-Muslim.]

      The meaning is straight forward.

  19. rolf

    If a person kills someone, it is as though he has killed all of mankind’, I have told that this sentence is not in the quran, I mean the original arabic. But is a translation regarding only the jews. Is this true? Can someone take a photo of the original and translate?

    • mbplee

      rolfeilert, I only have these translations:

      The Quranic Arabic Corpus – Translations

    • Muhammad Barkaat Hussain

      Dear Rolf Please find the original text in arabic and translation in english.

      مِنْ أَجْلِ ذَٰلِكَ كَتَبْنَا عَلَىٰ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ أَنَّهُ مَن قَتَلَ نَفْسًا بِغَيْرِ نَفْسٍ أَوْ فَسَادٍ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا وَمَنْ أَحْيَاهَا فَكَأَنَّمَا أَحْيَا النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا وَلَقَدْ جَاءَتْهُمْ رُسُلُنَا بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ ثُمَّ إِنَّ كَثِيرًا مِّنْهُم بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ فِي الْأَرْضِ لَمُسْرِفُونَ

      From time that, We ordained on (the) Children (of) Israel that he who kills a soul other than (for) a soul or (for) spreading corruption in the earth then (it) is as if he has killed all [the] mankind, and whoever saves it then (it) is as if he has saved all [the] mankind. And surely came to them Our Messengers with clear Signs yet, indeed, many of them after that in the earth (are) surely those who commit excesses.
      For detail
      http://islamawakened.com/quran/5/32/

  20. Freddy

    Most of this article is false and misinterpretated. This person can’t be serious. When ever it mentions God saying fight them it’s because of self defense because it would be contra ticking the previous verses on the Quran about not killing any soul Muslim or non-Muslim. You have totally taken things out of context. The verse where it says killing a Muslim soul ????? It doesn’t mean that it says soul in Arabic not believers soul as if you killed all Nanking. It clearly states any soul without a good reason !!!!!!! Is as if you killed all mankind read the Quran good before you lie to your self and lie to the masses and go back to the first verses it says that even those infidels that want to kill you if they stop THEN GOD IS THE MOST FORGiVER !!!!!! What is wrong with you???????????. Stop deceiving yourself and the masses.

    • mbplee

      Farid_reda657 and rolfeilert1970 let me quote a lengthy quote to satisfy your confusion about Quran 5:32

      “The Holy Koran teaches that whoever kills an innocent, it is as if he has killed all mankind; and whoever saves a person, it is as if he has saved all mankind.” So said Obama is his speech at Cairo on June 4, 2009, intended to the Muslim world.

      This quote is taken from verse 5:32 of the “Holy Koran”. Let us first quote the full verse and see what it says (Yusuf Ali translation):

      “[005:032] On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.”
      The first thing to note is that, the command (allegedly of Allah) applies to the “Children of Israel” (i.e. Jews). It does not apply to Muslims. Probably, that is why you find a lot of killings of innocent civilians by extremist Muslims today. The extremist Muslims read nothing but the Koran and know their stuff better than the moderate Muslims and non-Muslims who don’t read the Quran.

      Secondly, the verse does not use the word “innocent” anywhere, in any translation, which you can see at this link from Islamist site.

      Thirdly, a person can be slain for (i) murder or (ii) for spreading mischief in the land (fasad). Now what is spreading mischief in the land (fasad)? The next verse 5:33 says:

      The punishment of those who wage war against God and His Apostle, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
      Let us see from other ayats, what this “spreading mischief” means:

      Quran 7:103: Then after them We sent Moses with Our signs to Pharaoh and his chiefs, but they wrongfully rejected them: So see what was the end of those who made mischief(Mufisdoon).[So rejecting prophet /not converting to Islam is “mischief” and non-Muslims can be put to death]

      Quran 8:73: The Unbelievers are protectors, one of another: Unless ye do this, (protect each other), there would be tumult and oppression on earth, and great mischief. [So, again unbelievers are mischief-makers-Providing Muslims equal citizenship rights and all rights -this would make us “mischief makers”]

      Now let us see some of the renowned Tafsirs, how they define “mischief”:

      “Because of that, which Cain did, We decreed for the Children of Israel that whoever slays a soul for other than a soul, slain, or for, other than, corruption, committed, in the land, in the way of unbelief, fornication or waylaying and the like, it shall be as if he had slain mankind altogether; and whoever saves the life of one, by refraining from slaying, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind — Ibn ‘Abbās said [that the above is meant] in the sense of violating and protecting its [a soul’s] sanctity [respectively]. Our messengers have already come to them, that is, to the Children of Israel, with clear proofs, miracles, but after that many of them still commit excesses in the land, overstepping the bounds through disbelief, killing and the like.” [Tafsir Al Jalalyn]

      “…Sa’id bin Jubayr said, “He who allows himself to shed the blood of a Muslim, is like he who allows shedding the blood of all people. He who forbids shedding the blood of one Muslim, is like he who forbids shedding the blood of all people.” In addition, Ibn Jurayj said that Al-A`raj said that Mujahid commented on the Ayah, (it would be as if he killed all mankind) “He who kills a believing soul intentionally, Allah makes the Fire of Hell his abode, He will become angry with him, and curse him, and has prepared a tremendous punishment for him, equal to if he had killed all people, his punishment will still be the same.” Ibn Jurayj said that Mujahid said that the Ayah, (and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind.) means, “He who does not kill anyone, then the lives of people are safe from him.” [Ibn Kathir’s Tafsir]

      Now I will examine the full story behind that verse. Recall that the verse commenced with “On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel”. Now the questions are:

      On what account?

      Was it really ordained for the Children of Israel by God? Was it there in the Torah?

      For this, we need to examine verses 5.27-5.31 of the Quran, which narrate the story of two sons of Adam:

      Recite to them the truth of the story of the two sons of Adam. Behold! they each presented a sacrifice (to God): It was accepted from one, but not from the other. Said the latter: “Be sure I will slay thee.” “Surely,” said the former, “God doth accept of the sacrifice of those who are righteous. If thou dost stretch thy hand against me, to slay me, it is not for me to stretch my hand against thee to slay thee: for I do fear God, the cherisher of the worlds. For me, I intend to let thee draw on thyself my sin as well as thine, for thou wilt be among the companions of the fire, and that is the reward of those who do wrong. The (selfish) soul of the other led him to the murder of his brother: he murdered him, and became (himself) one of the lost ones. Then God sent a raven, who scratched the ground, to show him how to hide the shame of his brother. “Woe is me!” said he; “Was I not even able to be as this raven, and to hide the shame of my brother?” then he became full of regrets.

      “Recite to them the truth of the story of the two sons of Adam. Behold! they each presented a sacrifice (to God): It was accepted from one, but not from the other”… Nothing is very clear in these verses unless we refer the Torah, where the story of Abel and Cain, the sons of Adam, is narrated. Now Quran does not even contain the names of the two sons of Adam and their sacrifices to God. So what is the purpose of repeating the incomplete story in the Quran, when the complete one is already narrated in the Torah as this:

      …And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto HaShem. And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And HaShem had respect unto Abel and to his offering; but unto Cain and to his offering He had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
      The rejection of Cain’s offering made him jealous and he killed Abel. Now what has this got to do with verse 5.32? Only one individual was murdered. There was no intent/action on part of Cain to commit mass murders. Secondly, this verse 5.32 said to be ordained for Jews is not found in Torah at all. It is found in Talmud. Let us see what Talmud says in Mishnah Sanhedrin:

      You may also be aware of the fact that there is no similarity between civil and criminal cases. In civil cases one may repay the money damage and he is atoned; but in criminal cases the blood of the person executed, and of his descendants to the end of all generations, clings to the originator of his execution. So do we find in the case of Cain, who slew his brother. It reads [Gen. iv. 10]: “The voice of the ‘bloods’ of thy brother are crying unto me from the ground.” It does not read “blood,” but “bloods,” which means his blood and the blood of his descendants. [According to others it reads “bloods” in the plural, because his blood was scattered all over the trees and stones.] Therefore the man was created singly, to teach that he who destroys one soul of a human being, the Scripture considers him as if he should destroy a whole world, and him who saves one soul of Israel, the Scripture considers him as if he should save a whole world. And also because of peace among creatures, so that one should not say: My grandfather was greater than yours; and also that the heretic shall not say: There are many creators in heaven; and also to proclaim the glory of the Holy One, blessed be He. For a human being stamps many coins with one stamp, and all of them are alike; but the King of the kings of kings, the Holy One, blessed be He, has stamped every man with the stamp of Adam the First, and nevertheless not one of them is like the other. Therefore every man may say: The world was created for my sake, hence I must be upright, just, etc.

      Thus, the verse—“he who destroys one soul of a human being, the Scripture considers him as if he should destroy a whole world, and him who saves one soul of Israel, the Scripture considers him as if he should save a whole world”—is not there in the sacred Torah. Actually, it was the commentary or interpretation of Jewish scholars/Rabbis of the Torah. The above commentary explains Genesis 4:10 and also the spiritual significance of the Adam and Eve story. It explains why only one Adam was created and not multiple of Adams. Muhammad, from his patchy knowledge, failed to figure out that this was a commentary on Genesis 4.10 and the significance of the creation of Adam story, and mistook it to be a revealed text. He distorted the sublime teachings of Talmud to this:
      On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.

      In fact, many Muslims do not quote the full text of verse 5.32, because it is a badly messed up and distorted version of the original from the Talmud, and that quoting the full verse will cause them embarrassment. In this context, it is worth examining Maulana Maududi’s comments:

      It is a pity that the precious words which embody God’s ordinance are to be found nowhere in the Bible today. The Talmud, however, does mention this subject…… The Talmud also mentions that in trials for murder, the Israelite judges used to address the witnesses as follows: Whoever kills one person, merits punishment as if he had slain all the men in the world.

      Maududi acknowledges that the verse 5.32, said to be revealed by God to the Jews, are not there in Torah but in the Talmud. But he cleverly conceals the full context, in which these words are found in the Talmud.

      Conclusion

      Muhammad, aka Allah, erroneously mistook Quran 5:32 to be a revealed verse of the Torah. He didn’t know that it was in the Talmud and couldn’t figure out how “Whoever kills one person, merits punishment as if he had slain all the men in the world” was connected to the Abel and Cain story.

      http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/82-jabali/65-killing-humanity-obama-misinterprets-quran-532-passes-noble-jewish-teaching-as-islamic.html

  21. yasir

    You my freind are sick

    • mbplee

      yasir, I am sorry you possess no logic.

  22. ihsanullah

    Islam is the name of love dear.the reference are wrong

    • mbplee

      ihsanullah, please quote Verse and chapter to support your claim.

    • rolf

      Death to infidels? Does it mean a spiritual kind of death , like those unbelivers failes to become whole peaceful beings?

      • mbplee

        Is that how you see it?

  23. KAICI

    Ibn `Abbas says: The Messenger of Allah, when dispatching his troops, would tell them, ” ..Do not behave treacherously, nor misappropriate war-booty, nor mutilate [those whom you kill], nor kill children, nor the people in cloisters.” (Musnad Ahmad, Sunan At-Tirmidhî)
    Another narration records that he said, “…Do not kill a woman, nor a child, nor an old-aged man’ (Sharh as-Sunnah Al-Baghawî)
    Narrated Anas ibn Malik: The Prophet said: Go in Allah’s name, trusting in Allah, and adhering to the religion of Allah’s Apostle. Do not kill a decrepit old man, a young infant, or a child, or a woman; do not be dishonest about booty, but collect your spoils, do right and act well, for Allah loves those who do well. (Sunan Abî Dawûd)
    And again, “Do not kill a child, nor a woman, nor an old man, nor obliterate a stream, nor cut a tree…” (Sunan Al-Bayhaqî)

    how merciful and noble the prophet was, a true prophet of God would never order the slaughter of women and children, a true prophet would spare them since they are innocent of what their men do, and that is exactly what the prophet did.

    • mbplee

      Kaiti I suppose you are not aware of the following:

      “Saheeh Bukhari
      Volumn 004, Book 052, Hadith Number 256.

      Narated By As-Sab bin Jaththama : The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, “They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans).” I also heard the Prophet saying, “The institution of Hima is invalid except for Allah and His Apostle.”

      So please do not quote out of context.

      • KAICI

        however islam is a religion of love peace and tolerance
        .judging islam on the basis of a few muslims or false hadiths is like eating a rotten fruit and blaming the whole tree

      • Muhammad Barkaat Hussain

        My dear mbplee- Please read Holy Quran and Holy Hadiths in its complete form putting biased at one side with open heart and mind. You shall realize that our Creator consider His creation as one family. A person is honorable before God Almighty who is good to His family. You shall find hundreds of verses in Holy Quran and more than in Holy Hadiths which promote peace, harmony, empathy and altruism. However, at the same time Islam advice not to remain silent against crime and curruption and proposes severe punishment who make crime or curruption in society. The above mentioned hadith is authentic which you mentioned and is related to criminals people, which are threat to society.

      • mbplee

        MUHD HUSSAIN, you may be correct. If so then all the Muslims in this world must be wrong. Look around you and tell me when was there ever a period of compassion in Islam? Perhaps, the Quran was never the word of Allah but of ambitious/unscrupulous men?

  24. mbplee

    KAICI, please provide citations that Islam is a religion of love, peace and tolerance. The Quran proves otherwise, i.e.

    The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called ‘hypocrites’ and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.
    Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by historical context contained in the surrounding text (although many Muslims choose to think of them that way). They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subject to interpretation as anything else in the Quran.

    The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God. Most contemporary Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book’s call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Their apologists cater to these preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.

    Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad’s own martial legacy, along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran, have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history.
    https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx

    Also read this:
    http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/20975

    • KAICI

      Islam according to the Quran teaches love and compassion for every human being, no matter their religion, says author Adnan Oktar whose television show is watched by millions in Turkey and the Arab world. He believes the problem for the majority of Muslims is that some groups are following traditions and superstitions invented centuries after the Quran was first sent and the Prophet lived, and these have gotten more radical over time.
      “There is no compulsion where the religion is concerned.” (Holy Quran: 2/ 256)

      As stated in the verse, no one can be compelled to live by Islamic morals. Conveying the existence of God and the morals of the Qur’an to other people is a duty for believers, but they call people to the path of God with kindness and love and they never force them. It is only God Who guides people to the right way. This is related in the following verse:

      “You cannot guide those you would like to but God guides those He wills. He has best knowledge of the guided.” (Holy Quran/28: 56)
      he Quran provides an environment where people can fully enjoy freedom of thought and freedom of religion and allows people to live by the faith and values they believe in. According to Islam, everyone has the right to live freely by his beliefs, whatever they may be. Anyone who wants to support a church, a synagogue or a mosque must be free to do so. In this sense, freedom of religion, or freedom of belief, is one of the basic tenets of Islam. There is always freedom of religion wherever the moral values of the Qur’an prevail.
      That is why Muslims also treat Jews and Christians, described in the Qur’an as “the People of the Book,” with great justice, love and compassion. God says in the Qur’an:

      “God does not forbid you from being good to those who have not fought you in the religion or driven you from your homes, or from being just towards them. God loves those who are just.” (Surat al-Mumtahana, 8)
      Muslims who share these basic values believe in the need to act together with Christians and Jews. They therefore strive to eliminate prejudices stemming from provocations by unbelievers and fanatics. Jews, Christians and Muslims should strive together to spread moral virtues across the world.

      God explicitly states that the existence of people from different faiths and opinions is something that we have to acknowledge and welcome heartily, for this is how He created and predestined humankind in this world:

      “We have appointed a law and a practice for every one of you. Had God willed, He would have made you a single community, but He wanted to test you regarding what has come to you. So compete with each other in doing good. Every one of you will return to God and He will inform you regarding the things about which you differed.” (Surat al-Ma’ida, 48)

      In acknowledgment of this fact, Muslims have an inner love and compassion for people of all faiths, races and nations, for they consider them as the manifestations of God in this world and treat them with an heartfelt respect and love. This is the very basis of communities administered by Islamic morality.

      The values of the Qur’an hold a Muslim responsible for treating all people, whether Muslim or non-Muslim, kindly and justly, protecting the needy and the innocent and “preventing the dissemination of mischief”. Mischief comprises all forms of anarchy and terror that remove security, comfort and peace.

      “God does not love corruption”. (Surat al-Baqara, 205)

    • KAICI

      As only the Islamophobes, who hate Islam or those Muslims, who want to enforce Shariah Law, of their imagination, by hook or crook, make headlines, the compassionate teachings of the Holy Quran are lost to the ordinary, non-Muslim observer.

      The Holy Quran talks about One God and one human family.

      Here, I want to stress the Quranic message of compassion, love and kindness by cataloging, as many verses, as I can, realizing that it can never be an exhaustive list as other readers will continue to find new ideas of mercy and grace in other verses of the Holy Quran.

      I will count the verses, in this post, as I go along.

      The Quran stresses that righteousness is not in precise observance of the rituals but in acts of compassion and kindness. It says that the litmus test for true belief and genuine worship is that it leads to compassionate living:

      1. It is not righteousness that you turn your faces to the East or the West, but truly righteous is he who believes in Allah and the Last Day and the angels and the Book and the Prophets, and spends his money for love of Him, on the kindred and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and those who ask for charity, and for ransoming the captives; and who observes Prayer and pays the Zakat; and those who fulfill their promise when they have made one, and the patient in poverty and afflictions and the steadfast in time of war; it is these who have proved truthful and it is these who are the God-fearing. (Al Quran 2:178)
      Every Friday in the second part of the sermon, Muslims all over the world hear a verse, which stresses, justice, kindness and natural mutual love as among the closest blood relatives:

      2. Indeed, Allah enjoins justice, and the doing of good to others; and giving like kindred; and forbids indecency, and manifest evil, and wrongful transgression. He admonished you that you may take heed. (Al Quran 16:91)
      Allah says that to be godly is to be compassionate. He makes His relationship or His Providence to the common man, conditional to common human compassion, by claiming that those, who wish to find Him, will succeed only if they are kind and compassionate to the common people:

      3. And as for those who strive in Our path — We will surely guide them in Our ways. And Indeed, Allah is with those who are of service to others. (Al Quran 29:70)

      4. Indeed, Allah is with those who are righteous and those who do good. (Al Quran 16:129)
      Allah says that we should be the first and take initiative to do good to others, but, if others have been kind to us, in the first place, we have no choice, but to return the favor:

      5. The reward of goodness is nothing but goodness. (Al Quran 55:61)
      In one of the verses, which is recited at the time of marriage ceremony, Allah links the responsibility owed to Him to kind treatment of the in-laws relationships:

      6. O ye people! fear your Lord, Who created you from a single soul and created therefrom its mate, and from them twain spread many men and women; and fear Allah, in Whose name you appeal to one another, and be mindful of your duty to Allah, particularly respecting ties of relationship. Verily, Allah watches over you. (Al Quran 4:2)
      In the very beginning of every chapter or Sura of the Holy Quran, except one, we read, “In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.”

      Allah is not only the Gracious and the Merciful, but, also wants humanity to be gracious and merciful, to each other, in their spheres and this can be inferred from many verses of the Holy Quran.

      As this verse is in the beginning of 113 chapters, except for Sura Taubah and in the middle of one Sura, it really sky rockets my count of verses here.

      7-120. In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
      Let me make a suggestion here, now, that we have 120 instructions from the All Knowing God, to be kind, merciful and compassionate.

      Anyone, who has conscious or unconscious desire to benefit from political Islam, should first try this repeated teaching of being compassionate for a few decades. May be it will assuage his or her political ambition and bring him or her to true teachings of Islam.

      The Holy Quran suggests compassion and kindness to be a recipe to turn ones enemies into bosom friends:

      121-122. And good and evil are not alike. Repel evil with that which is best. And lo, he between whom and thyself was enmity will become as though he were a warm friend. But none is granted it save those who are steadfast; and none is granted it save those who possess a large share of good. (Al Quran 41:35-36)
      Now, I am going to catalog all occurrences of the word “Mohsin,” in Arabic, in the Quran, in singular or plural form, as it means, one who does good and is of service to others. Two of these occurrences have already been counted above and I will not repeat those here:

      123. It shall be no sin for you if you divorce women while you have not touched them, nor settled for them a dowry. But provide for them — the rich man according to his means and the poor man according to his means — a provision in a becoming manner, an obligation upon the virtuous. (Al Quran 2:237)

      124. Those who spend in prosperity and adversity, and those who suppress anger and pardon men; and Allah loves those who do good. (Al Quran 3:135)

      125. So Allah gave them the reward of this world, as also an excellent reward of the next; and Allah loves those who do good. (Al Quran 3:149)

      126. And who is better in faith than he who submits himself to Allah, and he is a doer of good, and follows the religion of Abraham, the upright? And Allah took Abraham for a special friend. (Al Quran 4:126)

      127. So, because of their breaking their covenant, We have cursed them, and have hardened their hearts. They pervert the words from their proper places and have forgotten a good part of that with which they were exhorted. And thou wilt not cease to discover treachery on their part, except in a few of them. So pardon them and turn away from them. Surely, Allah loves those who do good. (Al Quran 5:14)

      128. So Allah rewarded them, for what they said, with Gardens beneath which streams flow. Therein shall they abide; and that is the reward of those who do good. (Al Quran 5:86)

      129. On those who believe and do good works there shall be no sin for what they eat, provided they fear God and believe and do good works, and again fear God and believe, yet again fear God and do good. And Allah loves those who do good. (Al Quran 5:94)

      130. And We gave him Isaac and Jacob; each did We guide aright, and Noah did We guide aright aforetime, and of his progeny, David and Solomon and Job and Joseph and Moses and Aaron. Thus do We reward those who do good. (Al Quran 6:85)

      131. And remember the time when We said: “Enter this village and eat therefrom — wherever you will — plentifully; and enter the gate submissively and say: ‘God! forgive us our sins.’ We shall forgive you your sins and We shall give increase to those who do good. (Al Quran 2:59)

      132. And create not disorder in the earth after it has been set in order, and call upon Him in fear and hope. Surely, the mercy of Allah is nigh unto those who do good. (Al Quran 7:57)

      133. And when it was said to them, “Dwell in this town and eat therefrom wherever you will, and say, ‘God! lighten our burden,’ and enter the gate in humility, We shall forgive you your sins, and surely We shall give increase to those who do good.” (Al Quran 7:162)

      134. No blame lies on the weak, nor on the sick, nor on those who find naught to spend, if they are sincere to Allah and His Messenger. There is no cause of reproach against those who do good deeds; and Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful. (Al Quran 9:91)

      135. It was not proper for the people of Medina and those around them from among the Arabs of the desert that they should have remained behind the Messenger of Allah or that they should have preferred their own lives to his. That is because there distresses them neither thirst nor fatigue nor hunger in the way of Allah, nor do they tread a track which enrages the disbelievers, nor do they cause an enemy any injury whatsoever, but there is written down for them a good work on account of it. Surely, Allah suffers not the reward of those who do good to be lost. (Al Quran 9:120)

      136. And be thou steadfast; for surely, Allah suffers not the reward of the righteous to perish. (Al Quran 11:116)

      137. And when he attained his age of full strength, We granted him judgment and knowledge. And thus do We reward the doers of good. (Al Quran 12:23)

      138. And with him there entered the prison two young men. One of them said, ‘I saw myself in a dream pressing wine.’ And the other said, ‘I saw myself in a dream carrying upon my head bread of which the birds are eating. Inform us of the interpretation thereof; for we see thee to be of the righteous.’ (Al Quran 12:37)

      139. And thus did We establish Joseph in the land. He dwelt therein wherever he pleased. We bestow Our mercy on whomsoever We please, and We suffer not the reward of the righteous to perish. (Al Quran 12:57)

      140. They said, ‘O exalted one, he has a very aged father, so take one of us in his stead; for we see thee to be of those who do good.’ (Al Quran 12:79)

      141. They replied, ‘Art thou Joseph?’ He said, ‘Yes, I am Joseph and this is my brother. Allah has indeed been gracious to us. Verily, whoso is righteous and is steadfast — Allah will never suffer the reward of the good to be lost.’ (Al Quran 12:91)

      142. Their flesh reaches not Allah, nor does their blood, but it is your righteousness that reaches Him. Thus has He subjected them to you, that you may glorify Allah for His guiding you. And give glad tidings to those who do good. (Al Quran 22:38)

      143. And when he reached his age of full strength and attained maturity, We gave him wisdom and knowledge; and thus do We reward those who do good. (Al Quran 28:15)

      144. A guidance and a mercy for those who do good. (Al Quran 31:4)

      145. And he who submits himself completely to Allah, and is a doer of good, he has surely grasped a strong handle. And with Allah rests the end of all affairs. (Al Quran 31:23)

      146. ‘But if you desire Allah and His Messenger and the Home of the Hereafter, then truly Allah has prepared for those of you who do good a great reward.’ (Al Quran 33:30)

      147. Thus indeed do We reward those who do good. (Al Quran 37:81)

      148. ‘Thou hast indeed fulfilled the dream.’ Thus indeed do We reward those who do good. (Al Quran 37:106)

      149. Thus do We reward those who do good. (Al Quran 37:111)

      150. And We bestowed blessings on him and Isaac. And among their progeny are some who do good and others who clearly wrong themselves. (Al Quran 37:114)

      151. Thus indeed do We reward those who do good. (Al Quran 37:122)

      152. Thus indeed do We reward those who do good. (Al Quran 37:132)

      153. They will have with their Lord whatever they desire; that is the reward of those who do good. (Al Quran 39:35)

      154. “Or lest it should say, when it sees the punishment, ‘Would that there were for me a return to the world, I would then be among those who do good!’” (Al Quran 39:59)

      155. And before it there was the Book of Moses, a guide and a mercy; and this is a Book in the Arabic language fulfilling previous prophecies, that it may warn those who do wrong; and as glad tidings to those who do good. (Al Quran 46:13)

      156. Receiving what their Lord will give them; for they used to do good before that. (Al Quran 51:17)

      157. Thus surely do We reward those who do good. (Al Quran 77:45)

      158. Nay, whoever submits himself completely to Allah, and is the doer of good, shall have his reward with his Lord. No fear shall come upon such, neither shall they grieve. (Al Quran 2:113)

      159. And spend for the cause of Allah, and cast not yourselves into ruin with your own hands, and do good; surely, Allah loves those who do good. (Al Quran 2:196)
      When it comes to the specifics, as to who is most deserving of our compassion and kindness, the Holy Prophet Muhammad, may peace be on him, advised in favor of the mothers. There is a popular Hadith that almost every Muslim knows. A companion of the Prophet, asked him, “Who is most deserving of my good treatment?” “Your mother,” said the Prophet. Companion asked and then after her? “Your mother,” repeated the Prophet. It was only on the fourth query that the Prophet said, “Your father.”

      Those who accuse Islam of gender inequality have perhaps not heard of this Hadith!

      Let me, now, tabulate a few verses about the parents:

      160. And remember the time when We took a covenant from the children of Israel: ‘You shall worship nothing but Allah and show kindness to parents and to kindred and orphans and the poor, and speak to men kindly and observe Prayer, and pay the Zakat;’ then you turned away in aversion, except a few of you. (Al Quran 2:84)

      161. They ask thee what they shall spend. Say: ‘Whatever of good and abundant wealth you spend should be for parents and near relatives and orphans and the needy and the wayfarer. And whatever good you do, surely Allah knows it well.’ (Al Quran 2:216)

      162. And worship Allah and associate naught with Him, and show kindness to parents, and to kindred, and orphans, and the needy, and to the neighbor that is a kinsman and the neighbor that is a stranger, and the companion by your side, and the wayfarer, and those whom your right hands possess. Surely, Allah loves not the proud and the boastful. (Al Quran 4:37)

      163. Say, ‘Come, I will rehearse to you what your Lord has forbidden: that you associate not anything as partner with Him and that you do good to parents, and that you kill not your children for fear of poverty — it is We Who provide for you and for them — and that you approach not foul deeds, whether open or secret; and that you kill not the life which Allah has made sacred, save by right. That is what He has enjoined upon you, that you may understand. (Al Quran 6:152)

      ‘164. Our Lord, grant forgiveness to me and to my parents and to the believers on the day when the reckoning will take place.’ (Al Quran 14:42)

      165. Thy Lord has commanded, “Worship none but Him, and show kindness to parents. If one of them or both of them attain old age with thee, never say unto them any word expressive of disgust nor reproach them, but address them with excellent speech. (Al Quran 17:24)

      166. And We have enjoined on man kindness to his parents; but if they strive to make thee associate that with Me of which thou hast no knowledge, then obey them not. Unto Me is your return, and I shall inform you of what you did. (Al Quran 29:9)

      167. And We have enjoined on man concerning his parents — his mother bears him in weakness upon weakness, and his weaning takes two years — ‘Give thanks to Me and to thy parents. Unto Me is the final return. (Al Quran 31:15)

      168. And We have enjoined on man to be good to his parents. His mother bears him with pain, and brings him forth with pain. And the bearing of him and his weaning takes thirty months, till, when he attains his full maturity and reaches the age of forty years, he says, ‘My Lord, grant me the power that I may be grateful for Thy favour which Thou hast bestowed upon me and upon my parents, and that I may do such good works as may please Thee. And make my seed righteous for me. I do turn to Thee; and, truly, I am of those who submit to Thee.’ (Al Quran 46:16)
      There are additional verses about the parents in the Holy Quran, but, as I am feeling more comfortable about my target of 200, I am going to leave those and talk about the teachings about spouses:

      169. It is made lawful for you to go in unto your wives on the night of the fast. They are a garment for you, and you are a garment for them. (Al Quran 2:188)

      170. Consort with them in kindness; and if you dislike them, it may be that you dislike a thing wherein Allah has placed much good. (Al Quran 4:20)
      What does the Quran says about the weakest in our society, the orphans? Here, are a few vereses:

      171. And they ask thee concerning the orphans. Say: ‘Promotion of their welfare is an act of great goodness. And if you intermix with them, they are your brethren. And Allah knows the mischief-maker from the reformer. And if Allah had so willed, He would have put you to hardship. Surely, Allah is Mighty, Wise.’ (Al Quran 2:21)

      172. And if you fear that you will not be fair in dealing with the orphans, then marry of women as may be agreeable to you, two, or three, or four; and if you fear you will not deal justly, then marry only one or what your right hands possess. That is the nearest way for you to avoid injustice. (Al Quran 4:4)

      173. And when other relations and orphans and the poor are present at the division of heritage, give them something therefrom and speak to them words of kindness. (Al Quran 4:9)

      174. And they seek of thee the decision of the Law with regard to women. Say, Allah gives you His decision regarding them. And so does that which is recited to you in the Book concerning the orphan girls whom you give not what is prescribed for them and whom you desire to marry, and concerning the weak among children. And He enjoins you to observe equity towards the orphans. And whatever good you do, surely Allah knows it well. (Al Quran 4:128)

      175. So the orphan, oppress not. (Al Quran 93:10)
      The Holy Quran advises us to be compassionate to any one who asks for our favor:

      176. And him who seeks thy help, chide not. (Al Quran 93:11)
      Continuing with verses about kindness and compassion in general:

      177. Those who believe and do good deeds — the Gracious God will create love in their hearts. (Al Quran 19:97)
      One of the attributes of Allah is ‘The Merciful,’ Arabic word رحيم (Raheem) and the believers are required to emulate the attributes of Allah in their limited spheres. I just searched the word رحيم in Arabic search for the Quran in Alislam website and found that it occurs at least 227 times, including the first verse of each of the chapters of the Holy Quran, except for one. As we highlighted before, there are 114 mentions of “In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful,” in the Quran, which we have already counted.

      This gives me 113 additional mentions for being kind and merciful: 177 + 113 = 290.

      I saved one of the most important verses in this regards, for the very end, “And We (Allah) have sent thee (Muhammad) not but as a mercy for all peoples.” (Al Quran 21:108)

      Now our count here is 291.

      I rest my case!

      May Allah give us true understanding of our faith. Ameen!

      • mbplee

        kaici, I commend you on your efforts. But your quotes do not make sense and are out or context with the fundamental tone of the Holy Quran. The true tone of the Quran is the preaching of the superiority of Islam over all other beliefs. For Islam teaches that is “No god but Allah.” And that there is compulsion in Islam, i.e., accept Allah or Shaitan – that is the only choice available. All who do not accept Allah are infidels and are given the choice to submit to Allah or death. On this matter there is no choice.

        The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. There are no exceptions. Violence is so ingrained in Islam that it has never really stopped being at war, either with other religions or with itself.

        Then simply look around you today. Muslims are killing non-Muslims and Muslims by the thousands and behaving true to the doctrines of Islam as illustrated in the Quran. This sort of depravity has been going on for the past 1400 years and has never abated and all in accordance withs the teachings of the Quran. Read the Quran and see what is happening around you in the world, and you will see that I am more correct than all that hollow rhetoric that you have posted.

        Islam is an exclusive, totalitarian, supremacist, fascist doctrine that will never alter or moderate to accommodate any other religions or beliefs. It is time you get real and realise that your Islamic doctrines are totalitarian. It is up to Muslims to change it, if they can, if not, there will never be peace.

      • KAICI

        mbplee
        sorry but you are wrong ..what is “allah”? god in arabic.did you read Quran? i don t think so because you will see that islam respect all religions i mean all monotheists religions and if you want to blame anyone just blame those who are prohibiting girls to study in schools and prohibiting women to drive cars ..saudia arabia ,pakistan …are they practicing real islam? what said archange gabriel in mohammed when he was in ghar hira ” ikra “that means “read” ,aknowledgement ,preach education to your people and disregard ignorance ..what we see in the arabic world except algeria (my country)tunisia ,marocco and north africa ,is the opposite of what is teaches in islam..don t blame islam mbplee please blame muslims from these countries .Quran respect jesus and the virgin mary , do you forget what did emir abdelkader in damascus when he fought muslims because they tried to commit a genocide against a christian minority and he was decorated all over the world !!! my daughter is called meriem it means mary and aissa means jesus in arabic and moussa means moise the jew ..we give names to our children in tribute to prophets in torah bible or Quran .change your vision you are blind and you are wrong and i have no time to give you exemples of greatness soul of islam among history..what they did for humanity in science ,civilization and research..fascists and totalitarians are in your spoiled mind ..it s time for humanity to change and let muslims living in peace ..you are fascists by bombing irak for a lie !!killing millions of muslims just for oil…shame on you …killing lybians palestinians and now syrians ….atheist or believer we don t care about anyone we just want to live in peace so change your vision of trying to spoil our religion …you are the destoyers and don t try to change subject evocating the barbars in syria and irak its not enough to wear barb and say “allah akbar “to be a muslim ..you have to be an human ..that is ISLAM my religion and i am proud to be muslim ….you insulted my religion but i am peaceful and i reply “salam alikoum
        peace !

      • rolf

        There is really a war towards the worlds oil resources. Those who invaded Iraq, did it from a business plan perspective, they could not care about any religion , the only god the obey is money. They help creating problems, then they assert a solution for the problem they created in the first place. *All this to manipulate minds, to play on religions. For a religious person , any conflict got a religious perspective, for a political minded person, any conflict becomes political. I am in finance , so I see the oil companies doing their filthy business, only extended with wars, and abusing in the name of the religions.

      • mbplee

        Kaiti, you are mostly out of context and ignoring Muhammad’s abrogations.You are out of context with the spiritual intention of the Quran which is EXCLUSION, AND SUPERIORITY.

        “The Quran Distinguishes Muslims from Non-Muslims
        and Establishes a Hierarchy of Relative Worth

        The Quran makes it clear that Islam is not about universal brotherhood, but about the brotherhood of believers:
        The Believers are but a single Brotherhood (49:10)
        Not all men are equal under Islam. Slaves and the handicapped are not equal to healthy free men, for example (16:75-76). The Quran introduces the “Law of Equality,” which establishes different levels of human value when considering certain matters, such as restitution for murder (2:178).

        Neither are Muslim believers equal to non-Muslims:
        Are those who know equal to those who know not? (39:09)

        Is the blind equal to the one who sees” Or darkness equal to light? (13:16)

        A believing slave is superior to an unbeliever (2:221)
        The Quran plainly tells Muslims that they are a favored race, while those of other religions are “perverted transgressors”:
        Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book [Christians and Jews] had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors. (3:110)
        As we shall see later, Allah condemns non-Muslims to Hell based merely on their unbelief, while believers are rewarded with the finest earthly comforts in the hereafter, including never-ending food, wine and sex (56:12-40).

        Much of the Quran is devoted to distinguishing Muslims from non-Muslims and impugning the latter. Among other things, non-Muslims are said to be diseased (2:10), perverse (2:99), stupid (2:171) and deceitful (3:73).

        The first sura of the Quran is a short prayer that is repeated by devout Muslims each day and ends with these words:
        Keep us on the right path. The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom Thy wrath is brought down, nor of those who go astray. (1:6-7)
        Muhammad was once asked if this pertained to Jews and Christians. His response was, “Whom else?” (Bukhari 56:662).Since Allah makes such a strong distinction between Muslims and those outside the faith, it is only natural that Muslims should incorporate disparate standards of treatment into their daily lives. The Quran tells Muslims to be compassionate with one another but ruthless to the infidel:
        Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are severe against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves… (48:29)
        The Arabic word used to describe the ideal treatment of non-Muslims (shin-dal-dal) is the same word used in over 25 places in the Quran to describe how painful Allah has made Hell for them.

        Islamic law actually forbids formal Muslim charity (in the form of the zakat payment) from being used to meet the needs of non-believers.

        Allah intends for Muslims to triumph over unbelievers:
        And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way to triumph over believers [Pickthall – “any way of success”] (4:141)
        The only acceptable position of non-Muslims to Muslims is subjugation under Islamic rule:
        Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. (9:29 Jizya is the money that non-Muslims must pay to their Muslim overlords in a pure Islamic state.)
        A common criticism of many Muslims is that they often behave arrogantly toward others. Now you know why.”

        Look around you, the world is in turmoil, killings, rape, genocide, millions of lives lost each day, and you claim that Islam preaches Peace and C|ompassion. It you are correct we should be living in peace, instead we are out to kill one another. What then is wrong with Islam because all the turmoil and unrest is coming out of Islam.

        Stop and Think on this and find an answer from within you.

      • KAICI

        exclusion and superiority ? you know “el fatiha “the first verset we read when we pray ..”el hamdoulillah rabi el alamine ” [All] praise is [due] to Allah , Lord of the worlds -lord of the worlds not of the muslims only ..lord of the christians and rhe jews and the universe
        One of the issues that we must bring to the fore is the fact that the Quran forbids us from judging others. This has been expressed clearly in many verses.

        Quran 88:25: For behold, unto Us will be their return,
        Quran 88:26: Then it will be for (only) Us to call them to account.

        By using the Arabic word “Inna” – which means “We” (i.e., God) – to begin 88:26 is a clear indication that it is ONLY God who can judge humans. To better comprehend why it is that humans are not capable (or allowed) to pass judgment against their fellow man, I offer the following analogy: Consider, for a moment, a long, stretching river – let’s call it “The River of Truth.” People are swimming at various points along this river. Now, let’s assume that absolute truth lay at the very end of the river, say, point 100. Based on this, we would assume that the person swimming alongside point 95 is closer to the Truth – and therefore better – than the person swimming alongside point 5.

        However, what if the fact was that the closer person had started out at 100, and had actually drifted away from the truth by 5, whereas the further person had actually started at 0 and was now 5 closer to the Truth? While it would be impossible for us to know this – it is not impossible for God, for He would certainly know this about both persons, He would know that the person on 5 was striving hard (that is, performing Jihad) for Truth’s sake. Based on this all too plausible scenario, it becomes obvious that in the eyes of God, the man on point 5 of the River of Truth is better than the person on point 95. It is for this very reason that the Quran has unequivocally stated that ONLY God can pass judgment on humans:

        22:17 Those who believe (in the Qur’an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians (can mean certain ancient religion or people with no specific religion), Christians, Magians, and Polytheists,- God will judge between them on the Day of Judgment: for God (alone) is witness of all things.

        As finite humans we do not possess the foreknowledge of God and thus we are in no position to pass judgment over others.
        Of course, we are capable of distinguishing between good and bad deeds – however, without the omniscience of God, we cannot judge this person or that as being either good or bad (as demonstrated earlier). If anyone had seen Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham) (PBUH) as he worshiped various planets and stars, as well as the moon and sun, before he at last came to worship the true God (as recorded in the Quran as well ancient Jewish scriptures), they would have considered him a “mushrik”—that is, an idolater or simply, an infidel. In fact, God Himself was pleased with Ibrahim since he was at least making a sincere effort to find the true God.

        Quran 6:75 And thus We gave Abraham [his first] insight into [God’s] mighty dominion over the heavens and the earth – and [this] to the end that he might become one of those who are inwardly sure.

        Quran 6:76 Then, when the night overshadowed him with its darkness, he beheld a star, [and] he exclaimed, “This is my Sustainer!” -but when it went down, he said, “I love not the things that go down.”

        Quran 6:77 Then, when he beheld the moon rising, he said, “This is my Sustainer!”-but when it went down, he said, “Indeed, if my Sustainer guide me not. I will most certainly become one of the people who go astray!”

        Quran 6:78 Then, when he beheld the sun rising, he said, “This is my Sustainer! This one is the greatest [of all]!” – but when it [too] went down, he exclaimed: “O my people! Behold, far be it from me to ascribe divinity, as you do, to aught beside God!

        Quran 6:79 Behold, unto Him who brought into being the heavens and the earth have I turned my face, having turned away from all that is false; and I am not of those who ascribe divinity to aught beside Him.”

        The search for Truth – the desire to find the Divine – is in and of itself a great deed, even if the individual seeker never ascertains absolute Truth. The act itself possesses great intrinsic value and is demonstrative of a willing heart.

        As God plainly reveals in his Holy Quran:
        Quran: 29:69 And those who strive in Our paths to find us (God)),- We will certainly guide them to our Paths: For verily God is with those who do right.

        From here, we should learn once and for all to never be judgmental against others but to leave judgment to God alone.
        Saiidna Issa (Jesus) PBUH is recorded in the scriptures as saying, “Judge not lest ye be judged…and by the same measure you judge others by, so too will you be judged.”
        Imagine how you would feel if you judged someone for their apparently bad deeds when, all the while, that person was suffering from a mental illness that influenced their negative actions? If this happened, it would be you who had sinned – who had truly committed a bad deed – for you passed judgment without knowing all the facts. It is for this very reason that God said to Prophet Mohamed in his Holy Quran :

        Quran 46:9 Say: “I am no bringer of new-fangled doctrine among the apostles, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. God is the ONLY one who can judge humans.

        and what you are talking about in irak ,syria and so on ….i told you but you don t understand or you don t want to understand that wearing a beard and saying “allah akbar” is not enough to be a muslim you have tp be humain and respect humans ..so these barbars called isis are not muslims but terrorists and criminals like those conquistadires who destroy civilizations in mexico and peru in the name of the christ and remember the times of inquisition in europa ‘1231 until 1834) and the KKK in united states .are those criminals represented chrisitanism ?? yes or no? stop blaming islam please …blame humans who convince blinded people like you that they are killing in the name of islam ..we condemn these barbars they represent themselves ..we fought them in Algeria during 90 and they killed 200.000people so muslims were the first victims of the madness of human being …I am muslim do you think i am arrogant toward you? superior? i am just a human like tou ..respecting you because i am muslim and we believe in peace love and tolerance ….the real islam ..not what you see arounf you in some countries ….thank you

  25. mbplee

    “KAICI
    April 28, 2016
    exclusion and superiority ? you know “el fatiha “the first verset we read when we pray ..”el hamdoulillah rabi el alamine ” [All] praise is [due] to Allah , Lord of the worlds -lord of the worlds not of the muslims only ..lord of the christians and rhe jews and the universe
    One of the issues that we must bring to the fore is the fact that the Quran forbids us from judging others. This has been expressed clearly in many verses.”

    Kaici, I quote the above from you to show you how little understanding of Islam you have. You have been blinded with a lot of verses and words out of context. The Quran has already passed judgement on others:

    ” La ilaha illa Allah wa-Muhammad rasul Allah.

    There is no god but God (ALLAH) and Muhammad is the prophet of Allah. Sincere recitation of this confession of faith before of two Muslims is the sole requirement for those who wish to join the Muslim community. It represents acceptance not only of Allah and his prophet, but of the entirety of Islam. ”

    The Quran accepts Allah as ilah and no others thus judging Islam as the only religion acceptable and which must therefore be superior to all others. Actually there is no need for me to say any more, but:

    Allah will make disbelievers’ lives miserable in this world and torture them forever after they die. 2:114
    Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don’t kill them.) 2:191-2
    Allah says that you must keep fighting until there is no more persecution and everyone on earth is a Muslim. Then you can stop killing people. 2:193a

    That is sufficient to convince me that Allah means business. He excludes all non-Muslims and instructs Muslims to KILL them.

    Kaici, you also said,
    “stop blaming islam please …blame humans who convince blinded people like you that they are killing in the name of islam ..we condemn these barbars they represent themselves ..we fought them in Algeria during 90 and they killed 200.000people so muslims were the first victims of the madness of human being …I am muslim do you think i am arrogant toward you? superior? i am just a human like tou ..respecting you because i am muslim and we believe in peace love and tolerance ….the real islam ..not what you see arounf you in some countries …”

    All Qaeda, the Taliban, ISIL, have all acted and behaved in accordance with the teachings of the Quran, without exception. I could not fault them for violating any of the Quranic teachings. These people have followed the teachings of Islam to the letter T. They are the shaheeds of Islam and they are the Jihadists of Islam in accordance with the teachings of the Quran.

    Kaici, Yes, I believe you are arrogant towards me and all non-Muslims because you believe that you are right and I am wrong. Superior? Yes, because because you worship Allah and I do not. You do not believe in Peace, Love and Tolerance because the Quran does not preach this for non-Muslims.

    You should study Islam, the Quran, and History of Islam, the History of Muhammad and Islamic jurisprudence to really understand Islam. I believe you have been taught a perverted form of Islam. Your Islam is all Taqiyya, to justify your warped concept of Islam.

    • KAICI

      sorry for you ..i know my religion better than you and i realize that we can t discuss in serenity because you hate islam and you have not a level to discuss with me about islam .i was trying to be fair with you and give you explanations and teach you my religion but all i see is a sick person ..seems to me i am with a teenager ..!!

      • mbplee

        Kaici said,”sorry for you ..i know my religion better than you and i realize that we can t discuss in serenity because you hate islam and you have not a level to discuss with me about islam.”

        To me that sounds like arrogance and conceit. You are so brainwashed with Islam that no one is able to discuss with you about Islam. I have spent the last 18 years of my adult researching Islam vis-a vis Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism and even Judaism. I have an open mind about all the religions as I have made a comparative study of all of them some in greater detail than others. There is very little I do not know about Islam or Christianity or Taoism or Zoroastrianism. That is why I have to keep an open mind to compare these religions on the same basis. The sick people are the bigots of religion, not those who study it with an open mind.

      • mbplee

        The Devout Muslim, Loyal But Misguided

        Having had a long detailed discussion about Islam with a person referred too as Kaici, https://mbplee.wordpress.com/wp-admin/edit-comments.php , I would like to make my observations of what I believe is a faithful and loyal Muslim, in the eyes of Muslims.

        The link above shows that Kaici is a fairly well educated Muslim about Islam and is able to make many references. His defence of Islamic doctrine and Islamic Benevolence, is admirable, as has been the defence of Islam by all the other contributors. I would not have expected any less of them. Their devotion to Islam and Islamic principles is truly admirable. Their faith in the righteousness and benevolence of Islam is as to be expected of a faithful followers Islam.

        Kaici said,
        “Quran 6:79 Behold, unto Him who brought into being the heavens and the earth have I turned my face, having turned away from all that is false; and I am not of those who ascribe divinity to aught beside Him.”

        The search for Truth – the desire to find the Divine – is in and of itself a great deed, even if the individual seeker never ascertains absolute Truth. The act itself possesses great intrinsic value and is demonstrative of a willing heart.

        As God plainly reveals in his Holy Quran:
        Quran: 29:69 And those who strive in Our paths to find us (God)),- We will certainly guide them to our Paths: For verily God is with those who do right.

        From here, we should learn once and for all to never be judgmental against others but to leave judgment to God alone.
        Saiidna Issa (Jesus) PBUH is recorded in the scriptures as saying, “Judge not lest ye be judged…and by the same measure you judge others by, so too will you be judged.”
        Imagine how you would feel if you judged someone for their apparently bad deeds when, all the while, that person was suffering from a mental illness that influenced their negative actions? If this happened, it would be you who had sinned – who had truly committed a bad deed – for you passed judgment without knowing all the facts. It is for this very reason that God said to Prophet Mohamed in his Holy Quran :

        Quran 46:9 Say: “I am no bringer of new-fangled doctrine among the apostles, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. God is the ONLY one who can judge humans.

        But then he (Kaici) makes this statement as Judge and Juror:

        sorry for you ..i know my religion better than you and i realize that we can t discuss in serenity because you hate islam and you have not a level to discuss with me about islam .i was trying to be fair with you and give you explanations and teach you my religion but all i see is a sick person ..seems to me i am with a teenager ..!!

        Yet, He has just played Allah’s role. Proving his “exclusivity, his superiority, his arrogance, and his inflexibility and bigotry.

        What is “A NEW-FANGLED DOCTRINE?” “God is the ONLY one who can judge.”

        So no one has the right to judge what I believe in any new fangled doctrines. In fact, no one on earth has ever proved the existence of Allah, or the God of Moses or Jesus Christ. All of the above are an act of faith, and a belief in legends based on ancient mythology. If you disagree, you have to prove me wrong.

        Kaici, you also said,
        “stop blaming islam please …blame humans who convince blinded people like you that they are killing in the name of islam ..we condemn these barbars they represent themselves ..we fought them in Algeria during 90 and they killed 200.000people so muslims were the first victims of the madness of human being …I am muslim do you think i am arrogant toward you? superior? i am just a human like tou ..respecting you because i am muslim and we believe in peace love and tolerance ….the real islam ..not what you see arounf you in some countries …”

        Reply: All Qaeda, the Taliban, ISIL, have all acted and behaved in accordance with the teachings of the Quran, without exception. I could not fault them for violating any of the Quranic teachings. These people have followed the teachings of Islam to the letter T. They are the shaheeds of Islam and they are the Jihadists of Islam in accordance with the teachings of the Quran.

        Kaici, You do not believe in Peace, Love and Tolerance because the Quran does not preach this for non-Muslims.

        You should study Islam, the Quran, and History of Islam, the History of Muhammad and Islamic jurisprudence to really understand Islam. I believe you have been taught a perverted form of Islam. Your Islam is all Taqiyya, to justify your warped concept of Islam. Your Islam are extracts of the Quran and all out of context of the tone of the Quran. The Quran advocates, DEATH TO INFIDELS.

        The Arabic word used to describe the ideal treatment of non-Muslims (shin-dal-dal) is the same word used in over 25 places in the Quran to describe how painful Allah has made Hell for them.

        Islamic law actually forbids formal Muslim charity (in the form of the zakat payment) from being used to meet the needs of non-believers.

        Allah intends for Muslims to triumph over unbelievers:
        And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way to triumph over believers [Pickthall – “any way of success”] (4:141)
        The only acceptable position of non-Muslims to Muslims is subjugation under Islamic rule:
        Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. (9:29 Jizya is the money that non-Muslims must pay to their Muslim overlords in a pure Islamic state.)
        A common criticism of many Muslims is that they often behave arrogantly toward others. Now you know why.”

        Look around you, the world is in turmoil, killings, rape, genocide, millions of lives lost each day, and you claim that Islam preaches Peace and C|ompassion. It you are correct we should be living in peace, instead we are out to kill one another. What then is wrong with Islam because all the turmoil and unrest is coming out of Islam.

        Stop and Think on this and find an answer from within you. I believe your intentions are that of a typical good Muslim but you have been misguided by Quotes from the Quran that have been taken out of context. The Quran is a Holy Book of Absolute Totalitarian Supremacy or all Non-Muslims.

  26. Shuf

    Tldr; has anyone considered going thru from 5:1 and not start at 5:32? Kinda interesting that in some dissection of the particular verse coincides with 5:13..

    • mbplee

      Shuf, why don’t you do an analysis and publish your conclusions?

  27. salimisslim@hotmail.com

    I don’t know why you try to distort the meaning of the verses 5:32 and 5:33?

    The interpretation of the verse is obvious and as follows : “It is because of this that We ordained for (all humankind, but particularly for) the Children of Israel: He who kills a soul unless it be (in legal punishment) for murder or for causing disorder and corruption on the earth will be as if he had killed all humankind; and he who saves a life will be as if he had saved the lives of all humankind. Assuredly, there came to them Our Messengers (one after the other) with clear proofs of the truth (so that they might be revived both individually and as a people). Then (in spite of all this), many of them go on committing excesses on the earth.”

    Thus, what was “ordained for the chidren of Israel”, applies to all humankind, Jews and None-Jews, because God’s decrees are absolute and universal and are not restricted by time or space.

    Concerning the following verse (5:33), which is frequently cited by Islam-haters as being ripped out of context, while these same haters ironically misinterpret other verses (e.g. 2:191) and take them blatantly out of context. These Islam-haters interpret it misleadingly as “inciting Muslims to kill and wage war against non-Muslims”, which is absolutely not true.

    This Verse, like the one cited above, applies to all humankind; for waging war against Allah and His messenger means waging war against the good morals, the universal norms, values and ethics. Waging war against Allah or God (who stand for the universal moral norms, values and ethics: i.e. abhorring murder, killing, spreading mischief and disorder) is actually an evil war against all what is universally considered to be good and righteous (Charity, brotherhood, honesty, love, making and promoting peace among people, doing justice, co-opearation, defend Evil with Good, heart sincerity, good conduct, keeping promise, etc). The word ‘war’ here means making or spreading evil, terror, corruption and distruction, sheding blood, creating disaster, causing havoc and ravage on earth. In modern terminology this would be considered “terrorism”.

    The punishment for this severe offence or crimes of violence against innocent people is, therefore, not limited to none-muslims (as some misleadingly try to make us believe), but it involves serious crimes comitted by everyone, including the (so-called) Muslims (e.g. ISIS).

    • mbplee

      salimisslim, no one is attempting top distort the meaning of the verses 5:32 and 5:33 but I am giving the verses its true meaning by placing it back in context of the total Koran. It is a shame that so many Muslims have been misguided in the interpretation of the verses in order to glorify the interpretation of its meanings. Such ignorance is biased and inexcusable but it is obvious that most Muslims posting here have a similar misconception. Let me illustrate:

      Quran 5:32 Mohsin Khan: Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land [i.e., those who speak against Islam will be regarded as “spreading mischief in the land” i.e., infidels, blasphemers, Islamophobes] – it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allah by committing the major sins) in the land!.

      [****Clearly the person referred to is not a Muslim but non- Muslims were not the intention of exemption since they are against the word of Allah and so are mischief makers. THIS IS THE CRUX OF THE INTERPRETATION. Quotations below will show that your interpretation of out of the context of the Quran because 537 other Quranic verses contradicts your claims and condemns all non-Muslims.]

      Quran 5:33 Mohsin Khan: The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed [This verifies that those who do mischief in the land can be killed are infidels, Jew, Christians and non-Muslims] or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on the opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter.

      [Clearly it is apparent that Jews, Christians and non-Muslims are therefore not part of mankind. That clearly infers that Mankind only includes the people of Islam.So killing of infidels is legitimate by Muslims.]

      The reason I say that your interpretations of 5:32 are out of context of the rest of the Quran is because of the total “intolerance of Islam for all non-Muslims.”

      At the risk of boring all of you, I feel that it is important for me to portray the ambience of the Quran to show that it has little or no tolerance for non-Muslims. You will find 537 Quranic verses of Intolerance of all non0-Muslims as follows:

      Intolerance in the Quran
      They who deny Our revelations and scorn them, for them the gates of heaven will nor be opened. … Theirs will be a bed of hell–7:40-41

      The Quran, virtually on every page, is a manifesto for religious intolerance. — Sam Harris

      “Show us the straight path, The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray.”
      Muslims generally interpret “those whom Allah has favored,” “those who earn Allah’s anger,” and “those who go astray” as Muslims, Jews, and Christians, respectively. 1:6-7
      Don’t bother warning the disbelievers. Allah has made it impossible for them to believe so that he can torture them forever after they die. 2:6-7
      Allah has sickened the hearts of disbelievers and increased their disease. He is a spiritual anti-doctor. 2:10
      Allah has blinded the disbelievers. “Allah taketh away their light and leaveth them in darkness, where they cannot see, Deaf, dumb and blind.” 2:17-18
      If you try to compose a surah that is better than those in the Quran, and then fail, Allah will burn you forever if you in the fire that he has prepared for disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 2:24 < They who disbelieve, and deny Our revelations, such are rightful Peoples of the Fire. They will abide therein." 2:39
      Allah stamped wretchedness upon the Jews because they killed the prophets and disbelieved Allah's revelations. 2:61
      Allah turned Sabbath-breaking Jews into apes to be despised and hated. All modern Jews are descendants of apes (or all modern apes are descendants of Sabbath-breaking Jews). 2:65-66
      Christians and Jews (who believe in only part of the Scripture), will suffer in this life and go to hell in the next. 2:85
      "Allah has cursed them for their unbelief."
      Because I disbelieve in his bullshit, Allah has cursed me, along with nearly six billion other non-Muslims. 2:88
      The curse of Allah is on disbelievers. 2:89
      "They have incurred anger upon anger. For disbelievers is a shameful doom." 90
      Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They'd like to live 1000 years. But even that "would by no means remove the doom." 2:96
      ***Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers. 2:98
      Allah has revealed "clear tokens." Only evil people are disbelievers. 2:99
      "For disbelievers is a painful doom." 2:104
      Don't question anything Muhammed says or choose disbelief over faith. 2:108
      The Jews and Christians know damn well that the Muslims are right, so they try to make Muslims disbelievers because they envy the truth that they know the Muslims have. 2:109
      "But those who keep their duty to Allah will be above them [non-muslims] on the Day of Resurrection." 2:212
      ***Allah will make disbelievers' lives miserable in this world and torture them forever after they die. 2:114
      "And thou wilt not be asked about the owners of hell-fire." (They are the non-muslims.) 2:119
      Disbelievers are losers. 2:121
      Allah will leave the disbelievers alone for a while, but then he will compel them to the doom of Fire. 2:126
      "Who forsaketh the religion of Abraham save him who befooleth himself?"
      Cited in the Hamas Charter (Article 27) to condemn the idea of a secular state. 2:130
      Allah will curse those who "hide the proofs and the guidance" that he revealed. But how can you hide things that don't exist? There are no proofs anywhere in the Quran and whatever guidance is there is almost always bad. 2:159
      ***Those who disbelieve in the Quran, for whatever reason, are cursed by Allah, the angels, and men combined. So every good Muslim must join Allah and the angels in cursing nonbelievers. 2:161
      The doom of the disbelievers will not be lightened. 2:162
      "Those who disbelieve [are] Deaf, dumb, blind, therefore they have no sense." 2:171
      Those who hide the Scripture will have their bellies eaten with fire. Theirs will be a painful doom. 2:174
      How constant are they in their strife to reach the Fire! 2:175
      If someone murders your slave, then you get to kill one of his. If it was a male that was killed, you kill one of the killer's male slaves. If a female, you kill a female. Murder for murder. Slave for slave. It all works out swell with Allah's wondrous rules. (Oh, and if you don't follow them, you'll have the usual painful doom.) 2:178
      *****Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2
      *****Allah says that you must keep fighting until there is no more persecution and everyone on earth is a Muslim. Then you can stop killing people. 2:193a
      *****But if there are any wrong-doers around after you've killed off all the disbelievers, persecutors and aggressors, then you'll have to kill them too. 2:193b
      Those who fail in their duty to Allah are proud and sinful. They will all go to hell. 2:206
      "But those who keep their duty to Allah will be above them [non-muslims] on the Day of Resurrection." 2:212
      *****War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216
      *****It's you and your religion against them and theirs. They won't stop fighting until they make you a "renegade from your religion" and if they succeed in that so you die in disbelief, Allah will burn you forever in the Fire. 2:217
      Intermarriage is forbidden. 2:221
      *****"The disbelievers, they are the wrong-doers." 2:254
      Disbelievers worship false gods. The will burn forever in the Fire. 2:257
      Allah does not guide disbelievers. 2:264
      "Give us victory over the disbelieving folk." 2:286
      Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. 3:4
      *****Those who disbelieve will be fuel for the Fire. 3:10
      Those who disbelieve shall be overcome and gathered unto Hell. 3:12
      Non-muslims will be punished by Allah for their nonbelief. 3:19
      "If they surrender, then truly they are rightly guided, and if they turn away, then it is thy duty only to convey the message."
      (The message for those who won't surrender is "you're going to hell.") 3:20
      Those who disbelieve, promise them a painful doom. 3:21
      "They [Christians and Jews] say: The Fire will not touch us save for a certain number of days. That which they used to invent hath deceived them regarding their religion." (The Fire will burn them forever.) 3:24
      Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. 3:28
      Allah loveth not the disbelievers. 3:32
      Allah will punish disbelievers in this world and the next. They will have no helpers. 3:56
      Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim. 3:73
      "Allah will neither speak to them nor look upon them on the Day of Resurrection, nor will He make them grow. Theirs will be a painful doom." 3:77
      All non-Muslims will be rejected by Allah after they die. 3:85
      *****Apostates will be cursed by Allah, angels, and men. They will have a painful doom. 3:86-88
      Disbelievers will have a painful doom. And they will have no helpers. 3:91
      Disbelievers will have their faces blackened on the last day. They will face an awful doom. 3:105-6
      Why does Allah like Muslims so much? Because they are the best people on earth, they behave themselves, forbid indecency, and believe in Allah. Allah loves people who believe in him. (Most Non-muslims are "evil-livers.") 3:110
      Those who disbelieve will be burnt in the Fire. 3:116
      Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you. 3:118
      The Fire is prepared for disbelievers. 3:131
      Give us victory over the disbelieving folk. 3:147
      Do not obey disbelievers. 3:149
      *****We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire 3:151
      "Is one who followeth the pleasure of Allah as one who hath earned condemnation from Allah, whose habitation is the Fire?"
      *****Unbelievers will burn forever in the Fire. 3:162
      Theirs will be an awful doom. 3:176
      Disbelievers do not harm Allah, but will have a painful doom. 3:177
      Disbelievers will have a shameful doom. 3:178
      *****Disbelievers will go to Hell. 3:196
      *****Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will be burnt with fire and suffer a painful doom. 4:14
      For the disbelievers and those who make a last-minute conversion, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 4:18
      For disbelievers, We prepare a shameful doom. 4:37
      Those who …believe not in Allah nor the Last Day" will face a shameful doom. 4:38
      "Allah knoweth best (who are) your enemies." 4:45
      "Allah has cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not." 4:46
      *****Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes, as he did the Sabbath-breakers. (See 2:65-66) 4:47
      Those who ascribe a partner to Allah (like Christians do with Jesus and the Holy Spirit) will not be forgiven. They have "invented a tremendous sin." 4:48, 4:116
      Allah curses those that invent lies about him, believe in idols and false deities, claim to be more rightly guided, or whatnot (like the Christians and Jews). 4:50-52
      Apostates are going to hell. 4:55
      Unbelievers will be tormented forever with fire. When their skin is burned off, a fresh skin will be provided. 4:56
      Oppose those that refuse to obey. 4:60-63
      The hypocrites refuse to die for Allah and Muhammad. 4:66
      Those who obey Allah and Muhammad are favored by Allah. They are the best company. 4:69
      Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars. 4:74
      Believers fight for Allah; disbelievers fight for the devil. So fight the minions of the devil. 4:76
      "Whoso obeyeth the messenger hath obeyed Allah, and whoso turneth away: We have not sent thee as a warder over them." 4:80
      "So fight (O Muhammad) in the way of Allah … Allah will restrain the might of those who disbelieve."
      *****So fight for Allah. Allah will always rig the battle so that Muslims will defeat non-Muslims. 4:84
      Allah casts the hypocrites back to disbelief. Don't try to guide those that Allah sends astray. 4:88
      *****Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89
      *****If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. *****Against such you are given clear warrant. 4:91
      Believers shouldn't kill believers, unless by mistake. If you kill a believer by mistake, you must set free a believing slave. 4:92
      *****Believers who kill believers will go to hell. 4:93
      After non-Muslims die, they will make excuses for their unbelief — like saying that they were oppressed. Then the angels will ask them, "Why didn't you move to another country?" But the angels won't wait for an answer. They'll just take them all to hell. 4:97
      The disbelievers are an open enemy to you. 4:101
      For the disbelievers, Allah has prepared a shameful punishment. 4:102
      Relent not in pursuit of the enemy. They have no hope from Allah. 4:104
      "Plead not on behalf of (people) who deceive themselves. Lo! Allah loveth not one who is treacherous and sinful." 4:107
      Those who oppose the messenger and become unbelievers will go to hell. 4:115
      They (those who ascribe partners to Allah) invoke in his stead only females and pray to Satan. 4:117
      Allah will lead them astray, arouse desires in them, and they will go to hell. 4:119-121
      Those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe and disbelieve again will never be forgiven by Allah. 4:137
      For the hypocrites there will be a painful doom. 4:138
      Stay away from nonbelievers who mock your beliefs or Allah will treat you like them. (He'll torture you forever in hell after you die.) 4:140a
      Allah will gather hypocrites and disbelievers into hell. 4:140b
      Allah will not allow disbelievers to succeed against believers. 4:141
      *****Do not choose disbelievers as friends. 4:144
      The hypocrites will be in the lowest part of hell and no one will help them there. 4:145
      You must believe everything Allah and his messengers tell you. Those who don't are disbelievers and will face a painful doom. 4:150-151
      For the wrongdoing Jews, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 4:160-1
      Allah will guide disbelievers down the road to hell. 4:167-169
      Those who deny Islam will be losers in the Hereafter. 5:5
      Disbelievers are the rightful owners of Hell. 5:10
      *****Allah has cursed the Jews and hardened their hearts. Nearly all of them are treacherous. 5:12-13
      Allah has stirred up enmity and hatred among Christians. 5:14
      Christians are disbelievers for believing in the divinity of Christ. 5:17
      *****Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. 5:33
      Disbelievers will have a painful doom. 5:36
      Disbelievers will want to come out of the Fire, but will not. Their will be a lasting doom. 5:37
      Cut off the hands of thieves. It is an exemplary punishment from Allah. 5:38
      Allah makes some people sin. He will not cleanse their hearts. They will have ignominy in this world, and in the Hereafter an awful doom. 5:41
      Non-muslims are wrong doers. 5:45
      *****Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them. 5:51
      Jews and Christians are losers. 5:53
      Allah could replace nonbelievers with believers who would love him and do whatever he says. 5:54
      Your only friends should be Allah, Muhammad, and those who believe correctly (Muslims). 5:55
      Don't choose Jews, Christians, or disbelievers as guardians. 5:57
      *****Jews and Christians are evil-livers. 5:59
      Evil is the handiwork of the rabbis and priests. 5:63
      Allah has cast enmity and hatred among the Jews. 5:64
      Allah does not guide disbelievers. 5:67
      The Jews rejected and killed Allah's prophets, since "they were wilfully blind and deaf." 5:70-71
      *****Christians will be burned in the Fire. 5:72
      Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom. 5:73
      Muslims that make friends with disbelievers will face a doom prepared for them by Allah. 5:80
      *****"Thou wilt find the most vehement of mankind in hostility to those who believe to be the Jews." 5:82
      Disbelievers will be owners of hell-fire. 5:86
      Allah will test believers to see if they are afraid. Those who fail a second test will suffer a a painful doom. 5:94
      After agreeing to send down a table of food from heaven, Jesus warns his disciples that will catch holy hell if they ever stop believing. 5:115
      Those who deny the truth of Islam will be punished by Allah. 6:5
      "See the nature of the consequence for the rejecters!" 6:11
      "Those who ruin their souls will not believe." 6:12, 20
      Disbelievers will say when they see the Fire that they would have believed if they had known the truth. But they are all liars. 6:27-28
      Allah will torment those how deny his revelations. 6:49
      Stay away from those who "meddle with" or mock the Quran. 6:68
      Those who disbelieve will be forced to drink boiling water, and will face a painful doom. 6:70
      When nonbelievers die, the angels will deliver to them doom and degradation. 6:93
      Stay away from idolaters. 6:106
      Allah confounds the hearts and eyes of unbelievers. 6:110
      Most unbelievers are ignorant. 6:111
      Allah allows some to disbelieve in the afterlife, and to take pleasure in their disbelief, so that he can torment them forever after they die. 6:113
      The worst thing anyone can do is deny the revelations of Allah. Those who do so will be awared an evil doom. 6:157
      *****Disbelievers lose their souls. 7:9
      Allah has made devils the protecting friends of disbeliveers. 7:27
      Disbelievers choose devils as protecting friends and believe they are rightly guided. 7:30
      Only believers go to heaven. 7:32
      Allah forbids beliefs that he hasn't revealed (i.e., all non-muslim beliefs). 7:33
      Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire. 7:36
      Disbelief is the greatest evil. 7:37
      Disbelievers will be excluded from heaven. Theirs will be a bed of hell. 7:40-41
      Those in the fire will be taunted by those in the Garden. "So how's it going down there? Are you enjoying the warmth of the Fire?" 7:44
      Those in the Fire will cry out to those in heaven, saying: "Pour water on us." But Allah has forbidden that to disbelievers. 7:50
      Those who forget Allah will be forgotten (sent to hell) on Judgement Day. 7:51
      Serve Allah or go to hell. 7:59
      Allah drowned everyone on earth (except Noah and his family) because they disbelieved. 7:64
      Disbelievers are liars. 7:66
      Those who believe incorrectly will face the terror and wrath of Allah. 7:71
      "We cut the root of those who denied Our revelations and were not believers." 7:72
      Allah killed the disbelievers with an earthquake. 7:78
      Allah killed everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah except Lot and his daughters.
      7:83-84
      "So the earthquake seized them."
      Allah killed the disbelievers with an earthquake. 7:90-91
      "Then We seized them unawares, when they perceived not."
      Unbelievers are never safe from Allah's wrath. 7:95-99
      "How can I sorrow for a people that rejected (truth)?"
      Shu'eyb tells the Allah's victims that they deserved to die for rejecting Islam. 7:93
      "We drowned them in the sea: because they denied Our revelations." 7:136
      Allah will destroy non-muslim cultures. 7:138-9
      "Those who deny Our revelations and the meeting of the Hereafter, their works are fruitless." 7:147
      Those who worship the calf will suffer terror and humiliation from Allah. 7:152
      "Those who believe in him, and honour him, and help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him: they are the successful." 7:157
      "But those of them who … changed the word … We sent down upon them wrath from heaven." 7:162
      "When they forgot that whereof they had been reminded, We … visited [them] with dreadful punishment." 7:165
      Allah turns Jews into apes! 7:166
      Allah will punish the disbelieving Jews until the Day of Resurrection. 7:167
      Those who deny Muhammad's revelations are like dogs. 7:176
      Those who deny Muhammad's revelation are evil. 7:177
      Stay away from those who blaspheme Allah's names. They will be punished for it. 7:180
      Allah leads astray those who deny his revelations. 7:182-3
      "Allah … cut the root of the disbelievers."
      *****Allah destroyed the unbelievers. 8:7
      Allah will throw fear into the hearts of the disbelievers, and smite their necks and fingers. 8:12
      Disbelievers will be tormented in the Fire. 8:14
      When you fight with disbelievers, do not retreat. Those who do will go to hell. 8:15-16
      Those that the Muslims killed were not really killed by them. It was Allah who did the killing. 8:17
      "The worst of beasts in Allah's sight are the deaf, the dumb, who have no sense [the non-muslims]." 8:22
      Taste of the doom because ye disbelieve. 8:35
      Those who disbelieve will be gathered into hell. 8:36
      *****Fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. 8:39
      The angels smite the face and backs of disbelievers, saying: "Taste the punishment of burning!" 8:50
      The worst beasts in Allah's sight are the disbelievers. 8:55
      Don't let the disbelievers think they can escape. They are your enemy and the enemy of Allah. 8:59-60
      Exhort the believers to fight. They will win easily, because disbelievers are without intelligence. 8:65
      A prophet may not take captives until he has made a slaughter in the land. 8:67
      Disbelievers cause confusion and "corruption in the land." 8:73
      "Ye cannot escape Allah. Allah will confound the disbelievers." 9:2
      Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve. 9:3
      *****Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. 9:5
      Those who submit and convert to Islam will be treated well. (Those who don't submit will be killed. See previous verse.) 9:6
      Don't make treaties with non-Muslims. They are all evildoers and should not be trusted. 9:7-9
      *****Treat converts to Islam well. (Kill those who refuse to convert. See 9:5) 9:11
      Fight the disbelievers! Allah is on your side; he will give you victory. 9:12-14
      Don't let idolaters tend the sanctuaries. Their works are in vain and they will be burned in the Fire. 9:17
      Don't be friends with with your disbelieving family members. Those who do so are wrong-doers. 9:23
      Allah punished those who disbelieved. 9:26
      Only idolaters are unclean. Keep them away from your places of worship. 9:28
      Fight against Christians and Jews "until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low." 9:29
      *****Christians and Jews are perverse. Allah himself fights against them. 9:30
      The "Religion of Truth" (Islam) must prevail, by force if necessary, over all other religions. 9:33
      Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to the rich and greedy Christian monks and Jewish rabbis. 9:34
      Allah does not guide the disbelievers. 9:37
      Fight for Allah with your wealth and whatever weapons are available to you. 9:41
      Those who refuse to fight for Allah (claiming they are unable) are liars who have destroyed their souls. 9:42
      Disbelievers go to hell. 9:49
      "Allah will afflict you with a doom from Him or at our hands." 9:52
      Pay your contribution willingly. Allah will not accept a contribution from disbelievers or idlers. 9:53
      Those who vex the Prophet, for them there is a painful doom. 9:60
      Allah is only pleased by true believers. 9:62
      *****Those who oppose Allah and His messenger will burn in the fire of hell. 9:63
      Allah promises hypocrites and disbelievers the fire of hell. Allah curses them. They will have a lasting torment. 9:68
      Fight the disbelievers and hypocrites. Be harsh with them. They are all going to hell anyway. 9:73
      Allah will afflict disbelievers with a painful doom in this world and the Hereafter. 9:74
      God will not forgive disbelievers, so don't ask. 9:80
      Those who refuse to give their wealth and lives to Allah will face the fire of hell. 9:81-83
      Don't pray for dead disbelievers or attend their funerals. 9:84
      Those who refuse to fight for Allah will be treated (along with their children) as unbelievers. 9:85
      For disbelievers there will be a painful doom. 9:90
      Non-muslim who pretend to believe (so they won't be killed by Muslims) are unclean and will go to hell. 9:95
      The unbelieving Arabs will be punished by Allah with an evil fortune. 9:97-98
      "We shall chastise them twice; then they will be relegated to a painful doom." 9:101
      Stay away from non-Muslims. They are all liars. 9:107
      Those that ignore Allah will be thown into the fire of hell. 9:109
      Believers must fight for Allah. They must kill and be killed , and are bound to do so by the Torah, Gospel, and Quran. But Allah will reward them for it. 9:111
      Don't pray for idolaters (not even for your family) after it is clear they are people of hell-fire. 9:113
      Abraham disowned his father for being an enemy of Allah. 9:114
      Fight disbelievers who are near you, and let them see the harshness in you. 9:123
      Disbelievers are wicked and have diseased hearts. 9:125
      Allah turns away those who misunderstand him. 9:127
      Disbelievers will have a boiling drink and a painful doom. 10:4
      If you enjoy life and ignore Muhammad's bullshit, Allah will torture you forever in the Fire after you die. 10:7-8
      Allah has destoyed entire generations. 10:13
      *****Denying the revelations of Allah is the worst sin imaginable. 10:17
      "Ignominy overtaketh them – They have no protector from Allah – as if their faces had been covered with a cloak of darkest night. Such are rightful owners of the Fire." 10:27
      On the last day Allah will kill all the disbelievers (and then he will torture them forever in hell). 10:45
      Those who disbelieved will face a dreadful doom. 10:70
      Allah drowned those who disbelieved his revelations. 10:73
      Moses asked Allah to harden the hearts of the Egyptians so that they would not believe until they saw the painful doom. 10:88
      If you deny the revelations of Allah, you will be among the losers and will "see the painful doom." 10:95-97
      Disbelievers will end up in the Fire. 11:17
      Those who oppose Islam and disbelieve in the Hereafter are guilty of the greatest wrong. 11:18-19
      Allah sent a lasting doom on those who mocked Noah. 11:39
      Those who drowned in the flood were disbelievers. 11:42
      Allah will send a painful doom on several nations. 11:48
      Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire 13:5
      Allah does not hear the prayer of disbelievers. 13:14
      Those who do not answer Allah's call will go to hell. 13:18
      Allah leads disbelievers astry while he torments them in this life. Then afterh they die, he makes them uffer even more pain in the doom of the Hereafter. 13:33-34
      The reward for disbelievers is the Fire. 13:35
      Woe unto the disbelievers. Theirs will be an awful doom. 14:2
      "Lo! for wrong-doers is a painful doom." 14:22
      "They set up rivals to Allah that they may mislead (men) from His way. Say: Enjoy life (while ye may) for lo! your journey's end will be the Fire." 14:30
      Let the disbelievers enjoy life and let false hope beguile them. They will come to know! 15:2-3
      *****"The disbelievers would not be tolerated." 15:8
      Iblis will lead humans astray. Only perfect Muslims will be safe from him. The rest will go to hell. 15:39-43
      Those who don't believe in the Hereafter are proud. 16:22
      Allah made a roof fall in to kill unbelievers. "And the doom came on them whence they knew not." 16:26
      Disbelievers are evil and will dwell in hell forever. 16:27-29
      Disbelievers are liars. 16:39
      Theirs will be the Fire, and they will be abandoned." 16:62
      "Theirs will be a painful doom." 16:63
      Allah will add doom to doom for those who disbelieve. 16:88
      Those who oppose Islam will face an awful doom. 16:94
      Those who loose their faith in Islam will face an awful doom. Allah's wrath is upon them. 16:106
      Those who invent lies against Allah will have a painful doom. 16:116-7
      Allah made hell to be a dungeon for disbelievers. 17:8
      Allah has prepared a painful doom for those who disbelieve in the Hereafter. 17:10
      Allah destroyed entire towns. 17:16
      How many generations Allah has destroyed since Noah! 17:17
      Allah intends to burn people in hell. 17:18
      "Set not up with Allah any other god, lest thou be cast into hell." 17:39
      Allah makes it so that unbelievers cannot understand. 17:45-46
      Allah will send disbelievers astray. Then he'll burn them in hell, increasing the flames from time to time. 17:97-98
      "He maketh none to share in His government."
      Democracy is heresy. Allah shares his government with no one. 18:26
      Allah has prepared a Fire for the disbelievers. When they want a shower, Allah will give them a shower of molten lead to burn their faces. 18:29
      Christians will cry out to Allah's "partners", but they won't hear them; Allah will send them to their doom. 18:52
      The worst wrong is to forget Allah's revelations. Allah covers their hearts and makes them deaf so that they will never believe the truth. 18:57
      On a certain day, Allah will present hell, in plain view, to the disbelievers. 18:100
      Allah will welcome the disbelievers into hell. 18:102
      The good works of disbelievers are all in vain. They will go to hell anyway. 18:104-105
      Hell is the reward for disbelievers because they made a jest of Allah's revelations and messengers. 18:106
      "Woe unto the disbelievers from the meeting of an awful Day."
      Jesus was not the Son of God. Those who say he was (Christians) are going to hell. 19:35-37
      Allah will pluck out from every sect those who should burn in hell. 19:69-70
      Allah will prolong the lives of non-believers so they can see their punishment, either in this world or in the Hour of doom. 19:75
      Allah will record what disbelievers say and then prolong their torment. 19:77-79
      Allah has sent the devils on the disbelievers to confuse them. 19:83
      Allah will "drive the guilty unto hell, a weary herd." 19:86
      Lo! it hath been revealed unto us that the doom will be for him who denieth and turneth away." 20:48
      Those who do not believe Allah's revelations will face doom in the Hereafter. 20:127
      Allah destroyed entire towns, yet the people still disbelieved. 21:6
      "And one of them who should say: Lo! I am a god beside Him, that one We should repay with hell." 21:29
      Disbelievers will not be able to put out the fire on their faces and backs. They will be stupefied and no one will help them. 21:39-40
      The disbelievers will stare in terror at what Allah has in store for them. 21:97-99
      "He who disputeth concerning Allah without knowledge or guidance or a scripture giving light, Turning away in pride to beguile (men) from the way of Allah. For him in this world is ignominy, and on the Day of Resurrection We make him taste the doom of burning."
      Those who turn from the way of Allah will face ignominy in this world and the doom of burning in the next. 22:8-9
      Whoever thinks that Allah will not give Muhammad victory should go hang himself. 22:15
      Disbelievers will wear garments of fire, boiling fluid will be poured on their heads, their bellies and skin will be melted, they will be tormented with iron hooks, and when they try to escape they will be driven back with the taunt: Taste the doom of burning. 22:19-22
      Allah will provide the disbelievers with a painful doom. 22:25
      Those who disregard Allah's revelations are the owners of the Fire. 22:51
      "Those who disbelieve will not cease to be in doubt thereof until the Hour come upon them unawares, or there come unto them the doom of a disastrous day." 22:55
      Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will have a shameful doom. 22:57
      Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will burn in the Fire. 22:72
      Those who don't believe in the Hereafter will receive extreme punishment from Allah. 23:74-77
      Disbelievers will not be successful. 23:117
      Those who traduce virtuous, believing women … cursed are they in the world and the Hereafter. Theirs will be an awful doom." 24:23
      Disbelievers are miscreants. 24:55
      Disbelievers will never escape the Fire that will be their home. 24:57
      The only true believers are those who believe in Allah and his messenger. 24:62
      Those who deny the coming of the Hour will be chained together and burned with fire. They will pray for their own destruction. 25:11-13
      It will be a hard day for disbelievers and wrong-doers. They will gnaw on their hands and wish they had chosen Islam. 25:26-27
      Those who deny Muhammad's revelations will be destroyed. 25:36
      Allah drowned everyone in the flood of Noah, and has prepared a painful doom for evil-doers. 25:37
      "They [the non-muslims] will know, when they behold the doom, who is more astray as to the road." 25:42
      Don't obey disbelievers. But rather fight against them. 25:52
      "The disbeliever was ever a partisan against his Lord." 25:55
      Those who cry out to another god with Allah will be tormented doubly in hell. 25:68-69
      Many will not believe until they see the painful doom. 26:201
      Those who believe in another god are doomed. 26:213
      Stay away from poets. The erring follow them. 26:224
      Allah leads those who do not believe in the Hereafter astray by making things work out OK in this life, so that he can torment them forever in the next. They will get the worst punishment and will be the greatest losers. 27:4-5
      But he "saved those who believed." 27:53
      Allah will taunt Christians on the day of their doom, saying: Where are My partners whom ye imagined? 28:62-64
      Never help disbelievers. 28:86
      Those who disbelieve in the revelations of Allah have no hope of mercy. For such there is a painful doom. 29:23
      "Ye have chosen only idols instead of Allah … on the Day of Resurrection ye will deny each other and curse each other, and your abode will be the Fire, and ye will have no helpers." 29:25
      Only wrong-doers deny the revelations of Allah. 29:49
      Those who disbelieve in the revelations of Allah are the losers. 29:52
      The doom of hell will come upon disbelievers suddenly, when they least expect it. 29:53-55
      The worst thing you can do is tell a lie about Allah. Hell is the home of disbelievers. 29:68
      When the Hour comes, Christians will be divided into two groups: Those who believed Allah's revelations, and those who disbelieved in them. The believers will be happy in the Garden; the disbelievers will be brought to doom. 30:13-16
      Allah does not love disbelievers. 30:45
      Allah seals the heart of disbelievers. (And then he burns them in the Fire.) 30:59
      Those who mislead others from Allah's way and mock Islam will have a painful doom. 31:6-7
      Allah will give disbelievers a little comfort for a little while, and then he'll torment them forever with a heavy doom. 31:23-24
      Allah will fill hell with the jinn and mankind together. 32:13
      Allah: Taste the doom of immortality because of what ye used to do. 32:14
      Those who used to deny the Fire will be tormented in it forever. 32:20
      The worst thing you can do is to deny the revelations of Allah. 32:22
      Don't obey disbelievers. 33:1
      He hath prepared a painful doom for the unfaithful." 33:8
      Allah makes the deeds of unbelievers fruitless. 33:19
      Allah cast panic into the hearts of the disbelievers. He killed some, and enslaved others. 33:25-26
      Ignore disbelievers and their poisonous talk. 33:48
      Those who malign Allah, Muhammad, and Muslims will be cursed by Allah in this life and with doom in the Hereafter. 33:57
      Those who oppose Islam will be slain with a fierce slaughter. 33:60-61
      Allah has cursed the disbelievers, and has prepared for them a flaming fire, wherein they will abide forever. 33:64-65
      T"On the day when their faces are turned over in the Fire, they say: Oh, would that we had obeyed Allah and had obeyed His messenger!"
      When Allah burns the faces of disbelievers in the Fire, they'll wish they had obeyed Muhammad and Allah. 33:66
      Those who challenge the revelations of Muhammad will have a painful doom. 34:5
      "They are filled with remorse when they behold the doom; and We place carcans on the necks of those who disbelieved." 34:33
      Those who disbelieve in the Hereafter will be tormented. 34:8
      Those who strive against Allah's revelations will be brought to the doom. 34:38
      Allah hates those who ignore his messengers. 34:45
      Those who ignore Allah's messenger (Muhammed) will face a terrific doom. 34:46
      Those who are cast into hell be terrified when they see that they have no escape. Then they will believe. But it will be too late. 34:51-52
      Those who disbelieve will have an awful doom. 35:7
      Allah hates disbelievers. 35:26
      Disbelievers will burn forever in the fire of hell. Allah will keep them alive so that he can torture them forever. When they repent and ask for mercy, he will ignore them. 35:36-7
      He who disbelieves, his disbelief be on his own head. 35:39
      Allah has blinded the disbelievers so that they cannot see the truth. So it don't bother warning them. They will go to hell anyway. 36:8-10
      Allah will burn the disbelievers in hell. 36:63-4
      Those who refuse to believe in Muhammad's revelations will face a painful doom. 37:31-38
      If you're not favored by Allah, you're doomed. 37:57
      Allah drowned everyone except Noah and his family in the flood. 37:82
      Only the "single-minded slaves of Allah" will be saved from the doom. 37:127-8
      Allah killed everyone in Sodom except for Lot and his family. 37:136
      No one is against Allah, except those who burn in hell. 37:162-3
      Just wait a while and watch. The unbelievers will soon be destroyed in the doom. 37:176-9
      Those who disbelieve are in false pride and schism. 38:2
      Allah has destroyed many generations. 38:3
      Those who doubt will soon taste Allah's doom. 38:8
      Those who deny the messengers deserve doom. 38:14
      Those who wander from the way of Allah will have an awful doom. 38:26
      Those who disbelieve will burn in the Fire. 38:27
      Tell the disbelievers to enjoy themselves now, because later they will be owners of the Fire. 39:8
      Those who disobey Allah should fear his doom. 39:13
      No one will be able to help those that Allah torments in the Fire. 39:19
      Woe unto those who forget Allah. They are in plain error. 39:22
      The doom will come upon those who deny what Allah has revealed. 39:25
      Allah will make non-believers "taste humiliation in the life of the world" and " the doom of the Hereafter" which will be even worse. 39:26
      The worst thing you can do is tell a lie against Allah. The home of disbelievers is hell. 39:32
      Surrender to Allah before he sends the doom upon you suddenly. 39:54-55
      Disbelievers had their chance to believe. They will all suffer in an endless doom. 39:56-59
      Those who lie about Allah will be sent to hell and will have their faces blackened. 39:60
      Losers are those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah. 39:63
      Those ascribe a partner to Allah (like the Christians) will be among the losers. 39:65
      Those who disbelieve will be driven into hell. 39:71-72
      Those who disbelieve are the owners of the Fire. 40:6
      Allah greatly abhors those who disbelieve. 40:10
      Those who ignore Allah's "clear proofs" will be seized and punished severely. 40:22
      Those in hell will beg to be relieved from the Fire's torment for just a day. But the prayer of a disbeliever is in vain. 40:49-50
      Those who bicker about Allah's revelations are filled with pride. 40:56
      Those who scorn Allah will go to hell. 40:60
      Those who deny the revelations of Allah are perverted. 40:63
      Those who deny the Scripture and Allah's messengers will be dragged through boiling water and thrust into the Fire. 40:70-72
      Allah will taunt the Christians in hell, saying: Where are all my parnters that you used to believe in? 40:73
      Thus does Allah send astray the disbelievers (in his guidance). 40:74
      Those who scorn will go to hell. 40:76
      When they see Allah's doom they will believe in Allah. But their faith will not save them. The disbelievers will be ruined. 40:84-85
      Woe unto the idolaters who disbelieve in the Hereafter. 41:6
      The enemies of Allah will be gathered into the Fire where their skin, ears, and eyes will testify against them. 41:19-20
      Non-muslims will be tormented forever in the Fire. Allah will not have any mercy on them. 41:24
      Allah will make those who disbelieve taste an awful doom. Their immortal home will be the Fire, since they denied Allah's revelations. 41:27-28
      "Lo! those who distort Our revelations are not hid from Us. Is he who is hurled into the Fire better?" 41:40
      Those who disbelieve will taste hard punishment. 41:50
      In whatsoever ye differ, the verdict therein belongeth to Allah."
      Disputes, whether religious or political, must be decided by Allah. Democracy is not an option. 42:10
      Those who argue about Allah will have his wrath upon them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 42:16
      "And as for disbelievers, theirs will be an awful doom." 42:26
      Allah sends some people astray and then punishes them for it by burning them in the Fire. 42:44-46
      Those who turn people away from Islam will "be sharers in the doom." 43:37-39
      "But they will come to know."
      Allah will torment disbelievers forever in hell. 43:88-89
      Those in torment will claim to believe and ask Allah for relief. But he will refuse since they will return to their disbelief. 44:11-16
      "He hath saved them [Muslims] from the doom of hell."
      (Everyone else is going to hell.) 44:56
      Those who hear and reject Allah's revelations are sinful liars. Give them tidings of a painful doom. 45:7-8
      Those who joke about Allah's revelations will go to hell. Theirs will be a shameful doom. 45:9-10
      Those who disbelieve in Allah's revelations will have a awful doom of wrath. 45:11
      Those who disbelieve are guilty folk. 45:31
      Disbelievers will be rewarded with the ignominious doom of the Fire. 46:20
      Serve only Allah or face the doom of a tremendous day. 46:21
      If you believe Muhammed, Allah will forgive some of your sins and protect you from the painful doom (that he plans to torture everyone else with). 46:31
      Allah will taunt the disbelievers that he torments in the fire, saying: "Taste the doom for that ye disbelieved." 46:34
      Allah makes the works of disbelievers vain. 47:1
      Those who disbelieve follow falsehood. 47:3
      Smite the necks of the disbelievers whenever you fight against them. Those who die fighting for Allah will be rewarded. 47:4
      Allah will damn the disbelievers and make all their actions fruitless. 47:8-9
      Disbelievers may eat and be happy now, but the Fire will be their final home. 47:12
      Those who turn away from Islam, and obey non-Muslims in some things, have been seduced by Satan. 47:25-26
      Angels will gather them together and smite their faces and backs. 47:27
      Allah will make the actions those who disbelieve fruitless. 47:32
      Those who disbelieve will never be pardoned by Allah. 47:34-35
      Those who think an evil thought concerning Allah will be cursed and sent to hell by him. 48:6
      Allah has prepared a flame for the disbelievers. 48:13
      If you refuse to fight for Allah, he will punish you with a painful doom. 48:16
      "Whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom." 48:17
      Allah punished those who disbelieved with a painful punishment. 48:25
      Allah will "cause it [Islam] to prevail over all religion." 48:28
      Those with Muhammad are ruthless toward disbelievers and merciful toward themselves. 48:29
      Allah will hurl those who believe in another god into a dreadful doom. 50:26
      Accursed are the conjecturers who ask: When is the Day of Judgment? It is the day they will be tormented by the Fire. 51:10-14
      "We left behind therein a portent for those who fear a painful doom." 51:37
      Woe to the disbelievers. 51:60
      Those who deny the existence of hell will be thrust into its Fire. 52:11-16
      "Their Lord hath warded off from them the torment of hell-fire."
      (Everyone else is going to hell — and the believers are all okay with that.) 52:18
      Those who disbelieve are trapped. 52:42
      Those who disbelieve in the afterlife give female names to angels. 53:27
      Those who disbelieve in the afterlife are only guessing and have no real knowledge. 53:29
      Stay away from non-Muslims, especially those who disbelieve in the afterlife. 53:29
      Allah sent a storm of stones on Lot's folk, killing all but Lot's family. 54:34
      The guilty deny hell. But after they die they go circling between it and fierce, boiling water. 55:43-44
      Those who deny Allah and the Hereafter will eat from the Zaqqum tree and drink boiling water. 56:51-54
      Allah will welcome the rejecters and erring with boiling water and a roasting in the hell fire. 56:92-94
      Those who disbelieve or doubt the revelations of Allah will be face the doom. 57:13-14
      The home of disbelievers is the Fire, a hapless journey's end. 57:15
      Those who disbelieve and deny Allah's revelations are the owners of the fire. 57:19
      For disbelievers is a painful doom. 58:4
      For disbelievers is a shameful doom. 58:5
      Those who disobey Muhammed will go to hell. 58:8
      Don't make friends with Allah's enemies. For those who do so, Allah has prepared a dreadful doom. 58:14-15
      Those who turn others away from the way of Allah will have a shameful doom. They are rightful owners of the Fire. 58:16-17
      Those who oppose Allah and His Messenger will be among the lowest. 58:20
      On the Last Day good Muslims will not love their non-Muslim friends and family members, not even their fathers, sons, or brothers (or their mothers, daughters, or sisters). 58:22
      Allah cast fear into the hearts of the disbelieving People of the Scripture. Their home in the Hereafter will be the Fire. 59:2-3
      "Whatsoever the messenger giveth you, take it. And whatsoever he forbiddeth, abstain (from it)."
      Do whatever Muhammad tells you to do. (Or you'll go to hell.) 59:7
      The disbelieving people of the Scripture are liars. 59:11
      The disbelievers fear the believers more than Allah. 59:13
      The devil and disbelievers will be in the Fire. 59:16-17
      The owners of the Garden and the owners of the Fire are not equal. 59:20
      Don't be friends with disbelievers. They are your (and Allah's) enemy. 60:1
      Abraham hated those who had religious beliefs that were different than his. So you should too. 60:5
      Don't be friends with those who have warred against you because of religion. Whoever makes friends with them is a wrong-doer. 60:9
      Don't be friends with those who disbelieve in the Hereafter. They are Allah's enemies. 60:13
      The worst thing you can do is tell a lie about Allah. 61:7
      Allah gave Muhammad the one true religion and sent him to conquer all other (false) religions. 61:9
      "O ye who believe! Shall I show you a commerce that will save you from a painful doom?" 61:10
      A hypocritical Jew looks like an ass carrying books. Those who deny the revelations of Allah are ugly. 62:5
      Allah seals the hearts of those who believe and then disbelieve so that they can understand nothing. 63:3
      Disbelievers are perverted. They are the enemy, confounded by Allah. 63:4
      Don't bother to ask Allah to forgive the disbelievers. He will never forgive them. 63:6
      "Might belongeth to Allah and to His messenger and to the believers." 63:8
      Those who disbelieve will have a painful doom. 64:5
      Those who disbelieve are the owners of the Fire. 64:10
      Be stern with disbelievers. They are going to Hell anyway. 66:9
      Disbelievers will go to hell where they will hear its roaring and boiling. 67:6-7
      Who will protect the disbelievers from a painful doom? (Nobody) 67:28
      Refuse to obey the "rejecters" (Non-Muslims?) who seek compromise 68:8-9
      Those who consider the Quran to be "mere fables" will be branded on the nose.68:15-16
      "Shall We then treat those who have surrendered (Muslims) as We treat the guilty (Non-Muslims)?" 68:35
      Those who do not believe in Allah will be chained up and cast into hell-fire where they will eat filth. 69:30-35
      Doom is about to fall on all disbelievers. Only worshippers (Muslims) and those who preserve their chastity (except with their wives and slave girls) will be spared from "the fires of hell" that are "eagar to roast." 70:1-30
      "Lo! the doom of their Lord is that before which none can feel secure" (except for maybe those who are fearful of it). 70:27-28
      Disbelievers will enter hell with frantic with fear, knowing they will be tortured forever by Allah. 70:36, 44
      Allah sent Noah to warn people about the painful doom he was planning to send. (It didn't work out well; Allah sent it anyway.) 71:1
      Noah asked Allah to drown all the disbelievers. 71:26
      The fires of hell will be fueled with the bodies of idolators and unbelievers. They will experience an ever-greater torment. 72:15-17
      Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will dwell forever in the fire of hell. 72:23
      Allah will take care of the deniers. He will tie them up, burn them in a raging fire, and feed them food that chokes them. 73:11-13
      The last day will be a day of anguish for disbelievers. 74:9-10
      Those who are stubborn to Allah's revelations will face a fearful doom. 74:16-17
      Allah has appointed angels to tend the Fire and has prepared stumbling blocks for those who disbelieve. He sends some people (whoever he wants) astray. 74:31
      Those who pay attention to this life and ignore the Hereafter will suffer forever in hell. 75:20-29
      Allah has prepared chains, manacles, and a raging fire for the disbelievers. 76:4
      Don't obey disbelievers. 76:24
      Woe unto the repudiators on that day! 77:19, 77:24, 77:28, 77:34, 77:40, 77:45, 77:49
      Depart unto that doom which ye used to deny." 77:29
      Those who deny the revelations given to Muhammed will burn forever in hell. 78:21-30
      "Lo! We warn you of a doom at hand, a day whereon a man will look on that which his own hands have sent before, and the disbeliever will cry: 'Would that I were dust!'" 78:40
      Those who rebel by choosing this life over the next will go to hell. 79:37-39
      Disbelievers are wicked people. On the last day they will be in darkness and have dust on their faces. 80:40-42
      Those who reject Allah's revelations will burn in hell. 83:10-17
      The disbelievers used to laugh at the believers. But the final laugh will be on them. 83:29-36
      Disbelievers will be given a painful doom. 84:22-24
      Those who persecute Muslims, without repenting, will burn in hell. 85:10
      Allah plots against non-Muslims. 86:16
      "Deal gently with them (non-Muslims) for a while. (How long is "a while"?) 86:17
      Allah will punish disbelievers with the direst punishment. 88:23-24
      Allah poured the disaster of His punishment upon those who rebelled against him. 89:11-13
      Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will have the Fire placed over them like an awning. 90:19-20
      Those who deny Allah's revelations must endure the flaming fire. 92:14-16
      Allah created humans to be "of best stature" but then reduced them "to the lowest of the low". Except for "those who believe and do good works." But what about those who don't believe but do good works? Are they the "lowest of the low"? 95:4-6
      Allah will grab those who deny His guidance by the forelock and call the guards of hell. 96:13-18
      Those who disbelieve will abide in the fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings. 98:6
      Only religious people help orphans or those in need. 107:1-3
      "I seek refuge … from the evil of malignant witchcraft."
      (Witchcraft is evil.) 113:4

      Comments:

      The 537 Quran verses listed above, proves the exclusivity of Islam and places Islam as a Totalitarian Supremacist Theocratic Political Doctrine that is inflexible and intolerant of all other religious beliefs. Any hopes of moderation of any such beliefs is impossible because the commands are the Word of Allah and no one on earth has the authority to alter a single of Allah's words or commands. Couple this with the 700 Biblical Intolerant verses, and you can understand why in 1400 years, there has never been a single compromise between Islam and Christianity. Those who hope for such compromise and moderation will have to wait another 1400 years to finally agree that it is an impossibility.

      • salimisslim@hotmail.com

        What make you think that Creating or “spreading mischief” refers to “those who speak against Islam” (“i.e. infidels, blasphemers, islamophobes”)? Nowhere in this verse are mentioned the words ‘infidels’, blasphemers or islamophobes. “Spreading mischief” simply means causing disorder in community, disruption of public peace, banditry, involving violence and bloodshed, and it refers to anybody. Not only disbelievers as you deceitfully try to makes us believe. Accordingly, the term “Mankind’ doesn’t refer only to Muslims, but rather to all human beings. The word ‘Nas’ means human beings. Muslims are part of human beings.

        As a matter of fact, Allah, The Almighty God, informed people either via Islam or via other divine religions that human life, any human life, is sacred and for this reason He deems saving a life a virtue, as supreme as saving all humankind (not only Muslims and Jews), and considers ending a life a crime as serious as killing all humankind, because a single human represents their species and humans are equal to each other. An unjustifiable murder of a person (i.e. without a legal justification) causes such actions to spread in the community, leads people and the community into disorder, chaos, and bloodshed.

        All religions, law and morality systems are in an agreement that an unjustifiable murder, ending a life is a serious crime, regardless of who committed that crime. The same goes for the Islam. “….And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden [to be killed] except by [legal] right. This has He instructed you that you may use reason.” Quran 6:151 (i.e. murder without legal justification is therefore forbidden, but the death penalty imposed by the state for a crime is permitted).

        Further you mentioned a long list of Verses and in doing so , you let your interpretive creativity run wild . Most of what you cited are ripped out of context and extremely distorted, which is very very strange. You blame others for taking the Verses out of context, but that’s exactly what you do. On that account, you seem to be contradicting yourself. We call this speaking with a double tongue and using double standards! Besides to ripping out of context, you keep distorting the meaning of those cited Verses all along.

        Take for example the Verse 2:191. You dangerously trimmed this Verse down to the following in order to suit your perception of Islam as ‘intolerant’, ‘evil’ and ‘harsh’. You appear to apply here what can be labelled as ‘cut and choose’ approach. Quote: “Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such as the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief , then don’t kill them)” .

        This is a blatant attempt to distort the meaning of the verse and hence mislead people about Islam. As a matter of fact and contrary to your interpretation, the full Verse , however, reads: “And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah (persecution and oppression) is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- îaram (The Sacred Mosque in Mecca) until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.” Quran 2:191

        The obvious question which rises here is “kill who?”. The answer lies within the Verse itself (which you only cited a part of it in order to suit your hatred of Islam and Moslims), The answer also lies in the surrounding verses.
        Within the verse, it is clear that the place in question is al-Masjid al- îaram (i.e. the Sacred Mosque in Mecca, not London, New York or Paris). The verse convey clearly self-defence (i.e. do not fight them until they fight you). There can be no doubt that Muslims (like anybody else) have a legitimate right to fight against aggression or when oppressed.

        The same goes for the surrounding verses, especially the one before and after the verse 2:191: “Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.” Quran 2:191. This verse mentions fighting also as a means of self defence (i.e. fight those who fight you). However, when the enemy ceases its hostility, Muslims are commanded to cease fighting: “And if they cease (desist), then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.” Qur’an 2:192

        The following Verse (2:193) which you interpret as “Allah says that you must keep fighting until there is no more persecution and everyone on earth is a Muslim”. The Verse, however, reads: “And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.” The verse mentions nothing about fighting till “everyone on earth is a Muslim”. Such interpretation exits only in your head.

        Let us also not forget that the Quran, the main source of all Islamic law, states that there is no compulsion in religion, that no one is to be forced into or out of any religion; it’s a person’s free choice. “Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error.” (2:256). “The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills – let him believe; and whoever wills – let him disbelieve ….” (the rest is irrelevant) (18:29). So, your insinuations has absolutely no ground.

        So, when the verses are examined in context, it is clear that nowhere does they sanction the killing of innocent people. From verse 2:190 to 2:195, when read, Allah makes it evident to fight those only who fight them, fighting in self-defence.

        For your knowledge by the way, these verses were revealed at a time when the Muslims had been expelled from their homes on account of their faith. They endured more than ten years of persecution and eventually had to flee to a safe land.

        The above verses were referring to the Arab pagans of Mecca during the Prophet’s time, who oppressed the Muslims and planned to attack them where the Muslims sought refuge.
        Hence, the above verses can only be applied in such circumstances.

        The same can be said about the Verses 8:59-60. To mislead us, you only mentioned these 2 verses, but you ignored the following one: “And if they incline to peace, then incline to it and trust in God; surely He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower.” Qur’an 8:61

        So, by reading the full (historical) context we see then that the verses in question were revealed in a war scenario. It’s very clear that the enemy at that time were the ones to start the war first, thus Allah commanded the Muslims to prepare to defend; but in the following verse Allah says that if the enemy wants peace, then you shall grant it to them.

        Another proof which reveals that Muslims 1400 yrs ago stuck to the ethics of war and peace(unlike the terror wars waged by the US and its closest ally Israel against innocent civilians in our days):

        Abu Bakr, Prophet Mohammad’s closest friend and first successor, spoke of the Islamic approach to war by highlighting the following. In the battlefield, one should not:
        – commit treachery
        – mutilate the dead
        – deviate from the right path
        – kill a woman, child or aged man
        – harm or burn trees, especially the fruitful
        – slay the enemy’s flock, except for food
        – harm those who devote their life to worship

        Besides, in the Islamic law of war, not just any civil engineer can declare or launch a war. It is the prerogative of the duly constituted leader of the Muslim community that engages in the war. Nowadays that would be the president or prime minister of the state, as advised by the mufti or national jurisconsult.

        Concerning your reference to the severe punishment that awaits the disbelievers in the hereafter: What’s wrong with that? That’s a matter between God and the misbehaving humans. There is no HUMAN agent in most of those verses. He chooses to do what He sees fit and it really is none of any human’s business. What does this have to do with human-afflicted punishment, or war or whatever? seriously?

        Concerning the Christians, Jews and others, this is what the Quran says about them: ““Permission to take up arms is given to those against whom war is made, because they have been wronged and Allah, indeed, has power to help them – those who have been driven out from their homes unjustly, only because they said: ‘Our Lord is Allah’ and if Allah had not repelled some people by means of others, cloisters and churches and synagogues and mosques, wherein the name of Allah is oft remembered, would surely have been destroyed.” (Quran 22:39-40)

        Permission to take up arms is only given to those ‘against whom war is made’ meaning in self defence only. Moreover, Muslims are told they must protect churches and synagogues before they even protect their own mosques. This was a true teaching of religious freedom and interfaith harmony which was taught by Quran and the only conditions under which war could be made. It may well be true that these teachings have been forgotten by a small minority of extremist Muslims, but that does not mean Islam is to blame in the same way
        Jesus/Christianity were not to blame for the crusades in medieval times.

        The Qur’an assures Christians and Jews of paradise if they believe and do good works. they need have no fear in the afterlife: “Surely they that believe, and those of Jewry, and the Christians, and those Sabeaans, whoso believes in God and the Last Day, and works righteousness–their wage waits them with their Lord, and no fear shall be on them, neither shall they sorrow.” Quran 5:69

        When speaking of the 7th-century situation in the Muslim city-state of Medina, which was at war with pagan Mecca, the Quran notes that the polytheists and some Arabian Jewish tribes were opposed to Islam, but then goes on to say: ” . . . and you will find the nearest in love to the believers [Muslims] those who say: ‘We are Christians.’ That is because amongst them are priests and monks, and they are not proud.” Quran 5:82

        Historically, Jews were expelled from Spain to find their refuge in the Arab lands. Jews, Christians and other minorities all lived there in peace side by side with Muslims.

        Considering the above, It appears to me that your biased interpretation of the Quran does not differ from the one held by ISIS, and other groups. It stems from frustration, extremisme, prejudice and hate and has nothing to do wit the real sense conveyed by the Quran when put in full (historical) context.

      • mbplee

        salimisslim, thank you for your lengthy reply. I reply by Quoting your last paragraph to you:

        Considering the above, It appears to me that your biased interpretation of the Quran does not differ from the one held by ISIS, and other groups. It stems from frustration, extremisme, prejudice and hate and has nothing to do wit the real sense conveyed by the Quran when put in full (historical) context.

        salimisslim, if you are right, then all the Jihadis martyrs of this world have got it wrong then. All the Jihadists have thus committed crimes in the eyes of Allah?

        2016[edit]
        Afghanistan January 1, 2016 – A Taliban suicide bomber detonated himself in a French restaurant called ‘Le Jardin’ in Kabul. 2 dead 15 injured.[204]
        India January 2, 2016 – In the 2016 Pathankot attack suspected Jaish-e-Mohammed militants attacked an Indian air base killing 7 security force members. Several injured.[205]
        Iraq January 3, 2016 – Five Islamist suicide bombers attack an Iraqi military base. 15 dead and 22 injured.[206]
        Afghanistan January 4, 2016 – A Militant drove a truck packed with explosives to the armored gates of a compound for civilian contractors near Kabul’s airport before detonating. 30 people injured, including children.[207]
        Libya January 7, 2016 – In the Zliten truck bombing Islamist militants detonated a truck bomb at the police training camp al-Jahfal in the coastal town of Zliten, Libya. 50+ dead 100+ wounded.[208]
        France January 7, 2016 – In the January 2016 Paris police station attack an Islamist from Morocco wearing a fake explosive belt attacked police officers with a meat cleaver. He was shot dead.[209]
        Libya January 7, 2016 – A car bombing at a checkpoint in the Libyan oil port of Ras Lanuf left seven people dead and 11 wounded.[210]
        Egypt January 8, 2016 – In the 2016 Hurghada attack two militants armed with a melee weapon and a signal flare stormed the Bella Vista Hotel. 3 injured.[211]
        France January 11, 2016 – A 15-year old Turkish ISIL supporter attacked a teacher from a Jewish school in Marseille with a machete. 1 injured.[212]
        Iraq January 11, 2016 – ISIL gunmen detonate suicide vests in a shopping mall, killing at least 20 and wounding more than 40 people.[213]
        Turkey January 12, 2016 – In the 2016 Istanbul bombing an ISIL suicide bomber kills 10 tourists and injures 15 more in the historical centre of Istanbul.[214]
        Indonesia January 14, 2016 – In the 2016 Jakarta attacks 4 assailants kill 2 and injure 24 in a terrorist attack in Jakarta. The attack was orchestrated and financed from ISIL in Syria.[215]
        Somalia January 15, 2016 – In the El Adde attack, Al-Shabaab terrorists attack a African Union Kenyan army base in El-Adde. 63+ killed, several injured.[216]
        Burkina Faso January 15, 2016 – In the 2016 Ouagadougou attack Islamist gunmen armed with heavy weapons attacked the Cappuccino restaurant and the Splendid Hotel in the heart of Ouagadougou, the capital of Burkina Faso. 20+ killed. 15+ injured.[217]
        Pakistan January 21, 2016 – At least 22 killed in attack on Bacha Khan University, Pakistan. The Taliban claim responsibility for the attack.[218]
        Somalia January 22, 2016 – Al-Shabab attack on beachside restaurant leaves 20 dead.[219]
        Cameroon January 25, 2016 – Suspected Boko Haram insurgents have blown themselves up in a market in Cameroon, killing at least 25 people and injuring 62 others.[220]
        Nigeria January 30, 2016 – Boko Haram gunmen raided a Nigerian village, at least 65 people were killed and 136 others injured.[221]
        Ivory Coast March 13, 2016 – In the 2016 Grand-Bassam shootings Al Qaeda gunmen stormed 3 hotels in the beach resort city of Grand-Bassam in the Ivory Coast, leaving 18 people dead.[222]
        Iraq March 20, 2016 – In Anbar, Iraq, ISIL suicide bombers kill at least 24 at municipal building[223]
        Belgium March 22, 2016 – 2016 Brussels bombings includes two suicide bombings in Brussels Airport and one bombing in Brussels Metro that resulted in 35 deaths and more than 300 wounded.[224]
        Yemen March 25, 2016 – Three ISIL suicide bombers strike security checkpoints in the Yemeni city of Aden, killing 26 people.[225][226]
        Iraq March 25, 2016 – 30 people killed and 95 injured after a suicide bomber blew himself up at a football stadium in Iskandariya, south of Baghdad. ISIL claimed responsibility for the attack.[227][228]
        Pakistan March 27, 2016 – The 2016 Lahore suicide bombing targeted Christians who had gathered on Easter in Gulshan-e-Iqbal Park. The blast, by Jamaat-ul-Ahrar, a Pakistani Taliban faction, killed at least 70 people and injured 300 others.[229][230]
        Afghanistan April 19, 2016 – The April 2016 Kabul attack targeted a security team responsible for protecting government VIPs in Kabul, Afghanistan. The attack killed 64 people and wounded 347. It was the Taliban’s biggest attack on an urban area since 2001.[231]
        Bangladesh April 23, 2016 – Attackers hacked a university professor to death in the city of Rajshahi, Bangladesh. ISIL claimed responsibility for the attack stating that they assassinated him “for calling to atheism in the city of Rajshahi in Bangladesh”.[232][233]
        Bangladesh April 25, 2016 – Two gays rights activists were hacked to death in the capital of Bangladesh, Dhaka. An Al-Qaeda affiliated group claimed responsibility for the attacks and stated they killed the two as they were “pioneers of practicing [sic] and promoting homosexuality in Bangladesh”.[234][235]
        Iraq May 11, 2016 – At least 40 people were killed and 60 injured in a car bomb attack on a market in Baghdad. ISIL claims responsibility.[236]
        United States June 12, 2016 – At least 50 people were killed and 53 injured in a mass shooting at a nightclub in Orlando, Florida. The shooter, Omar Mateen, pledged allegiance to ISIL.[237][238]
        France June 14, 2016 – Two french citizens, a police officer and a mother were stabbed to death in Magnanville, France by a man swearing his allegiance to ISIS.[239]

        Get real and see Isla as what the prophet Muhammad preached and what Allah has commanded his followers to do.

      • kaici

        The arabic word for war is: “al-harb”.
        In a religious sense, as described by the Quran and teachings of the Prophet Muhammad (s), “jihad” has many meanings. It can refer to internal as well as external efforts to be a good Muslims or believer, as well as working to inform people about the faith of Islam.
        If military jihad is required to protect the faith against others, it can be performed using anything from legal, diplomatic and economic to political means. If there is no peaceful alternative, Islam also allows the use of force, but there are strict rules of engagement. Innocents – such as women, children, or invalids – must never be harmed, and any peaceful overtures from the enemy must be accepted.
        Military action is therefore only one means of jihad, and is very rare. To highlight this point, the Prophet Mohammed told his followers returning from a military campaign: “This day we have returned from the minor jihad to the major jihad,” which he said meant returning from armed battle to the peaceful battle for self-control and betterment.
        In case military action appears necessary, not everyone can declare jihad. The religious military campaign has to be declared by a proper authority, advised by scholars, who say the religion and people are under threat and violence is imperative to defend them. The concept of “just war” is very important.
        The concept of jihad has been hijacked by many political and religious groups over the ages in a bid to justify various forms of violence. In most cases, Islamic splinter groups invoked jihad to fight against the established Islamic order. Scholars say this misuse of jihad contradicts Islam.
        Examples of sanctioned military jihad include the Muslims’ defensive battles against the Crusaders in medieval times, and before that some responses by Muslims against Byzantine and Persian attacks during the period of the early Islamic conquests.

        WHAT JIHAD IS NOT!!!!!

        Jihad is not a declaration of war against other religions. It is worth noting that the Koran specifically refers to Jews and Christians as “people of the book” who should be protected and respected. All three faiths worship the same God. Allah is just the Arabic word for God, and is used by Christian Arabs as well as Muslims.
        Military action in the name of Islam has not been common in the history of Islam. Scholars says most calls for violent jihad are not sanctioned by Islam.
        Warfare in the name of God is not unique to Islam. Other faiths throughout the world have waged wars with religious justifications
        i told you and i repeat again “isis and all those barbarians you described are not representative of muslims as KKK were not representative of christians !!!

      • kaici

        What Jihad IS NOT!

        If you open a modern Oxford English dictionary, you would probably

        find the definition of Jihad as “a holy war undertaken by Muslims against

        non-believers”. This is a very poor definition. Before trying to define what

        Jihad is, we should first define what it is NOT.

        Jihad is NOT Holy War

        Jihad is NOT blowing up one’s self (Suicide is a sin in Islam)

        Hadith : Shahi Bukhari.
        Book 23. Funerals (Al-Janaa’iz).

        Volumn 002, Book 023, Hadith Number 445.
        —————————————–
        Narated By Thabit bin Ad-Dahhak : The Prophet (p.b.u.h) said, “Whoever intentionally swears falsely by a religion other than Islam, then he is what he has said, (e.g. if he says, ‘If such thing is not true then I am a Jew,’ he is really a Jew). And whoever commits suicide with piece of iron will be punished with the same piece of iron in the Hell Fire.” Narrated Jundab the Prophet said, “A man was inflicted with wounds and he committed suicide, and so Allah said: My slave has caused death on himself hurriedly, so I forbid Paradise for him.”

        Jihad is NOT killing innocent people

        Jihad is NOT flying a plane into a building packed with civilians

        Jihad is NOT fighting out of anger and hatred

        Jihad is NOT killing others just because they don’t agree with you

        Jihad is NOT killing others just because they are not Muslims

        The real meaning of Jihad

        Jihad is an Arabic word from the root Jee Ha Da. It literally means to

        struggle or strive. Jihad is struggling or striving in the way or sake of

        Allah. Jihad takes a very important status in the doctrine of Islam and is

        one of the basic duties for every Muslim.

        Though, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the term Holy War. Such

        a term, or its equivalent doesn’t exist in the Islamic doctrine. The Christian

        Crusaders in the mid-ages invented this ideology of Holy War.

        There is nothing “Holy” about wars. Wars only involve killings and disasters!

        Jihad has many forms,

        Jihad of the heart/soul (jihad bin nafs/qalb)

        Jihad by the tongue (jihad bil lisan)

        Jihad by the pen/knowledge (jihad bil qalam/ilm)

        Jihad by the hand (jihad bil yad)

        Jihad by the sword (jihad bis saif)

        Jihad of the Heart/Soul

        Jihad of the heart/soul; in Arabic: jihad bin nafs/qalb. It is referred as

        “the greater Jihad” (al-jihad al-akbar).

        It is one’s inner struggle of good against evil; refraining oneself from the

        whispers of Shaitan (Satan).

        This process involves allowing Islam to transform one’s soul to achieving

        internal peace; and forgoing the hatred and anger.

        “Jihad is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it, and it may

        be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a

        thing which is bad for you. Allah knows but you do not know.”

        {Quran, Surah 2: Al-Baqarah, Verse 216; Mohsin Translation}

        Jihad by the tongue

        Jihad by the tongue; in Arabic: jihad bil lisan.

        It is defending Islam and spreading Islam by scholarly lectures, speeches

        and debates. It often overlaps with Da’awah (invitation to Islam, or

        spreading the message of Islam).

        In The Last Sermon, Prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) asked the

        listeners whether he has passed on the message to them; and they

        confirmed affirmatively.

        Then the Messenger of Allah ordered all those present today to pass on

        the same message to those who are not here today; and the last person to

        hear the message should understand it better than the people here.

        Jihad by the pen/knowledge

        Jihad by the pen/knowledge; in Arabic: jihad bil qalam/ilm.

        This form of Jihad involves scholarly research of Islam in aiding the

        spread and defence of Islam; and publishing written articles in clearing

        misconceptions and correction lies against Islam.

        Examples of such Jihad include the research and discovery of scientific

        evidences, literature miracles and mathematical miracles from the Quran.

        Messenger of Allah once stated that the ink of a scholar is holier than the

        blood of a martyr; and one who is reading looks handsome in front of

        Allah.

        Jihad by the hand

        Jihad by the hand; in Arabic: jihad bil yad.

        This is a Jihad of action rather than words. At certain areas, it overlaps

        with Zakart (charity) and Hajj (pilgrimage).

        Some of its examples include giving charity to the poor and needy,

        performing Hajj or Ummrah, helping those who need help, saving

        people’s lives, etc. These are more of physical deeds instead of words.

        “A person whose feet become dust ridden because of [striving] in

        the way of Allah will never be touched by the flames of Hell”

        { Sahih Bukhari 2811}

        The most beautiful of all Jihad is a perfect Hajj. It involves testing of

        one’s patience and piety to the apex. The whole period of Hajj, with just

        one intention and aim, worshiping Allah!

        Jihad by the sword

        Jihad by the sword; in Arabic: jihad bis saif. In contrary to Jihad of the

        heart/soul; this form of Jihad is referred as “the lesser jihad” (al-jihad alasghar).

        Sometimes it is necessary to undertake Jihad by the sword. This would

        include usage of arsenals and engaging in a combat. This could be simply

        a bunch of freedom fighters or an organised campaign of army.

        Jihad by the sword is use of arms to engage into a combat. It is not

        misuse of arms to create violence.

        There are only two situations were Jihad by the sword is allowed to be

        undertaken.

        1) For self-defence. When someone attacks you or when your

        nation has been attacked. Engaging into combat due to self defence.

        2) Fighting against evil and unjust. It is also a sin if a Muslim

        sees unjust been done, capable of stopping it, yet not doing

        anything about it. This can include war on drug, war on child

        labour as well as war on terror!

        The American administration today seems to be launching a global war

        on terror, but are they the first to launch the war on terror?

        The Muslims already announced the war on terror fourteen centuries ago,

        under the name of Jihad bis saif!

        There are many rules and limitations when engaging in combat under the

        title of Jihad. For example, civilians are not to be harmed; trees are not to

        be cut down; asylum should be granted to surrendering enemy soldiers;

        etc.

        “And if anyone of the Mushrikun seeks your protection then grant

        him protection, so that he may hear the Word of Allah, and then

        escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men

        who know not.”

        {Quran, Surah 9: At-Taubah, Verse 6; Mohsin Translation}

        The above verse states that when an enemy soldier surrenders during a

        battle, the Muslim soldiers must grant asylum and in addition, escort him

        to safety!

        The treatment for prisoners of war is also clearly stated in the Quran.

        Prisoners of war under Muslim prisons are to eat, drink and dress the

        same Muslim soldiers eat, drink and dress.

        And even under the unfortunate event of shortage of food, it is the

        prisoners who are to eat first before the Muslim soldiers guarding them!

        A closer look at the Sword

        Despite the fact that Jihad by the sword is the lesser Jihad, it is the only

        form of Jihad that most of the people in the world perceive Jihad as.

        This is unfortunate, especially for the Muslims. Many so-called “teachers

        of Islam” have been misusing this to assemble their so-called “holy

        army” to fight their so-called “holy war”.

        But you can’t blame the religion for what a few of its people do. In every

        society, there is a black sheep.

        Self-Defence:

        Since Jihad by the sword has been overwhelmingly magnified in the

        wrong angle, let’s take a closer look at it in the right angle. What is

        wrong with Jihad by the sword if it is fighting for self-defence?

        In the early years of revelation of Islam in Mecca, Muslims were not

        granted permission from Allah to fight. So the Muslims suffered both

        moral and physical humiliations from the non-Muslims in Mecca.

        The first verses regarding Jihad were then revealed allowing Muslims to

        undertake self-defence.

        “And fight in the Way of Allah those who fight you, but transgress

        not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors.

        {Quran, Surah 2: Al-Baqarah, Verse 190; Mohsin Translation}

        Many of the Quranic verses are being quoted out of context to

        wrongly justify terrorist actions. Yet, most of those verses are only

        referring to a particular situation; such as Battle of Badr or Battle of

        Uhud.

        Intention and war against Satan:

        “Those who believe, fight in the Cause of Allah, and those who

        disbelieve, fight in the cause of Satan. So fight against the friends

        of Satan. Ever feeble indeed is the plot of Satan.”

        {Quran, Surah 4: An-Nisa, Verse 76; Mohsin Translation}

        Now the second question is, what is wrong in fighting against evil and

        liberating people from sufferings?

        “Once a person came to the Prophet (sws) and said that some people

        fight for the spoils of war, some for fame and some to show off

        their valour; he then asked the Prophet (sws): “Which one of them

        fights in the way of Allah”. The Prophet (sws) replied: “Only that

        person fights in the way of Allah who sets foot in the battlefield to

        raise high the name of Allah”.

        { Sahih Bukhari 2810}

        Who is a Holy Warrior?

        According to the Quran, a martyr who died in the way of Jihad is

        promised Paradise. But what are the criteria of martyr, or in other words,

        what are the criteria of a Holy Warrior undertaking the True Jihad?

        The most famous of all Hadith is the one regarding everything we do are

        judged by our intensions; so as it is mentioned in the previous chapter.

        So who is an example of a Holy Warrior?

        Ali bin Abu Talib, cousin of Prophet Mohammed (s.a.w) and the fourth

        Caliph of the Islamic Ummah is a good example.

        During one of the battles, Ali was about to give a deathblow to an enemy

        soldier. Just then, that enemy soldier spat at Ali. Ali then suddenly

        stopped, threw down his sword and refused to kill that enemy soldier.

        After the battle, Ali’s soldiers asked Ali why he suddenly stopped

        and refused to kill that enemy soldier on the battlefield.

        Ali explained that he got angry when that enemy soldier spat at him. So

        if he had killed that enemy soldier right then, he would be killing out of

        his own anger and no longer fighting for Justice. In the sight of Allah, he

        would then be no different from a murderer.

        Brothers and Sisters that is how we should see a Holy Warrior!

        THANK YOU

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  28. Mr. Patience

    Islam teaches us that judgement is left to God. There is a day called judgement day that most with a religion believe in. That is the day when people will be judged by God according to Islam. No one has the right to kill anyone or for that matter to even discriminate against another no matter their belief. Again there will be judgement day for this. You simply are no different than ISIS and spreading hate. NO religion, no prophet, no God teaches hate but it is obvious that in life we have people like you and ISIS and many other groups that spread hate. I certainly hope love and respect for others prevails.

    • mbplee

      Dear Mr. Patience, thank you for your comments. I hope you will read the article more closely and appreciate the following:

      “What is considered spreading “mischief in the land?”

      Fasad (Arabic: فساد /fasād/) is an Islamic concept which means spreading mischief in a Muslim land,moral corruption against God, and any form of expression or activity by non-Muslims or apostates of Islam that creates disorder in the Muslim community.

      So “spreading mischief ” is a code term to clearly refer to non-Muslims and never to devout Muslims. So it becomes clear that it does not apply to, “those who spread mischief in Muslim land or non-Muslims. This cannot be clearer.

      So it should be abundantly clear that most Muslims have been misled or misunderstood Quran 5:32 ”

      Thus it would seem that the Quran has approved the killing of those, ” who cause mischief in the land, i.e., infidels, non-Muslims.”

      This amounts to Jihad against all infidels. This is very clear to me, I wonder why Muslims blank it out in their thought processes?

  29. kaici

    truggling or striving.
    The arabic word for war is: “al-harb”.
    In a religious sense, as described by the Quran and teachings of the Prophet Muhammad (s), “jihad” has many meanings. It can refer to internal as well as external efforts to be a good Muslims or believer, as well as working to inform people about the faith of Islam.
    If military jihad is required to protect the faith against others, it can be performed using anything from legal, diplomatic and economic to political means. If there is no peaceful alternative, Islam also allows the use of force, but there are strict rules of engagement. Innocents – such as women, children, or invalids – must never be harmed, and any peaceful overtures from the enemy must be accepted.
    Military action is therefore only one means of jihad, and is very rare. To highlight this point, the Prophet Mohammed told his followers returning from a military campaign: “This day we have returned from the minor jihad to the major jihad,” which he said meant returning from armed battle to the peaceful battle for self-control and betterment.
    In case military action appears necessary, not everyone can declare jihad. The religious military campaign has to be declared by a proper authority, advised by scholars, who say the religion and people are under threat and violence is imperative to defend them. The concept of “just war” is very important.
    The concept of jihad has been hijacked by many political and religious groups over the ages in a bid to justify various forms of violence. In most cases, Islamic splinter groups invoked jihad to fight against the established Islamic order. Scholars say this misuse of jihad contradicts Islam.
    Examples of sanctioned military jihad include the Muslims’ defensive battles against the Crusaders in medieval times, and before that some responses by Muslims against Byzantine and Persian attacks during the period of the early Islamic conquests.
    WHAT JIHAD IS NOT

    Jihad is not a violent concept.
    Jihad is not a declaration of war against other religions. It is worth noting that the Koran specifically refers to Jews and Christians as “people of the book” who should be protected and respected. All three faiths worship the same God. Allah is just the Arabic word for God, and is used by Christian Arabs as well as Muslims.
    Military action in the name of Islam has not been common in the history of Islam. Scholars says most calls for violent jihad are not sanctioned by Islam.
    Warfare in the name of God is not unique to Islam. Other faiths throughout the world have waged wars with religious justifications
    ISIS AND TALIBANS AND ALL THESES BARBARIANS ARE NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF MUSLIMS AS KKK WERE NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF CHRISTIANS OK?

  30. mbplee

    ***The true purpose of Jihad, to spread the Muslim faith, is spelled out explicitly: Allah’s Apostle said: “I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped by Allah and that Muhammad is Allah’s Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah.” (Sahih Bukhari 1:2:24 also 4:52:196)

  31. abdullah

    I see you are the liar who does taqiyyah as you said Muslims do taqiyyah when that is a jewish shia and maybe even a christian concept but not a Sunni Muslim concept and its not in the Quran!

    • mbplee

      abdullah, everything depends on how YOU want to practice Taqiyya.

      Is Allah the Best of Deceivers?
      According to the Qur’an, Allah is the “best of deceivers” (3:54; 8:30). The phrase is often translated into English as “best of planners,” “best of schemers,” or “best of plotters,” but the root word (makr) means “deception.” Hence, the following Qur’an verses should be rendered as follows:

      Qur’an 3:54—And they (the unbelievers) planned to deceive, and Allah planned to deceive (the unbelievers), and Allah is the best of deceivers.

      Qur’an 7:99—Are they then safe from Allah’s deception? No one feels safe from Allah’s deception except those that shall perish.

      Qur’an 8:30—And (remember) when the unbelievers plotted deception against you (O Muhammad), to imprison you, or kill you, or expel you. They plotted deception, but Allah also plotted deception; and Allah is the best of deceivers.

      All this from the Quran but it depends on how you wish to interpret it.

      • Salimisslim

        The first time I come accross the word “Taqiyya” was when I read the discussion between mbplee and abdullah. Nobody of my family, relatives, friends or acquaintances appear to ever have heard of this word before. In fact, most of the Muslims don’t know about it. So, I did some research and here’s what I found.

        As with other Quranic verses, the following verses are taken ou of context by Islam haters:

        Let not the believers take the disbelievers as Auliya (supporters, helpers, etc.) instead of the believers, and whoever does that will never be helped by God in any way, except if you indeed fear a danger from them. And God warns you against Himself (His Punishment), and to God is the final return. (Qur’an 3:28)

        The Qur’ânic instruction of not taking the unbelievers as friends must be carefully analyzed and understood in the context of the circumstance under which the verse was revealed. The verse and sûrah was revealed in 3 A.H./625 C.E. after the battle of Badr and Uhud when the Muslims were in a state of war and confrontation with the enemies. The prohibition of Muslims not being allowed to be friends with non-Muslims is only in war, making alliances with the enemy over the Muslims. That is what the passage is speaking about. There is no prohibition against Muslims having cordial friendly, everyday relations with non-Muslims as the bigots and Islam haters claim.

        “Whoever expresses disbelief in God after having accepted belief [will suffer greatly] – except him who is forced while his heart is still at peace in belief” (Quran 16:106)

        This verse deals with the case of those Muslims who were being persecuted with cruelty and were being subjected to unbearable torments to force them to give up their faith. They are being told that if at any time they are forced to utter words of disbelief to save their lives, when in fact in their hearts they are secure against disbelief, they will be pardoned. On the other hand, if they accepted unbelief from the core of their hearts, they shall not escape the torment of Allah even if they succeed in saving their lives.

        It does not, however, mean that one should utter words of disbelief to save his life. In other words, Islam does not urge or encourage believers to behave like that. This is merely a permission but not the ideal thing for a believer. According to this permission if one utters such a thing, he shall not be taken to account. In fact, the ideal for a believer is to utter words of truth in any case even if his body is cut into pieces. In Hadith in the Sunni commentary of Sahih al-Bukhari, known as the Fath al-Bari, it is therefore stated that: “There is a consensus that whomsoever is forced into apostasy and chooses death has a greater reward than a person who takes the license [to deny one’s faith under duress], but if a person is being forced to eat pork or drink wine, then they should do that [instead of choosing death].”

        There are instances which show that during the period of the Prophet (peace be upon him) most of the presecuted individuals acted upon the ideal, while only one person took advantage of the permission.

        There was Khabbab bin Art (may Allah be pleased with him) who was made to lie on embers of fire until the fire was extinguished by the melting of his fat, but he remained firm in his faith. Then there was Bilal Habashi who was made to put on an armor and stand in the scorching heat. Then he was dragged on the burning sand but he went on saying, “Allah is one”. There was another believer, Habib Gin Zaid bin Asim, whose limbs were cut one by one by the order of Musailimah, the Liar. Each time his limb was severed it was demanded of him that he should acknowledge the Liar as a prophet but each time he refused to bear witness to his claim of prophethood until he breathed his last.

        On the other hand, there was the instance of Ammar bin Yasir whose parents were mercilessly butchered before his eyes. After this he himself was put to such unbearable torture that, in order to save his life, he had to utter the same words of unbelief that were demanded of him. Afterwards when he came crying to the Prophet (peace be upon him), he said: O Messenger of Allah, they did not let me go until I spoke evil of you and praised their deities. The Prophet (peace be upon him) asked him: How do you feel about this, in your heart? He replied humbly: My heart is fully convinced of the faith. At this the Prophet (peace be upon him) replied: If they put you to the same torture again, you may utter the same words.

        My search for the word taqiyya yielded further the following information. The term Taqiyya (which -by the way- means caution, prudence, piety, fear of God and definitely NOT lying or deception) is unknown to the Sunni Muslims, because a situation like the instance of Ammar bin Yasir has rarely occurred in history. The concept was particularly embraced by the Shia, who took steps to hide their religious beliefs from the majority Sunnis. They had to hide their Shia identity in order to escape persecution.

        I think this is normal and understandable. If you are a Shia or Yazidi or whatever in Syria and someone from ISIS points a gun to you and asks: “are you a Shia or Yazidi?”. Your answer will be most likely “No” in order to save your life.

        Besides, any moral code, be it based in religious faith or atheistic humanism, should allow for lying in certain circumstances. That’s the most obvious thing in the world. If, for example, the Nazis knock on your door and ask you “are you hiding any Jews in your attic?”, would anyone demand you to be truthful and say “yes”? In that circumstance, lying should not only be allowed, but encouraged or even obligated. A moral code that did not allow for a lie in this circumstance would be highly flawed. This is simply common sense. No moral code, be it religious or otherwise, ought to command honesty without exception. It’s common sense that there should be some exceptions to truth-telling.

        Accordingly, in other religions, cultures and traditions deceit and lying during war is considered normal and even recommended.

        Lying in war is a well-known tactic. In fact, “War is deceit” is one of the oldest military principles in history. It is found in none other than ”The Art of War” by Sun Tzu, a Chinese strategist from the Sixth Century B.C. This book is the oldest military treatise in the world. In Part I, principle No. 18 says: All warfare is based on deception..

        This book forms the foundation of modern military thinking, and is listed in the United States Marine Corps Professional Reading Program. The book is required reading for CIA officers, and recommended reading for all U.S. military intelligence personnel. The book is required to be stocked in every major military library.

        Not only did Sun Tzu write of deception in warfare, but Italian Renaissance thinker Niccolo Machiavelli wrote: “Though fraud in other activities may be detestable, in the management of war it is laudable and glorious, and he who overcomes the enemy by fraud is as much to be praised as he who does by force.”

        In recent times, during World War II, there was a military operation called “Operation Fortitude.” It was a disinformation campaign to deceive the Germans about the Normandy invasion: “Fortitude” was the codename given to the decoy (or disinformation) mission mounted by the Allies to deceive the Germans about the date and above all the place of the landings…[The Germans] had to be made to think that a whole group of [Allied] armies was present in Kent, opposite the Pas-de-Calais…….. Fortitude succeeded beyond anyone’s wildest dreams.

        During the Gulf War, the US army successfully deceived the Iraqis regarding disposition of allied ground forces.

        The Menorah: A Monthly Magazine for the Jewish Home expounds:

        Deception in war…is legitimate according to Jewish law. Joshua used stratagem in capturing the city of Ai (Josh. viii), and the same was copied against Bejamin (Jud. xx). Ehud ben Gera killed Eglon, King of Moab, by disguise and deceit (Jud. iii., 20-22)…In our own times Gen. Fred Funston devised an artful plan to entrap Emilio Aguinaldo. Such deceit, however, is recommended in order to avoid needless bloodshed and hasten peace

        Rabbi Telushkin says the same in his book entitled A Code of Jewish Ethics, and even indicates that assassinations by stealth are permitted according to the Bible: “During a war, one may deceive enemies. The Bible relates how Ya’el, a Kenite woman, invited the fleeing Canaanite general Sisera into her tent: “Turn aside, my Lord, turn aside to me; have no fear,” she told him, before lulling Sisera to sleep and then killing him…The prophetess Deborah praised Ya’el for her deception of Sisera (Judges 5:24-26; see also Judges 4:17-21) …In short, in the proper circumstances, deception is not only tolerated, but applauded”

        The British and Foreign Evangelical Review says of Ya’el and Sisera: “That there was treachery, is admitted on all hands. The whole question resolves itself into this: Did Sisera deserve to be treacherously dealt with? Was Jael [Ya’el] justified in taking the advantage of him [as] she did? …If the deceptions of war we noticed just now [in the Bible] are not immoral, then we regard Jael’s act as morally defensible…She must use stratagem to kill him.”

        In a section entitled When Deceptions becomes Legitimate, The British and Foreign Evangelical Review writes: “Again, we find in the conquest that the Israelites were directed [by God] to practise certain deceptions upon their enemies…The moral aspect of these cases of deception on the part of God…[are justified by the] general understanding that in such circumstances “everything is fair” that can secure an advantage…There is no moral delinquency, therefore, in denying the whole truth to men, that is, in practising deception upon them, when it is understood that deception is part of the risk of war.”

        Christian professor Dr. Michael Heiser concurs that the “act of deception” and even “outright lie” is tolerated in war, even “HOLY war.” In a post entitled “Does God lie,” Prof. Heiser says that God uses deception, and even argues that Jesus himself used deception: “We know that there are specific statements asserting very clearly that God does not tell lies (e.g., Num. 23:19, Titus 1:2). However, God does use deception. Some of you no doubt will want to define lying so that it includes deception, but that is not only unwise, it puts you (and God) in a theological pickle…Why did Jesus demand deception (withholding the truth) on occasion? Why is that permissible?”

        I could carry on giving examples, but those listed above will suffice for now. Suffice it to say then that bigots and bold-faced hypocrites speak double tongue and use double standards when addressing Islam vis-a-vis other religions and cultures, based on half-truths and outright lies. Actually, they are the ones who really practice lying and deceit, not the Muslims. They are just projecting what they are actually doing. This is called psychological projection or blame shifting in psychology which is constantly used by bigots as a propaganda technique.

        Anyway, the idea put foreward by a bunch of bigots, Islamophobists, extrem right-wingers and evangelist zionists that Islam sancions deception and lying is absurd and an outright and bold-faced lie.

        Lying, except in a very limited situations during war, is highly prohibited in Islam and can lead to hell.

        The Prophet Muhammad was known by the name of Al-Amin (The Trustworthy), and even his greatest enemies did not know of him as a liar. The only so-called “lie” they counted against him was his claim to be a prophet of God. Abu Sufyan, the leader of the Quraish (the archenemy of the Muslims at the time), was asked by Heraclius about the Prophet Muhammad’s honesty. “Heraclius asked, ‘What does he [meaning the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him] command you to do?’ Abu Sufyan said, ‘He says: worship Allaah alone and do not associate anything in worship with Him, and abandon that which your forefathers did. He commands us to pray, to be truthful, to be chaste and to uphold the ties of kinship.” Heraclius also asked: “Have you ever accused him of telling lies?…Does he break his promises?” To both these questions, Abu Sufyan was forced to respond in the negative. (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 1/30 and Muslim, 1773). The Prophet Muhammad was known as being honest to all, regardless of religion.

        The prophet Muhammed minced no words about the necessity of telling the truth: “You must be truthful, for truthfulness leads to righteousness and righteousness leads to Paradise. A man will keep speaking the truth and striving to speak the truth until he will be recorded with Allaah as a siddeeq (speaker of the truth). Beware of telling lies, for lying leads to immorality and immorality leads to Hellfire. A man will keep telling lies and striving to tell lies until he is recorded with Allaah as a liar.” (Reported by Muslim, 4721)

        Al-Hasan ibn ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib (may Allaah be pleased with them both) said: “I memorized from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): ‘Leave that which makes you doubt for that which does not make you doubt, for truthfulness is certainty and tranquillity, whilst lying is doubt and confusion.” (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, 2520; al-Nisaa’i, 8/327; and Ahmad, 1/200)

        Hakeem ibn Hizaam (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Two parties to a deal have the option of changing their minds until they part; if they are open and honest, their deal will be blessed, and if they conceal and tell lies, the blessing of their deal will be diminished.” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 4/275 and Muslim, 1532.)

        It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “The signs of the hypocrite are three: when he speaks, he lies; when he makes a promise, he breaks it; and when he is entrusted with something, he betrays that trust.” (Narrated by al-Bukhari, 33; Muslim, 59)

        The Quran repeatedly mentions that the believers are those who stay honest to their oaths with the non-Muslims, and criticizes the Quraish idolaters for their failure to live up to their word. In Surah al-munafiqun (the Hypocrites, Chapter 63) and in various verses, we read how Allah expresses His aversion and abhorrence of the dishonest people and hypocrites and the severe punishment that awaits them in the hereafter, if they don’t repent.

        Some excerpts from the Quran:

        “O you who believe! Be afraid of Allaah, and be with those who are true (in word and deeds).” (9:119)

        “And cover not Truth with falsehood, nor conceal the Truth when ye know (what it is). (2:42)”

        “Those who are faithfully true to their amaanaat (all the duties which Allaah has ordained, honesty, moral responsibility and trusts, etc.) and to their covenants.” (23:8)

        “… and who fulfil their covenant when they make it…” (2:177)

        “That Allah may reward the truthful for their truth and punish the hypocrites if He wills or accept their repentance. Indeed, Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful.” (33:24)
        In conclusion: this whole accusation of muslims using “taqiyya” to deceive non muslims and then using “Jihad” to spread terror and whatever, is simply a BIG lie. It is aimed at spreading animosity, hatred and bigotry against Muslims, no more, no less.

      • mbplee

        salimisslim, thank you for your extensive reply. I will attempt to be brief. Your reply is typical of all replies from Muslims which is totally out of context of the tone of the Quran, and you have “cherry-picked” from the Quran to suit your prejudiced views and you have totally avoided looking at the topic with analytical detached valuation to see if there could be other interpretations to those views. I will quote from Islamic sources to show you that you have been “cherry-picking” to suit your biased views.

        First I will admit the following contempt for “lying” in the Quran:

        Lying is one of the greatest sins
        A tradition from the Holy Prophet (S) declares,

        “Beware I inform you regarding the greatest of the mortal sins: Associating anything with Allah, disobeying parents and lying!”1

        A similar tradition has been quoted from Imam Hasan al-Askari (a.s.) also,

        “All the evils have been locked in a room and its key is lying.”2

        Angels curse the liars
        The Prophet of Islam in another tradition is quoted to have said,

        “When a believer utters a lie without a valid excuse, he is cursed by seventy thousand angels. Such a stench emanates from his heart that it reaches the sky and because of this single lie Allah writes for him a sin equivalent to that of committing seventy fornications. Such fornications that the least of which is fornication with ones mother.”3

        Undoubtedly, lying is the worst of sins. It is obvious that the evils of lying are more dreadful than those of adultery. Some false words lead to war between two tribes or two sections of the society. Some lies blight the honour of thousands of people or endanger their lives, or lead to economic disasters.

        One kind of falsehood is that which is attributed to Allah (S.w.T.), the Holy Prophet (S) or the Holy Imams (a.s.). Understandably this is the worst kind of falsehood. Often due to lying, innocent people are sent to the gallows and their families destroyed. It is for this very reason that the traditions state:

        “Lying is an evil, greater than drinking wine.”

        But if you have never been exposed to Taqiyya, then you have been ignorant or uninformed of the teachings of Islam for a long time. Let me quote the following to let you understand how Taqiyya has been used by Muhammad and his followers for the past 1400 years:

        What is Toriya? (Concealment of truth without uttering a lie)
        Toriya means to say something, which could be interpreted in more that one way. One of the meanings should be the truth and the other against reality. It is said that one who speaks a ‘Toriya’ intends the true interpretation whereas the listeners take it to mean the opposite. For example if a tyrant comes to your place and wants to call you outside but you want to remain in the safety of your home, a person from your family can go to the door and say, ‘He is not here’; with the intention the ‘He’ is not at the door. The tyrant may think that you are not at home. This is permitted.

        Or if an oppressor is asking you the whereabouts of a person whom he intends to oppress. In this case you can say, ‘I do not know his whereabouts’; signifying by the pronoun ‘his’ someone else whose whereabouts you really do not know. In the same way if one has committed a greater sin and someone asks him, “Have you committed this sin?” The person could save his honour by saying, “I shall seek forgiveness from Allah (S.w.T.) if I ever committed it.”

        Similarly he may use uncertain terms or rhetorical sentences.

        For example he may say, “Do you expect me to commit such a grave sin?”

        Or he can also say the following prayer,

        “O Allah protect me from such a sin.”

        Also if you have pointed out somebody’s fault and he feels bad about it, there is no need to utter a lie and say, “You do not have this fault.” What can be said to pacify instead is, “Your personality is such that it is wrong to say such things about you.”

        Toriya is commanded
        Toriya is of Three kinds.

        First type

        The first type is when some purpose has to be achieved or there is a risk of some harm. These types of examples are quoted above. It is apparent that such a kind of ‘Toriya’ is permitted.

        Second type

        The next type of ‘Toriya’ is when a person intends to harm or insult someone else. There is no doubt that such a kind of ‘Toriya’ is ‘Harām’.

        Third type

        The third type of ‘Toriya’ is when there is neither a purpose behind it nor one intends to cause harm to others. According to some Mujtahids this type ‘Toriya’ is Harām. This is because ‘Toriya’ is a kind of a falsehood and whatever proofs exist for the prohibition of lying could also apply for this type of ‘Toriya’. Secondly there is nothing to prove the legality of this third type of ‘Toriya’. However, some of the Mujtahids are of the opinion that this kind of ‘Toriya’ is not Harām. For according to them all those proofs that permit ‘Toriya’ are also applicable to this type and hence it is not a lie.

        However, the precautionary method is to resort to ‘Toriya’ only when it is certain that it permissible.

        Circumstances when lying is permitted
        Whenever there is a danger to life, honour and property and if the danger can be avoided by lying, one is allowed to lie. The danger could be to ones own life, honour and property or to that of someone else.

        So much so that it is also permitted to take a false oath in this situation and in some cases it even becomes Wajib (obligatory) to speak a lie. E.g. when there is risk to ones life. In this case, it is Wajib to save oneself by lying and taking a false oath. For example, if an oppressor intends to kill a Muslim or to beat him up, dishonour him, seize his property or imprison him and if he enquires from you of his whereabouts, it is obligatory not to tell the truth even if one has to take a false oath and say that one does not know of his whereabouts.

        In the same way if someone entrusts a thing in your possession and another intends to seize it; it is your duty to protect the entrusted thing even if you have to resort to falsehood or take a false oath.

        False oath to save the Muslims
        There are many traditions that support the taking of a false oath in order to save the Muslims. For example, Shaykh Ansari in his book, Makasib quotes from Imam Ja’far as-Sadiq (a.s.) and Imam ‘Ali (a.s.) that they have narrated the following tradition of the Holy Prophet (S).

        The Holy Prophet (S) says:

        “Swear falsely by Allah, but save your Muslim brothers from unjust murder.”

        Ismael Ibn Sād records a confirmed tradition, wherein he says that he asked Imam ‘Ali Riďa (a.s.) concerning the person who takes a false oath to save his property from an unjust ruler.

        Imam Riďa (a.s.) replied,

        “There is no harm (in it).”

        He was again asked, “If a man takes a false oath to save the property of his believing brother, just as he had sworn falsely to save his own property. Is it allowed?”

        Imam (a.s.) said,

        “Yes! It is allowed.”34

        Also Hazrat Imam Ja’far as-Sadiq (a.s.) says,

        “If one is compelled to take a false oath to save the life of a Muslim or to save his property from an oppressor or a thief, not only is the expiation of this false oath not payable but he would rather be eligible for (divine) rewards.”

        Monetary loss and falsehood
        Two points must be remembered at this juncture. One is that even though it is permitted to lie to save oneself from every type of monetary loss, yet it is Mustahab (recommended) not to lie if one is capable of bearing the loss. Amir ul-Mu’minīn ‘Ali (a.s.) says,

        “The sign of belief is that one speaks the truth even if it causes loss and refrains from a lie even if it is beneficial (to lie).”35

        If one is compelled he must limit himself to Toriya
        Another important point is that in situations where the Mujtahids have permitted Toriya it is best not to use falsehood, but limit oneself to Toriya only.

        Reconcile two believing people by using falsehood
        Imam Ja’far as-Sadiq (a.s.) said:

        “Speech is of Three types, truth, falsehood and reconciling people.”

        Someone asked, “May my life be sacrificed for you. What is, ‘reconciling people’?”

        Imam (a.s.) replied:

        “You hear someone speaking ill about somebody but you tell the other person that the former was saying good things about you.”36

        Conveying a message of ill will
        Infact one is ordered to resort to lies if by doing so, one can bring about reconcillation between two people. One who brings about such reconciliation shall not be termed a liar. Because if the message of ill will is communicated from one to other, it will only increase enmity between the two.

        In the same way if a husband and wife have separated and divorce is about to take place, one is allowed to speak a lie if it can bring about a reunion. For example the husband could be told, “Your wife is very much troubled by the separation. She has such intense feelings for you that she may fall ill.” Or the wife may be told similar things so that they may reunite.

        Reconciliation among people
        The Holy Prophet (S) has said,

        “After the fulfillment of Wajib acts, the best action is to bring about peace and reconciliation among people. This is such an act that spreads goodness in the world.”

        Amir ul-Mu’minīn ‘Ali (a.s.) said that the Holy Prophet (S) has said at the time of recording his will and testament.

        “O ‘Ali, Allah even likes a falsehood for the sake of peace and dislikes truth that spreads corruption.”37

        The Holy Prophet (S) has also said,

        “To make peace among people and to think about reconciling people, and removing discord is better than prayers and fasting.”

        Abu Hanifa Saeq Al Haj says, “There was an inheritance dispute between my son-in-law and me. Our dispute was in process when the agent of Imam as-Sadiq (a.s.), Mufazzal happened to pass by. He stopped to listen for a while then returned to his house. He then gave us four hundred dirhams and solved the dispute.

        Then he said, ‘The money that I gave you was not mine. It belonged to my master Imam Ja’far as-Sadiq (a.s.). He had ordered me to solve the disputes among his followers through this money.’”

        This shows the importance of peace and reconciliation. The Holy Prophet (S) has also stated that it was better than prayers and fasting, even though this action is Mustahab (recommended) whereas the former are Wajib (Obligatory). The reason for this could be that due to prayers and fasting an individual is reformed. Whereas the peacemaker reforms the whole society and consequently prayers and fasting also become popular among the people. Unity among the Muslims is not only beneficial for the Hereafter, it is very much needed from the worldly point of view also. When the hearts of the believers unite for the sake of Allah (S.w.T.), such a power is achieved that not only the apparent enemies can be faced but even the hidden enemies, i.e. “the self” and “shaitan”, can be easily deflected.

        Kur water and the united hearts
        The unity and understanding among the people could be compared to Kur38 water. If water is divided by putting it in different vessels and each of them is less then a kur, then whenever impurity (Najasat) falls into one of them, it makes that water Najis (impure). But if all the water is collected in one place and it becomes more than a kur and if an impurity falls into it, it does not make the kur water Najis. On the contrary the kur water is capable of purifying the impurity of a Najis object. Exactly, in the same way when the people unite together, the divine mercy descends upon them and each one benefits by it. Secondly due to the unity among the Muslims they will be held in high esteem by people of different faiths.

        Another example is the merits of congregational prayers and its great rewards. It is very much recommended to behave kindly towards the believing brother, to help him and support him. Similarly it is highly meritorious to visit the believers, to shake hands with them and to hug them. These actions carry great benefits. To make peace between two believers qualifies one to untold rewards. Similarly it is mentioned that to befriend a believer for the sake of Allah (S.w.T.) carries tremendous rewards. After examining the rewards for all of the above actions one concludes that all such actions have been promulgated for maintaining the unity among believers.

        Falsehood in the battle-field
        It is known from some traditions that during a war with unbelievers, it is permissible to use falsehood, if by doing so, victory can be gained over them.

        Promise to a wife
        A man can give a promise to his wife even if he does not intend to fulfill it, a man can give a false promise to fulfill his wife’s desire, if he thinks that his refusal will cause dispute and discord in the family, or make his wife extremely unhappy. Obviously such falsehood is also permissible under compelling conditions when a man fears that refusing to promise may lead to an extreme situation like divorce.

        However, whether such a promise is permitted or not is difficult to confirm. Some weak traditions do state that such a false promise is allowed. For example if a wife asks for something, her husband can give her a false promise.

        Fear of retribution and good deeds
        Hazrat ‘Ali Ibn Abi Talib (a.s.) says:

        “Avoid lying! For when one desires something he strives for it and when one fears something he strives to keep it away from himself.”39

        Imam ‘Ali (a.s.) explains the above tradition as follows: If one sincerely desires the pleasure of Allah (S.w.T.) one must strive for it and one of the ways of doing so is by refraining from lies. Falsehood is a forbidden act causing extreme displeasure of Allah (S.w.T.). In the same way if one really fears divine retribution, one must keep aloof from sins, for sins incur punishment. If a person merely claims that he hopes for divine rewards and fears divine punishment, but does not perform good deeds nor refrain from sins, he is a liar.

        The following saying of Amir ul-Mu’minīn ‘Ali (a.s.) is recorded in Nahjul Balagha:

        “One who thinks that he hopes (in divine rewards) but his actions do not express it, then by Allah, he is a liar. For when he hopes for something it becomes apparent from his actions.

        But if he hopes in Allah and his actions do not show it? In the same way when one is afraid of something his actions express this (fear) and he flees from that thing. Then after claiming to be fearful of divine punishment why does he not flee from sins?”

        Thus if a person who claims to be fearful of Allah (S.w.T.) and hopeful of divine rewards, but whose actions do not confirm his claim, is considered a liar. In the same way a person who claims to have the traits of patience, thankfulness, contentment and resignation etc. which are not shown in his behaviour is also a liar.

        Your speech must conform to your thoughts
        Hazrat Imam Ja’far as-Sadiq (a.s.) says,

        “Whenever you say ‘Allahu Akbar’ (Allah is the greatest) you must consider everything between the earth and the sky to be lesser than Allah. Because when Allah sees that a person say Allaho-Akbar only superficially, He says, ‘O liar! You try to be smart with Me? By My Might and Honour I shall deprive you of My remembrance.’”

        It is regretful that people verbally say, ‘Allahu Akbar’ but their actions belie their words. For if they are told to do something for the sake of Allah (S.w.T.) or to refrain from something for the sake of Allah (S.w.T.) they do not pay any heed, but if a monetary fine is due for any disobedience, they are sure to respond. Thus money has importance for them than Allah (S.w.T.)’s pleasure or displeasure. There are people who perform particular actions or restrain from them only due to fear of harm by fellow humans. If they are told to do so only due to the fear of Allah (S.w.T.), they will not be impressed.

        A show of submission
        A person who says to Allah (S.w.T.), ‘Thee only do we worship and Thee only we ask for help’, but his actions are such that day and night he is involved in the acquisition of wealth and is preoccupied in the satisfaction of carnal desires. Can we consider this man to be truthful? Does this man really worship Allah (S.w.T.)?

        In the same way many a man puts his trust and faith in the apparent agencies through which he gets his profit and gain. He regards these as the deciding authorities and seeks their help, overlooks the fact that these means themselves are through Allah (S.w.T.)’s grace. Can such a person be truthful when he says “Thee only do we worship and Thee only we ask for help?”

        Falsehood in supplications
        Oftentime people supplicate with the following words, “I am pleased with my Lord and Cherisher, He the sole cherisher of all the creatures. I am satisfied with Him.”

        But if the situation changes and these people are faced with distressing circumtances, they do not hesitate to complain about what Allah (S.w.T.) has decreed for them. In such a case the above-mentioned supplication amounts to lying.

        Confession of Belief in the Imams (a.s.)
        The supplication, “I am pleased that Muhammad (S) is my Prophet; and Qur’an is my Book and ‘Ali is my Imam; and all of them are for my guidance,” will also be a lie when uttered by a person who does not practice the tenets of Islam as explained by our Ahl ul-Bayt (a.s.) and behaves according to his own whims and fancy.

        Do you speak the truth?
        A man prays, “(O Allah (S.w.T.)) when I look at my sins, I weep and when I see Your mercy and forgiveness I become hopeful and happy in anticipation that You will forgive me,” but when faced with temptations, he makes no serious effort to restrain himself and commits sinful acts without any qualms. The falsehood of such a person is clear.

        In the same way if a person says, “I weep due to (the fear of) the agony of death, due to the fear of questioning of the grave, due to the fear of Qiyāma,” while in reality he is not fearful of any of these, his falsehood is obvious. It could be this very kind of falsehood that is referred to in Du’a Abu Hamza Thumali of Imam Zayn ul-’Abidīn (a.s.):

        “O Allah! May be You have found me in the position of a liar and for this (You have taken away your mercy from me) left me on my own condition.”

        Lying to the Imams (a.s.)
        An example of lying to the Imams (a.s.) is that of a person who recites the Ziarat and says, “(O Imams) I accept your sayings and act upon your commands and obey you,” but who does not do so in reality. In fact he obeys his own desires. Such a person is a hypocrite! He is lying to the Imams (a.s.).

        Another example of such a falsehood is when he says in Ziarat, “We make peace with those who are at peace with you and we make war with those who are at war with you.” Even though he verbally claims this, in actual practice he is friendly with the enemies of Islam. Also, he is inimical to the believers. He also claims, “I keep aloof from your opponents,” but does not act upon it. Isn’t such a person lying to the Imams (a.s.)?

        Then how should we pray?
        A question arises here that if by reciting a Du’a or Ziarat, if one is bound to utter lies, then how should one pray?

        Although a detailed reply to this is beyond the scope of this book, we can say in brief that the manner of praying denounced by us is when the supplicant invokes Allah (S.w.T.), the Holy Prophet (S) and the Imam (a.s.), but he takes his supplication lightly and makes no sincere effort to better himself.

        However, a believer should not feel that since it is not possible to avoid falsehood in prayers it is better not to pray. This is despair of Allah (S.w.T.)’s mercy and a satanic instigation to keep the believer away from the divine rewards. What one should do is to pray sincerely and to achieve perfection in a gradual manner and Allah (S.w.T.) will surely help such a person in achieving this ultimate aim.

        A person either understands the meanings of duas and Qur’anic verses (as those quoted above) or not. Even if one recites them without following the actual meaning, the duas and Qur’anic verses will illuminate his heart by their light. He will also be eligible for the divine rewards.

        Every person has a different position
        With respect to knowledge and piety our Ma’sūmīn (a.s.) occupy the highest position. Amongst the believers there is a wide spectrum of people capable of different levels of understanding and piety, but none can reach the stage of Ma’sūmīn (a.s.). All believers succumb to their desires and selfish motives to a greater or lesser extent. Consequently they fall prey to sins and disobey Allah (S.w.T.). This is inevitable. This situation is aptly described in the following words of Du’a Abu Hamza Thumali.

        “O Allah! I did not sin due to disbelief in You, nor did I sin considering Your command insignificant or thinking that your punishment is light. But I sinned due to the instigation of my selfish desires and due to pride…”

        The believers can comfort themselves that they are not really lying when they do not rise up to the level expected in the supplication they utter. They can also comfort themselves that they are believers because they fear Allah (S.w.T.) and repose their hope in Allah (S.w.T.), as the Holy Qur’an says:

        “And fear (only) Me if you are believers. ” (Surah Āli-‘ Imrān 3:175)

        Firm conviction and disobedience
        Even though the belief in Allah (S.w.T.) and the fear of His retribution is present in man, he is still prone to sins. It is not that one who believes in Allah (S.w.T.) cannot sin. For example, who does not know that a dead body cannot cause any harm? Everyone firmly believes in it. Yet how many people can stay alone with a corpse at night? Here a firm belief is unable to rid the man of his fear of the dead. Even a firm belief cannot guarantee one’s actions. It is for this reason that we recite in Du’a, “Bestow upon me such a firm conviction that I can worship you with sincerity.” There is no doubt that if one prays to Allah (S.w.T.) out of intense fear; which would restrains him from committing sins, Allah (S.w.T.) will surely create such a fear in his heart.

        Also the magnitude of his fear increases along with the increase in grades of piety and obedience which he achieves due to constant efforts.

        It has been mentioned in the traditions:

        “Whoever desires something and strives for it, finds it.”

        Truly! Being absolutely truthful seems possible only for the Ma’sūmīn (a.s.). As the Holy Qur’an states,

        “And be with the Truthful Ones!” (Surah at-Tawba 9:119)

        The “Truthful Ones” referred to in this ayat are the Ahul Bayt (a.s.).

        1. Wasa’il ul-Shia
        2. Mustadrak ul-Wasa’il
        3. Mustadrak ul-Wasa’il
        4. Mustadrak ul-Wasa’il
        5. Usūl al-Kāfi
        6. Mustadrak ul-Wasa’il
        7. al-Kāfi
        8. al-Kāfi
        9. Mustadrak ul-Wasa’il
        10. Mustadrak ul-Wasa’il
        11. Mustadrak ul-Wasa’il
        12. Mustadrak ul-Wasa’il
        13. Wasa’il ul-Shia
        14. Mustadrak ul-Wasa’il
        15. Wasa’il ul-Shia
        16. al-Kāfi
        17. Mustadrak ul-Wasa’il
        18. Wasa’il ul-Shia
        19. Uyūn al-Akhbār ar-Riďa
        20. al-Kāfi
        21. al-Kāfi
        22. al-Kāfi
        23. Wasa’il ul-Shia
        24. Kashful Muhajja
        25. Nahjul Balagha
        26. Wasa’il ul-Shia
        27. al-Kāfi
        28. al-Kāfi
        29. Wasa’il ul-Shia
        30. Wasa’il ul-Shia
        31. Khisāl
        32. Safinat’ul-Bihār
        33. Bihār al-Anwār
        34. Wasa’il ul-Shia
        35. Nahjul Balagha
        36. Wasa’il ul-Shia
        37. Wasa’il ul-Shia
        38. ‘Kur’ is 377 litres. According to Islamic Practical Law if the quantity of water is more than a kur and if it comes in contact with a najis thing, it is not considered najis unless its colour, or its smell, or its taste has changed
        39. al-Kāfi

        Now what I have just posted should compliment a fuller understanding of the topic of “lying” (or Taqiyya) in Islam.

  32. Salimisslim

    In your supposed-to-be-short lengthy reply you stated the following: “But if you have never been exposed to Taqiyya, then you have been ignorant or uninformed of the teachings of Islam for a long time.” If so, then there is no real Muslim in this planet, because more than 80 % of the “ignorant” and “uninformed” Muslims (other than the Shia) haven’t heard about this word before. In this case you are the one along with the fanatic extremists like KKK, LRA, the Crusades, Colonialimse, KKK, NLFT, NSCN, the Army of God, CSA, Zealotry, Covenant of the Zealots, the Kingdom of Israel Group, Gush Emunim Underground, Kechet, Bat Ayin Underground, Lehava ….. who appear to have “a fuller understanding of” the word “Taqiyya”or “Toriye” or whatever. In this case too, you are the one who practice this hiding and deceiving technique in order to deceive people from facts and truth by devising and spreading half-truths and bold-faced lies.

    I am really amazed by – to use your own words- the “misquoted, adulterated, dissimulated” and “cherry-pick” partial quotes you constantly provide. You seem to use the strategy of Joseph Goebbels (Hitler’s propagandist): “If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself.” Actually, Gobbels appears as an apprentice to you.

    Another cunning strategy, in which you are skillful, is constantly cite a flood of out-of-context, cherry-pick partial and distorted quotes, and present them to your debators as facts and truth, knowing in advance that it’s impossible for them to check the authenticity of and address each quote apart and try to refute them.

    You know pretty well that the quotes you provided (of which I doubt the authenticity) are from the Shia sources. There is no quote from the Sunni sources. For your information, and as I mentioned before in my previous reply, the principle of “Taqiyya” is Shi’ite in origin. The word means “prudence”, “carefulsness” or “wariness” and in Shi’it Islam it came to have the sense of hiding one’s true beliefs in a time of duress or persecution.

    But why do you focus on what you think is “deceit”, “lying” and “terror” in Islam and neglect that in other religions and cultures? What about the Jewish, Christian and other culture’s version of “Taqiyya” of which I mentioned some excerpts in my previous reply ?! You said nothing about it, not a single word.

    1. Lying in war is a well-known tactic. In fact, “War is deceit” is one of the oldest military principles in history. It is found in none other than ”The Art of War” by Sun Tzu, a Chinese strategist from the Sixth Century B.C. This book is the oldest military treatise in the world. In Part I, principle No. 18 says: All warfare is based on deception..

    This book forms the foundation of modern military thinking, and is listed in the United States Marine Corps Professional Reading Program. The book is required reading for CIA officers, and recommended reading for all U.S. military intelligence personnel. The book is required to be stocked in every major military library.

    Not only did Sun Tzu write of deception in warfare, but Italian Renaissance thinker Niccolo Machiavelli wrote: “Though fraud in other activities may be detestable, in the management of war it is laudable and glorious, and he who overcomes the enemy by fraud is as much to be praised as he who does by force.”

    2. In recent times, during World War II, there was a military operation called “Operation Fortitude.” It was a disinformation campaign to deceive the Germans about the Normandy invasion: “Fortitude” was the codename given to the decoy (or disinformation) mission mounted by the Allies to deceive the Germans about the date and above all the place of the landings…[The Germans] had to be made to think that a whole group of [Allied] armies was present in Kent, opposite the Pas-de-Calais…….. Fortitude succeeded beyond anyone’s wildest dreams.

    3. During the Gulf War, the US army successfully deceived the Iraqis regarding disposition of allied ground forces.

    4. The Menorah: A Monthly Magazine for the Jewish Home expounds:

    Deception in war…is legitimate according to Jewish law. Joshua used stratagem in capturing the city of Ai (Josh. viii), and the same was copied against Bejamin (Jud. xx). Ehud ben Gera killed Eglon, King of Moab, by disguise and deceit (Jud. iii., 20-22)…In our own times Gen. Fred Funston devised an artful plan to entrap Emilio Aguinaldo. Such deceit, however, is recommended in order to avoid needless bloodshed and hasten peace

    5. Rabbi Telushkin says the same in his book entitled A Code of Jewish Ethics, and even indicates that assassinations by stealth are permitted according to the Bible: “During a war, one may deceive enemies. The Bible relates how Ya’el, a Kenite woman, invited the fleeing Canaanite general Sisera into her tent: “Turn aside, my Lord, turn aside to me; have no fear,” she told him, before lulling Sisera to sleep and then killing him…The prophetess Deborah praised Ya’el for her deception of Sisera (Judges 5:24-26; see also Judges 4:17-21) …In short, in the proper circumstances, deception is not only tolerated, but applauded”

    6. The British and Foreign Evangelical Review says of Ya’el and Sisera: “That there was treachery, is admitted on all hands. The whole question resolves itself into this: Did Sisera deserve to be treacherously dealt with? Was Jael [Ya’el] justified in taking the advantage of him [as] she did? …If the deceptions of war we noticed just now [in the Bible] are not immoral, then we regard Jael’s act as morally defensible…She must use stratagem to kill him.”

    7. In a section entitled When Deceptions becomes Legitimate, The British and Foreign Evangelical Review writes: “Again, we find in the conquest that the Israelites were directed [by God] to practise certain deceptions upon their enemies…The moral aspect of these cases of deception on the part of God…[are justified by the] general understanding that in such circumstances “everything is fair” that can secure an advantage…There is no moral delinquency, therefore, in denying the whole truth to men, that is, in practising deception upon them, when it is understood that deception is part of the risk of war.”

    8. Christian professor Dr. Michael Heiser concurs that the “act of deception” and even “outright lie” is tolerated in war, even “HOLY war.” In a post entitled “Does God lie,” Prof. Heiser says that God uses deception, and even argues that Jesus himself used deception: “We know that there are specific statements asserting very clearly that God does not tell lies (e.g., Num. 23:19, Titus 1:2). However, God does use deception. Some of you no doubt will want to define lying so that it includes deception, but that is not only unwise, it puts you (and God) in a theological pickle…Why did Jesus demand deception (withholding the truth) on occasion? Why is that permissible?”

    How about THE JEWISH TALMUD, the “Holy Writ” for the Jews?!!!

    The Talmud supercedes the Old Testament in authority for the Jews. And the Talmud is the most racist, hate-mongering , blasphemous book the world has ever known.
    The Talmud was written in Hebrew between the 3rd & 6th Centuries as a codification of the so-called Oral Law that the Jewish rabbis claim was handed down from Moses.
    But the Messiah Jesus censored the “Oral Law” when He said, “By the traditions of your elders you make void the Word of God.” (St Matthew 15).
    The English translation of the Talmud has been watered down so as to conceal from the Gentiles the verses contained in the original Hebrew.

    * “If a ‘goy’ (Gentile) hits a Jew he must be killed.” (Sanhedrin 58b)
    * “If a Jew finds an object lost by a ‘goy’ it does not have to be returned.” (Baba Mezia 24a)
    * “If a Jew murders a ‘goy’ there will be no death penalty.” (Sanhedrin 57a)
    * What a Jew steals from a ‘goy’ he may keep.” (Sanhedrin 57a)

    HATRED TOWARDS THE GENTILES

    * “The ‘goyim’ are not humans. They are beasts.” (Baba Mezia 114b)
    * “If you eat with a ‘goy’ it is the same as eating with a dog.” (Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b)
    * “Even the best of the ‘goyim’ should all be killed.” (Soferim 15)
    * “Sexual intercourse between the ‘goyim’ is like intercourse between animals.” (Sanhedrin 74b)
    * “When it comes to a Gentile in peace times, one may harm him indirectly, for instance, by removing a ladder after he had fallen into a crevice.” (Shulkan Arukh, Yoreh De ‘ah, 158, Hebrew Edition only)

    BLASPHEMIES AGAINST JESUS CHRIST, THE VIRGIN MARY,
    & ALL CHRISTIANS

    * “‘Yashu’ (derogatory for ‘Jesus’) is in Hell being boiled in hot excrement.” (Gittin 57a)
    [’Yashu’ is an acronym for the Jewish curse, ‘May his (Jesus) name be wiped out forevermore.’]
    * Yashu (Jesus) was sexually immoral and worshipped a brick.” (Sanhedrin 107b)
    * “Yashu (Jesus) was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness and refused to repent.” (Sotah 47a)
    * “Miriam the hairdresser had sex with many men.” (Shabbath 104b, Hebrew Edition only)
    * “She who was the descendant of princes and governors (the virgin Mary) played the harlot with carpenters.” (Sanhedrin 106a)
    * “Christians who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations.” (Rosh Hashanah 17a)

    The USA and Israel state terrorism

    Robert Fisk, from The Independent, writes: “Israel and Israel’s militia allies (on 16 September 1982) started their three-day orgy of rape, knifing and murder in the Palestinian refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila that cost 1,800 lives. It followed an Israeli invasion of Lebanon designed to drive the PLO (Palestine Liberation Organisation) out of the country and given the green light [by the United States] which cost the lives of 17,500 Lebanese and Palestinians, almost all of them civilians.”

    According to Professor Noam Chomsky, “It’s uncontroversial that the United States is a leading terrorist state. In fact, it’s the only state that was condemned for international terrorism by the highest bodies: the International Court of Justice in 1986.”

    Similarly, “The horrific massacre of 8,000 Muslims – some unarmed – at Srebrenica in 1995 never led to a stream of pieces about the violence and repressive tendencies of Christianity.” – William Dalrymple, The Independent UK.

    “The carnage wrought by Western, ostensibly Christian, leaders over the last six decades – including a world war and a cold war, a Holocaust, two atomic bombs, repression of wars of independence, the fuelling of proxy wars, nuclear brinksmanship, and the support of dictators and state and non-state terrorists – makes it spurious to view Islam as a more inherently violent religion or civilisation.” – Rama Mani (Geneva Centre for Security Policy)

    There are many other examples of both Jewish and Christian terrorism, however, we must never generalise and call all Christians and Jews terrorists or practicing deceit to pursue a goal. Similarly, we should not put all Muslims on trial but only those that committed the crime should be judged.

  33. mbplee

    salimisslim, I am glad to observe that you are one of a very few Muslims who has read outside of Islamic literature in an attempt to justify the Islamic ideology. For that, I commend you. But unfortunately in your zeal to support Islam you have taken a very narrow and biased view of the true facts. You are totally confused between “Religious Doctrines” and that of “political Philosophy.” [One is the Commands of god, and the other are of civil military strategy.]

    Sun Tzu(512 BC), and Machiavelli (1469-1527) were strictly political philosophers and were not pronouncing religious doctrine.
    Muhammad, “War is treachery” was pronouncing religious doctrine, ideology of Allah.

    You said,
    “There are many other examples of both Jewish and Christian terrorism, however, we must never generalise and call all Christians and Jews terrorists or practicing deceit to pursue a goal. Similarly, we should not put all Muslims on trial but only those that committed the crime should be judged.”

    Again, we must not confuse political wars with religious wars. You said,
    ““The carnage wrought by Western, ostensibly Christian, leaders over the last six decades – including a world war and a cold war, a Holocaust, two atomic bombs, repression of wars of independence, the fuelling of proxy wars, nuclear brinksmanship, and the support of dictators and state and non-state terrorists – makes it spurious to view Islam as a more inherently violent religion or civilisation.” – Rama Mani (Geneva Centre for Security Policy)”

    Most of the wars you mentioned in the above paragraph were “political wars” not religious or Holy Wars. All Muslim wars have been and are “religious Holy wars.” That is the difference that most Muslims cannot get their heads around.

    The trouble is of all the Muslims I have encountered, ALL of them have always found justification for all acts of war or terrorism, but have never reflected on the possibility that they could be wrong. That is because they believe that:

    “Ash hadu an laa ilaaha illallaah, wa ash hadu anna Muhammadan rasool-ullaah (I bear witness that there is no god worthy of worship except Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah)”

    This makes Islam “Totally Exclusive and Supremacist.”

    But if you were to study the origins of Allah, you will find that Allah has been largely based on the myths of the Hebrew and Christian God which in turn based they beliefs on the mythical religious beliefs of the Babylonians, Mesopotamians and early Egyptians.
    Is a god, based upon ancient mythology any more credible than the idols and gods of Hinduism, or Taoism? I know that in your eyes I am approaching the boundaries of blasphemy, but do your research and you will find much truth in my hypothesis.

    • kaici

      mbplee you are atheist ….i respect your choice …be respectful and let people practicing their religion…..we ARE MUSLIMS AND PROUD ….islam is a religion of peace and love and tolerance ..all you said is wrong ..even you are not convinced …just one word to prove you that our religion is universal religion …el hamdoulillah rabi el alamine…allah is god of universe and we say it five times a day….that why all you said is wrong ….allah is not god for muslims only …..we are muslims and we know our religion …you are just inspired by tjose wahabists of saudi arabia ..sorry for you they are wrong like you……so be respectful ..stay atheist…i stay muslim

      • mbplee

        kaici, I am surprised that your still believe in the myth that, “we ARE MUSLIMS AND PROUD ….islam is a religion of peace and love and tolerance” which is of course totally false.

        “From a sociological standpoint, this is perhaps THE most widely propagated myth about Islam. For decades, Islam has put across to Westerners a peaceful, loving front. This false view of Islam has been spread all the more aggressively since the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. Muslim leaders in the United States and other Western nations had to push their efforts at hiding Islam’s true nature into high gear, trying to counterbalance the impact that was made by the sight of Palestinians and other Muslims (some in this very nation) cheering and celebrating the destruction of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Unfortunately, many theologically liberal and compromising people in most of the mainline Christian denominations have gone right along with these attempts at whitewashing Islam’s image, either out of blind ignorance or unthinking sympathy for Mohammed’s religion. Even in many traditionally conservative Protestant churches, pastors have invited false teachers from Islam to present that religion to their congregants, and the image given is invariably that of a peaceful, loving, tender-hearted faith whose members are absolutely appalled at the violence committed by “a few fringe radicals”.

        I have personally witnessed this sort of bald-faced lying done in the name of Islam. On November 11, 2001, I attended a panel presentation on the campus of the University of North Carolina, in Chapel Hill, during which the several panel members each had the opportunity to take 15 minutes and give their thoughts on the events and responses to the September 11 attacks. One of the speakers was a Muslim imam from a local mosque in Durham. Naturally, he took twice as much time as was allotted for him, and did not even address the topic of discussion. Instead, he spent 30 minutes ranting and raving about how peaceful and loving Islam was, and how Islam respects people of other religions. This lying deceiver even went so far as to say that he would be morally obligated to stop a person from defacing or vandalizing a Christian church. In short, his entire diatribe was one giant lie, yet much of the (mostly leftist) crowd ate up every word of it like it was gospel truth. This response demonstrated the desperate need for education about Islam in this nation. Not education in Islam, but education about Islam, so that the majority of the population in Western societies who know little to nothing about the religion can learn the truth about it, instead of being fed sugar-coated lies from Islamic leaders and propagandists. People in the West need to know that the image of Islam as a violent, intolerant, wicked religion is in fact true, and growing more so every day.

        So, to ask the question frankly: Is Islam peaceful or violent? To answer equally as frankly: It is violent. It is a religion which was born out of violence, propagated through violence, and which is still accustomed to violence even today. This can clearly be seen by examining the teachings and record of Islam. These are the two primary means by which to judge the character of a religion on some question. You look at the established, recognized, plainly understood teachings of that religion from its holy texts, and then you look at the manner and methodology by which those most faithful to that religion carry out their obedience to their belief system. So let us apply this test to the Muslim faith.

        Though violence towards those of other faiths is certainly not unknown among other of the world’s religions, Islam goes further than the other religious systems of the world in that its holy texts command and commend religiously-motivated violence against unbelievers. It is not just a matter of tolerating it or of turning a blind eye. Rather, the Qur’an and the ahadith support and encourage the faithful to press violent jihad against non-Muslims.

        Violence From the Qur’an

        What does Islam teach as far as violence is concerned? Looking at the Qur’an, we see that quite a lot is said about this subject. Muslim apologists will often point to Surah 2:190-193 as proof that Islam teaches only defensive warfare, but eschews offense.

        “Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they first fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression.”
        These verses, it is said, admonish Muslims only to fight against those who oppress or persecute Muslims, and only until the offenders have stopped oppressing Muslims. However, there is a catch to all this. The Qur’an also teaches for Muslims to enter into exile in lands where Islam is not the dominant force, and to stir up trouble, so that this persecution will come as the natives in those lands protect the integrity of their sovereignty and civilization.

        “Those who believed, and adopted exile, and fought for the Faith, with their property and their persons, in the cause of Allah, as well as those who gave them asylum and aid,- these are all friends and protectors, one of another. As to those who believed but came not into exile, ye owe no duty of protection to them until they come into exile; but if they seek your aid in religion, it is your duty to help them, except against a people with whom ye have a treaty of mutual alliance. And remember Allah seeth all that ye do. The Unbelievers are protectors, one of another: Unless ye do this, protect each other, there would be tumult and oppression on earth, and great mischief.” (Surah 8:72-73)
        In this passage, “adopted exile” is translated from the root form hjr, which has as its primary meaning the ideas of containment or confinement, and can carry the connotation of being quarantined or compartmentalized. The specific context refers to those Muslims (known as muhajirun) who had left Mecca during the early part of Mohammed’s ministry, when the Muslims were coming under persecution, and fled to Medina. There, they joined with Medinan believers (ansari), eventually gathering enough power to be able to conquer Mecca. This exile, however, doesn’t have to be in a friendly land. These verses can be understood through an extended application to be encouraging Muslims to adopt exile in a foreign land and voluntarily confine themselves in a non-Muslim society. Then, eschew assimilating into the culture and way of life of the host country, and instead agitate for Islam. When opposition arises, they join together and give aid and fight for Allah against the unbelievers, since voilà, persecution has arisen! Hence, what is touted as a defensive doctrine is in reality carried out in an offensive manner.

        This interpretation is not merely theoretical. We can, in fact, see it being applied today in European countries that have become the hosts to large numbers of Muslim immigrants from North Africa, Turkey, and the Indian subcontinent. It is common for Muslims in these countries to cause trouble, whether through crime or through more organized forms of disorder, and they will not assimilate to the cultural norms and modes of their host countries. When the Europeans defend themselves, or even criticize what is being done by these “guests”, the Muslims use this as an excuse to claim persecution and respond violently, often supported by their fellow Muslims in the Islamic world. Sweden has seen an epidemic of sexual assaults upon native-born Swedish women in what is being called the “rape jihad”, yet the fault for this behavior always seems to be blamed on the Swedes themselves, for their “racism” and “Islamophobia”. In France in the winter of 2005, two Muslim criminals who were fleeing from the police took refuge in an electrical substation and were electrocuted. The country was subsequently wracked by weeks of riots and arson by its large Muslim population, because the deaths of these two youths were “obviously” the fault of the racist, Islamophobic French police for trying to bring them to justice, and not the fault of the Muslim fugitives themselves for committing crimes. In Britain, the Bishop of Rochester complained that certain areas in British cities were virtual “no go” zones for non-Muslims. For pointing this out, the bishop has received numerous death threats, and Muslim commentators issue dire, thinly-veiled threats of “what might happen” if British society continues to be so racist and Islamophobic. Most recently, in Germany, a Moroccan immigrant attempted to rob a 20-year old German, and was killed when the German (rightly) defended himself. As a result, Muslims in Germany have used this opportunity to condemn the racist, Islamophobic German society and to threaten violence and rioting, rather than condemning one of their own who attempted to commit a violent crime. These are just four examples of a much wider pattern of behavior exhibited by Muslim immigrants to European countries – failure to assimilate, the formation of religious enclaves that are actively hostile to the surrounding native populations, criminality and welfare exploitation, followed by threatened or actual violence and civil strife when the Muslims are “offended” by the native Europeans actually defending themselves. This is all shielded by cries of “racism” and “Islamophobia” that are designed to generate sympathy and the fear of lawsuits or legal prosecution by left-leaning governments against those who challenge this state of affairs.

        In addition to this roundabout method, there are numerous other, more straight-forward passages in the Qur’an that exhort the followers of Mohammed to war:

        “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.” (Surah 9:5)
        This passage is found in a portion of the Qur’an dealing with the making and breaking of treaties with pagans (i.e. unbelievers). In context, it is condoned for Muslims to break treaties with pagans if it is to their advantage to do so, unless those pagans have been completely faithful in the discharge of their treaty obligations. But, after the terms of the treaty are met (the forbidden months are past), Muslims are commanded to make war. The historical context is that in ancient times, both in Arabia and elsewhere, treaties were most often made for specific periods of time. During that time period, both parties were expected to be completely faithful in the discharge of their obligations under the terms of the treaty. After the treaty term had ended, all bets were off. Groups that had been allies for a period of time might then turn on each other in the most vicious manner after the treaty time ended, without any loss of honor for either side. In our context, the Qur’an tells Muslims that pagan or unbelieving groups with whom they do not currently have a treaty are open to the prosecution of offensive war. The particular treaty that lies at the heart of this passage was merely temporary, lasting four months, and was interpreted, as we will see, by later Islamic scholars as nullifying any other treaties between Muslims and infidels – which would essentially mean that NO treaties are now to be considered binding. Indeed, as can be seen through the Islamic notion of hudna, radical Muslims do not feel themselves bound to respect any pact which they might sign with non-Muslims, and will break such agreements as soon as they feel it is to their advantage to do so.

        Likewise, in Surah 9:73, Mohammed is commanded to press hard war against unbelievers,

        “O Prophet! strive hard against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.”
        Also,

        “O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him). ” (Surah 9:123, Pickthal translation)
        “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” (Surah 9:29)

        Each of these verses, in context, is dealing with waging offensive war against unbelievers for the purpose of spreading Islam. As with the previous verses which we saw, Muslims will often try to claim that these verses promote defensive warfare only, and that offensive war to propagate Islam is not quranical. They say this in the hopes that their audience, most likely non-Muslims, will not be conversant in the Qur’an, and hence will be unaware of the contextual environment in which these verses appear, nor with the history of interpretation pertaining to these verses. A straight-forward reading of the appropriate suwar and surrounding passages using a little common sense will contextually demonstrate the offensive nature of these verses to the unbiased reader.”

      • kaici

        no its to easy to criticize islam inspiring by false hadiths .and some verses that you don’t want to understand that they appears in different circomstances in times of our prophet .you inspired also from some false haditjs of el bukhari and some fetwas especially wahabists
        let me tell you once again that islam is a religion of peace ,love and tolerance ..look aroud you ..who are victims of barbarians crimes? muslims .the last bomb was exploded in mecca NOT IN VATICAN ..so if they were muslims tell me why they killed muslims like them and blast mosquees in syria and irak ? are they infidels like you write ? no at all 0they are believers and muslims .so try to answer to that situation ..emir abdelkader an algerian muslim hero saved christians in syria persecuted by muslims ..in second world war muslims hide jews from shoah and gave them false papers in paris mosquee and they are many events in history that prove the greatest of our religion
        there is much more but i will end it here

  34. mbplee

    kaici, you Muslims condemn idol worshippers and those who do not believe in a creator, yet you blithely worships a “myth” and believe that you are superior in your intellect and belief. But is worshipping a myth any more superior to worshipping idols or being a non-believer? You live in a similar fantasy and you are just as gullible as the others.

    “The Pagan Roots of Allah

    by Fesenjoon2
    25-Sep-2012

    In spite of the prevalent mainstream description of Allah, there continues to exist a somewhat controversial of Islam, put forth by some scholars and a number of Christian groups [1][2][3], in which it is claimed that the Islamic deity Allah has pre-Islamic pagan roots stemming from local mythology. According to this “popular”[4] view, the chief deity of pre-Islamic Mecca “was the moon-god called al-ilah (meaning the god or the idol), which was shortened to Allah in pre-Islamic times”.[5]

    One line of this argument has been publicized in recent times by the author/pastor Robert Morey in his book ”The moon-god Allah in the archeology of the Middle East”. Morey, who cites among other references a 1950s era archeological excavation in Hazor, Israel, argues that the same name of God of Islam, Arabic ”Allah”, was an epithet of Hubal in pre-Islamic Mecca.

    As such, the lunar calendar is also claimed to be a result of this origination.[6-7] Islamic scholars have of course rejected these claims,[8] some even calling them “insulting”.[9] And there certainly have been valid points to be made in this regard. For example, while the crecent symbol seen in flags and other Islamic emblems have claimed to be a result of the Moon-God origin of Islam’s deity by some sources[10-13], muslim scholars contend that The Crescent and Star did not become symbols to the Muslims until the 12th century when “it was adopted by the Turks”, 700 years after the birth of Islam.[14]

    Nevertheless, “Allah” was known to pre-Islamic Arabia as it was one of the Meccan deities.[15-16] Mohammed’s father (Abd-allah), for example, had Allah as part of his name.[17] Arthur Jeffrey for example states[18]:

    “The name Allah, as the Quran itself is witness, was well known in pre-Islamic Arabia. Indeed, both it and its feminine form, Allat, are found not infrequently among the theophorous names in inscriptions from North Arabia”.

    Wellhausen also viewed “Allah (al-ilah, the god)” to be “a form of abstraction” originating from Mecca’s local gods[19], and other scholars such as Frederick Victor Winnett also mention Allah and Allat to have roots in Moon and Sun deities.[20]

    The Moon-God deity of pre-Islam is also not without precedence[21], as has been documented by scholars such as Green et al.[22] Indeed, lunar deities have been well documented in pre-Islamic urban centers such as Harran, Sumer, Babylon, and Ur, which served as “the chief seat of the lunar deity known as Nannar or Sin.”[23] As such, it is argued that “Allah” has it’s origins in the Sumerian God ”Ilah”:

    “Allah [al-ilah] himself was ancient – a thousand years before Mohammed the Persians wrote ‘Allah is exalted’ – but he was only one of many deities.”[24]

    Still, some authors have contended that the Islamic deity “is derived from Semitic El, and originally applied to the moon; [which] seems to have been preceded by Ilmaqah, the moon god.”[25] Others have made the direct connection between the two:

    “The god Il or Ilah was originally a phase of the Moon God, but early in Arabian history the name became a general term for god, and it was this name that the Hebrews used prominently in their personal names, such as Emanuel, Israel, etc., rather than the Bapal of the northern semites proper, which was the Sun. Similarly, under Mohammed’s tutelage, the relatively anonymous Ilah became Al-Ilah, The God, or Allâh, the Supreme Being.”[26]

    and Alfred Guillaume has noted that Ilah was a name applied to the moon-god among some Pre-Islamic Arabian tribes, and that certain scholars believe that Ilah in pre-Islamic Arabia was a title of the moon god:

    “The oldest name for God used in the Semitic world consists of but two letters, the consonant ‘l’ preceded by a smooth breathing, which was pronounced ‘Il’ in ancient Babylonia, ‘El’ in ancient Israel. The relation of this name, which in Babylonia and Assyria became a generic term simply meaning ‘god’, to the Arabian Ilah familiar to us in the form Allah, which is compounded of al, the definite article, and Ilah by eliding the vowel ‘i’, is not clear. Some scholars trace the name to the South Arabian Ilah, a title of the Moon god, but this is a matter of antiquarian interest…it is clear from Nabataean and other inscriptions that Allah meant ‘the god’.”[27]”

    There is much more but I will end it here.

  35. mbplee

    kaici. this in in reply to your post of July 6th. You said.

    “.who are victims of barbarians crimes? muslims .the last bomb was exploded in mecca NOT IN VATICAN ..so if they were muslims tell me why they killed muslims like them and blast mosquees in syria and irak ? are they infidels like you write ? no at all 0they are believers and muslims .so try to answer to that situation ”

    If you understand Muslims and Islam, the answer is quite simple. Muslims are so arrogant that only their own beliefs are right and all others are wrong. Hence if you are wrong you are not one of them you are an infidel even if you are a Sunni or Shia.

    “Sunni Muslims argue their interpretation of Islam follows the ways of Mohammed (the Sunnah), Shias claim Ali was the rightful first caliph and only his descendants could claim to be the true leaders of Muslims.

    Both sides claim to be the one “pure” branch of Islam.”

    So if one side is “pure” (True Islam) the other side must be “impure” or infidel and hence the enemy and should be killed. I am surprised that you as a Muslim have not been able to see that. So if one Muslim sect sees another Muslim sect as impure and should be killed, how much more is the justification to kill those who do not ever recognise Allah as their god? This shows the rigidity of Islamic beliefs and their inflexibility, and their lack of compassion or love, or tolerance of anything but the true orthodox fundamentalist Islam. The rift between Sunni and Shia has existed since the time of the death of Muhammad, 1400 years ago, and will no doubt continue so long as Islam exists. Such is the love and peace that is exemplified in Islam. Please no matter how you may try to window dress Islam, history speaks for itself.

    • Salimisslim

      Mbplee, as I already said before, you still use the same tactics: Flooding us with overwhelmingly half-truths and lies about Islam covered in a vague blanket of references and sorces which scarcely have academic basis, in order to deceive people in believing that moslims are bad and evil. You know quite well that it’s impossible for the readers to examine all this false flood of information, but you keep doing it to trick your audience to eventually buy into all that “Islam-is-bad” nonesens stuff.

      So, in order to defend and justify terrorism, deceit and lying practiced by advocators of the New World Order and Order of Created Choas , Zionists and Evangelist zionists, you draw a difference between what you consider to be political or religious terror and deceit. As if wars and deceit used by this Masonic destructive bigots (so-calle politically ignited wars) are good and therefore acceptable, whereas wars triggered by religious motives are bad and therefore rejectable. While all wars are the same and are unjustifiable.

      In your cherry-picked and deceitful approach, you commented on only 2 excerpts of the quotes I cited in my post above, but you ignored all the rest (more than 20 quotes) to suit your absurd and wierd arguments which state that it is ok to wage political deceitful wars but not ok to engage in religious ones. It’s also permissable and even desirable for Jews and Christians to lie in certain circumstances, but absolutely not for Muslims. This is called bold-faced and double-standards hypocrisy! Our Prophet Muhammad, (peace be upon him) warned us in this regard of the hypocrites, when he said that among the signs of the hypocrite is when he speaks, he lies: “The signs of a hypocrite are three: Whenever he speaks, he tells a lie; and whenever he promises, he breaks his promise; and whenever he is entrusted, he betrays (proves to be dishonest)”. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 73, Number 117)”

      So no more dodging and lying, and let’s talk about the “Taqiyya” (or the deceptive wars and lying as you claim to mean) practiced by (Zionist) Christians, Jews and other extremist and fanatic individuals and groups.

      1. The Menorah: A Monthly Magazine for the Jewish Home expounds:
      Deception in war…is legitimate according to Jewish law. Joshua used stratagem in capturing the city of Ai (Josh. viii), and the same was copied against Bejamin (Jud. xx). Ehud ben Gera killed Eglon, King of Moab, by disguise and deceit (Jud. iii., 20-22)…In our own times Gen. Fred Funston devised an artful plan to entrap Emilio Aguinaldo. Such deceit, however, is recommended in order to avoid needless bloodshed and hasten peace

      2. Rabbi Telushkin says the same in his book entitled A Code of Jewish Ethics, and even indicates that assassinations by stealth are permitted according to the Bible: “During a war, one may deceive enemies. The Bible relates how Ya’el, a Kenite woman, invited the fleeing Canaanite general Sisera into her tent: “Turn aside, my Lord, turn aside to me; have no fear,” she told him, before lulling Sisera to sleep and then killing him…The prophetess Deborah praised Ya’el for her deception of Sisera (Judges 5:24-26; see also Judges 4:17-21) …In short, in the proper circumstances, deception is not only tolerated, but applauded”

      3. The British and Foreign Evangelical Review says of Ya’el and Sisera: “That there was treachery, is admitted on all hands. The whole question resolves itself into this: Did Sisera deserve to be treacherously dealt with? Was Jael [Ya’el] justified in taking the advantage of him [as] she did? …If the deceptions of war we noticed just now [in the Bible] are not immoral, then we regard Jael’s act as morally defensible…She must use stratagem to kill him.”

      4. In a section entitled When Deceptions becomes Legitimate, The British and Foreign Evangelical Review writes: “Again, we find in the conquest that the Israelites were directed [by God] to practise certain deceptions upon their enemies…The moral aspect of these cases of deception on the part of God…[are justified by the] general understanding that in such circumstances “everything is fair” that can secure an advantage…There is no moral delinquency, therefore, in denying the whole truth to men, that is, in practising deception upon them, when it is understood that deception is part of the risk of war.”

      5. Christian professor Dr. Michael Heiser concurs that the “act of deception” and even “outright lie” is tolerated in war, even “HOLY war.” In a post entitled “Does God lie,” Prof. Heiser says that God uses deception, and even argues that Jesus himself used deception: “We know that there are specific statements asserting very clearly that God does not tell lies (e.g., Num. 23:19, Titus 1:2). However, God does use deception. Some of you no doubt will want to define lying so that it includes deception, but that is not only unwise, it puts you (and God) in a theological pickle…Why did Jesus demand deception (withholding the truth) on occasion? Why is that permissible?”

      6. GOD Almighty MADE PEOPLE LIE lin the Bible, beyond their wills:
      * Bible defines “Lying Spirits by GOD” to mean GOD MAKES YOU LIE; you have no will (2 Samuel 12:7-12). David’s wives were even made prostitutes as a punishment for David’s adultery-sin.
      * Made to be prostitutes by GOD: In 2 Samuel 12:7-12, King David’s wives were turned into ***** prostitutes by GOD Almighty as a punishment for David’s sins with Bathsheba. This means that GOD Almighty can create custom Laws for punishment even if they fully contradict GOD Almighty’s Moral Code on morality and chastity. Also, seduction and RAPING of virgins isn’t a physically punishable crime in the Bible. (See Deuteronomy 22:25-29).

      7. Thou shalt not LIE, but yet, GOD Almighty supposedly detailed for Samuel how to trick & tell HALF TRUTH to Saul:
      Samuel’s trip wasn’t primarily for sacrificing to the LORD. It was to a rub oil on the next king of Israel. But because it was life threatening to Samuel, GOD Almighty allowed for Samuel to trick Saul (1 Samuel 16:1-13).

      7. The Bible permitted lying for the sake of spreading the Faith:
      Paul permitted lying in Romans 3:1-8 &Philippians 1:15-18:
      * Paul in admitted that he lied or that he might resort to lying for the sake of spreading GOD Almighty’s Truth

      8.Did Jesus here practice Taqiya (as it is claimed by mbplee to mean deceit and lying)?
      Jews Jesus Christ did say that he wasn’t going to the festival, but he then shortly after went up there anyway, not publically but in secret, for fear of being killed by the jews.. (John 7:1-13).

      How about THE JEWISH TALMUD, the “Holy Writ” for the Jews?!!!

      STEALING and MURDERING a GOY (a non-Jew) is permissable:
      9. * “If a ‘goy’ (Gentile) hits a Jew he must be killed.” (Sanhedrin 58b)
      10. * “If a Jew finds an object lost by a ‘goy’ it does not have to be returned.” (Baba Mezia 24a)
      11. * “If a Jew murders a ‘goy’ there will be no death penalty.” (Sanhedrin 57a)
      12. * What a Jew steals from a ‘goy’ he may keep.” (Sanhedrin 57a)

      HATRED TOWARDS THE GENTILES (Non-Jews):
      13. * “The ‘goyim’ are not humans. They are beasts.” (Baba Mezia 114b)
      14. * “If you eat with a ‘goy’ it is the same as eating with a dog.” (Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b)
      15. * “Even the best of the ‘goyim’ should all be killed.” (Soferim 15)
      16. * “Sexual intercourse between the ‘goyim’ is like intercourse between animals.” (Sanhedrin 74b)
      17. * “When it comes to a Gentile in peace times, one may harm him indirectly, for instance, by removing a ladder after he had fallen into a crevice.” (Shulkan Arukh, Yoreh De ‘ah, 158, Hebrew Edition only)

      BLASPHEMIES AGAINST JESUS CHRIST, THE VIRGIN MARY,
      & ALL CHRISTIANS
      18. * “‘Yashu’ (derogatory for ‘Jesus’) is in Hell being boiled in hot excrement.” (Gittin 57a) [’Yashu’ is an acronym for the Jewish curse, ‘May his (Jesus) name be wiped out forevermore.’]
      19. * Yashu (Jesus) was sexually immoral and worshipped a brick.” (Sanhedrin 107b)
      20. * “Yashu (Jesus) was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness and refused to repent.” (Sotah 47a)
      21.* “Miriam the hairdresser had sex with many men.” (Shabbath 104b, Hebrew Edition only)
      22. * “She who was the descendant of princes and governors (the virgin Mary) played the harlot with carpenters.” (Sanhedrin 106a)
      23. * “Christians who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations.” (Rosh Hashanah 17a)

      CRIMES OF WAR
      24. Robert Fisk, from The Independent, writes: “Israel and Israel’s militia allies (on 16 September 1982) started their three-day orgy of rape, knifing and murder in the Palestinian refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila that cost 1,800 lives. It followed an Israeli invasion of Lebanon designed to drive the PLO (Palestine Liberation Organisation) out of the country and given the green light [by the United States] which cost the lives of 17,500 Lebanese and Palestinians, almost all of them civilians.”

      25. “The horrific massacre of 8,000 Muslims – some unarmed – at Srebrenica in 1995 never led to a stream of pieces about the violence and repressive tendencies of Christianity.” – William Dalrymple, The Independent UK.

      26. The Tenth Crusade wars waged by the big liars BUSH and Blair.

      The list about TERRORISM, LIES and DECPTION in the Bible and Talmud as well as the Western war crimes and war criminals is beyond the scope of this reply, but if you want more information in order to have a fuller understanding, then I’ll be glad to provide it to you.

      • mbplee

        Salimissim, said:
        “as I already said before, you still use the same tactics: Flooding us with overwhelmingly half-truths and lies about Islam covered in a vague blanket of references and sorces which scarcely have academic basis, in order to deceive people in believing that moslims are bad and evil. You know quite well that it’s impossible for the readers to examine all this false flood of information, but you keep doing it to trick your audience to eventually buy into all that “Islam-is-bad” nonesens stuff.

        So, in order to defend and justify terrorism, deceit and lying practiced by advocators of the New World Order and Order of Created Choas , Zionists and Evangelist zionists, you draw a difference between what you consider to be political or religious terror and deceit. As if wars and deceit used by this Masonic destructive bigots (so-calle politically ignited wars) are good and therefore acceptable, whereas wars triggered by religious motives are bad and therefore rejectable. While all wars are the same and are unjustifiable.”

        Salimissim, it is not I who is putting out half-truths, but it is you (Muslims) who are unwilling to see the truth. It is not I who is trying to deceive but you9Muslims) who are blind to the truth and historical facts. Yet. Muslims keep on telling me that it is a major sin to tell a lie. Let me quote the following and see if you can deny it. Islam (Muslims) have been practicing Islamic Jihad for the past 1400 years and have not abated and have thus killed thousands upon thousands of lives.

        “Legacy of the religion of peace

        As shown above, violent jihad and its proponents are threatening the West as you read this. How many of those threats are credible and how many are empty bravado is anyone’s guess, but some fraction are real. Islamic jihad is killing people around the world – a toll that is being added to every week.

        This rage against civilization is nothing new. The first thousand years of Islamic jihad took far more lives than the 9/11 attacks and spread far greater terror. Early Muslims systematically killed huge portions of their non-Islamic neighbors, and their jihadi warriors pushed far north in an attempt to convert or eradicate much of Europe. Jihad was then, as it is now, primarily a product of Islamic theology – not a reaction against American policies, George Bush, western decadence, or anything else. The West may have its share of vice and shortcomings, but it was centuries of Islamic jihad that provoked that violent defensive thrust from Europe referred to as the First Crusade.

        The history of Islamic jihad which led up to the First Crusade is briefly summarized below. Scan the timeline if just to ask yourself if or at what point YOU would have ordered a defensive strike:

        622 Muhammad and approximately 75 to 200 followers are driven out of Mecca by persecution. They are invited to take refuge in the farming community of Medina, and arrive on September 24, 622. For multiple reasons, Muhammad and his Muhajirun establish a religious syndicate. Resistance to recognize Muhammad’s religious authority is perhaps for the first recorded time met with violence.

        623 Muhammad adopts the legitimized Bedouin practice of raiding and killing and takes to ambushing caravans. Raiding attacks at Waddam, Safwan, and Dul-‘Ashir take place.

        624 A vast annual merchant convoy of great value is headed from Mecca to Syria. It is supported by many troops, well aware of Muhammad’s reputation by this time. In March of 624, Muhammad successfully ambushes it at Badr. His strategy of overcoming superior numbers is credited to shrewd tactics and, perhaps for the first time, the promise of heavenly orgies and wealth for all who die while fighting for him. The financial blow to Mecca is significant; the newfound wealth to Muhammad and the Muhajirun more so.

        624 Attacks are made upon Bani Salim, Eid-ul-Fitr, Zakat-ul-Fitr, Bani Qainuqa, Sawiq, Ghatfan, and Bahran.

        625 Attacks made at Uhud, Humra-ul-Asad, Banu Nudair, and Dhatur-Riqa.

        626 Attacks at Badru-Ukhra, Dumatul-Jandal, and Banu Mustalaqq Nikah.

        627 Battle of the Trench (where Muhammad is significantly wounded). Additional battles fought at Ahzab, Bani Quraiza, Bani Lahyan, Ghaiba, and Khaibar.

        628 Unable to attain victory over the Quarish of Mecca, Muhammad signs the Al-Hudaybiyya – a ten year peace treaty.

        630 Eighteen months after signing the agreed upon ceasefire, Muhammad marshals his forces outside Mecca. During the Holy Truce months he surprise attacks and conquers Quarish forces. His violation of the peace treaty is celebrated as the first “hudna”.

        630 Two years before Muhammad’s death of a fever, he launches the Tabuk Crusades, in which he led 30,000 jihadists against the Byzantine Christians. He had heard a report that a huge army had amassed to attack Arabia, but the report turned out to be a false rumor. The Byzantine army never materialized.

        He turned around and went home, but not before extracting “agreements” from northern tribes. They could enjoy the “privilege” of living under Islamic “protection” (read: not be attacked by Islam), if they paid a tax. This tax sets the stage for Muhammad’s and the later Caliphs’ policies. If the attacked city or region did not want to convert to Islam, then they paid a jizya tax. If they converted, then they paid a zakat tax. Either way, money flowed back to the Islamic treasury in Arabia or to the local Muslim governor.

        632-634 Under the Caliphate of Abu Bakr, the Muslim Crusaders reconquer and sometimes conquer for the first time the polytheists of Arabia. These Arab polytheists had to convert to Islam or die. They did not have the choice of remaining in their faith and paying a tax.

        633 The Muslim Crusaders, led by Khalid al-Walid, a superior but bloodthirsty military commander, whom Muhammad nicknamed the Sword of Allah for his ferocity in battle (Tabari, 8:158 / 1616-17), conquer the city of Ullays along the Euphrates River (in today’s Iraq). Khalid captures and beheads so many that a nearby canal, into which the blood flowed, was called Blood Canal (Tabari 11:24 / 2034-35).

        633 Additional attacks at Oman, Hadramaut, Kazima, Walaja, Ulleis, and Anbar.

        634 At the Battle of Yarmuk in Syria the Muslim Crusaders defeat the Byzantines. Today Osama bin Laden draws inspiration from the defeat, and especially from an anecdote about Khalid al-Walid… Osama bin Laden quotes Khalid and says that his fighters love death more than we in the West love life.

        634 Additional attacks on Basra, Damascus, Ajnadin, Namaraq, and Saqatia. Around 4,000 Jewish, Christian, and Samaritan peasants are executed from Gaza to Cesarea. Muslim chronicler Baladhuri would later record in the ninth century that 40,000 Jews had successfully been destroyed in Cesarea by his day.

        634 Abu Bakr calls for a war against infidels.

        634-644 The Caliphate of Umar ibn al-Khattab, who is regarded as particularly brutal.

        635 Muslim Crusaders besiege and finally conquer Damascus. Additional battles of Bridge, Buwaib, and Fahl.

        636 Muslim Crusaders defeat Byzantines decisively at Battle of Yarmuk.

        637 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iraq at the Battle of al-Qadisiyyah (some date it in 635 or 636).

        638 Defeating Roman forces, Muslim Crusaders conquer and annex Jerusalem, taking it from the Byzantines.

        638-650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iran, except along Caspian Sea.

        639 Thousands die from starvation in and around Constantinople due to ravaged and burned fields by Islamic raiders.

        639-642 Muslim Crusaders conquer Egyptian forces.

        641 Muslim Crusaders control Syria and Palestine.

        642 Battle of Ravy in Persia.

        643 Conquest of Azarbaijan.

        643-707 Muslim Crusaders conquer North Africa.

        644 Caliph Umar is assassinated by a Persian prisoner of war; Uthman ibn Affan is elected third Caliph, who is regarded by many Muslims as gentler than Umar.

        644-650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Cyprus, Tripoli in North Africa, and establish Islamic rule in Iran, Afghanistan, and Sind.

        648 Byzantine campaign begins.

        656 Caliph Uthman is assassinated by disgruntled Muslim soldiers; Ali ibn Abi Talib, son-in-law and cousin to Muhammad, who married the prophet’s daughter Fatima through his first wife Khadija, is set up as Caliph.

        656 Battle of the Camel, in which Aisha, Muhammad’s wife, leads a rebellion against Ali for not avenging Uthman’s assassination. Ali’s partisans win.

        657 Battle of Siffin between Ali and Muslim governor of Jerusalem, arbitration goes against Ali.

        658 Battle of Nahrawan.

        659 Egypt finally falls to Islamic crusaders.

        661 Murder of Ali by an extremist; Ali’s supporters acclaim his son Hasan as next Caliph, but he comes to an agreement with Muawiyyah I and retires to Medina.

        661-680 the Caliphate of Muawiyyah I. He founds Umayyid dynasty and moves capital from Medina to Damascus

        673-678 Arabs besiege Constantinople, capital of Byzantine Empire

        680 Massacre of Hussein (Muhammad’s grandson), his family, and his supporters in Karbala, Iraq.

        685 During the Caliphate of of Abd-al-Malik, Christian farmers of the Negev and Samaria are driven out. Pillaged and abandoned, the farms go desolate.

        687 Battle of Kufa.

        691 Dome of the Rock is completed in Jerusalem, six decades after Muhammad’s death.

        700-720 Abd al-Malik singles out Christians for forced conversion to Islam or death – often by crucifixion.

        705 Abd al-Malik restores Umayyad rule.

        710-713 Muslim Crusaders conquer the lower Indus Valley.

        711-713 Muslim Crusaders conquer Spain and impose the kingdom of Andalus. Also invade Gibraltar.

        713 Conquest of Multan.

        716 Invasion of Constantinople.

        719 Cordova, Spain, becomes seat of Arab governorship.

        732 The Muslim Crusaders are stopped at the Battle of Poitiers; that is, Franks (France) halt Arab advance. The Battle of Tours.

        741 The Battle of Bagdoura in North Africa.

        746 The Battle of Rupar Thutha.

        768 The Battle of Ravy.

        749 The Abbasids conquer Kufah and overthrow Umayyids.

        750 The Battle of Zab.

        756 Foundation of Umayyid emirate in Cordova, Spain, setting up an independent kingdom from Abbasids.

        762 Foundation of Baghdad

        772 Caliph al-Mansur visits Jerusalem and orders an identifying mark be stamped on the hands of all Christians and Jews.

        777 The Battle of Saragossa in Spain.

        785 Foundation of the Great Mosque of Cordova

        786-809 During the Caliphate of Harun al-Rashid, Christians and Jews are ordered to wear yellow identification patches on their clothing. Eventually yellow would be used to signify “Jew” and blue used to identify “Christian”. Neither Jews nor Christians were allowed to wear green – green was reserved for use by Muslims only.

        789 Rise of Idrisid emirs (Muslim Crusaders) in Morocco; foundation of Fez; Christoforos, a Muslim who converted to Christianity, is executed.

        800 Autonomous Aghlabid dynasty (Muslim Crusaders) in Tunisia.

        807 Caliph Harun al-Rashid orders the destruction of non-Muslim prayer houses and of the Church of Mary Magdalene in Jerusalem.

        809 Aghlabids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Sardinia, Italy.

        813 Christians in Palestine are attacked; many flee the country.

        831 Muslim Crusaders capture of Palermo, Italy; raids in Southern Italy.

        847-861 Under Caliph al-Mutawakkil, once again Christians and Jews are required to wear the blue and yellow patches, respectively.

        850 Caliph al-Matawakkil orders the destruction of non-Muslim houses of prayer, and orders Christians and Jews to attach wooden devils to the doors of their homes.

        855 Revolt of the Christians of Hims (Syria)

        837-901 Aghlabids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Sicily, raid Corsica, Italy, France.

        869-883 Revolt of black slaves in Iraq.

        909 Rise of the Fatimid Caliphate in Tunisia; these Muslim Crusaders occupy Sicily, Sardinia.

        928-969 Byzantine military revival, they retake old territories, such as Cyprus (964) and Tarsus (969).

        937 The Ikhshid, a particularly harsh Muslim ruler, writes to Emperor Romanus, boasting of his control over the holy places.

        937 The Church of the Resurrection (known as Church of Holy Sepulcher in Latin West) is burned down by Muslims; more churches in Jerusalem are attacked .

        960 Conversion of Qarakhanid Turks to Islam

        966 Anti-Christian riots in Jerusalem

        969 Fatimids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Egypt and found Cairo.

        970 Seljuks enter conquered Islamic territories from the East.

        973 Israel and southern Syria are again conquered by the Fatimids.

        998-1030 The seventeen Indian campaigns of Mahmud of Ghazna.

        1003 First persecutions by al-Hakim; the Church of St. Mark in Fustat, Egypt, is destroyed.

        1009 Looting and destruction of the Church of the Resurrection by al-Hakim (see 937). Also included removing the physical foundation of the building and the adjacent cemetery.

        1012 Beginning of al-Hakim’s oppressive decrees against Jews and Christians. Decrees like having to wear black turbans, Christians having to wear a cross around their necks the length of a cubit and five “ratl”s in weight, Jews having to wear a wooden calf around their necks of the same weight,…

        1015 Earthquake in Palestine; the dome of the Dome of the Rock collapses.

        1031 Collapse of Umayyid Caliphate and establishment of 15 minor independent dynasties throughout Muslim Andalus

        1048 Reconstruction of the Church of the Resurrection completed

        1050 Creation of Almoravid (Muslim Crusaders) movement in Mauretania; Almoravids (also known as Murabitun) are coalition of western Saharan Berbers; followers of Islam, focusing on the Qur’an, the Hadith, and Maliki law.

        1055 Seljuk Prince Tughrul enters Baghdad, consolidation of the Seljuk Sultanate.

        1055 Confiscation of property of Church of the Resurrection

        1066 An Arab mob seizes the vizier of Granada, Spain, Joseph HaNaid, and crucifies him. Muslims massacre the city’s Jewish quarter that night, December 30 – an approximate 5,000 murdered.

        1071 Battle of Manzikert, Seljuk Turks (Muslim Crusaders) defeat Byzantines and occupy much of Anatolia.

        1071 Turks (Muslim Crusaders) invade Palestine.

        1073 Conquest of Jerusalem by Turks (Muslim Crusaders)

        1075 Seljuks (Muslim Crusaders) capture Nicea (Iznik) and make it their capital in Anatolia.

        1076 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) (see 1050) conquer western Ghana.

        1077 Atsiz b. Awaq marches on Jerusalem promising to give them quarter. They open the gates to him whereby his forces slaughter 3,000. Awaq proceeds to repeat variants of this successful feint at Ramla, Gaza, al-‘Arish, Damascus, and Jaffa.

        1085 Toledo is taken back by Christian armies.

        1086 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) (see 1050) send help to Andalus, Battle of Zallaca.

        1090-1091 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) occupy all of Andalus except Saragossa and Balearic Islands.

        1094 Byzantine Emperor Alexius Comnenus I asks western Christendom for help against Seljuk invasions of his territory; Seljuks are Muslim Turkish family of eastern origins; see 970.

        1095 Pope Urban II preaches the first Crusade; composed largely of civilian volunteers, the initial thrust is utterly slaughtered. A second attempt by government soldiers captures Jerusalem in 1099. (Come the 20th century, all the aforementioned provocations would be forgotten by many, and this year misremembered as the year Christianity went on a senseless killing spree.)

        1165 Jews in Yemen forced into converting to Islam or killed.

        1275 Jews in Morroco forced into converting to Islam or killed.

        1333 Jews in Baghdad forced into converting to Islam or killed.

        1453 The conquest of Constantinople.

        1465 Fez – Arab mobs attempt to purge all their resident Jews, leaving only 11 out of thousands.

        1678 Jews in Yemen again forced into converting to Islam or killed.

        1683 About the time a nervous King Louis XIV of France was cutting a deal with Ottoman empire Sultan Mehmet IV, Polish hussars led by King Jan Sobieski led a devastating attack against the Sultan’s superior forces at the gates of Vienna. It was so successful and so shocked the Muslim army that this September 12 battle saw the last Turkish siege of Vienna and the turning point in the thousand year armed expansion of Islam. The Ottoman empire’s northern borders would only shrink from here on.

        1785 Ali Burzi Pahsa attempts to purge Libya of Jews.

        1790-1792 Jews in Morroco forced into converting to Islam or killed.

        1804-1817 Conquest of West Africa by Uthman dan Fodio.

        1805 Muslims of Algiers massacre Jews.

        1815 Muslims of Algiers massacre Jews.

        1830 Muslims of Algiers massacre Jews.

        1864-1880 Three hundred Jews killed in Marrakesh, Morocco.

        1894 Ottoman Turks massacre over 200,000 Christian Armenians.

        1915 An additional 600,000 to 800,000 Armenians massacred by the Islamic government and their property seized for protesting sharia law in their country.”

        The above are facts, not half-truths. Until you can alter the Quran to say that they above are all sinful acts and not a part of Quranic Jihad, Islam is an Aggressive, Totalitarian Supremacist Theocratic Cult.
        Accept it, the history of Islam is Holy Jihad from the time Muhammad practice “racial cleansing of Jews” in Medina 1400 years ago. Islamic hatred of the Jews and Christians is “RECORDED IN THE QURAN FOR ALL TO READ.” Until Islamic scholars will acknowledge that the Quran is actually a man made manual of hatred and supremacy against all non-Muslims and make an effort to change their doctrines to fit in with 21st Century civilisation, there will never be peace in Islam.

  36. Salimisslim

    mbplee said:

    “I have spent the last 20 years making an UNBAISD comparative evaluation of Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Taoism, and Atheism WITHOUT PREJUDICE. I have delved at great lengths into the original origins of religions and cultures of peoples of this world.”

    The same misleading flood of information full of deception and lies. “Unbaisd comparative evaluation”???!!!! Honestly? What a joke??? No one who read through your posts would buy it anyway. Your arguments and so-called “facts” are anything except “UNBIASD” or “WITHOUT PREJUDICE”.

    First of all, in your list of the supposedly historical “facts”, no source is mentioned. The only sources upon which you keep drawing your claims are the anti-Muslim bigots, such as the extremist Jewish Zionist Pamela Geller and the fervent, zealous Catholic polemicist Robert Spence.

    Second, words and phrases such as “Muslim crusaders”, “bloodthirsty military commander” (referring to Khalid Ibn al-Walid), “brutal” Umar ibn al-Khattab, “ravaged and burned fields by Islamic raiders”, “murdered”, “slaughtered” by Muslims, along with bold-faced half-truths and lies such as Mohammed’s “violation of the peace treaty”, “These Arab polytheists had to convert to Islam or die”, “Khalid captures and beheads so many that a nearby canal, into which the blood flowed, was called Blood Canal”, “Jews in Yemen”/”Morocco”/”Bagdad” “forced into converting to Islam or killed” and the like stems from a deep-seated prejudice and hatred of Islam and Muslims.

    Third, the so-called facts are nothing but a subjective, distorted, preducied and biased account of history that has nothing to do with objective academic studies. You know that what you are propagating here is far from truth, and I know that too. Therefore, it’s up to other Non-Muslim readers and debators to go into Islam and study the source it in its original form (either in Arabic or translated) or read about it carefully and from honest (academic) mainstream sources ONLY, and determine for themselves what the truth is.

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    Ok, enough about your last reply, but what about the bloody and brutal terror triggered by other religions and cultures, mainly Judeo-Christian and Zionist atrocities comitted from the ancient times until now? I talked about that in my previous replies, but you said not a single word about it.

    GENOCIDE in the bible

    In fact, TERRORISM stems from the ancient times about 1200 B.C.E. (1800 before the Islam was resumed and renewd by the prophet Mohammed)

    “There is far more violence in the Bible than in the Qur’an; the idea that Islam imposed itself by the sword is a Western fiction, fabricated during the time of the Crusades when, in fact, it was Western Christians who were fighting brutal holy wars against Islam.”, said Karen Armstrong in this regard.

    Bruce Feiler writes of ancient history that “Jews and Christians who smugly console themselves that Islam is the only violent religion are willfully ignoring their past. Nowhere is the struggle between faith and violence described more vividly, and with more stomach-turning details of ruthlessness, than in the Hebrew Bible

    Some examples:

    What the Quran-bashers don’t want you to know is that the Bible is far more violent than the Quran. In fact, the Bible –unlike the Quran– glorifies GENOCIDE.

    The military conquest of the land of Canaan by the Hebrews in about 1200 B.C.E. is often characterized as “genocide” and has all but become emblematic of biblical violence and intolerance.

    God told Moses:

    “But of the cities of these peoples which the Lord your God gives you as an inheritance, you shall let nothing that breathes remain alive, but you shall utterly destroy them—the Hittite, Amorite, Canaanite, Perizzite, Hivite, and Jebusite—just as the Lord your God has commanded you, lest they teach you to do according to all their abominations which they have done for their gods, and you sin against the Lord your God” (Deut. 20:16-18)

    “So Joshua [Moses’ successor] conquered all the land: the mountain country and the South and the lowland and the wilderness slopes, and all their kings; he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the Lord, God of Israel had commanded.” (Josh. 10:40)

    “Now go, attack the Amalekites and utterly destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.” (1 Samuel 15:1) (Notice it was God Himself who ordered Saul to slaughter the Amalekites)

    “And he [the Lord] sent you on a mission, saying, ‘Go and completely destroy those wicked people, the Amalekites; make war on them until you have wiped them out.” (1 Samuel 15:18)

    “When the men were returning home after David had killed the Philistine, the women came out from all the towns of Israel to meet King Saul with singing and dancing, with joyful songs and with tambourines and lutes. As they danced, they sang: “Saul has slain his thousands, and David his tens of thousands.” (1 Samuel 18:6-7)
    (Saul was stripped of his kingship, which was given to David who was frankly just much better at killing civilians.)

    “The CRUSADES were in fact violent and led to atrocities by the modern world’s standards under the banner of the cross and in the name of Christianity. After breaching the walls of Jerusalem in 1099, for example, the Crusaders reportedly slaughtered almost every inhabitant of the Holy City. According to the medieval chronicle, the Gesta Danorum, “the slaughter was so great that our men waded in blood up to their ankles.” (The Fall of Jerusalem” Gesta Danorum, accessed Apr. 2, 2009)

    One can only imagine the reaction of the Islamophobes–Spencer, Geller, et al. –had the Quran glorified genocide in this way. In fact, they can never cite verses in the Quran that promote, sanction, or justify genocide –because they simply do not exist. Indeed, there are explicit statements of the Prophet Muhammad forbidding the killing of women and children.

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    IN MODERN TIMES

    The USA and Israel STATE TERRORISM

    Robert Fisk, from The Independent, writes: “Israel and Israel’s militia allies (on 16 September 1982) started their three-day orgy of rape, knifing and murder in the Palestinian refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila that cost 1,800 lives. It followed an Israeli invasion of Lebanon designed to drive the PLO (Palestine Liberation Organisation) out of the country and given the green light [by the United States] which cost the lives of 17,500 Lebanese and Palestinians, almost all of them civilians.”

    According to Professor Noam Chomsky, “It’s uncontroversial that the United States is a leading terrorist state. In fact, it’s the only state that was condemned for international terrorism by the highest bodies: the International Court of Justice in 1986.”
    Similarly, “The horrific massacre of 8,000 Muslims – some unarmed – at Srebrenica in 1995 never led to a stream of pieces about the violence and repressive tendencies of Christianity.” – William Dalrymple, The Independent UK.

    “The carnage wrought by Western, ostensibly Christian, leaders over the last six decades – including a world war and a cold war, a Holocaust, two atomic bombs, repression of wars of independence, the fuelling of proxy wars, nuclear brinksmanship, and the support of dictators and state and non-state terrorists – makes it spurious to view Islam as a more inherently violent religion or civilisation.” – Rama Mani (Geneva Centre for Security Policy)

    Robert Fisk, from The Independent, writes: “Israel and Israel’s militia allies (on 16 September 1982) started their three-day orgy of rape, knifing and murder in the Palestinian refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila that cost 1,800 lives. It followed an Israeli invasion of Lebanon designed to drive the PLO (Palestine Liberation Organisation) out of the country and given the green light [by the United States] which cost the lives of 17,500 Lebanese and Palestinians, almost all of them civilians.”

    A practice of the TALMUDIC teachings in modern times

    Israeli rabbi: Israeli soldiers can rape Palestinian women (See more at: http://en.institutomanquehue.org/issues/women-s-issues/israeli-rabbi-soldiers-can-rape-palestinian-women.html#sthash.NWBRkU9w.dpuf)

    Rabbi Yisrael: All Palestinians Must Be Killed, Men, Women, Infants and Beasts (See more at: http://en.institutomanquehue.org/issues/human-rights/yisrael-palestinians-killed-women-men-infants-beasts.html#sthash.Q0eCPWr9.dpuf)

    How US Rabbis & Israel Traffic In Human Organs & Money Laundering (See more at: http://en.institutomanquehue.org/publications/news/rabbis-traffic-human-organs.html#sthash.rcgaSmLX.dpuf)

    APARTHEID ISREALI STATE TERRORIST

    Some Racist statements by main Israeli and Zionist figures

    * “The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more”…. Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time – August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000.

    * ” (The Palestinians are) beasts walking on two legs.” Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, “Begin and the Beasts”. New Statesman, 25 June 1982.

    * “The Palestinians” would be crushed like grasshoppers … heads smashed against the boulders and walls.” ” Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988.

    * “When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle.” Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

    * “How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to.” Golda Maier, March 8, 1969.

    * “There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed.” Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969.

    * “The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war.” Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha’aretz, 19 March 1972.

    * Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : “We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return.” Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. “The old will die and the young will forget.”

    * “We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel… Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours.” Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces – Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.

    * “We must do everything to ensure they (the Palestinian refugees) never do return” David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar’s Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.

    * “We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai.” David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

    * “We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.” Israel Koenig, “The Koenig Memorandum.”

    * “Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist… There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.” Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.

    * “We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?’ Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said ‘Drive them out!'” Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

    * Rabin’s description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet. “We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters” Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion’s special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From “The Arabs in Israel” by Sabri Jiryas.

    * “There are some who believe that the non-Jewish population, even in a high percentage, within our borders will be more effectively under our surveillance; and there are some who believe the contrary, i.e., that it is easier to carry out surveillance over the activities of a neighbor than over those of a tenant. [I] tend to support the latter view and have an additional argument:…the need to sustain the character of the state which will henceforth be Jewish…with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15 percent. I had already reached this fundamental position as early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my diary.” Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency’s Colonization Department. From Israel: an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, p.5.

    * “Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours… Everything we don’t grab will go to them.” Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

    * “It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands.” Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.

    * “Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment… Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly.” Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine,Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.

    * “One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail.” — Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 (Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1).

    * “We will establish ourselves in Palestine whether you like it or not…You can hasten our arrival or you can equally retard it. It is however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive powers being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world.” (Chaim Weizmann, Published in “Judische Rundschau,” No. 4, 1920).

    In light of the above, it is actually the Judeo-Christians who started Terrorism, genocide and crimes against humanity according to the modern standards not Islam. And they are still practicing this horrifying atroceties up to now through some Wrld Order American elites and prominent global Ziontists.

    • mbplee

      salimissim:The reference to “Islam and Jihad” is:
      http://www.provethebible.net/T2-Hist/Islam-10-jihad-1300.htm

      The facts are all there for all to read and for them to decide for themselves. Since you are a devout incorrigible Muslim, there is no point in my posting anything more for you as your mind is closed and rejects anything anyone has to say. All I can say is that you are wrong and you believe in a false doctrine; an Islamic doctrine of supremacy; a Fascist ideology.

  37. Salimisslim

    What a farce! The one with wide knowledge, who claims to have studied Islam and other religions thouroughly, “delved at great lenghts into the origins of religions and cultures”, with a great deal of “experience” and “maturity”, the one who is critical, “unbiased”, “without prejudice”, “travelled and seen much of the world”, and bla, bla, bla, gets some (if not all) of his sources from a site of an Evangelical Christian Zionists, who are notorious for their shameless lies, intense hatred/bigotry and animosity towards Islam and Muslims. In your recomended link, no evidence or source whatsoever is given. Nothing, zip, zilch, nada!!! You probably gave me this link in order to trick others (who know little about Islam) into buying the myths and misconceptions that are put forward by these dubious sites and present them to us as (historical) facts.

    Take for example the following so-called “fact”: “1275 Jews in Morroco forced into converting to Islam or killed.”

    No objective evidence is found which supports this myth. On the contrary, On the Wikipedia on the History of the Jews in Morocco, we read that, generally speaking, Jews were protected and treated well, especially by the rulers at that time.

    “The Marinids proved themselves particularly friendly toward the Jews. When the still-fanatic mobs attacked them in 1275, the Merinid sultan Abu Yusuf Yaqub ibn Abd Al-Haq intervened personally to save them. The sovereigns of this dynasty benevolently received the Jewish ambassadors of the Christian kings of Spain and admitted Jews among their closest courtiers. Of these Jews, Khalifa b. Waqqāsa (Ruqqasa) became steward of the household of the sultan Abu Yaqub Yusuf an-Nasr and his intimate counselor. A victim of palace intrigues, he was put to death in 1302. His nephew, who was also named Khalifa, held the same office and suffered the same fate (1310). However, there were no repercussions against the Moroccan Jews as a result of the execution of their powerful coreligionists. They were the principal factors in the prosperity of the country. The Sahara gold trade, which was of primary importance, and the exchange with the Christian countries were completely under their control.”

    Another so-called fact mentioned by Provethebible.net: “1165 Jews in Yemen forced into converting to Islam or killed.”

    Apart from the above mentioned Evangelist site, Zionist and bigotry sites like http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org, http://www.islam-watch.org, http://www.jdl-uk.orgJewish (Jewish Defence League UK) and the like, I couldn’t find any objective and reliable evidence that bucks up this myth.

    Similarly, I couldn’t find any evidence which supports the (so-called) “fact” that states that in ” 1333 Jews in Baghdad (were) forced into converting to Islam or killed”.

    There are other myths which are presented on Provethebible.net as historical facts. I could carry on giving examples, but those will suffice. I may return to that next time.

    Suffice it to say that these sites acts according to the Talmudic teachings, which, for example, permit the Jews to lie to Non-Jews (gentiles): “Jews may use lies (‘subterfuges’) to circumvent a [Gentile]. (Baba Kamma 113a.)

    If a well educated, and open-minded like you who claims to have studied all religions and cultures, travelled all over the world, believes that religions are nothing but myths and legends, could fall for these so-called “facts”, I (being an “ignorant”, “deceived” and “close-minded” Muslim) absolutely don’t buy that nonsense. As a matter of fact, anyone with a healthy dose of logical thinking and common sense can figure out that those myths can’t be “facts”. If it was true that the Jews in Morocco and Yemen were forced into either converting to Islam or killed, there would have been no single Jew living there. They would have faced the same fate the (converted) Muslims or Moriscos encountered during the Spanish inquisition in 1492: either convert to Christianity, face death or (at a later date) face expulsion. As a result, by 1614 every last Morisco was gone, and Islam disappeared from the Iberian Peninsula once and for all.

    FYI, Jews in Arab and Islamic countries were through history far better off on all levels than in Europe. They were offered a security that was far more assured than anything in Christendom Europe. During the intolerable persecution by Catholics in Spain, many Jews found refuge in North Africa (Morocco) and the Ottoman Empire.

    In one of history’s major examples of state endorsed religious tolerance, Muhammad (ﷺ) drafted the Constitution of Medina (622 C.E.) declaring Jews a protected minority, free to practise their religion.

    “(16) To the Jew who follows us belong help and equality. He shall not be wronged nor shall his enemies be aided.

    (24) The Jews shall contribute to the cost of war so long as they are fighting alongside the believers.

    (25) The Jews of the B. ‘Auf are one community with the believers (the Jews have their religion and the Muslims have theirs), their freedmen and their persons except those who behave unjustly and sinfully, for they hurt but themselves and their families.

    (26-35) The same applies to the Jews of the B. al-Najjar, B. al-Harith, B. Sai ida, B. Jusham, B. al-Aus, B. Tha’laba, and the Jafna, a clan of the Tha‘laba and the B. al-Shutayba. Loyalty is a protection against treachery. The freedmen of Tha ‘laba are as themselves. The close friends of the Jews are as themselves.

    (37) The Jews must bear their expenses and the Muslims their expenses. Each must help the other against anyone who attacks the people of this document. They must seek mutual advice and consultation, and loyalty is a protection against treachery. A man is not liable for his ally’s misdeeds. The wronged must be helped.

    (38) The Jews must pay with the believers so long as war lasts.

    (46) The Jews of al-Aus, their freedmen and themselves have the same standing with the people of this document in purely loyalty from the people of this document. Loyalty is a protection against treachery. He who acquires ought acquires it for himself. God approves of this document.”

    And it is this constitution that inspired many Muslim rulers like Tariq ibn Ziyad (711 C.E.), Bayezid II (1492), King Mohamed V (1941), Ahmad bin Yahya (1934) to do everything in their power to protect their Jewish citizens.

    Compare the above with the brutal and barbarian and treatment of the Palestinians (Muslims and Christians) by Isrealis today.

    One last comment: The site from which you get some of your information, states that unbelievers, regardless of they are good or bad, will end up in hell and muss-murdere go to heaven.
    “If a non-believer dies, and they’re a good person, are they going to hell?
    “Jesus paid the penalty for our sin. The unbeliever’s sin debt still remains. God’s wrath still rests upon such a person regardless of their behavior;”

    “Why can mass-murderers go to heaven, but unbelievers cannot?
    “Murder is horrible, but so is unbelief in light of what God has done for us, in light of the seriousness of sin, and in light of the massive amount of evidence God has provided by which we may believe. The seriousness of unbelief is always difficult to understand until one comes to see unbelief as God sees it. That might not be fully appreciated until one comes to know God personally.”

    In Islam, no body knows for sure if one (believer or unbeliever) will go to hell or paradice. All the reward and punishment lies within God’s hands. But God is just and fair:
    “This, because of that which your hands have sent forth (What you have done on your own); and verily Allah is never unjust unto His creatures.” (8:51)

    “So whoever does an atom’s weight of good will see it. And whoever does an atom’s weight of evil will see it.” (99:7-8)

    All in all, most people on this planet (believer or non-believer) are honest, reasonable and peaceful. It is only a small minority extremists and fanatic bigots who mess up and ruin the whole world. Extremism is the cause number 1 of wars and terror. Extremism is the real threat to world peace and stability.

    By the way, I’m still waiting your comments on the passages and quotes conveying deception, lying, horror, terror and genocide, found in the Bible and Talmud.

    • mbplee

      Salimisslim, Typical. Instead of sticking to the subject and facts, you smear the messenger. Yet you are no more than a liar (taqiyya) and a denier of historical fact with no authority to speak for Islam. You have the credential of a troll. To keep mattes short I quote:

      A consensus Muslim account of the massacre of the Qurayzah has emerged as converyed by classical Muslim scholars of hadith (putative utterances and acts of Muhammad, recorded by pious Muslim transmitters), biographers of Muhammad’s life (especially Ibn Ishaq), jurists, and historians.[2] This narrative is summarized as follows: Alleged to have aided the forces of Muhammad’s enemies in violation of a prior pact, the Qurayzah were subsequently isolated and besieged. Twice the Qurayzah made offers to surrender and depart from their stronghold, leaving behind their land and property. Initially they asked to take one camel load of possessions per person, but when Muhammad refused this request, the Qurayzah asked to be allowed to depart without any property, taking with them only their families. However, Muhammad insisted that the Qurayzah surrender unconditionally and subject themselves to his judgment. Compelled to surrender, the Qurayzah were led to Medina. The men, with their hands pinioned behind their backs, were put in a court, while the women and children were said to have been put into a separate court. A third (and final) appeal for leniency for the Qurayzah was made to Muhammad by their tribal allies the Aus. Muhammad again declined, and instead he appointed as arbiter Sa’d Mu’adh from the Aus, who soon rendered his concise verdict: The men were to be put to death, the women and children sold into slavery, the spoils to be divided among the Muslims.

      Muhammad ratified the judgment stating that Sa’d’s decree was a decree of God pronounced from above the Seven Heavens. Thus some six hundred to nine hundred men from the Qurayzah were led on Muhammad’s order to the Market of Medina. Trenches were dug, and the men were beheaded; their decapitated corpses were buried in the trenches while Muhammad watched. Male youths who had not reached puberty were spared. Women and children were sold into slavery, a number of them being distributed as gifts among Muhammad’s companions. According to Muhammad’s biographer Ibn Ishaq, Muhammad chose one of the Qurayzah women (Rayhana) for himself. The Qurahzah’s property and other possessions (including weapons) were also divided up as additional ‘booty’ among the Muslims. The following details have been chronicled consistently by Muslim sources: The arbiter (Sa’d Mu’adh) was appointed by Muhammad himself; Muhammad observed in person the horrific executions; Muhammad claimed as a wife a woman (Rayhana) previously married to one of the slaughtered Qurayzah tribesmen; the substantial material benefits (i.e. property, receipts from the sale of the enslaved) that accrued to the Muslims as a result of the massacre; the extinction of the Qurayzah.

      Abu Yusuf (d. 798), the prominent Hanafi jurist who advised the Abbasid caliph Harun al-Rashid (d. 809), made the following observations about the Qurayzah massacre in his writings on jihad:

      “Whenever the Muslims besiege an enemy stronghold, establish a treaty with the besieged who agree to surrender on certain conditions that will be decided by a delegate, and this man decides that their soldiers are to be executed and their women and children taken prisoner, this decision is lawful. This was the decision of Sa’ad b., Mu’adh in connection with the Banu Qurayzahh … it is up to the imam to decide what treatment is to meted out to them and he will choose that which is preferable for religion and for Islam. If he esteems that the execution of the fighting men and the enslavement of their women and children is better for Islam and its followers, then he will act thus, emulating the example of Sa’ad b. Mu’adh.”[3]

      As reported by M.J. Kister, al-Mawardi (d. 1072), another eminent Muslim jurist from Baghdad, characterized the slaughter of the Qurayzah as a religious duty incumbent on Muhammad. Kister quotes al-Mawardi as follows: “[I]t was not permitted (for Muhammad) to forgive (in a case of) God’s injunction incumbent upon them; he could only forgive (transgressions) in matters concerning his own person.”[4] The notion that this slaughter was sanctioned by God as revealed to Muhammad was, according to Kister, reflective of “the current (as of 1986) Sunni view about the slaughter of the Banu Qurayzah.”[5]

      W.H.T. Gardiner, also relying exclusively upon Muslim sources characterizing the slaughter of the Qurayza, highlights the pivotal role that Muhammad himself played in orchestrating the overall events:

      “The umpire who gave the fatal decision (Sa’ad) was extravagantly praised by Muhammad. Yet his action was wholly and admittedly due to his lust for personal vengeance on as tribe which had occasioned him a painful wound. In the agony of its treatment he cried out — ‘O God, let not my soul go forth ere thou has cooled my eye from the Bani Quraiza.’ This was the arbiter to whose word the fate of that tribe was given over. His sentiments were well-known to Muhammad, who appointed him. It is perfectly clear from that that their slaughter had been decreed. What makes it clearer still is the assertion of another biographer that Muhammad had refused to treat with the Bani Quraiza at all until they had ‘come down to receive the judgment of the Apostle of God.’ Accordingly, ‘they came down’; in other words put themselves in his power. And only then was the arbitration of Sa’ad proposed and accepted — but not accepted until it had been forced on him by Muhammad; for Sa’ad first declined and tried to make Muhammad take the responsibility, but was told ‘qad amarak Allahu takhuma fihim’ ‘Allah has commanded you to give sentence in their case.’ From every point of view therefore the evidence is simply crushing that Muhammad was the ultimate author of this massacre.”[6]

      In the immediate aftermath of the massacre, the Muslims benefited substantially from the Qurayzah’s assets, which they seized as booty. The land and property acquired helped the Muslims gain their economic independence. The military strength of the Muslim community of Medina grew because of the weapons obtained, and the fact that captured women and children taken as slaves were sold for horses and more weapons, facilitating enlargement of the Muslim armed forces for further conquests. Conversely, the Jewish tribe of the Qurayzah ceased to exist.

      Finally, the Farsi text that borders the original illustration (above and below, but not reproduced on the cover art due to space constraints), apropos of its Persian Shiite context, focuses on the exploits of Ali:

      “Ali, who is the successor of God on the earth, and known to fight with a double edged sword, ordered the warriors to cut off the heads of the nonbelievers. Zobair assisted him in finishing this job. Ali also ordered the distribution of the captives and their property [i.e. the ‘booty’] among the Muslims, in accord with Sa’ad (b. Mu’adh)’s [see above] decision regarding the fate of the defeated Jews [i.e., the Qurayzah]. After the battle [and executions], Ali ordered everyone [of the Muslims] to return home. Sa’ad (b. Mu’adh) who had been very anxious during the battle, was now happy and praised God upon completion of his task. Then [later] they [i.e., the Muslims] celebrated and enjoyed beautiful women.”[7]

      http://www.hirhome.com/islam/art.htm

  38. AlphaRand

    To the person who started this blog,

    Behave yourself and reread Quran and Hadith. An innocent life is an innocent life there is no stray, besides that. You seem to fall into the trap of justfying whatever it is. You are not here to judge, remember what the first verses to Prophet Mohamed say, and then afterwards god said that he had not created humans and deamons except to worship. So refrain from judging others and work on perfecting yourself, since the first struggle is bound to be with yourself.

    Regards,

    • mbplee

      AlphaRand, excellent advice. So why have you placed yourself as a judge?
      AlphaRand, perhaps you do not understand Islam or that your vision is simply out of context? You said,” An innocent life is an innocent life there is no stray, besides that.”
      So why does the Quran say the following?

      *****Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don’t kill them.) 2:191-2
      *****Allah says that you must keep fighting until there is no more persecution and everyone on earth is a Muslim. Then you can stop killing people. 2:193a
      *****But if there are any wrong-doers around after you’ve killed off all the disbelievers, persecutors and aggressors, then you’ll have to kill them too. 2:193b
      Those who fail in their duty to Allah are proud and sinful. They will all go to hell. 2:206
      “But those who keep their duty to Allah will be above them [non-muslims] on the Day of Resurrection.” 2:212
      *****War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216
      *****It’s you and your religion against them and theirs. They won’t stop fighting until they make you a “renegade from your religion” and if they succeed in that so you die in disbelief, Allah will burn you forever in the Fire. 2:217

      AlphaRand, the above quoted verses seem to disagree with your views. Allah deems that “disbelievers” must be corrupt and sinful and thus should be killed. The DISBELIEVERS OF ISLAM therefore CANNOT BE INNOCENT.” IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO COME TO ANY OTHER CONCLUSION.

  39. isha sgou

    it said whoever kills a person نفس in arabic is a soul both muslims and non muslims have a soul, it could have been whoever kills a muslim but NO killing any innocent person is forbbiden by God.

    • mbplee

      isha sgou, Thank you for your comment. It is amply clear that:

      “You are innocent if you are a Muslim,” Choudary tells the BBC. “Then you are innocent in the eyes of God. If you are not a Muslim, then you are guilty of not believing in God.” [Hence you have committed a serious sin and not innocent.] I hope you see this point. It has nothing to do with having or not having a soul.

      • Salimisslim

        “Choudary tells the BBC” !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        Who is Choudary to interpret or not interpret a Quranic verse the way he interprets it. He doesn’t represent any Muslim but himself. He is neither a scholar nor an exegete in order for one to cite him as an authority for the explanation of this verse. Besides, he doesn’t know Arabic or even Islam well enough to take his perverse preaching seriously (see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDHSx0AWND8).

        Choudary and the so-called Al-Baghdadi’s (or Simon Elliot’s) ISIS and other terrorists and terrorist groups are all cut from the same bolt of cloth. They are just recruits of (neoconservative and Evangelic) Zionists and New World Order Satanists waging false-flag operation against Islam and Muslims. They are doing everything possible to make Islam look bad. However, all their wicked plans are in vain: “They want to extinguish God’s [guiding] light with their mouths [utterances]: but God will not allow [this to pass], for He has willed to spread His light in all its fullness, however hateful this may be to all who deny the truth.” (9:32)

      • mbplee

        Salimisslim, as far as I know, Choudary is an Imam and a qualified solicitor. I have followed all his speeches and I have never heard him say anything that has been contrary to the ideology of Islam. But recently, in his frustrations, he has openly supported ISIS and that is where the British authorities have trapped him into suggesting that he is promoting extremism. Choudhary is, still, in my opinion a Muslim who interprets Islam in the orthodox Islamic way. If you disagree, then you must be out of the fold of Islam.

        However, in my opinion, ISIS is an Islamic caliphate, obeying all the teachings and laws of Islam. There is another un-Islamic about ISIS and therefore, according to Muslim values is legally Islamic and not illegal. However, the Western authorities have managed to demonise ISIS but that is a technicality.

  40. umer younis

    Dear, have you read the biography of prophet Muhammad PBUH???
    He never killed a person, not even when there were thousands of justifications.
    What message did he PBUH want to deliver.?
    I believe that if 1.5 billion Muslims agree to your narrative of Qur’an, then you were probably dead by now.
    We Muslims believe in Peace, humanity, equal rights, and Justice for all.
    Who gave women their rights 1400 years ago?
    If you read Qur’an with an open mind, you will even find the rights of an unknown passenger in it.
    Don’t ever think that i hate you for your analysis of this ayat.
    I am not a perfect Muslim and i don’t think anyone is perfect, we are all humans.
    I just want to live in peace as all Muslims do; in fact, all sensible people do.
    Muslims are suffering all around the globe due to this hatred.
    I don’t blame you, it’s the media which is propagating this false image of Islam.
    You keep on doing your research. In sha Allah, one day you will find truth.

      • kaici

        you are inspired by evangelists like james arlandson a stupid american and bad writer ..reading you is just be convinced that you are paid by zionists or those evangelists ..you are wasting your time ….islam is the religion of the universe ..islam is the religion of peace love and tolerance …a great religion ..be muslim to get serenity and stop writing stupidities …i hope you are paid well enough by those evangelists ans zionists …but in vain
        tell them that our faith is strong
        keep on writing stupidities from your historical informations if you want ..islam will be your religion and Muhammed will be your prophet mbplee ….salam

      • mbplee

        kaici, you have no historical facts to support your arguments so like any typical Muslim you attack the messenger and smear him and his presentation and tell more lies like:

        .islam is the religion of the universe ..islam is the religion of peace love and tolerance …a great religion ..be muslim to get serenity and stop writing stupidities

        Which are all lies, and in contradiction with all the teachings and ideologies of Islam. But that is what Muslim have been indoctrinated with and that is what they believe in error.

        I have nothing to do with Zionism nor an Christian evangelist. But like all Muslims who cannot face the truth and are in perpetual denial of true facts of life as well as the plain fact of the Quran and the Ahadith, you have been misguided and misled in your perception of the teachings of the Quran. Wake up and face the truth and make a true introspection into the possible faults or errors of Islam and ask why is Islam so aggressive and destructive and hateful for the past 1400 years. Don’t be mesmerised by unscrupulous Imams who tell you lies about Islam.

        Regarding your dismissal of the credentials of James M. Arlandson, (also dismissed by Salimisslim), there are many other researchers and historians who have written about Muhammad in Medina:

        NEW LIGHT ON THE STORY OF BANU QURAYZA AND THE

        JEWS OF MEDINA

        By W. N. ARAFAT

        From Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain and Ireland,
        (1976), pp. 100-107.

        IT IS WELL KNOWN THAT at the advent of Islam there were three Jewish tribes who lived in Yathrib (later Medina), as well as other Jewish settlements further to the north, the most important of which were Khaybar and Fadak. It is also generally accepted that at first the Prophet Muhammad hoped that the Jews of Yathrib, as followers of a divine religion, would show understanding of the new monotheistic religion, Islam. However, as soon as these tribes realized that Islam was being firmly established and gaining power, they adopted an actively hostile attitude, and the final result of the struggle was the disappearance of these Jewish communities from Arabia proper.
        The biographers of the Prophet, followed by later historians, tell us that Banu Qaynuqa.,1 and later Banu al-Nadir,2 provoked the Muslims, were besieged, and in turn agreed to surrender and were allowed to depart, taking with them all their transportable possessions. Later on Khaybar3 and Fadak4 were evacuated. According to Ibn Ishaq in the Sira,5 the third of the Jewish tribes, Banu Qurayza, sided with the Qurashites and their allies, who made an unsuccessful attack on Medina in an attempt to destroy Islam. This, the most serious challenge to Islam, failed, and the Banu Qurayza were in turn besieged by the Prophet. Like Banu al-Nadir, in time they surrendered, but unlike the Banu al-Nadir, they were subjected to the arbitration of Sa’d b. Mu’adh, a member of the Aws tribe, allies of Qurayza. He ruled that the grown-up males should be put to death and the women and children subjected to slavery. Consequentiy, trenches were dug in the market-place in Medina, and the men of Qurayza were brought out in groups and their necks were struck.6 Estimates of those killed vary from 400 to 900.NEW LIGHT ON THE STORY OF BANU QURAYZA AND THE

        JEWS OF MEDINA

        By W. N. ARAFAT

        From Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain and Ireland,
        (1976), pp. 100-107.

        IT IS WELL KNOWN THAT at the advent of Islam there were three Jewish tribes who lived in Yathrib (later Medina), as well as other Jewish settlements further to the north, the most important of which were Khaybar and Fadak. It is also generally accepted that at first the Prophet Muhammad hoped that the Jews of Yathrib, as followers of a divine religion, would show understanding of the new monotheistic religion, Islam. However, as soon as these tribes realized that Islam was being firmly established and gaining power, they adopted an actively hostile attitude, and the final result of the struggle was the disappearance of these Jewish communities from Arabia proper.
        The biographers of the Prophet, followed by later historians, tell us that Banu Qaynuqa.,1 and later Banu al-Nadir,2 provoked the Muslims, were besieged, and in turn agreed to surrender and were allowed to depart, taking with them all their transportable possessions. Later on Khaybar3 and Fadak4 were evacuated. According to Ibn Ishaq in the Sira,5 the third of the Jewish tribes, Banu Qurayza, sided with the Qurashites and their allies, who made an unsuccessful attack on Medina in an attempt to destroy Islam. This, the most serious challenge to Islam, failed, and the Banu Qurayza were in turn besieged by the Prophet. Like Banu al-Nadir, in time they surrendered, but unlike the Banu al-Nadir, they were subjected to the arbitration of Sa’d b. Mu’adh, a member of the Aws tribe, allies of Qurayza. He ruled that the grown-up males should be put to death and the women and children subjected to slavery. Consequentiy, trenches were dug in the market-place in Medina, and the men of Qurayza were brought out in groups and their necks were struck.6 Estimates of those killed vary from 400 to 900.

        On examination, details of the story can he challenged. It can be demonstrated that the assertion that 600 or 800 or 9007 men of Banu Qurayza were put to death in cold blood can not be true; that it is a later invention; and that it has its source in Jewish traditions. Indeed the source of the details in earlier Jewish history can be pointed out with surprising accuracy.

        However, its authenticity depends upon who analyses the information. But that the subject matter is discussed is sufficient to cast a shadow on the authenticity of the Islamic versions.

        Additionally:

        Several accounts note Muhammad’s companions as executioners, Ali and Al-Zubayr in particular, and that each clan of the Aws was also charged with killing a group of Qurayza men.[17][40] Subhash Inamdar argues that this was done in order to avoid the risk of further conflicts between Muhammad and the Aws. According to Inamdar, Muhammad wanted to distance himself from the events and, had he been involved, would have risked alienating some of the Aws.[17] the Banu Aws were allied to the Banu Qurayza and Muhammad.

        Whether it was Muhammad or his companions who were the executioners, it was certainly with the authority of Muhammad that the execution took place.

    • mbplee

      umer younis, Not only have I read the Quran, the Ahadith, the biography of Muhammad in detail, but I have also investigated the roots of Islam, its origins and its historicity vis-a-vis Christianity, Judaism, and Ancient Egyptian and Greek religious origins. But your lack of knowledge of Islam shows your gullibility of hearsay of Islam and totally out of context.

      You claimed: “He (Muhammed) never killed a person, not even when there were thousands of Justifications.”

      Are you so ill-informed? Because……

      Over 800 surrendered men and boys (and at least one woman) from the Qurayza tribe were beheaded by the prophet of Islam in a bloodbath that is of acute embarrassment to today’s Muslim apologists. It is an episode that is not only completely at odds with the idea that Islam is a peaceful religion, but also the claim that it is the heir to Christianity, since even that religion’s most dedicated critics could hardly imagine Jesus and his disciples doing such a thing.

      It is only in modern times (as Islam finds itself having to compete with morally mature religions in open debate) that the story of the massacre has become controversial. Some Muslims deny the episode, largely on the basis of mere inconvenience. Others are unaware of it altogether. But, not only is the incident well documented in the Hadith and Sira (biography of Muhammad), there is even a brief reference to it in the Quran (verse 33:26).

      Since Islam makes no apologies, particularly for anything that Muhammad personally did, contemporary Muslims generally try to convince themselves that the victims of Qurayza deserved their fate. They must have turned on the Muslims in battle and inflicted many deaths, forcing Muhammad to yield to the wishes of his people and respond in kind.

      Unfortunately, the accounts of what happened, as related to early Muslim historians by eyewitnesses, do not support this myth. In fact, it was the Qurayza who were caught in an impossible situation at the time, between the Muslims and their Meccan adversaries.

      https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/muhammad/qurayza.aspx

      That should be sufficient to show you that I know of Muhammed’s killing and eradication of Jews that you have not been told of. Muhammed practiced genocide of the Jews.

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